Re: Digest Number 1248

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Hi,

>1. Is rubbing alcohol a must. When I was using

>1/2inch insulin syringes for allergy shots I never did

>this and didn't get any infections. Is this something

>that only becomes necessary when one injects IM?

I have always heard it is, to decontaminate the skin. But waiting a minute,

or gently blowing on the area, dries the alcohol up so it doesn't sting.

>2i. Lidocaine. Does anyone do without, please speakup!

>2ii. How much lidocaine per shot?

I am only doing thiamine and B12 - was also on testosterone injections for a

while. No lidocaine for any of those, but then these don't hurt like mag.

>3. How are products from s Pharmacy in Toronto

>packaged? Are they in vacucontainer beakers withrubber stoppers?

>4. Would it be possible to transfere some of the

>solution into another vacucontainer and freeze it (to

>overcome any problems with 2 month shelf life)?

It should be OK if you can get the sterile rubber-stopper vials. One point

of caution is that contact with the rubber stopper can reduce potency in

some drugs. Also, if overfilled the vials will crack when frozen (expansion

of the water solution),

>5i. What angle for injecting IM with 1inch syringes,45degrees or right

>angle?

For a 1 " needle & IM shot I would go straight in. 45-degree angle would

reduce the penetration and not get into muscle.

5ii. What sites for 1inch, just thighs and butt?

Arms should be fine - maybe better depending on body shape.

>6. If you attach a new needle to inject do you need

>to " squirt " up a bit of the solution to fill theneedle?

The reason for this is to avoid an air bubble. This is most important in IV

injections, but most avoid bubbles because they can hurt even when IM. OTOH

having a drop of Mg solution on the tip of the needle would likely hurt

more, so leaving the needle empty might be the best option. I don't know of

any real damage that a few microliters of air IM would do.

Jerry

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HMMMMM....arthritis...irritibility...that explains it...LOL

Hey gang I just had to say something, of course I believe arthritis and being irritable can roam in the same body, it only makes sense not too mention explains me on some days...lol and hugs to all

Donna

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Donna

lolololol wondering if the boys with JRA also gets irrable lolololol

i first thought s was from PMS lolol

Robbin

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Robin, YES! Boys with JRA do get irritable! At least thats what I was

told, but not in as polite a manner, my mother would tell me I was a,

well any way my answer to the question is, most certainly YES!

not so cranky now.

Rusty Limbs

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Hi Robbin,

Josh is very even-tempered, usually cheerful and good natured. When he's not feeling good, though, he does get irritable sometimes. Like on those mornings when he needs to get up to be at school on time but his body doesn't want to cooperate right away, making him feel stiff and sore. I guess everybody has those moments and it can be hard to try to figure out why, exactly. Llike you said ... it could be because of the arthritis pain, hormonal changes like PMS, or a host of different things. That's why trying to keep the lines of communication open and flowing is so important. On high doses of prednisone even Josh couldn't figure out, sometimes, why he was feeling the way he was. I've heard others here describe it as being as if their child was possessed! He was moody, his emotions unpredictable. That was a tough time for all of us. When Kayla was recently put on a 4 day course of prednisone for asthma symptoms Josh was kidding with her in the car on the way home telling her now she might be crying one minute, laughing one minute, etc. ... just like the way he used to be. Fortunately that didn't happen. She didn't even show any signs of increased appetite, though he was reminding her of how much he used to eat when he was on high doses.

Hope Mellisa's doing well,

Georgina

Donnalolololol wondering if the boys with JRA also gets irrable lolololol i first thought s was from PMS lololRobbin

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Georgina..i had to reply not about your post in general but it being a

post..I have been sitting here at this computer trying to read all these

post I have in here..and i keep looking at the right hand corner and the

little box keeps popping up..saying you just received an email from

georgina..sorry..made me laugh..i see we are both in front of this

machine..take care..hug josh..

karen(tab16..poly)

From: " Georgina " <gmckin@...>

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Subject: Re: Digest Number 1248

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:49:51 -1000

Hi Robbin,

Josh is very even-tempered, usually cheerful and good natured. When he's not

feeling good, though, he does get irritable sometimes. Like on those

mornings when he needs to get up to be at school on time but his body

doesn't want to cooperate right away, making him feel stiff and sore. I

guess everybody has those moments and it can be hard to try to figure out

why, exactly. Llike you said ... it could be because of the arthritis pain,

hormonal changes like PMS, or a host of different things. That's why trying

to keep the lines of communication open and flowing is so important. On high

doses of prednisone even Josh couldn't figure out, sometimes, why he was

feeling the way he was. I've heard others here describe it as being as if

their child was possessed! He was moody, his emotions unpredictable. That

was a tough time for all of us. When Kayla was recently put on a 4 day

course of prednisone for asthma symptoms Josh was kidding with her in the

car on the way home telling her now she might be crying one minute, laughing

one minute, etc. ... just like the way he used to be. Fortunately that

didn't happen. She didn't even show any signs of increased appetite, though

he was reminding her of how much he used to eat when he was on high doses.

