Fw: Part 1 of detox series

[Guest guest]

Yes, from what I have read, the Champion is good, but it must use a 2 step process, of grinding and pressing, and I don't think it does both. The Norwalk is the best of the best, and "K & K" is another that is touted as being necessary. I've got to do more research on this myself, as I was leaning toward the Green Life or Green Power Juicer.

Patty

SO WHAT JUCIER IS THIS ? IS THE CHAMPION JUICER OK?

These enzymes are so important to the healing system that Max Gerson, a physician famous for his successful cancer therapy, found that patients using centrifugal-type vegetable juicers did not respond to the therapy unlike those who used a grinder and press. There are two factors to bear in mind here: centrifugal juicers tend to kill the enzymes and the juices are generally nutrient-poor, a good proportion being left in the moist pulp. The test of a "live" juice is how long it retains it's colour before it goes "brown". If you are going to seriously juice I would recommend a more expensive juicer that masticates and presses with a slow RPM (keeping enzymes intact and generating no heat) that guarantees to juice the more fibrous green vegetables and grasses.

[Guest guest]

Awesome article on juicing Patty, thanks a lot!

[Guest guest]

This is a repost. I thought it was a good time to do that!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " Patty " <faussettdp@...>

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Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 8:37 PM

Subject: Part 1 of detox series

http://www.getalife.on.net/

Vegetable juicing and detoxification

by

D.Th.D.

Vegetable juicing is making a comeback. When we look back at the early 20th

century naturopaths we find that juicing and diet was the mainstay of

treatment - in fact they said that unless you consumed at least 4 pints (2

litres) of juice daily then you could expect no long-term improvement. The

diet was referred to as the mucousless diet, a diet that would loosen

hardened deposits in the body, remove them to the outside restoring vitality

and the healing potential of the tissues - in modern-day terms detoxing.

That was, of course, in the days before nutritional supplements and

currently we find ourselves in the heyday of pill-popping. But is our health

improving? We spend $100s on nutritional aids then rush next door to the

supermarket to fill our shopping trolleys with every chemicalised,

processed, preserved type of dead food that makes life a convenience.

The truth is that nutritional deficiencies and toxicity go hand in hand. If

you treat deficiencies without addressing toxicity you make little headway

and likewise if you treat toxicity without addressing deficiencies then no

long-term benefit will apply.

Vegetable juicing does both simultaneously. That organic vegetables are rich

in nutrients goes without saying. But their ability to detoxify the body is

outstanding. Have you ever unblocked your drains with caustic soda? Those of

you who have will know the power of this compound, sodium hydroxide, in

dissolving grease to the satisfying glug of the drain as it breathes its

first gulp of air. Vegetable juices work in the same way. They break down to

potassium hydroxide, a more powerful cleanser than sodium hydroxide. As the

cells are bathed in this alkaline cleanser they take up the potassium and

release the acidity (toxicity) which can be safely disposed of by the lungs

and kidneys. Vegetable juicing is the only way to achieve this. Don't be

fooled into taking sodium preparations such as sodium bicarbonate, which

although an alkaline compound, the sodium will poison the cells and increase

acidity. Once the toxicity is removed the body is cleansed and the

self-healing process begins. You are truly pulling the weeds of disease up

by the roots not merely clipping at the heads.

What about the deficiencies you may ask? Will vegetable juices really be as

good as taking supplements? The answer is - better. You see it is not the

supply of nutrients that is the problem but rather, their placement. Take an

acid environment, for example, such as a cup of lemon juice and add some

milk. What happens - curds form or more precisely, the calcium is leeched

out of the milk and precipitates to form salts. Likewise, toxicity within

the body generates acidity and in this environment calcium cannot be used

and hardening occurs outside the skeleton; bones weaken and soft tissues

calcify. Putting more calcium into the system without reducing the acidity

will only serve to accelerate the problem. And it doesn't stop there. As the

problem deepens the muscles and nerves become affected and we have the onset

of asthma and later, when the brain becomes involved, ADHD.

We inherit these constitutions, consequently we can see disease moving

forward in leaps and bounds with each generation, sometimes within the same

generation as eczema gives rise to asthma or allergies and then

hyperactivity.

Vegetable juicing will establish an environment where nutrients can be used

by the body. The nutrients are rich in supply and taken directly to the

cells. Iron levels will normalise very quickly just on green juices alone.

Mothers are amazed when I show how just 100g of fresh spinach and 50g of

parsley, when juiced, will yield more iron than 300g of beef and more

calcium than 300g of milk. What's more - the juicing really works; you build

your blood and feed your tissues and naturally your energy rises.

