arthritis

July 23, 2001

Sorry let me say that again... I had read that the vegetable/fruit of the night

shade plants were to be avoided by type Os whether they were suffering from

arthritis... I realise this doesn't answer your question.

LnL,

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

Re: Arthritis

> I thought type Os were supposed to avoid night-shade family vegetables

anyway...

July 23, 2001

Steve,

O's are neutral to tomatoes, peppers, butternut squash, and chili peppers.

Only those of us with arthritis can't have them. White potatoes are the only

member of the nightshade family that I know of that we should avoid.

Tomatoes are one we can have sparingly according to ER. I haven't read LR

yet as it's not available in our small town libraries near by. I'll be

buying the book as soon as I can find it second hand.

> Sorry let me say that again... I had read that the vegetable/fruit of the

night shade plants were to be avoided by type Os whether they were suffering

from arthritis... I realise this doesn't answer your question.

July 23, 2001

Just found this interesting response from Dr D...

http://www.dadamo.com/ask/ask3.pl?20010118.txt

LnL,

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

Re: Arthritis

>

> Steve,

> O's are neutral to tomatoes, peppers, butternut squash, and chili peppers.

> Only those of us with arthritis can't have them. White potatoes are the only

> member of the nightshade family that I know of that we should avoid.

> Tomatoes are one we can have sparingly according to ER. I haven't read LR

> yet as it's not available in our small town libraries near by. I'll be

> buying the book as soon as I can find it second hand.

July 23, 2001

Yes, I seem to remember this was one of the things that confused me in ER, I

don't have my copy handy so I might get this slightly wrong, but I am sure in

the intro to vegetables he says about avoiding the nightshade family and then

promptly says that certain members of the family are ok....

But doing a quick search on the net, you are right people with arthritis should

avoid vegetables/fruits of the night shade family.

LnL,

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

PS I didn't know butternut squash was a member of the night shade family

Re: Arthritis

>

> Steve,

> O's are neutral to tomatoes, peppers, butternut squash, and chili peppers.

> Only those of us with arthritis can't have them. White potatoes are the only

> member of the nightshade family that I know of that we should avoid.

> Tomatoes are one we can have sparingly according to ER. I haven't read LR

> yet as it's not available in our small town libraries near by. I'll be

> buying the book as soon as I can find it second hand.

July 23, 2001

Butternut Squash is a member of the Cucurbita family and no the Solenaceous

family (night shade). Perhaps it is because of some other reason that you are

saying butternut squash is to be avoided...

LnL,

Steve - Cheltenham, UK

Re: Arthritis

>

> >

> > