Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ...

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Hi Kim,

Well, certainly the depression was an issue to contend with and I think all of us have had to deal with it, and are still dealing with it in some cases. However, I felt that my depression after explant was more related to my health status than how I looked, because I used enhancers that made me about the same size as with implants, so nobody could tell the difference, and I have been content with that. My depression seemed to lift at some point, and I think it was more of a chemical imbalance associated with my illness than a psychological depression. I have not had the depression return since about 1999 or 2000, at least not to the extent that it was in the beginning. I think alot of women have been actually very happy with their explanted breasts, having them look better than before. I've heard that comment often, coupled with the relief that they never have to worry about them again.

I had my implants a total of 9 months. I got sick at 8 months, made a quick and firm decision to get them out and got an appt a month later for explant, and I have not regretted that decision in the least.

The only thing I wish the researchers would figure out is how to make natural breasts grow larger safely, like with using cloned tissue, or as in our one members case, she grew from an A to a D on herbs, Wow, lucky her! If only they could make it foolproof so that everyone could grow bigger if they wanted to! I would never, ever again in my life consider putting in a foreign object made out of inorganic materials. Yeah, I wish I could have bigger boobs naturally, but I don't think they will ever come out with a totally safe implant. I think the best they can do is try to grow them naturally. By the way, there was a company doing just that--I have the article posted in our files section from 1999 called "Building a Better breast" or something like that. The company name was Reprogenesis. I have no idea what is going on with that now, but in light of the fact that the manufacturers keep pushing silicone gel implants back in our faces, there might be a showdown. I, for one, will be rooting for the bioengineering company.

My husband is fine with me just the way I am. I think he always had a little fear of the implants and in fact, when I first got sick, it was he who asked me, Do you think it could be the implants? I totally blew him off, and was like, No Way! It's not the implants! Well, he was right, but I think I had him convinced it wasn't the implants, and so he really didn't want me to get rid of them too quickly. Ha, we reversed roles then, after I found all the information out there about what the implants were doing to other women--they all sounded like me, and I got really frightened. Yeah, he enjoyed me having bigger boobs, but he is a very loving husband, totally devoted, and he loves me just as much as he did before, if not more, and our sex life is very satisfying for both of us. You see, it is NOT about implants or boobs, and I have been blessed with a man who knows and understands that. I hope all of you will be also blessed in this way!

Patty

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From: kim przybylski

Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:10 AM

Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ...

I know. I am depressed with them in as for some thereasonsI stated below, but I wounder how depressed Iwill be without them. How long were yours in beforeany problem. Do you wish they would come out with abrand new safe one? Also If you dont mind, what doesyour husband think without them, and how did he feelwith you with them?

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Patty, don't the natural, herbal supplements for breast enhancement only work for women who have not gone through menopause or had a hysterectomy? I read that somewhere...It would be soooo great if it worked for all women. A 23 year old "girl" in my office used the Boussant and hers did grow two full sizes, but when she stopped taking them they got a little smaller...and her periods became very heavy. I guess if we want any enhancement we can wait for a totally safe alternative or take the good with the bad.(wth the natural enhancers.)

>From: "~*Patty*~"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:09:33 -0700 > >Hi Kim, >Well, certainly the depression was an issue to contend with and I think all of us have had to deal with it, and are still dealing with it in some cases. However, I felt that my depression after explant was more related to my health status than how I looked, because I used enhancers that made me about the same size as with implants, so nobody could tell the difference, and I have been content with that. My depression seemed to lift at some point, and I think it was more of a chemical imbalance associated with my illness than a psychological depression. I have not had the depression return since about 1999 or 2000, at least not to the extent that it was in the beginning. I think alot of women have been actually very happy with their explanted breasts, having them look better than before. I've heard that comment often, coupled with the relief that they never have to worry about them again. > >I had my implants a total of 9 months. I got sick at 8 months, made a quick and firm decision to get them out and got an appt a month later for explant, and I have not regretted that decision in the least. > >The only thing I wish the researchers would figure out is how to make natural breasts grow larger safely, like with using cloned tissue, or as in our one members case, she grew from an A to a D on herbs, Wow, lucky her! If only they could make it foolproof so that everyone could grow bigger if they wanted to! I would never, ever again in my life consider putting in a foreign object made out of inorganic materials. Yeah, I wish I could have bigger boobs naturally, but I don't think they will ever come out with a totally safe implant. I think the best they can do is try to grow them naturally. By the way, there was a company doing just that--I have the article posted in our files section from 1999 called "Building a Better breast" or something like that. The company name was Reprogenesis. I have no idea what is going on with that now, but in light of the fact that the manufacturers keep pushing silicone gel implants back in our faces, there might be a showdown. I, for one, will be rooting for the bioengineering company. > >My husband is fine with me just the way I am. I think he always had a little fear of the implants and in fact, when I first got sick, it was he who asked me, Do you think it could be the implants? I totally blew him off, and was like, No Way! It's not the implants! Well, he was right, but I think I had him convinced it wasn't the implants, and so he really didn't want me to get rid of them too quickly. Ha, we reversed roles then, after I found all the information out there about what the implants were doing to other women--they all sounded like me, and I got really frightened. Yeah, he enjoyed me having bigger boobs, but he is a very loving husband, totally devoted, and he loves me just as much as he did before, if not more, and our sex life is very satisfying for both of us. You see, it is NOT about implants or boobs, and I have been blessed with a man who knows and understands that. I hope all of you will be also blessed in this way! >Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kim przybylski > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... > > > I know. I am depressed with them in as for some the > reasonsI stated below, but I wounder how depressed I > will be without them. How long were yours in before > any problem. Do you wish they would come out with a > brand new safe one? Also If you dont mind, what does > your husband think without them, and how did he feel > with you with them? > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8.