In our enthusiasm over the nutrient value of organic vegetables and their

detoxifying capacity we mustn't forget the oxidising enzymes. Freshly

prepared juices are a rich source of live enzymes. These enzymes are not

only essential to the digestive process but they absorbed and recycled to

the digestive tract. On their journey they are able to scavenge debris and

effectively vacuum clean the blood of fungus, bacteria and undigested food

particles which may have escaped digestion. These enzymes are so important

to the healing system that Max Gerson, a physician famous for his successful

cancer therapy, found that patients using centrifugal-type vegetable juicers

did not respond to the therapy unlike those who used a grinder and press.

There are two factors to bear in mind here: centrifugal juicers tend to kill

the enzymes and the juices are generally nutrient-poor, a good proportion

being left in the moist pulp. The test of a " live " juice is how long it

retains it's colour before it goes " brown " . If you are going to seriously

juice I would recommend a more expensive juicer that masticates and presses

with a slow RPM (keeping enzymes intact and generating no heat) that

guarantees to juice the more fibrous green vegetables and grasses. You will

find that it will more than repay itself both in the quantity of juice

extracted (a third more in many cases) and in its mineral quality which can

nearly double that from the more traditional juicers.

I recommend starting at three juices a day - two apple and carrot and one

green juice. I mix equal quantities of vegetable to apple so for each 250ml

juice use 250g apple: 250g vegetable (carrot or a combination of greens). A

good combination of greens would include 1/4 green capsicum plus a selection

of 2 or 3 of the following: silver beet, parsley, wheat grass, red or green

lettuce (not iceberg), red cabbage, beet tops, watercress. I don't tend to

recommend beetroot as it is very strong and can act as an emetic. Be sure to

buy organic produce for juicing as you don't want a concentrate of a

cocktail of chemicals. Did you know that apples have usually been sprayed

around 22 times before they reach the shops and commercially grown carrots

are often used as a crop to " clean " the soil? Maybe this property is why

they are so effective in the detox process. Bottled juices won't do - they

are " dead " . You have to kill the enzymes in order to preserve juice whether

through pasteurisation (heat treatment) or common pickling devices such as

using whey which denatures the enzymes.

Start gently on 3 juices a day and build up to six. It's a good idea to buy

your vegetables in bulk to last the week. There are quite a few good organic

retailers who will deliver to your door and make life really simple for you.

On a weekly basis you will need to order around 10Kg of both apples and

carrots, 4 bunches of silver beet, 4 green capsicum, 1 bunch of parsley, 2

bunches of watercress, 1 bunch of beetroot and a red cabbage. The Peak Fresh

bags from any supermarket will prevent your greens from going slimy in the

'fridge.

The benefits are enormous. The green juices in particular will build your

blood, carry oxygen to the tissues and irrigate the system removing

stagnation. Do go slowly as your liver may need a little help in the detox

process. Watch out for next month's article to show you how you can

practically help a flagging liver.

has written a book " Get a Life: the detoxification diet

made easy! " ISBN 0-646-31829-2. Ask at your health store or contact the

author directly on 0414 702520. also has a practice in the Brisbane

area and holds regular workshops and lectures on the topic of

detoxification. She also runs courses for students and practitioners of

natural therapies. For details on any of the above call directly.

[Guest guest]

PAtty, great article! I loved it! Im going on a juice fast for 5 days, starting Monday. Cant wait nna

PS, when you go on a juice fast , so you take any supplements- if so, what:

>From: "*~Patty~*"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Fw: Part 1 of detox series >Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 14:02:39 -0700 > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.

This is the first part in a series of three on detoxing that is probably one

of the best articles I have read on the subject. The next 2 will follow. I

am getting geared up for a fast now....nna, you've inspired me to do

it! I need a good clean out!

> http://www.getalife.on.net/

> Vegetable juicing and detoxification

> by

> D.Th.D.

> Vegetable juicing is making a comeback. When we look back at the early

20th

> century naturopaths we find that juicing and diet was the mainstay of

> treatment - in fact they said that unless you consumed at least 4 pints (2

> litres) of juice daily then you could expect no long-term improvement. The

> diet was referred to as the mucousless diet, a diet that would loosen

> hardened deposits in the body, remove them to the outside restoring

vitality

> and the healing potential of the tissues - in modern-day terms detoxing.

>

> That was, of course, in the days before nutritional supplements and

> currently we find ourselves in the heyday of pill-popping. But is our

health

> improving? We spend $100s on nutritional aids then rush next door to the

> supermarket to fill our shopping trolleys with every chemicalised,

> processed, preserved type of dead food that makes life a convenience.