Hope Mellisa's doing well,

Georgina

Donna

lolololol wondering if the boys with JRA also gets irrable lolololol

i first thought s was from PMS lolol

Robbin

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Hi : )

Yup. I didn't have a chance to get online in a couple days and as is often the case, my little fingers have been very busy : ) Making haste, while the sun shines : ) I'm glad I made you smile, though : )

Aloha,

Georgina

Georgina..i had to reply not about your post in general but it being a post..I have been sitting here at this computer trying to read all these post I have in here..and i keep looking at the right hand corner and the little box keeps popping up..saying you just received an email from georgina..sorry..made me laugh..i see we are both in front of this machine..take care..hug josh..karen(tab16..poly)

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Hi ,

I'm glad you're not feeling quite so cranky these days : ) Humor helps, lots, to make almost any situation a little easier to deal with. As you well know.

Except (I'm thinking) when your ribs/the sternum area are hurting with what they call chosteochondritis (sp?). Uh oh. When Josh had that, and other JRA symptoms, and was feeling really poorly ... trying to cheer him up sometimes backfired. He'd be wanting to laugh at what his sister or I said or did to cheer him up but then he'd be crying, pleading with us to stop ... because it hurt too much to laugh! : ) Oh, those were the days. Very confusing sometimes. A challenge, for sure. But we still have some good memories even from those, the hardest times.

Take Care ,

Georgina

Robin, YES! Boys with JRA do get irritable! At least thats what I wastold, but not in as polite a manner, my mother would tell me I was a,well any way my answer to the question is, most certainly YES!not so cranky now. Rusty Limbs

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georgina..sun,..it is 8:53 pm here..lol...suppose to snow tomorrow..give me

hawii weather please..i hate snow..lol..

karen

From: " Georgina " <gmckin@...>

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Subject: Re: Digest Number 1248

Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:24:54 -1000

Hi : )

Yup. I didn't have a chance to get online in a couple days and as is often

the case, my little fingers have been very busy : ) Making haste, while the

sun shines : ) I'm glad I made you smile, though : )

Aloha,

Georgina

Georgina..i had to reply not about your post in general but it being a

post..I have been sitting here at this computer trying to read all these

post I have in here..and i keep looking at the right hand corner and the

little box keeps popping up..saying you just received an email from

georgina..sorry..made me laugh..i see we are both in front of this

machine..take care..hug josh..

karen(tab16..poly)

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Howdy' there Maui MaMa! hows' them thar lil uns!

I's sure likes ta know, who telin it around that I gta cense a homur!

The old riber cage hasn't cracked like chicken bones for awhile!

Well all from the Michi man fer now!

Rusty Limbs looking for an Oil can!

On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:33:45 -1000 "Georgina" <gmckin@...> writes:

Hi ,

I'm glad you're not feeling quite so cranky these days : ) Humor helps, lots, to make almost any situation a little easier to deal with. As you well know.

Except (I'm thinking) when your ribs/the sternum area are hurting with what they call chosteochondritis (sp?). Uh oh. When Josh had that, and other JRA symptoms, and was feeling really poorly ... trying to cheer him up sometimes backfired. He'd be wanting to laugh at what his sister or I said or did to cheer him up but then he'd be crying, pleading with us to stop ... because it hurt too much to laugh! : ) Oh, those were the days. Very confusing sometimes. A challenge, for sure. But we still have some good memories even from those, the hardest times.

Take Care ,

Georgina

Robin, YES! Boys with JRA do get irritable! At least thats what I wastold, but not in as polite a manner, my mother would tell me I was a,well any way my answer to the question is, most certainly YES!not so cranky now. Rusty Limbs

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>>

>Hi,

>

I order

>some relaxation tapes because I have had 4 miscarriages and felt I truly

>need to relax. They have been fantastic! I truly let things fall off my

>back

>more than ever before. If interested go to http://www.centerpointe.com

>

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Reimbursement rates are just crap. If we bill $1 we will probably get about

50 cents in payment from a private insurance company and about 25 cents

from government insurance. (Medicaid and Medicare.) It's not just like that

in the lab, it's like that all over the hospital. Whoever first invented

medical insurance really screwed us all because medical insurance and the

way it does/does not pay out on claims has a lot to do with why everything

in the medical world costs so damn much.

I'm not saying that I don't want to have medical insurance or that I think

that other people shouldn't have it. I'm just saying that setting up that

whole system where people don't pay for their own health care really,

really messed everything up. Very few doctors ever do pro bono work for

people who have no insurance and can't pay anymore. And doctors/hospitals

have to charge much more for their services because they know that the

reimbursement they receive is going to be so low.

Anyway, that's my take on the whole thing.......

Vali

> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 23:06:56 -0600

> From: betrue@...

>Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 1235-tysabri

>

>I wonder why hospitals have such a hard time making ends meet. They have a

>captive customer base!

