Guest guest Posted February 21, 2003 Report Share Posted February 21, 2003 In a message dated 2/20/2003 10:27:58 AM Central Standard Time, writes: > Go outside with some water. Stand on the sidewalk and get your feet wet. > Step on the dry walk and look at your foot print.......... Wow..you MUST live in a warm climate! If I did that, my foot would be frozen to the ground in about 10 seconds! :-) Ana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 2/25/03 11:58:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ---->did he not want all that good fat to go to a *mere* pet? or was he > worried about trichinosis? i could be wrong, but my understanding is that > trichi is no longer very common in US pig farms, and that the commercial > farms *freeze* all the pork at the designated temp and time that are known > to kill trichi, prior to sending to market. > > it's possible my memory is not serving me !00% on this one though, as it's > been a few years since i read about this. Suze, I wonder if it matters anyway. I was reading a pamphlet at a health food store, and it said they did a study directly injecting animals or feeding them (I forget which) certain parasites and only the ones in a control group that were fed a diet deficient in certain nutrients contracted a parasitical infection. Seems to me if a pet is raised right from the beginning they'll have a superior immune system to resist infection. In the long run, eating raw meat probably *decreases* chance of bacterial/parasitical/etc infection in anyone, especially in a pet whose traditional diet includes *all* raw meat basically. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 I heard directly from a pig farmer when I bought from him that under no circumstances should raw scraps be given to your animals. ****************** I am thinking about ordering 1/2 pig. It's not something that i have done before and so i am hoping that i can get some input. As far as humans there is just me. My pets do get a home prepared raw diet and so scraps would go to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Sophia- >I heard directly from a pig farmer when I bought from him that under no >circumstances should raw scraps be given to your animals. Why? Are you familiar with BARF? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 >>>>>I heard directly from a pig farmer when I bought from him that under no circumstances should raw scraps be given to your animals. ---->did he not want all that good fat to go to a *mere* pet? or was he worried about trichinosis? i could be wrong, but my understanding is that trichi is no longer very common in US pig farms, and that the commercial farms *freeze* all the pork at the designated temp and time that are known to kill trichi, prior to sending to market. it's possible my memory is not serving me !00% on this one though, as it's been a few years since i read about this. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 I'm sure your right, Suze. I'm not a dog owner (yet) but when the time comes I do hope to raise a pup on all raw meat, bones, and lacto-fermented bits if I can afford it. Is trich only a problem in pork? Chris In a message dated 2/25/03 6:18:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > -------------> the problem is most US dogs are not any where near > *optimal* and are in pretty pitiful health, imo. they eat a doggy SAD and > die (increasingly at younger ages) of the same modern nutritional diseases > that we *humans* die of. and they not only have to deal with bad nutrition, > but many of them are literally drowned in vaccines YEARLY. > > so, maybe (and i'm not saying i agree with this) but in a theoretically > perfect world where all dogs would be borne of generations of healthy > raw-fed forebears, all of whom ate well balanced nutrient-dense diets, and > who are not products of humans genetic manipulation (for the beauty pageants > [showring], which seems to result in some bad health genes), then, just > maybe, they could withstand a bout with trichinosis (also depending on the > severity of the infection). but that is simply not the reality - most dogs > are not fed raw, nutrient-dense, well-balanced diets. dogs do get sick from > trich. so, i'd say it DOES matter, at least in the context of the world as > it is today. maybe at some future date when most dogs are truly healthy, not > over-vaccinated, not fed doggy SAD (worse than human SAD, imo) and not > genetically manipulated by humans for beauty pageants, then i might agree > with you that it might not matter. > ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Sounds as if the farmer has a vested interest in the pig food companies. Where did pigs get their cooked food before they were domesticated? Enjoy! ;-) Judith Alta -----Original Message----- >>>>>I heard directly from a pig farmer when I bought from him that under no circumstances should raw scraps be given to your animals. ---->did he not want all that good fat to go to a *mere* pet? or was he worried about trichinosis? i could be wrong, but my understanding is that trichi is no longer very common in US pig farms, and that the commercial farms *freeze* all the pork at the designated temp and time that are known to kill trichi, prior to sending to market. it's possible my memory is not serving me !00% on this one though, as it's been a few years since i read about this. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 In a message dated 2/25/03 6:58:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > hey, don't forget organ meats, when you get your dog. meat and bones ain't > enough. most folks add other stuff too, but since you don't have your dog > yet...i'll leave it at that. k, thanks ... guess i'll have to joine the barf list when the time comes... ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 Pat Colby's book, Natural Goat Care, does state that if you have the correct level of minerals in the soil and if you make sure the goats have enough copper in their diet in particular, they will not get parasites, worms, and other problems, even if they are eating on infected soil! That blew my mind at first, but now it makes alot of sense. Becky > Suze, > > I wonder if it matters anyway. I was reading a pamphlet at a health food > store, and it said they did a study directly injecting animals or feeding > them (I forget which) certain parasites and only the ones in a control group > that were fed a diet deficient in certain nutrients contracted a parasitical > infection. Seems to me if a pet is raised right from the beginning they'll > have a superior immune system to resist infection. In the long run, eating > raw meat probably *decreases* chance of bacterial/parasitical/etc infection > in anyone, especially in a pet whose traditional diet includes *all* raw meat > basically. > > Chris > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of > them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense > compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to > bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. > Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the > truth, and for those who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 > ---->did he not want all that good fat to go to a *mere* pet? or was he > worried about trichinosis? i could be wrong, but my understanding is that > trichi is no longer very common in US pig farms, and that the commercial > farms *freeze* all the pork at the designated temp and time that are known > to kill trichi, prior to sending to market. > > it's possible my memory is not serving me !00% on this one though, as it's > been a few years since i read about this. Suze, I wonder if it matters anyway. I was reading a pamphlet at a health food store, and it said they did a study directly injecting animals or feeding them (I forget which) certain parasites and only the ones in a control group that were fed a diet deficient in certain nutrients contracted a parasitical infection. Seems to me if a pet is raised right from the beginning they'll have a superior immune system to resist infection. In the long run, eating raw meat probably *decreases* chance of bacterial/parasitical/etc infection in anyone, especially in a pet whose traditional diet includes *all* raw meat basically. -------------> the problem is most US dogs are not any where near *optimal* and are in pretty pitiful health, imo. they eat a doggy SAD and die (increasingly at younger ages) of the same modern nutritional diseases that we *humans* die of. and they not only have to deal with bad nutrition, but many of them are literally drowned in vaccines YEARLY. so, maybe (and i'm not saying i agree with this) but in a theoretically perfect world where all dogs would be borne of generations of healthy raw-fed forebears, all of whom ate well balanced nutrient-dense diets, and who are not products of humans genetic manipulation (for the beauty pageants [showring], which seems to result in some bad health genes), then, just maybe, they could withstand a bout with trichinosis (also depending on the severity of the infection). but that is simply not the reality - most dogs are not fed raw, nutrient-dense, well-balanced diets. dogs do get sick from trich. so, i'd say it DOES matter, at least in the context of the world as it is today. maybe at some future date when most dogs are truly healthy, not over-vaccinated, not fed doggy SAD (worse than human SAD, imo) and not genetically manipulated by humans for beauty pageants, then i might agree with you that it might not matter. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2003 Report Share Posted February 25, 2003 >>>>I'm sure your right, Suze. I'm not a dog owner (yet) but when the time comes I do hope to raise a pup on all raw meat, bones, and lacto-fermented bits if I can afford it. Is trich only a problem in pork? ---->yes, afaik, and it's been discussed ad nauseum on the barf and dog nutrition lists ;-) hey, don't forget organ meats, when you get your dog. meat and bones ain't enough. most folks add other stuff too, but since you don't have your dog yet...i'll leave it at that. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/ mailto:s.fisher22@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Hi Jane, I use www.seoc.com.au in Sydney....ph., if you need anything not on their site. www.escentiallyoils.com Max is in Canberra, also contact him if you do not see what you are after. (((Hugs))) Halina in Australia (Melbourne) Halina's Heavenly Creations " Do what you can, for who you can, with what you have, and where you are. " www.freewebs.com/halinasheavenlycreations Writing notes...Newbie experiences of the essences and absolutes Hi all, I'm begun my process of going through and testing out different essences and absolutes. I'm a newbie of course, and something of a bull in a china shop...but that's how I've always been. I'm trying to note my own impressions of things first, then taking a look at the " expert " notes on describing the odor components. I was wondering if you all would be interested in reading my notes here, in this forum, or if it would just be annoying and redundant since so many of you have already sniffed these things for yourself long ago. I'm happy to share what I'm coming up with myself, but didn't know if it would be welcome here. I feel like a little child compared to the experiences of many of you. -- Regards, Teegarden Althaea Soaps and Herbals http://www.althaea.biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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