>

> The truth is that nutritional deficiencies and toxicity go hand in hand.

If

> you treat deficiencies without addressing toxicity you make little headway

> and likewise if you treat toxicity without addressing deficiencies then no

> long-term benefit will apply.

>

> Vegetable juicing does both simultaneously. That organic vegetables are

rich

> in nutrients goes without saying. But their ability to detoxify the body

is

> outstanding. Have you ever unblocked your drains with caustic soda? Those

of

> you who have will know the power of this compound, sodium hydroxide, in

> dissolving grease to the satisfying glug of the drain as it breathes its

> first gulp of air. Vegetable juices work in the same way. They break down

to

> potassium hydroxide, a more powerful cleanser than sodium hydroxide. As

the

> cells are bathed in this alkaline cleanser they take up the potassium and

> release the acidity (toxicity) which can be safely disposed of by the

lungs

> and kidneys. Vegetable juicing is the only way to achieve this. Don't be

> fooled into taking sodium preparations such as sodium bicarbonate, which

> although an alkaline compound, the sodium will poison the cells and

increase

> acidity. Once the toxicity is removed the body is cleansed and the

> self-healing process begins. You are truly pulling the weeds of disease up

> by the roots not merely clipping at the heads.

>

> What about the deficiencies you may ask? Will vegetable juices really be

as

> good as taking supplements? The answer is - better. You see it is not the

> supply of nutrients that is the problem but rather, their placement. Take

an

> acid environment, for example, such as a cup of lemon juice and add some

> milk. What happens - curds form or more precisely, the calcium is leeched

> out of the milk and precipitates to form salts. Likewise, toxicity within

> the body generates acidity and in this environment calcium cannot be used

> and hardening occurs outside the skeleton; bones weaken and soft tissues

> calcify. Putting more calcium into the system without reducing the acidity

> will only serve to accelerate the problem. And it doesn't stop there. As

the

> problem deepens the muscles and nerves become affected and we have the

onset

> of asthma and later, when the brain becomes involved, ADHD.

>

> We inherit these constitutions, consequently we can see disease moving

> forward in leaps and bounds with each generation, sometimes within the

same

> generation as eczema gives rise to asthma or allergies and then

> hyperactivity.

>

> Vegetable juicing will establish an environment where nutrients can be

used

> by the body. The nutrients are rich in supply and taken directly to the

> cells. Iron levels will normalise very quickly just on green juices alone.

> Mothers are amazed when I show how just 100g of fresh spinach and 50g of

> parsley, when juiced, will yield more iron than 300g of beef and more

> calcium than 300g of milk. What's more - the juicing really works; you

build

> your blood and feed your tissues and naturally your energy rises.

>

> In our enthusiasm over the nutrient value of organic vegetables and their

> detoxifying capacity we mustn't forget the oxidising enzymes. Freshly

> prepared juices are a rich source of live enzymes. These enzymes are not

> only essential to the digestive process but they absorbed and recycled to

> the digestive tract. On their journey they are able to scavenge debris and

> effectively vacuum clean the blood of fungus, bacteria and undigested food

> particles which may have escaped digestion. These enzymes are so important

> to the healing system that Max Gerson, a physician famous for his

successful

> cancer therapy, found that patients using centrifugal-type vegetable

juicers

> did not respond to the therapy unlike those who used a grinder and press.

> There are two factors to bear in mind here: centrifugal juicers tend to

kill

> the enzymes and the juices are generally nutrient-poor, a good proportion

> being left in the moist pulp. The test of a " live " juice is how long it

> retains it's colour before it goes " brown " . If you are going to seriously

> juice I would recommend a more expensive juicer that masticates and

presses

> with a slow RPM (keeping enzymes intact and generating no heat) that

> guarantees to juice the more fibrous green vegetables and grasses. You

will

> find that it will more than repay itself both in the quantity of juice

> extracted (a third more in many cases) and in its mineral quality which

can

> nearly double that from the more traditional juicers.

>

> I recommend starting at three juices a day - two apple and carrot and one

> green juice. I mix equal quantities of vegetable to apple so for each

250ml

> juice use 250g apple: 250g vegetable (carrot or a combination of greens).