>

>

> [low dose naltrexone] Re: Digest Number 1235-tysabri

>

>

> >

> > You're right, they probably did charge you for the wad of gauze they

> > used,

> > but probably not the paper tape. At a couple of the hospitals where I've

> > worked the patients' charts had a page with little boxes on it. This page

> > was always on the top of the chart, and every time a nurse or someone

> > opened up a package of any kind to take care of that patient, they would

> > take a sticker off of the package and put it in one of the little boxes on

> > that page so that the patient could be charged for every single thing that

> > was used in treating him/her. So if they opened up a package to get

> > sterile

> > gauze, there is a pretty good chance that they did charge you for it. But

> > I

> > think it would be hard to charge you for the tape because one roll of tape

> > can be used on hundreds of patients, so you can't charge just one patient

> > for it.

> >

> > Vali

> >

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Wow! No wonder everything is so expensive! I don't do much of the blood

drawing anymore, but if I had used a separate roll of tape for every

patient I drew when I was doing most of the actual draws, I would have

gone through a hundred rolls of tape in a day! No wonder health care

costs so much.

You are right, carrying a roll of tape from one patient to another can be

a source of infection, but we all have a roll of tape in our pockets

anyway. Carrying anything from one patient to another is a potential

source of infection. Carrying my phlebotomy tray from one room to

another. Carrying my lab coat from one room to another. Carrying my shoes

from one room to another. Carrying myself from one room to

another. Everything is a possible source of infection in a hospital, and

we are never going to be able to control them all, no matter how hard we

try. Well, not if we want to get any work done.

I did work in one hospital where each patient room had its own roll of

tape which we were supposed to use for that particular patient. (And one

would assume that it would get thrown out when that patient was

discharged, but I honestly do not know whether that is the case.) The

problem was that so often that roll of tape was gone from the room that

we all still carried our own roll of tape in our lab coat pockets.

Anyway, it's a nice idea, but I doubt that many hospitals actually do

things that way.

Vali

Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005

06:50:25 -0800

From: " "

<jatrac1@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Digest Number 1235-tysabri

Vali, at our local hospital that type of supply is discarded if any

remains.. All items used for a patient are billed to that patient,

including things such as the roll of tape. Carrying a roll from one

patient to another is a route for infection...

JT

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Digest Number

1235-tysabri

You're right, they probably did charge you for the wad of

gauze they used,

but probably not the paper tape. At a couple of the hospitals

where I've

worked the patients' charts had a page with little boxes on it.

This page

was always on the top of the chart, and every time a nurse or

someone

opened up a package of any kind to take care of that patient, they

would

take a sticker off of the package and put it in one of the little

boxes on

that page so that the patient could be charged for every single

thing that

was used in treating him/her. So if they opened up a package to

get sterile

gauze, there is a pretty good chance that they did charge you for

it. But I

think it would be hard to charge you for the tape because one roll

of tape

can be used on hundreds of patients, so you can't charge just one

patient

for it.

Vali

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Wow - someone else who thnks that insurance has changed the way things get

done! That includes lawsuits too. It is npt the kinder, gentler america

as in days gone by...Jan

[low dose naltrexone] Re: Digest Number 1235-tysabri

>>

>>

>> >

>> > You're right, they probably did charge you for the wad of gauze they

>> > used,

>> > but probably not the paper tape. At a couple of the hospitals where

>> > I've

>> > worked the patients' charts had a page with little boxes on it. This

>> > page

>> > was always on the top of the chart, and every time a nurse or someone

>> > opened up a package of any kind to take care of that patient, they

>> > would

>> > take a sticker off of the package and put it in one of the little boxes

>> > on

>> > that page so that the patient could be charged for every single thing

>> > that

>> > was used in treating him/her. So if they opened up a package to get

>> > sterile

>> > gauze, there is a pretty good chance that they did charge you for it.

>> > But

>> > I

>> > think it would be hard to charge you for the tape because one roll of

>> > tape

>> > can be used on hundreds of patients, so you can't charge just one

>> > patient

>> > for it.

>> >

>> > Vali

>> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree that there are a lot of problems in healthcare caused by insurance. There is another side to that coin though. My husband would not have been able to have any of the surgeries he has needed to stay alive without insurance. Nor would nearly everyone who needs serious medical care be able to obtain that care. Medical insurance itself is not a bad thing. Allowing medical insurers to dictate treatment is... Soaring medical costs related to ridiculous malpractice suits is a big contributor, and those suits make the legitimate pursuit of compensation in cases of malpractice harder to win because of the general bias against all such suits now. Greed on both sides has contributed to our medical cost issues.

I have not seen the payment percentages you quote occurring in our medical treatment. My husband is taking chemo, and Medicare is paying far more than 25 cents on the dollar. Very little of his total bill is left unpaid by Medicare, and our secondary insurance picks up nearly all of the remainder. I pay the rest. He is not billed at a different rate because he is on Medicare. A billing error demonstrated that for us.

JT

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Digest Number 1248

Reimbursement rates are just crap. If we bill $1 we will probably get about 50 cents in payment from a private insurance company and about 25 cents from government insurance. (Medicaid and Medicare.) It's not just like that in the lab, it's like that all over the hospital. Whoever first invented medical insurance really screwed us all because medical insurance and the way it does/does not pay out on claims has a lot to do with why everything in the medical world costs so damn much.