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Keeping the implants is probably not going to help your health issues

and I really am not sure what type of alternative treatment you are

seeking but I have yet to know of anything that helps once you are

sick from implants other than removal. There are plenty of other Dr's

out there if you have issues with one specific Dr.

Good luck

In , " Vickie "

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She is the only doctor close to me that does explants and considering some of the things "NOT" said here about her or other docs, I dont know that I want to risk the surgery. My implants have been in for years and I know I will need another lift but I will be right back where I started with the shape being awful. I called Dr. Fengs office and they want a large deposit non refundable, to do the surgery. I dont like the sound of that either. There are a lot of great alternative docs out there and I've found one that has a detox program for silicone toxicity, he does recommend removal as well, but I'm willing to try anything at this point so I wont be disfigured. I've had them in for six years and just started getting more and more tired, to the point of lazy. I wonder sometimes if it is the implants or just age. Turning 40 in a month. Most of you seem to have gotten ill right away, is that correct?

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>Reply- > >Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:05:05 -0000 > >Keeping the implants is probably not going to help your health issues >and I really am not sure what type of alternative treatment you are >seeking but I have yet to know of anything that helps once you are >sick from implants other than removal. There are plenty of other Dr's >out there if you have issues with one specific Dr. > >Good luck > > > > > > >In , "Vickie " > wrote: > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

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Hi Kim,

I went from an A to a C cup and I look fine now. I had my implants in for 8 years and didn't have a lift when they were removed either. Patty has posted my pictures on the site. They are under "Crystal".

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Vickie

I am not sure what your trying to say about this Dr but regardless of

what you think or say about Dr Feng I know for a fact of at least 25

women and maybe more who have gone to her and have been very pleased

with the results, esp if they had a lift, she does awesome work. The

non refundable deposit is really pretty standard when it comes to

most cosmetic surgery procedures, I know that when I got my implants

in it was the same way. I don't think being 40 is a reason to be

tired all the time. It is your body though and you must decide what

to do with it. If you go to explantation.com you can see for yourself

how many new surgeries Dr Feng is doing this week, month etc. they

have a calendar that they keep and there is always someone having an

explant there. In fact many girls on that site coordinate their

surgeries so that they can stay together and help eachother out. Alot

of them even meet there. I know that Flora came all the way from

Europe to have her explant with Dr Feng, that is really impressive to

me. Her credentials are impressive as well, she studied at Stanford

and Harvard! Anyhow, if your worried about deformity etc, she is

really amazing at making things look good. I can hardly find my

incisions at all. I may not have much left but that is ok, I am small

and always was small. As far as any other Dr there are others, and

others whom ladies on this site have used as well, I will only

promote my own Dr as I cannot speak for others. There are others on

the list and others over at explantation.com that other women have

used and are happy with. To answer your question about most of us

getting sick early on, that is def a big NO. I did and Patty did, but

others like Daryl took 10 years, and I believe took 7 years.