A

> good combination of greens would include 1/4 green capsicum plus a

selection

> of 2 or 3 of the following: silver beet, parsley, wheat grass, red or

green

> lettuce (not iceberg), red cabbage, beet tops, watercress. I don't tend to

> recommend beetroot as it is very strong and can act as an emetic. Be sure

to

> buy organic produce for juicing as you don't want a concentrate of a

> cocktail of chemicals. Did you know that apples have usually been sprayed

> around 22 times before they reach the shops and commercially grown carrots

> are often used as a crop to " clean " the soil? Maybe this property is why

> they are so effective in the detox process. Bottled juices won't do - they

> are " dead " . You have to kill the enzymes in order to preserve juice

whether

> through pasteurisation (heat treatment) or common pickling devices such as

> using whey which denatures the enzymes.

>

> Start gently on 3 juices a day and build up to six. It's a good idea to

buy

> your vegetables in bulk to last the week. There are quite a few good

organic

> retailers who will deliver to your door and make life really simple for

you.

> On a weekly basis you will need to order around 10Kg of both apples and

> carrots, 4 bunches of silver beet, 4 green capsicum, 1 bunch of parsley, 2

> bunches of watercress, 1 bunch of beetroot and a red cabbage. The Peak

Fresh

> bags from any supermarket will prevent your greens from going slimy in the

> 'fridge.

>

> The benefits are enormous. The green juices in particular will build your

> blood, carry oxygen to the tissues and irrigate the system removing

> stagnation. Do go slowly as your liver may need a little help in the detox

> process. Watch out for next month's article to show you how you can

> practically help a flagging liver.

>

> has written a book " Get a Life: the detoxification diet

> made easy! " ISBN 0-646-31829-2. Ask at your health store or contact the

> author directly on 0414 702520. also has a practice in the

Brisbane

> area and holds regular workshops and lectures on the topic of

> detoxification. She also runs courses for students and practitioners of

> natural therapies. For details on any of the above call directly.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi nna,

I should be doing this with you! We had all th birthday goodies yesterday, but I think we are planning on going out to dinner, (his actual birthday is today) so I might have to wait. Anyway, to answer your question, I normally don't take any supplements on a total fast, but on a juice fast I think it would be okay, but I definitely wouldn't overdo it. I might take a multi, but generally skip the whole handful of pills.

Good luck and good health!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

PAtty, great article! I loved it! Im going on a juice fast for 5 days, starting Monday. Cant wait nna

PS, when you go on a juice fast , so you take any supplements- if so, what:

[Guest guest]

Patty, I did one fruit for bkfst and one veggie juice for lunch, and no supplemnts yet. Also my veggie is not the real green stuff- however I am feeling kinda yucky. I am planning to do an enema everynight to cleanse the liver. Do you often feel worse on the fasts? I am wondering if my body is trying to tell me to stop, or If I am feeling worse as I am cleansing, and bringing on maybe a type of herxing? What do ya think? nna

----- Original Message -----

From: *~Patty~*

Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Hi nna,

I should be doing this with you! We had all th birthday goodies yesterday, but I think we are planning on going out to dinner, (his actual birthday is today) so I might have to wait. Anyway, to answer your question, I normally don't take any supplements on a total fast, but on a juice fast I think it would be okay, but I definitely wouldn't overdo it. I might take a multi, but generally skip the whole handful of pills.

Good luck and good health!

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:29 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

PAtty, great article! I loved it! Im going on a juice fast for 5 days, starting Monday. Cant wait nna

PS, when you go on a juice fast , so you take any supplements- if so, what:

[Guest guest]

Yes, I definitely felt worse on fasts, especially the juice fasts with the veggie juices. My brain fog came back within the first day if I remember correctly. I struggled through about 5 days of juicing with that, and then I said forget this! It was too much. But that was with the green, green drinks--the apples with swiss chard, kale, mustard greens, and after 5 days of doing a juice every hour for 13 hours a day, my body was saying whoa! Too much Patty! Stop!

I would definitely suggest doing the coffee enemas, and I read somewhere that morning is best, but I've done them in the evening too. That's when my hubby does them. But we've noticed that doing them in the evening usually means interupted sleep with having to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom! I like my sleep! So I do them in the morning.

Give your body a chance to clean out on this fast, even through the herxing. If you are feeling worse, it most likely a sign that things are getting stirred up, and doing the coffee enemas are going to help get rid of alot of stuff, at least I felt it did that for me. When you feel like you are ready to quit, just bring back the foods very slowly. It is really hard to judge when you should quit...just listen to your body, recognizing that juicing will definitely bring on herx reactions...did you read part 3 of that article? The last part covers three categories of symptoms, and gives ideas on dealing with them. I'm glad you are doing this...you are most likely helping your body along even though you may feel kinda icky. Been there, done that!

