Re: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung

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Dr. Kolb,

I am sure that not all plastic surgeons are losing money. To think that they would still be putting in and taking out implants while losing money is preposterous. I think we can make such sweeping generalizations about others because in fact, almost all of them are making LOTS of money off of implants. Case in point--Dr. Zamboni, who Daryl and I just saw a couple months ago, was featured in a front page story in our local paper because he is the highest paid public servant in the state of Nevada. (He is chief of plastic surgery at UNLV). He makes $590,000 a year in salary from the state of Nevada. The gist of the article was that we were also supposed to feel admiration for him because in his private practice he makes over $1.3 million, but he gives that to the state so he can draw his $590,000 salary! I had to choke back the tears, let me tell ya. (NOT!)

Probably because you are in a class of your own, you are experiencing much more volatility due to economic forces beyond your control. Additionally, as you have often stated, you are the only plastic surgeon who is also a certified holistic doctor. You have taken up a cross that not many other plastic surgeons have. At least you have the guts to stand up and say the things that you do about the dangers of implants. Hardly anyone else will do that. So, maybe ultimately, the price to pay for living a principled life is that you have to work harder, earn less and be satisfied that you have served mankind unselfishly? I don't know, does that seem reasonable? Not to me, but then again, look at how America works. We pay guys millions of dollars to dribble a ball around a court or chase one around in the grass, while the real heroes of America, our soldiers, our firemen, our policemen barely make it. Doesn't make sense to me, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. There are lots of other medical researchers in your shoes. Dr. Max Gerson definitely comes to mind. They sacrificed their lives the way you are, so you are not alone.

I am sorry that you had to borrow money to stay open. We have 2 businesses ourselves, and I would hate to be in that position. I do feel for you. But for the other thousands of plastic surgeons out there, I think we can safely make some sweeping generalizations that they are making money, and breast implants are probably one of their biggest money makes. My mind won't be changed about that.

Wishing you the best.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:41 AM

Subject: RE: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung

Just to clear up any misunderstanding that this group may have about howmuch money we make as plastic surgeons, last year my practice lost$100,000 as no pays from the economic problems of 9/11 went from 20% to50%. So for the privledge of working 100 to 120 hours a week, I notonly made nothing, but had to borrow money to stay open. So far thisyear, we haven't made anything as well, although I've done a lot of freework including calling patients with implant problems from all over theworld to help them at no charge. Please gather more information priorto making sweeping generalizations about others. See the silicone andsaline newsletter at www.plastikos.com and let me know if I did thesefor the money. .

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http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Apr-20-Sun-2003/news/21122252.html

Here's that article on Dr. Zamboni

----- Original Message -----

From: ~*Patty*~

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung

Dr. Kolb,

I am sure that not all plastic surgeons are losing money. To think that they would still be putting in and taking out implants while losing money is preposterous. I think we can make such sweeping generalizations about others because in fact, almost all of them are making LOTS of money off of implants. Case in point--Dr. Zamboni, who Daryl and I just saw a couple months ago, was featured in a front page story in our local paper because he is the highest paid public servant in the state of Nevada. (He is chief of plastic surgery at UNLV). He makes $590,000 a year in salary from the state of Nevada. The gist of the article was that we were also supposed to feel admiration for him because in his private practice he makes over $1.3 million, but he gives that to the state so he can draw his $590,000 salary! I had to choke back the tears, let me tell ya. (NOT!)

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Well said Patty. I think the large % of Plastic surgeons are out for the money, but Dr Kolb is in a totally different position, being a holistic doctor, as well as a caring PS. I have been blessed to have a closer, more personal relationship with her, as my doctor and my friend. My husband agrees, she is a workhorse to get the knowledge out there on the dangers and the disease, on detox, and most importanatly healing, and is also considered a close friend of mine that truely cares.She truely loves her patients, its hard to describe. I know deep down inside of me, that she is there for me, no matter how many years down the road, with compassion, and advise on any problems I may have. I absolutly love her. And to me, anything negative said about her specifically (which I dont think were made here on this site recently at all!) , by people that dont have the opportunity of personally knowing her, professional or otherwise, are opinions that are completly unworthy of being aired. jULIE We

>From: "~*Patty*~"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung >Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:04:47 -0700 > >Dr. Kolb, >I am sure that not all plastic surgeons are losing money. To think that they would still be putting in and taking out implants while losing money is preposterous. I think we can make such sweeping generalizations about others because in fact, almost all of them are making LOTS of money off of implants. Case in point--Dr. Zamboni, who Daryl and I just saw a couple months ago, was featured in a front page story in our local paper because he is the highest paid public servant in the state of Nevada. (He is chief of plastic surgery at UNLV). He makes $590,000 a year in salary from the state of Nevada. The gist of the article was that we were also supposed to feel admiration for him because in his private practice he makes over $1.3 million, but he gives that to the state so he can draw his $590,000 salary! I had to choke back the tears, let me tell ya. (NOT!) > > Probably because you are in a class of your own, you are experiencing much more volatility due to economic forces beyond your control. Additionally, as you have often stated, you are the only plastic surgeon who is also a certified holistic doctor. You have taken up a cross that not many other plastic surgeons have. At least you have the guts to stand up and say the things that you do about the dangers of implants. Hardly anyone else will do that. So, maybe ultimately, the price to pay for living a principled life is that you have to work harder, earn less and be satisfied that you have served mankind unselfishly? I don't know, does that seem reasonable? Not to me, but then again, look at how America works. We pay guys millions of dollars to dribble a ball around a court or chase one around in the grass, while the real heroes of America, our soldiers, our firemen, our policemen barely make it. Doesn't make sense to me, but that is the way the cookie crumbles. There are lots of other medical researchers in your shoes. Dr. Max Gerson definitely comes to mind. They sacrificed their lives the way you are, so you are not alone. > >I am sorry that you had to borrow money to stay open. We have 2 businesses ourselves, and I would hate to be in that position. I do feel for you. But for the other thousands of plastic surgeons out there, I think we can safely make some sweeping generalizations that they are making money, and breast implants are probably one of their biggest money makes. My mind won't be changed about that. >Wishing you the best. >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dr.Kolb > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 6:41 AM > Subject: RE: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung > Just to clear up any misunderstanding that this group may have about how > much money we make as plastic surgeons, last year my practice lost > $100,000 as no pays from the economic problems of 9/11 went from 20% to > 50%. So for the privledge of working 100 to 120 hours a week, I not > only made nothing, but had to borrow money to stay open. So far this > year, we haven't made anything as well, although I've done a lot of free > work including calling patients with implant problems from all over the > world to help them at no charge. Please gather more information prior > to making sweeping generalizations about others. See the silicone and > saline newsletter at www.plastikos.com and let me know if I did these > for the money. . > > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.