This disease has no rhyme or reason to it, esp in regard to how it

hits, or how long it takes. Who knows why, some of us are more

sensitive to it, and maybe it has to do with type of implant or if

they were infected to beging with or if that process was more of a

slow one. There are so many variables. My post to you earlier was

merely saying that if it is your implants, most likely all the

natural treatments and other remedies will not work until the

implants are out. If it is something else then maybe you will get

better with whatever treatement or therapy you are trying. It is

almost impossible to predict. I only know that 40 is not exactly old

and you should not feel bad just from age itself. If it is your

implatns or not that is totally something you will need to figure out

on your own. I think that our intuition is probably the best

indicator we have other than our symptoms. I think most of us have

had the feeling that something was not right with our implants. I

know it was like that for me.

Anyhow, good luck to you, I hope you find the answers you are looking

for.

In , " Vickie "

<vickiemsmith17@h...> wrote:

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[Guest guest]

Vickie, no not correct...there are quite a few ladies here that took as long as 8 and 11 years to get sick with saline implants. If you are getting more and more tired, it sounds like it is from the implants and not age, 40 years old is still young and the idea that everyone gets tired when they hit 40 is bologna to me--I have more energy now that they are gone than I did when I was in my late 30's with implants--I'm 43 now. I think alot of women are sick from their implants and don't know it because they think they are just "aging." With all the reading and things I have learned about alternative medicine and natural healing, sorry, I just don't buy that. Yeah, maybe if you were 60, but 40? I can respect your opinion, but I am just saying I think it is the implants and you can try all you want to do the alternative stuff without removing them, but I think you will be spinning your wheels. Dr. Kolb will work with you on that, though, as she seems to think it will work.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Vickie

Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ...

She is the only doctor close to me that does explants and considering some of the things "NOT" said here about her or other docs, I dont know that I want to risk the surgery. My implants have been in for years and I know I will need another lift but I will be right back where I started with the shape being awful. I called Dr. Fengs office and they want a large deposit non refundable, to do the surgery. I dont like the sound of that either. There are a lot of great alternative docs out there and I've found one that has a detox program for silicone toxicity, he does recommend removal as well, but I'm willing to try anything at this point so I wont be disfigured. I've had them in for six years and just started getting more and more tired, to the point of lazy. I wonder sometimes if it is the implants or just age. Turning 40 in a month. Most of you seem to have gotten ill right away, is that correct?

[Guest guest]

Kim, I always liked the way they looked, but the way they felt? Yuck! I too like PAtty had a hard time laying on my stomach, and when I worked out I felt like I had 20 pound sand bags in my chest, weighting me down, so I would wear two sport bras, and I went up from a b cup to a d, so they werent that big . And I always felt like when I raised my arms, they pulled, and when I waitressed they were bothersome, as I had alot of overhead lifting, and they way they would move, and pull drove me up a wall! I also hated they way they felt when I was intimate, felt like if my husband was handling them, even super gently, they would break or something. I am glad to sleep on my stomach again, glad I can do breast exams the right way (as I would do them so delicatly) and guess what? I only wear one sport bra now when I work out! And my hubby loves these more. He says they feel perfect and soft, the way they are sopossed to be. (And i remember when I layed on my side, the seemed to get stuck, like in a muscle contraction ouch)

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Kim, my husband loves them either way, but says he realy does like the soft feel now. Look at my pics on www.plastikos.com under procedure pics, I am the one with explant and lift, I think they look lovely! Better! I would have never dreamed, I'd end up ok. I think its important to stay positive, I ended up larger than I thought I'd be.And am very pleased with the results. And some girls, probably the skinner ones- end up a little smaller like , and look wonderful! Very feminine! She turned out more beautiful than I think she looked before with implants(No offense , I think I do too) It all depends on size, your weight, and fat disposition! I think of it like this now, unless he's a porn pervert, most men like all breasts in all shapes, and in all colors! Your hubby should like them anyway they are-they're breasts!