Take care,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Patty, I did one fruit for bkfst and one veggie juice for lunch, and no supplemnts yet. Also my veggie is not the real green stuff- however I am feeling kinda yucky. I am planning to do an enema everynight to cleanse the liver. Do you often feel worse on the fasts? I am wondering if my body is trying to tell me to stop, or If I am feeling worse as I am cleansing, and bringing on maybe a type of herxing? What do ya think? nna

[Guest guest]

Patty ,as usual, you are great, Thanks for the info, need to look at part 3 again closely!nna

----- Original Message -----

From: *~Patty~*

Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 2:57 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Yes, I definitely felt worse on fasts, especially the juice fasts with the veggie juices. My brain fog came back within the first day if I remember correctly. I struggled through about 5 days of juicing with that, and then I said forget this! It was too much. But that was with the green, green drinks--the apples with swiss chard, kale, mustard greens, and after 5 days of doing a juice every hour for 13 hours a day, my body was saying whoa! Too much Patty! Stop!

I would definitely suggest doing the coffee enemas, and I read somewhere that morning is best, but I've done them in the evening too. That's when my hubby does them. But we've noticed that doing them in the evening usually means interupted sleep with having to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom! I like my sleep! So I do them in the morning.

Give your body a chance to clean out on this fast, even through the herxing. If you are feeling worse, it most likely a sign that things are getting stirred up, and doing the coffee enemas are going to help get rid of alot of stuff, at least I felt it did that for me. When you feel like you are ready to quit, just bring back the foods very slowly. It is really hard to judge when you should quit...just listen to your body, recognizing that juicing will definitely bring on herx reactions...did you read part 3 of that article? The last part covers three categories of symptoms, and gives ideas on dealing with them. I'm glad you are doing this...you are most likely helping your body along even though you may feel kinda icky. Been there, done that!

Take care,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Patty, I did one fruit for bkfst and one veggie juice for lunch, and no supplemnts yet. Also my veggie is not the real green stuff- however I am feeling kinda yucky. I am planning to do an enema everynight to cleanse the liver. Do you often feel worse on the fasts? I am wondering if my body is trying to tell me to stop, or If I am feeling worse as I am cleansing, and bringing on maybe a type of herxing? What do ya think? nna

[Guest guest]

Patty, I stayed on a vegtable juicing with fruits as well, for 3 days. I then started to eat the veggies and fruits raw for the 4th and almost the whole 5th day. It was funny, the juice was starting to get me sick , maybe stirring up some toxins, huh? I was thinking of you Patty, I got the Gerson therapy book, and am reading now after all you say about it Its realy very interesting. Pray for me, I am having some health issues right now, thats why I have been so quiet. I hope that the more I cleanse, the better my tomorrows will get nna

>From: "*~Patty~*"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series >Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:52:30 -0700 > >, >How is it going now? >I am going to start preparing for a fast today, by eating only raw fruits and veggies for two days and then I am going to fast for an indefinite period of time, for both spiritual and physical reasons. Just wondering how far you were able to go and if you felt your fast was beneficial. Let us know! >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series > > > Patty, I did one fruit for bkfst and one veggie juice for lunch, and no supplemnts yet. Also my veggie is not the real green stuff- however I am feeling kinda yucky. I am planning to do an enema everynight to cleanse the liver. Do you often feel worse on the fasts? I am wondering if my body is trying to tell me to stop, or If I am feeling worse as I am cleansing, and bringing on maybe a type of herxing? What do ya think? nna The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*

[Guest guest]

Oops, sorry I missed this one ! To answer your question, no, I have never been worried about becoming dependant upon enemas at all. It has not really ever been presented as a concern in my various readings on colon cleansing, and knowing that the doctor we've gone to here does them every day, I guess that makes me think if it is okay for him, it must be okay for us. Seriously, in all my readings about enemas, the dependence issue is never brought up, and I have been doing coffee enemas for almost 5 years now (not regularly, but certainly often enough), and I certainly have never HAD to do them. Even with my Hashimoto's I have never experienced constipation.

I don't know why Hashimoto's wouldn't be included in their list of illnesses Gerson therapy can help cure, but since it is not listed, I will just call them and discuss it with them. I've talked to them several times, and they are so nice. If you'd like to call them too, their number is 888-4-GERSON. It is too bad they've changed their website around. http://www.gerson.org/

They used to have a section where they listed all the diseases they've helped cure, with testimonies from people around the country that had that particular disease. The list of diseases they helped cure was very long. Unfortunately, like I said, they changed the site, and I can't remember if that was on there or not. I have no doubt they have experienced alot of pressure from certain groups who didn't want them to make these kinds of claims.