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Dimonds, You won't get slack from me for this post, because I think you are right. I do think there are alot of greedy plastic surgeons out there, and I KNOW that hardly any doctors out there exist who are "for us". They are few and far between and suffer greatly for their views. I have heard so many doctors say they don't believe that implants cause disease, I am loathe to go to them anymore. Whenever I do visit a doctor who does not have a clue, I take information with me about the dangers associated with implants, and I offer to give them copies of the information if they want it. I am not overbearing with my message, just polite, but firm in my conviction that implants made me ill.

I found that the only way to take care of myself was to do the research myself, try the therapies myself, and get the supplements overseas or across borders myself. I primarily devote myself to alternative medicine. It is not covered by insurance for the most part, but I have found that naturopathic, alternative and holisitic medicine doctors are the most likely ones to be completely in agreement with our views about implants and disease. There may not be sure fire overnight cures for our symptoms, but there are definite advantages to detoxification, cleansing and rebuilding therapies, and that is how I got healed. I thank God he gave me guidance and brought me to this point.

You are right, dimonds, and I stand with you on your opinions about most doctors! They are too concerned about their own businesses, their own standing in their exclusive societies, and their ability to make a living to be concerned about victims like us, because we take them outside their box, way out of their comfort zone. We're pretty much on our own.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: dimonds68

Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:27 PM

Subject: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung

Carry I think it is safe to say in my own opinion. 'We' meaning sickend by implants DO NOT HAVE any Dr.s that are 'FOR US'/. It is all about the american dollar $$$$$$$$..it is about who is getting them rich whether it is taking them out or putting them in!!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ GREED! IT is an issue that will NEVER end and will be around long after we are not!! I am not a quitter, I am a fighter. BUT this is a fight that will never be won. AND to boot we have a disease that DOES NOT exsist in 75% of the Dr.s (even if we had CFS or FMS and were not sickened by implants we STILL have a disease that has no cure, minimal research, and no good treatments)..I hope I don't get slack for this post, but it is one woman's opinion(mine) and I believe it is TRUTH...dimonds68

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Awesome popst Patty. I think it is pretty safe to say most plastic

surgeons are making lots of money, so Dr Kolb is def not the majority

of them that is for sure. i agree that it is not nice to make

generalizations, however when it comes to plastic surgeons they

really do quite well. However I have to say that living here in Idaho

I have seen the flip side of the coin too. After coming from

California where the MD's made a pretty good amount of money I can

tell you that some of them here in Idaho are not doing quite so well,

and when you think about the work that some of them have to do, i

agree that they don't always make enough, esp in the fields that are

not so glamorous, such as oncology,trauma, neurology etc, these Dr's

are doing some pretty amazing things and not being paid overly huge

amounts, what about pediatricians? I can tell you here in Idaho they

only make about 140,000 a year, when compared to what a pro football

player makes that isn't much, and they are dealing with sick kids. So

in reality I have to admit that for going to school for 8 years or

more to help sick children you probably deserve to make some $$$ but

when you see these guys that are making millions living in Vegas

implanting women then it starts to make you kind of sick. I think

that is the point we were trying to make, and that is all. I wasnot

trying to pick on Dr Kolb at all, I admit we have had some

disagreements in the past but this time I was really not talking

specifically about her.

> http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Apr-20-Sun-

2003/news/21122252.html

>

> Here's that article on Dr. Zamboni

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ~*Patty*~

>

> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 9:04 AM

> Subject: Re: Re......to Carry and all /Dr. Haung

>

> Dr. Kolb,

> I am sure that not all plastic surgeons are losing money. To

think that they would still be putting in and taking out implants

while losing money is preposterous. I think we can make such

sweeping generalizations about others because in fact, almost all of

them are making LOTS of money off of implants. Case in point--Dr.

Zamboni, who Daryl and I just saw a couple months ago, was

featured in a front page story in our local paper because he is the

highest paid public servant in the state of Nevada. (He is chief of

plastic surgery at UNLV). He makes $590,000 a year in salary from

the state of Nevada. The gist of the article was that we were also

supposed to feel admiration for him because in his private practice

he makes over $1.3 million, but he gives that to the state so he can

draw his $590,000 salary! I had to choke back the tears, let me tell

ya. (NOT!)