Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 In a message dated 7/6/00 11:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Lumnisk8@... writes: << In the last year,I have had NAET treatments for dairy, mercury, nickel, aluminum, silver, copper, chromium, magnesium, tin, (one other metal which I don't recall at the moment), MMR, chlorine, fluoride, my own blood, a hormone (can't remember if she decided to do estrogen or progesterone first), and will do several more. >> What did this involve? I would love to hear of your experiences, feelings and impressions of this treatment. I noted in Andy's book, that he acknowledged an Ellen Cutler for this type of therapy, but did not develop it. I did visit the NAET site briefly, but did not develop this line of approach (yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 << I noted in Andy's book, that he acknowledged an Ellen Cutler for this type of therapy, but did not develop it. >> I wasn't very knowledgeable at the time but did know a lot of people who had great results with NAET. I have since tried it myself and it has worked very well for me. Ellen Cutler is no relation to me - at least that I know of, we have some family skeletons in the closet nobody ever really explained before they passed away ;-) Caveats on NAET: You need to go to someone who uses acupuncture needles on the 'gate points' rather than just rubbing them. If they use acupressure you might lose the treatments and be even MORE allergic in a year or two. Some practitioners are good at muscle testing, some aren't. Don't assume the results they get are valid - have them check things you know the answers to from other kinds of testing. If those check out, then believe the other results they get. If you have serious allergies, the clearing periods can be pretty wild rides. You should notice significant improvement after treating the first 5 allergies or so even if you end up having to do dozens to get well. If not, try another practitioner. There is a lot of skill required and they aren't all equally skillful. Andy Cutler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Yes, I would like your protocol Kathy Re: [ ] Recovery? >I don't and haven't ever had a diagnosis of autism (just " severe " >introversion)(my nephew has autism and I work in the field), but had mercury >poisoning from my dental fillings (+vaccines and at least 2 prior >generations of probable toxicity, etc). I had my (17)fillings removed and >replaced about 9 years ago. I self-diagnosed, then searched for someone to >provide an " official " second opinion. A chiropractor/nutritionist (who had >had his own Mercury fillings out) did bioenergetic testing which tested for >5 forms of mercury. I tested positive on 4 of the 5. (He said testing >positive on 5 basically meant I was dead.) After much research, some >supplementation, and a test for least reactive replacement materials (via >mail by Huggins Diagnostic) I went to WI (my sis lives there)to have the >work done because I couldn't find anyone in OK who would do it right. My >symptoms of mercury poisoning included weighing only 82 pounds (5'6 " , >natural weight 110#), loss of memory, loss of ability to spell (simple words >like here and hear), cold hands and feet, metallic taste in the mouth, pain >in the throat and lungs when breathing deeply or in cold air, leaky gut, >chronic fatigue (drag home from work and try to decide if I had the energy >to shower or not!),among other things... > >I still have a few minor issues which I continue to work on, but I consider >myself in good health. In the last year,I have had NAET treatments for >dairy, mercury, nickel, aluminum, silver, copper, chromium, magnesium, tin, >(one other metal which I don't recall at the moment), MMR, chlorine, >fluoride, my own blood, a hormone (can't remember if she decided to do >estrogen or progesterone first), and will do several more. > >I'll gladly share more info if folks want it, privately or on the list. I >did take an I.Q test (the Weschler & Peabody) of my own initiative at the >low point of my toxicity in January, 1991 just prior to the removal of my >mercury in February of that year. (I self-diagnosed in Nov.) I wanted >those results and planned to take another one after removal/replacement and >detox in order to compare using a recognized test. I haven't gotten around >to a retest yet, due to $ and time but still plan to do so. > >I'm convinced that my symptoms ccame to the forefront at that point in my >life due to simple toxic overload and the fact that I had switched froma >junk food diet to a vegetarian then vegan diet and the mercury stored in >what little fat I had redistributed. I had also had several fillings around >that time. > > > >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:22:55 -0700, egroups wrote: > >> Does anyone have any real recovery stories due to removal of mercury? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >CatalogLink offers hundreds of catalogs for FREE! >Click here to find the latest and greatest in the >world of catalogs - check out our featured Picks of the Week >and also look to enter our $500 catalog shopping spree! >1/6068/9/_/705339/_/962941145/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2000 Report Share Posted July 8, 2000 I also am interested in knowing more about your condition and the steps you've taken in recovery to health. I appreciate your sharing this information to the benefit of the community. Regards, Sam Re: [ ] Recovery? > > > >I don't and haven't ever had a diagnosis of autism (just " severe " > >introversion)(my nephew has autism and I work in the field), but had > mercury > >poisoning from my dental fillings (+vaccines and at least 2 prior > >generations of probable toxicity, etc). I had my (17)fillings removed and > >replaced about 9 years ago. I self-diagnosed, then searched for someone to > >provide an " official " second opinion. A chiropractor/nutritionist (who had > >had his own Mercury fillings out) did bioenergetic testing which tested for > >5 forms of mercury. I tested positive on 4 of the 5. (He said testing > >positive on 5 basically meant I was dead.) After much research, some > >supplementation, and a test for least reactive replacement materials (via > >mail by Huggins Diagnostic) I went to WI (my sis lives there)to have the > >work done because I couldn't find anyone in OK who would do it right. My > >symptoms of mercury poisoning included weighing only 82 pounds (5'6 " , > >natural weight 110#), loss of memory, loss of ability to spell (simple > words > >like here and hear), cold hands and feet, metallic taste in the mouth, pain > >in the throat and lungs when breathing deeply or in cold air, leaky gut, > >chronic fatigue (drag home from work and try to decide if I had the energy > >to shower or not!),among other things... > > > >I still have a few minor issues which I continue to work on, but I consider > >myself in good health. In the last year,I have had NAET treatments for > >dairy, mercury, nickel, aluminum, silver, copper, chromium, magnesium, tin, > >(one other metal which I don't recall at the moment), MMR, chlorine, > >fluoride, my own blood, a hormone (can't remember if she decided to do > >estrogen or progesterone first), and will do several more. > > > >I'll gladly share more info if folks want it, privately or on the list. I > >did take an I.Q test (the Weschler & Peabody) of my own initiative at the > >low point of my toxicity in January, 1991 just prior to the removal of my > >mercury in February of that year. (I self-diagnosed in Nov.) I wanted > >those results and planned to take another one after removal/replacement and > >detox in order to compare using a recognized test. I haven't gotten around > >to a retest yet, due to $ and time but still plan to do so. > > > >I'm convinced that my symptoms ccame to the forefront at that point in my > >life due to simple toxic overload and the fact that I had switched froma > >junk food diet to a vegetarian then vegan diet and the mercury stored in > >what little fat I had redistributed. I had also had several fillings > around > >that time. > > > > > > > >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:22:55 -0700, egroups wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have any real recovery stories due to removal of mercury? > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Say Bye to Slow Internet! > >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >CatalogLink offers hundreds of catalogs for FREE! > >Click here to find the latest and greatest in the > >world of catalogs - check out our featured Picks of the Week > >and also look to enter our $500 catalog shopping spree! > >1/6068/9/_/705339/_/962941145/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2000 Report Share Posted July 8, 2000 Please post if you can... Re: [ ] Recovery? > > > > > > >I don't and haven't ever had a diagnosis of autism (just " severe " > > >introversion)(my nephew has autism and I work in the field), but had > > mercury > > >poisoning from my dental fillings (+vaccines and at least 2 prior > > >generations of probable toxicity, etc). I had my (17)fillings removed > and > > >replaced about 9 years ago. I self-diagnosed, then searched for someone > to > > >provide an " official " second opinion. A chiropractor/nutritionist (who > had > > >had his own Mercury fillings out) did bioenergetic testing which tested > for > > >5 forms of mercury. I tested positive on 4 of the 5. (He said testing > > >positive on 5 basically meant I was dead.) After much research, some > > >supplementation, and a test for least reactive replacement materials (via > > >mail by Huggins Diagnostic) I went to WI (my sis lives there)to have the > > >work done because I couldn't find anyone in OK who would do it right. My > > >symptoms of mercury poisoning included weighing only 82 pounds (5'6 " , > > >natural weight 110#), loss of memory, loss of ability to spell (simple > > words > > >like here and hear), cold hands and feet, metallic taste in the mouth, > pain > > >in the throat and lungs when breathing deeply or in cold air, leaky gut, > > >chronic fatigue (drag home from work and try to decide if I had the > energy > > >to shower or not!),among other things... > > > > > >I still have a few minor issues which I continue to work on, but I > consider > > >myself in good health. In the last year,I have had NAET treatments for > > >dairy, mercury, nickel, aluminum, silver, copper, chromium, magnesium, > tin, > > >(one other metal which I don't recall at the moment), MMR, chlorine, > > >fluoride, my own blood, a hormone (can't remember if she decided to do > > >estrogen or progesterone first), and will do several more. > > > > > >I'll gladly share more info if folks want it, privately or on the list. I > > >did take an I.Q test (the Weschler & Peabody) of my own initiative at the > > >low point of my toxicity in January, 1991 just prior to the removal of my > > >mercury in February of that year. (I self-diagnosed in Nov.) I wanted > > >those results and planned to take another one after removal/replacement > and > > >detox in order to compare using a recognized test. I haven't gotten > around > > >to a retest yet, due to $ and time but still plan to do so. > > > > > >I'm convinced that my symptoms ccame to the forefront at that point in my > > >life due to simple toxic overload and the fact that I had switched froma > > >junk food diet to a vegetarian then vegan diet and the mercury stored in > > >what little fat I had redistributed. I had also had several fillings > > around > > >that time. > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:22:55 -0700, egroups wrote: > > > > > >> Does anyone have any real recovery stories due to removal of mercury? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > >Say Bye to Slow Internet! > > >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >CatalogLink offers hundreds of catalogs for FREE! > > >Click here to find the latest and greatest in the > > >world of catalogs - check out our featured Picks of the Week > > >and also look to enter our $500 catalog shopping spree! > > >1/6068/9/_/705339/_/962941145/ > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Kathy, Mine was very unscientific more intuitive with lots of reading and research and winging it. I did not have a healthcare practitioner during this time. If I wanted something done, I figured out what and then went looking for someone who could do it. I went the route of " I can't possibly mess things up as much as the traditional medical establishment already had " in my case. I stayed on a vegan diet no animal products, nothing from anything that used to have eyes :-) despite many comments from folks thinking that had caused my problems in the first place. Nothing from cans and very little in the way of processed food (sunflower butter, humus, soy yogurt, tofu, spelt bread, or sometimes Essene sprouted rye bread, some natural juices)and lots of fresh, organic when possible. Close attention to food combining and lots of mono-meals (a meal of only one type of food, example: half a watermelon for lunch and nothing else) to give my digetive system a rest, a few short (1-3 day) fasts for the same reason. Have avoided wheat and dairy for about 10 years. Since having my fillings replaced, I have supplemented with various combinations of the following, all in either tablet form or vegicaps: vitamin A (not from fish oil and not betacarotene but palmitate), B complex, C, NAC, DMG, digestive enzymes, apple pectin, garlic, walnut hull and something else for possible parasites, grapeseed extract, 5-HTP... Some appear to have helped, others I wonder about because I tried so many different things at once and may have just hit on some of the right combinations for my situation and system. I'll include others in a later post as I remember them or find them back in the journals I kept during part of this time. Bragg's Liquid Aminos, aloe juice, and liquid essential fatty acids(EFAs) from plant source. Reverse Osmosis water for drinking and a dechlorinator on the shower, some soaking in Epsom salts, NAET treatments, candida elimination diet, massage, cranial sacral therapy, visceral manipulation, and hypnotherapy (not necessarily in that order). I do not use detergent other than 20 Mule Team Borax in my laundry, get very picky about my shampoo and conditioner, avoid cigarette smoke, deodorant/anti-perspirant, perfumes, chlorine, fluoride, etc. For a while I used a " detox box " , had some laser treatments (for my skin problems), had a little bit of chiropractic. I currently do the NAET, and take only EFAs, betain Hcl (w/o Pepsin), chromium picolinate, and digestive enzymes (betaine/papain/amylase), do an occasional one-day stint of lipoic acid (every 3 hours 6 a.m. to 9 p.m.), and intermitent vitamin C. Hope this helps more than it confuses... > Yes, I would like your protocol > Kathy > _______________________________________________________ Say Bye to Slow Internet! http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 You are my kind of mom....go by the gut. Like you I have done the same things, almost paralleling what you have done. I have very picky eaters, so that is my biggest challenge of the day. Most of the things you speak of are in the paper I have been forwarding people, have you read it? You may just find the same things you have researched, but it goes a step further with how to institute it, which I appreciated and used. Becuase of that I have quasi recovered my daughter from autism (quasi meaning, I don't think autism is cured, just relieved of symptoms). My son is much more critical in that we are talking oxidative stress big time, mito disorders and seizures. He is always in need of tweeking here or there, but the thing I have to be cognizent about is meat is very important for him due to his metabolic profiles. Red meat stops seizures documented. Organic yes. Anyways, did you get that paper from the list and would you like me to forward it? Kathy Re: [ ] Recovery? >Kathy, > >Mine was very unscientific more intuitive with lots of reading and research >and winging it. I did not have a healthcare practitioner during this time. >If I wanted something done, I figured out what and then went looking for >someone who could do it. I went the route of " I can't possibly mess things >up as much as the traditional medical establishment already had " in my case. > >I stayed on a vegan diet no animal products, nothing from anything that used >to have eyes :-) despite many comments from folks thinking that had caused >my problems in the first place. Nothing from cans and very little in the >way of processed food (sunflower butter, humus, soy yogurt, tofu, spelt >bread, or sometimes Essene sprouted rye bread, some natural juices)and lots >of fresh, organic when possible. Close attention to food combining and lots >of mono-meals (a meal of only one type of food, example: half a watermelon >for lunch and nothing else) to give my digetive system a rest, a few short >(1-3 day) fasts for the same reason. Have avoided wheat and dairy for about >10 years. > > Since having my fillings replaced, I have supplemented with various >combinations of the following, all in either tablet form or vegicaps: >vitamin A (not from fish oil and not betacarotene but palmitate), B complex, >C, NAC, DMG, digestive enzymes, apple pectin, garlic, walnut hull and >something else for possible parasites, grapeseed extract, 5-HTP... Some >appear to have helped, others I wonder about because I tried so many >different things at once and may have just hit on some of the right >combinations for my situation and system. I'll include others in a later >post as I remember them or find them back in the journals I kept during part >of this time. > >Bragg's Liquid Aminos, aloe juice, and liquid essential fatty acids(EFAs) >from plant source. Reverse Osmosis water for drinking and a dechlorinator on >the shower, some soaking in Epsom salts, NAET treatments, candida >elimination diet, massage, cranial sacral therapy, visceral manipulation, >and hypnotherapy (not necessarily in that order). > >I do not use detergent other than 20 Mule Team Borax in my laundry, get very >picky about my shampoo and conditioner, avoid cigarette smoke, >deodorant/anti-perspirant, perfumes, chlorine, fluoride, etc. For a while I >used a " detox box " , had some laser treatments (for my skin problems), had a >little bit of chiropractic. > >I currently do the NAET, and take only EFAs, betain Hcl (w/o Pepsin), >chromium picolinate, and digestive enzymes (betaine/papain/amylase), do an >occasional one-day stint of lipoic acid (every 3 hours 6 a.m. to 9 p.m.), >and intermitent vitamin C. > >Hope this helps more than it confuses... > > > >> Yes, I would like your protocol >> Kathy >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Say Bye to Slow Internet! >http://www.home.com/xinbox/signup.html > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! >1. Fill in the brief application >2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds >3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR >1/6631/9/_/705339/_/963639491/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2003 Report Share Posted June 10, 2003 NO, there are two 's now. I was the original, whos been explanted for over 9 months now, and there's a new in town! And we have alot in common on top of it, too! I will make it easier, and respond with nna, my full name from now on to lesson the confusion!No brain fog here girl! nna Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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