>From: "~*Patty*~"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:09:33 -0700 > >Hi Kim, >Well, certainly the depression was an issue to contend with and I think all of us have had to deal with it, and are still dealing with it in some cases. However, I felt that my depression after explant was more related to my health status than how I looked, because I used enhancers that made me about the same size as with implants, so nobody could tell the difference, and I have been content with that. My depression seemed to lift at some point, and I think it was more of a chemical imbalance associated with my illness than a psychological depression. I have not had the depression return since about 1999 or 2000, at least not to the extent that it was in the beginning. I think alot of women have been actually very happy with their explanted breasts, having them look better than before. I've heard that comment often, coupled with the relief that they never have to worry about them again. > >I had my implants a total of 9 months. I got sick at 8 months, made a quick and firm decision to get them out and got an appt a month later for explant, and I have not regretted that decision in the least. > >The only thing I wish the researchers would figure out is how to make natural breasts grow larger safely, like with using cloned tissue, or as in our one members case, she grew from an A to a D on herbs, Wow, lucky her! If only they could make it foolproof so that everyone could grow bigger if they wanted to! I would never, ever again in my life consider putting in a foreign object made out of inorganic materials. Yeah, I wish I could have bigger boobs naturally, but I don't think they will ever come out with a totally safe implant. I think the best they can do is try to grow them naturally. By the way, there was a company doing just that--I have the article posted in our files section from 1999 called "Building a Better breast" or something like that. The company name was Reprogenesis. I have no idea what is going on with that now, but in light of the fact that the manufacturers keep pushing silicone gel implants back in our faces, there might be a showdown. I, for one, will be rooting for the bioengineering company. > >My husband is fine with me just the way I am. I think he always had a little fear of the implants and in fact, when I first got sick, it was he who asked me, Do you think it could be the implants? I totally blew him off, and was like, No Way! It's not the implants! Well, he was right, but I think I had him convinced it wasn't the implants, and so he really didn't want me to get rid of them too quickly. Ha, we reversed roles then, after I found all the information out there about what the implants were doing to other women--they all sounded like me, and I got really frightened. Yeah, he enjoyed me having bigger boobs, but he is a very loving husband, totally devoted, and he loves me just as much as he did before, if not more, and our sex life is very satisfying for both of us. You see, it is NOT about implants or boobs, and I have been blessed with a man who knows and understands that. I hope all of you will be also blessed in this way! >Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kim przybylski > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... > > > I know. I am depressed with them in as for some the > reasonsI stated below, but I wounder how depressed I > will be without them. How long were yours in before > any problem. Do you wish they would come out with a > brand new safe one? Also If you dont mind, what does > your husband think without them, and how did he feel > with you with them? > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*

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Vickie, I just wanted to say that I am young, only 28, and about two years ago, my implants just started to affect me in the 6 th year of having them.And when they did, it was full blown! I had tested positive and showed all symptoms for Rhuematoids Arthrits, Hashimots, and had a severe Bells palsy attack.At 26 that was abnormal! Esp for a healthy young woman that has stayed in shape and work out every day, and ate great for the last 10 years or so! I looked like the ideal picture of health!

Now 8 months post explant, I am so gald to have them out, am improving dramatically, and stunning reg docs, as my blood work, and antibodies are remarkably improving at fast rate since explant. I feel like a new person! And I look pretty good too. It was never aging, or me, it was the grossly contaminated infected saline implants that I had, causing my body to be full of infections, triggering multiple auto immune illnesses, and that took almost 7 hour surgery to scrape out of my body.Iam still treating the dangerous infections, like mycoplasa that they left behing. Aging? Please....those things were time bombs.

>From: "~*Patty*~"

>Reply- >

>Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... >Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:05:36 -0700 > >Vickie, no not correct...there are quite a few ladies here that took as long as 8 and 11 years to get sick with saline implants. If you are getting more and more tired, it sounds like it is from the implants and not age, 40 years old is still young and the idea that everyone gets tired when they hit 40 is bologna to me--I have more energy now that they are gone than I did when I was in my late 30's with implants--I'm 43 now. I think alot of women are sick from their implants and don't know it because they think they are just "aging." With all the reading and things I have learned about alternative medicine and natural healing, sorry, I just don't buy that. Yeah, maybe if you were 60, but 40? I can respect your opinion, but I am just saying I think it is the implants and you can try all you want to do the alternative stuff without removing them, but I think you will be spinning your wheels. Dr. Kolb will work with you on that, though, as she seems to think it will work. >Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vickie > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 2:40 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Fw: Saline implants being advertised in the news ... > > > She is the only doctor close to me that does explants and considering some of the things "NOT" said here about her or other docs, I dont know that I want to risk the surgery. My implants have been in for years and I know I will need another lift but I will be right back where I started with the shape being awful. I called Dr. Fengs office and they want a large deposit non refundable, to do the surgery. I dont like the sound of that either. There are a lot of great alternative docs out there and I've found one that has a detox program for silicone toxicity, he does recommend removal as well, but I'm willing to try anything at this point so I wont be disfigured. I've had them in for six years and just started getting more and more tired, to the point of lazy. I wonder sometimes if it is the implants or just age. Turning 40 in a month. Most of you seem to have gotten ill right away, is that correct? > > MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.