Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

[Guest guest]

I would love to know what Ilenas experience has been with regard to

women that got sick how many had smooth and textured. To be honest if

I really believed that smooth were safer I probably would have gotten

my implants exchanged for smooth, I bet Patty would have too, I mean

none of us wanted to go back to being A cups, esp not when we still

had implants. I heard from la today and she is still sick 2

years later, many $$$ and natural therparies later and all she had

was smooth mentor implants, for only a month. I wonder why some get

so sick. To me if even one person gets sick that is too many and

really unacceptable.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ilena rose

> editor@a...

> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:12 AM

> Subject: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

>

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> http://www.amcostarica.com/tuesday.htm

>

> Thank you so much for exposing a too often occurance -- serious and

sometimes deadly infections with breast implants. Infections are but

one of many complications that frequently occur.

>

> I head an international support group for women harmed by breast

implants.

>

> I have watched in horror as the public relations machines of the

silicone manufacturers have exported not only these dangerous

products to Costa Rica, but also their disinformation. Last Summer,

La Nacion printed an article falsely claiming that " silicone is

inert " and underplaying the very real risks with breast implants of

all kinds.

>

> The photos showing the implants being " sterilized " was especially

disconcerting. The high heat can weaken the silicone shells and is

not recommended by the manufacturers.

>

> In my 8 years of working with thousands of women harmed by breast

implants, this woman's experience of a serious and life threatening

infection is duplicated worldwide, even by " board certifed plastic

surgeons " in the United States.

>

> For more information, please visit our website:

>

> http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

>

> Ilena Rosenthal

> San

> ilena2000@h...

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[Guest guest]

I would love to know what Ilenas experience has been with regard to

women that got sick how many had smooth and textured. To be honest if

I really believed that smooth were safer I probably would have gotten

my implants exchanged for smooth, I bet Patty would have too, I mean

none of us wanted to go back to being A cups, esp not when we still

had implants. I heard from la today and she is still sick 2

years later, many $$$ and natural therparies later and all she had

was smooth mentor implants, for only a month. I wonder why some get

so sick. To me if even one person gets sick that is too many and

really unacceptable.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: ilena rose

> editor@a...

> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:12 AM

> Subject: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

>

>

> http://www.amcostarica.com/tuesday.htm

>

> Thank you so much for exposing a too often occurance -- serious and

sometimes deadly infections with breast implants. Infections are but

one of many complications that frequently occur.

>

> I head an international support group for women harmed by breast

implants.

>

> I have watched in horror as the public relations machines of the

silicone manufacturers have exported not only these dangerous

products to Costa Rica, but also their disinformation. Last Summer,

La Nacion printed an article falsely claiming that " silicone is

inert " and underplaying the very real risks with breast implants of

all kinds.

>

> The photos showing the implants being " sterilized " was especially

disconcerting. The high heat can weaken the silicone shells and is

not recommended by the manufacturers.

>

> In my 8 years of working with thousands of women harmed by breast

implants, this woman's experience of a serious and life threatening

infection is duplicated worldwide, even by " board certifed plastic

surgeons " in the United States.

>

> For more information, please visit our website:

>

> http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org

>

> Ilena Rosenthal

> San

> ilena2000@h...

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I think a had them for 4 months only, that is so sad that she is still fighting with the symptoms of disease 2 years later. So unfair. And if I remember right, she has no abnormal blood work, right? I wonder what is going on with that girl?

----- Original Message -----

From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:37 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

I would love to know what Ilenas experience has been with regard to women that got sick how many had smooth and textured. To be honest if I really believed that smooth were safer I probably would have gotten my implants exchanged for smooth, I bet Patty would have too, I mean none of us wanted to go back to being A cups, esp not when we still had implants. I heard from la today and she is still sick 2 years later, many $$$ and natural therparies later and all she had was smooth mentor implants, for only a month. I wonder why some get so sick. To me if even one person gets sick that is too many and really unacceptable.

[Guest guest]

How about if thousands upon thousands are sick from them? Where do you draw the line to ban them?

And please tell us who is studying the problem to find out what the risk factors are and to identify the women who should not have implants. This should have been done long ago, and they should know this by now.