As for Martha, gosh, I don't know if she has MS or not.

Anyway, I know this whole thing with the numbness is scary and sometimes it is easy for faith to waiver, but remember , when it was night and he was in the boat? ( 14:25-31) Remember how frightened the disciples were and how asked the Lord to reveal himself by letting him walk to him on the water? And he did! There was only one thing did wrong--he let his fear take over him and he began to sink....he lost faith.

How precious to know that Jesus was right there to reach out and catch him...amd with tenderness he asked, "Why did you doubt?"

He's there for you, too , reaching out his hand, and gently asking "Why do you doubt?"

And you know....don't feel that you did this to yourself and that you don't deserve healing. In truth, none of us deserve anything that we receive from the Lord, because every one of us is a sinner, but it is only in His graciousness and mercy that He gives us anything at all. He didn't have to....He wants to! He desires to give blessings abundantly because He is full of love and compassion. But there is one important thing that I have learned in my walk with the Lord, and that is that the healing of our physical illness is not his priority for our life. Yes, He grieves with us, grieves for us, and wants to heal us, but his priority is that we are healed spiritually first and foremost. He would rather that our bodies decay and our souls be saved than our bodies be saved and our souls go to hell. He wants to be Lord of your life in all things, even through the trials of your healing now and for all eternity. And according to 1:2, we are to consider it pure joy when we go through various trials, so that we may be complete. (Definitely easier said than done.)

Whew! Sorry about that, I guess I can get carried away with this stuff! I know you know all this already. Have faith, he will be right where you need him, always.

Hugs,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

Patty, I did do a coffee enema every night after juicing. I have a question, were you ever worried that your body would become dependant on them? That is the only thing I get nervous about. I am seriously contemplating going on the gerson Therapy for a few months, I mean these numb left foot is killing me. Although,I cant realy say its MS, as mycoplasma and Lyme also creates neuropathy of the extremities, as well a unsteady gait.I hold hope in my heart, as so many implanted /explanted girls I have talked to, exhibit signs for years, and still its never MS. Must be infectious....Doesnt Martha have MS now?

Also, he lists alot of diseases that the therapy works for, and I have yet to find Hashimots?I try to place my fear in the Lords hands, and tell him that I have faith he will heal me, and I stay proactive everyday. I try so hard. So hard to see all the positive in all of this, but somedays I worry that I dont deserve that anyway, I did this to myself..

..I know its wrong to think that way, but its there...nna

[Guest guest]

I may be way off and sound like I have lived behind the moon for the last 20 years - but isn't MS caused by a virus and isn't there a test for it (fluid being taken from the spine)?My mother got MS 30 years ago and not much has been achieved in reseach in this matter since then.

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Patty, I did do a coffee enema every night after juicing. I have a question, were you ever worried that your body would become dependant on them? That is the only thing I get nervous about. I am seriously contemplating going on the gerson Therapy for a few months, I mean these numb left foot is killing me. Although,I cant realy say its MS, as mycoplasma and Lyme also creates neuropathy of the extremities, as well a unsteady gait.I hold hope in my heart, as so many implanted /explanted girls I have talked to, exhibit signs for years, and still its never MS. Must be infectious....Doesnt Martha have MS now?

Also, he lists alot of diseases that the therapy works for, and I have yet to find Hashimots?I try to place my fear in the Lords hands, and tell him that I have faith he will heal me, and I stay proactive everyday. I try so hard. So hard to see all the positive in all of this, but somedays I worry that I dont deserve that anyway, I did this to myself..

..I know its wrong to think that way, but its there...nna

>From: "*~Patty~*"

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:37:59 -0700

>

>,

>Don't get discouraged if your issues hang around for a month like mine just did! It seems that my healing journey was very up and down, stop and go, rollercoaster for sure, and then eventually everything seemed to be less severe, longer between flares, until finally I felt like I had a whole year that was pretty good. As you know, I don't have all the answers, but I guess none of us do, and we can just be thankful that at least we have proof that we are getting better and better. Just takes time and tenacity.

>

>Isn't that Gerson stuff interesting? I also read the book "Healing for the Hopeless" by his grandson, it was like a biography of Dr. Max Gerson. Incredible man.

>

>I don't understand why we get so sick feeling when we do the juicing, but I have corresponded with the Gerson clinic on a number of occasions about the Gerson therapy and how it works and one thing stuck in my mind--they said that those with MS symptoms take the longest to heal on the therapy, and they get worse before they get better, such that some of them even quit the therapy out of fear that it was making them worse. But they said they have seen healings in those that stick it out and get past the hard stage. It is not fun, that is for sure. I felt so sick when doing all the green juicing, I couldn't take it.

>

>Personally, I think if I ever do the Gerson therapy again I will take it slow and not do so much juicing of green stuff, but I will definitely keep up the coffee enemas. Are you doing those ? I have heard nothing but good about the coffee enemas, and in fact, one of the homeopathic doctors we go to, a well known man, told us he and his wife do a coffee enema every single morning, even when they take their annual cruise. They just order an extra pot of coffee!

>

>Take care, I do hope your healing crisis backs off soon. They can be tough!

>Hugs,

>Patty

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: JOSEPH PALANCA

>

> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:48 AM

> Subject: Re: Fw: Part 1 of detox series

>

>

> Patty, I stayed on a vegtable juicing with fruits as well, for 3 days. I then started to eat the veggies and fruits raw for the 4th and almost the whole 5th day. It was funny, the juice was starting to get me sick , maybe stirring up some toxins, huh? I was thinking of you Patty, I got the Gerson therapy book, and am reading now after all you say about it Its realy very interesting. Pray for me, I am having some health issues right now, thats why I have been so quiet. I hope that the more I cleanse, the better my tomorrows will get nna

>

>

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I wanted to repost these articles for our newest members, or to just bring

these concepts back into focus for all of us trying to heal. This article

is a three part series, and chock full of important concepts and detoxing

info. This 3 part series is probably one of the best I have read on

detoxing, and as you will see, has been inspired by Dr. Max Gerson's healing

protocol. (www.gerson.org)

> > http://www.getalife.on.net/

> > Vegetable juicing and detoxification

> > by

> > D.Th.D.

> > Vegetable juicing is making a comeback. When we look back at the early

> 20th

> > century naturopaths we find that juicing and diet was the mainstay of

> > treatment - in fact they said that unless you consumed at least 4 pints

(2

> > litres) of juice daily then you could expect no long-term improvement.

The

> > diet was referred to as the mucousless diet, a diet that would loosen

> > hardened deposits in the body, remove them to the outside restoring

> vitality

> > and the healing potential of the tissues - in modern-day terms detoxing.

> >

> > That was, of course, in the days before nutritional supplements and

> > currently we find ourselves in the heyday of pill-popping. But is our

> health

> > improving? We spend $100s on nutritional aids then rush next door to the

> > supermarket to fill our shopping trolleys with every chemicalised,

> > processed, preserved type of dead food that makes life a convenience.

> >

> > The truth is that nutritional deficiencies and toxicity go hand in hand.

> If

> > you treat deficiencies without addressing toxicity you make little

headway

> > and likewise if you treat toxicity without addressing deficiencies then

no

> > long-term benefit will apply.

> >

> > Vegetable juicing does both simultaneously. That organic vegetables are

> rich

> > in nutrients goes without saying. But their ability to detoxify the body

> is

> > outstanding. Have you ever unblocked your drains with caustic soda?

Those

> of

> > you who have will know the power of this compound, sodium hydroxide, in

> > dissolving grease to the satisfying glug of the drain as it breathes its

> > first gulp of air. Vegetable juices work in the same way. They break

down

> to

> > potassium hydroxide, a more powerful cleanser than sodium hydroxide. As

> the

> > cells are bathed in this alkaline cleanser they take up the potassium

and

> > release the acidity (toxicity) which can be safely disposed of by the

> lungs

> > and kidneys. Vegetable juicing is the only way to achieve this. Don't be

> > fooled into taking sodium preparations such as sodium bicarbonate, which

> > although an alkaline compound, the sodium will poison the cells and

> increase

> > acidity. Once the toxicity is removed the body is cleansed and the

> > self-healing process begins. You are truly pulling the weeds of disease

up

> > by the roots not merely clipping at the heads.

> >

> > What about the deficiencies you may ask? Will vegetable juices really be

> as

> > good as taking supplements? The answer is - better. You see it is not

the

> > supply of nutrients that is the problem but rather, their placement.

Take

> an

> > acid environment, for example, such as a cup of lemon juice and add some

> > milk. What happens - curds form or more precisely, the calcium is

leeched

> > out of the milk and precipitates to form salts. Likewise, toxicity

within

> > the body generates acidity and in this environment calcium cannot be

used

> > and hardening occurs outside the skeleton; bones weaken and soft tissues

> > calcify. Putting more calcium into the system without reducing the

acidity

> > will only serve to accelerate the problem. And it doesn't stop there. As

> the

> > problem deepens the muscles and nerves become affected and we have the

> onset

> > of asthma and later, when the brain becomes involved, ADHD.

> >

> > We inherit these constitutions, consequently we can see disease moving

> > forward in leaps and bounds with each generation, sometimes within the

> same

> > generation as eczema gives rise to asthma or allergies and then

> > hyperactivity.

> >

> > Vegetable juicing will establish an environment where nutrients can be

> used

> > by the body. The nutrients are rich in supply and taken directly to the

> > cells. Iron levels will normalise very quickly just on green juices

alone.

> > Mothers are amazed when I show how just 100g of fresh spinach and 50g of

> > parsley, when juiced, will yield more iron than 300g of beef and more

> > calcium than 300g of milk. What's more - the juicing really works; you

> build

> > your blood and feed your tissues and naturally your energy rises.

> >

> > In our enthusiasm over the nutrient value of organic vegetables and

their

> > detoxifying capacity we mustn't forget the oxidising enzymes. Freshly

> > prepared juices are a rich source of live enzymes. These enzymes are not

> > only essential to the digestive process but they absorbed and recycled

to

> > the digestive tract. On their journey they are able to scavenge debris

and

> > effectively vacuum clean the blood of fungus, bacteria and undigested

food

> > particles which may have escaped digestion. These enzymes are so

important

> > to the healing system that Max Gerson, a physician famous for his

> successful

> > cancer therapy, found that patients using centrifugal-type vegetable

> juicers

> > did not respond to the therapy unlike those who used a grinder and

press.

> > There are two factors to bear in mind here: centrifugal juicers tend to

> kill

> > the enzymes and the juices are generally nutrient-poor, a good

proportion

> > being left in the moist pulp. The test of a " live " juice is how long it

> > retains it's colour before it goes " brown " . If you are going to

seriously

> > juice I would recommend a more expensive juicer that masticates and

> presses

> > with a slow RPM (keeping enzymes intact and generating no heat) that

> > guarantees to juice the more fibrous green vegetables and grasses. You

> will

> > find that it will more than repay itself both in the quantity of juice

> > extracted (a third more in many cases) and in its mineral quality which

> can

> > nearly double that from the more traditional juicers.

> >

> > I recommend starting at three juices a day - two apple and carrot and

one

> > green juice. I mix equal quantities of vegetable to apple so for each

> 250ml

> > juice use 250g apple: 250g vegetable (carrot or a combination of

greens).

> A

> > good combination of greens would include 1/4 green capsicum plus a

> selection

> > of 2 or 3 of the following: silver beet, parsley, wheat grass, red or

> green

> > lettuce (not iceberg), red cabbage, beet tops, watercress. I don't tend

to

> > recommend beetroot as it is very strong and can act as an emetic. Be

sure

> to

> > buy organic produce for juicing as you don't want a concentrate of a

> > cocktail of chemicals. Did you know that apples have usually been

sprayed

> > around 22 times before they reach the shops and commercially grown

carrots

> > are often used as a crop to " clean " the soil? Maybe this property is why

> > they are so effective in the detox process. Bottled juices won't do -

they

> > are " dead " . You have to kill the enzymes in order to preserve juice

> whether

> > through pasteurisation (heat treatment) or common pickling devices such

as

> > using whey which denatures the enzymes.

> >

> > Start gently on 3 juices a day and build up to six. It's a good idea to

> buy

> > your vegetables in bulk to last the week. There are quite a few good

> organic

> > retailers who will deliver to your door and make life really simple for

> you.

> > On a weekly basis you will need to order around 10Kg of both apples and

> > carrots, 4 bunches of silver beet, 4 green capsicum, 1 bunch of parsley,

2

> > bunches of watercress, 1 bunch of beetroot and a red cabbage. The Peak

> Fresh

> > bags from any supermarket will prevent your greens from going slimy in

the

> > 'fridge.

> >

> > The benefits are enormous. The green juices in particular will build

your

> > blood, carry oxygen to the tissues and irrigate the system removing

> > stagnation. Do go slowly as your liver may need a little help in the

detox

> > process. Watch out for next month's article to show you how you can

> > practically help a flagging liver.

> >

> > has written a book " Get a Life: the detoxification

diet

> > made easy! " ISBN 0-646-31829-2. Ask at your health store or contact the

> > author directly on 0414 702520. also has a practice in the

> Brisbane

> > area and holds regular workshops and lectures on the topic of

> > detoxification. She also runs courses for students and practitioners of

> > natural therapies. For details on any of the above call

directly.

> >

> >

> >

>