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From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:46 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

Not all women who are sick, are sick from their implants although it mayappear that they are related temporally. Some women with smoothimplants that I have seen are sick from Lyme's disease or anotherchronic fatique illness. This is one reason they do not get better. Itis not reasonable to ban all implants if one person gets sick from them.If this was the case, there would be no implants of any type includingheart valves and hip replacements. We have to study the problem andfind out what the risk factors are and try to identify the women whoshould not have implants or patients who should not have silicone in thecase of implants such as VP shunts. Medicine is about risks versusbenefits. Generalizations such as these are not applicable to medicineor no one would have implants or take medicine as all have side effectsin some people. .

[Guest guest]

I believe that if a person is unable to walk, or they have a clot in

an artery, a blood clot in the brain etc, and thier life depends on a

silicone joint, shunt etc, that is a whole completely different thing

than a set of water balloons to make ones boobs bigger. Despite my

very radical opinions on implants I never ever said I thought they

should be banned. QUITE CONTRARY. I believe that they should be made

available for deformities and cancer reconstructive patients because

even myself, if I ever had to lose a breast, I may consider implants,

I hope that I never ever have to make that decision but if I did I

would want the option. What I think should happen is A. if textured

implants are so damn dangerous they should be banned forever and

ever. B. Silicone gel should be banned as well. C. Since smooth ones

are ok, then they should be available on a limited basis to women who

have physical deformities and who have undergone several at legnth

consultations in which they are informed of the facts, the risks, the

true risks, told all about the women who have gotten sick and let

them make a truly informed choice. That is what I think. I realize

that this would def have a huge impact on the plastic surgery busines

but oh well, that is life. I see patients at work everyday who get

knees and hips and although I do not know if I would ever resort to

this I also see where some of them do really well and are glad they

took the risks because if they had not they would be crippled. So

there is a big difference between the this and breast implants, which

the majority of the time are not really needed, most of these women

who get implants don't even look bad, the 18 year olds that buy into

society's views of how a woman should look. That is sick. Any Dr who

feels good about implanting young women with perfect breasts is truly

a sick Dr who is only out for a buck.

Oops I made a generalization there, but hey it is the truth. I saw

this show and these two girls were probably 22 they had perfect

bodies by hollywood standards, they had had 2 breast jobs, nose jobs,

and were both going in to get their lips done and lipo, I could not

believe that this Dr sat there and told them they had fat that needed

to be sucked out, I was watching this thinking " what fat " they had

almost no fat. I would have told them to go to the gym for a few

weeks rather than to waste all this money and risk their health

having lipo when they were so beautiful already, this is the reality

of how plastic surgeons are. I think they should tell the patient the

truth, like " hey you can go to the gym and lose that tiny teeny

little pouch of fat that is really almost non existent " what is wrong

with working for it a little bit? That is what is wrong with the

world today, people just figure they can go get plastic surgery

instead of doing it the right way, the healthy way, now when it comes

to breasts i realize the gym won't help. BUT How many women get

implants that have large breasts? There are plenty, they don't

realize a lift would offer them a real long lasting solution that

does not require all this maintenance. But the ps's would much rather

put in a set of implants, requires less skill and time, and more

money for them in the years to come. What a raquet indeed.

If smooth implants are the answer i think most of us would have them

by now and not be here to begin with. Lets face it, for the majority

of us they are not a solution they are the problem. Dr Kolb says they

are safer, yet one of her patients who I happen to be good friends

with had them and she was extremely ill. They never found any other

thing wrong with her and she is much better after 3 years. I

seriously doubt that is coincidence. Chronic fatigue is not something

that you get from nothing, something brings it on, like implants?

What about all these girls who get implants and then less than a year

later are back wanting to go even bigger and bigger. Does any single

Dr stand up and tell them that they may be crazy, that they are

already huge and that they should wait. Hell no they don't because

that is more cash for them. I mean reality tells us that this is what

men like, what they want, that is what we see, look at the victoria

secret models, they are all huge, and implanted. Is this what we all

want for our daughters? I doubt it. Is this the kind of image we want

our young girls to emulate? It is sick and it is distored. Young men

grow into puberty today seeing all these implanted women and they

don't know they are fake, they think women really look like this. It

is sad what is happening to this country and the future our children

will be dealing with. And if we cannot blame the plastic surgeons for

some of it then who do we blame? They can stand their ground. I know

for a fact that Dr Feng implants still and it makes me pretty sick

too, but I do know that she won't put in 700 cc implants and if that

is what someone wants they would have to go to another PS. If all PS

at least had some morals they would not be there for these women to

put in these huge ugly boobs. It is not really what men want. It is

mostly the women who think they need to look like this but in reality

I think most men just want a normal woman to love them and bottom

line, if more plastic surgeons had morals and ethics then we would

not be looking like this. The fact is that it may be the women that

want to look like this, but they cannot do it on their own, it is the

surgeons who need to stand their ground.Someone needs to take a

stand, someone needs to say this, and some of us are outspoken and

passionate about how we feel. I think that this is a good thing. I

think that we need to have beliefs and morals. It is def something

that is lacking in society these days.

Anyhow that is my rant for the morning

> How about if thousands upon thousands are sick from them? Where do

you draw the line to ban them?

>

> And please tell us who is studying the problem to find out what the

risk factors are and to identify the women who should not have

implants. This should have been done long ago, and they should know

this by now.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dr.Kolb

>

> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:46 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant

article ...

>

>

> Not all women who are sick, are sick from their implants although

it may

> appear that they are related temporally. Some women with smooth

> implants that I have seen are sick from Lyme's disease or another

> chronic fatique illness. This is one reason they do not get

better. It

> is not reasonable to ban all implants if one person gets sick

from them.

> If this was the case, there would be no implants of any type

including

> heart valves and hip replacements. We have to study the problem

and

> find out what the risk factors are and try to identify the women

who

> should not have implants or patients who should not have silicone

in the

> case of implants such as VP shunts. Medicine is about risks

versus

> benefits. Generalizations such as these are not applicable to

medicine

> or no one would have implants or take medicine as all have side

effects

> in some people. .

[Guest guest]

Patty girl, no one is studying this crap. If there was this article

in the journal of medicine about textured implants being unsafe

someone needs to send it to all those ps's out there who are still

using them. Like my ps in Ca who ONLY uses textured implants because

he feels they give a better result and do not get cc as often. Why

are these Dr's not listening? because of the almighty $$$$.

even my own sister fell for this crap and ended up getting silicone

gel, these have supposedly been banned, yet she got them, first time

out and she has them. How can this be when this product is banned?

Simple, because these wonderful PS's with their wonderful morals bend

the rules everyday that is how! Is that ethical, is that moral? are

these the PS's we are supposed to respect and trust and put our lives

in their hands? How on earth can we respect them when they lie, cheat

and manipulate the system this way? My sister should not have been

allowed to get gel implants, but she is not the only one. There are

tons of girls on the pro implant sites that have silicone gel and got

them for the first time because of similiar lying cheating Dr's.

Geeze hard to feel much but contempt for them when they do this kind

of crap.

In , " ~*Patty*~ " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> How about if thousands upon thousands are sick from them? Where do

you draw the line to ban them?

>

> And please tell us who is studying the problem to find out what the

risk factors are and to identify the women who should not have

implants. This should have been done long ago, and they should know

this by now.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Dr.Kolb

>

> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 7:46 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant

article ...

>

>

> Not all women who are sick, are sick from their implants although

it may

> appear that they are related temporally. Some women with smooth

> implants that I have seen are sick from Lyme's disease or another

> chronic fatique illness. This is one reason they do not get

better. It

> is not reasonable to ban all implants if one person gets sick

from them.

> If this was the case, there would be no implants of any type

including

> heart valves and hip replacements. We have to study the problem

and

> find out what the risk factors are and try to identify the women

who

> should not have implants or patients who should not have silicone

in the

> case of implants such as VP shunts. Medicine is about risks

versus

> benefits. Generalizations such as these are not applicable to

medicine

> or no one would have implants or take medicine as all have side

effects

> in some people. .

[Guest guest]

Which silicone support group are you referring to?

By the way, Dr. Pierre Blais told me that he believes the women who have saline are SICKER than those who had silicone gel. I have nothing else to offer to back up that statement, only that he said it to me in a phone call. In your experience is that true? Maybe there are MORE silicone gel women sick, but the ones that get sick from saline are SICKER?

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:39 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

I am referring to both saline and silicone. In my experience many more women have become ill from silicone than from saline. I am referring to the HLA studies of Dr. Young and the recent studies of textured implants. There were also some other studies showing that women with positive cultures around their silicone implants also tended to develop systemic disease and improve with capsulectomy. Most of these studies are available for review in the archives of the silicone support group. Martha may be able to help you locate them if you would like to read them. .

[Guest guest]

Martha, please post them for us! Please don't keep us in suspense with all this info!

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:20 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Fw: Response to: Breast Implant article ...

Ask Martha to help you with retrieving articles out of the archieves of the former support groups. She sends them out even now to educate the women. .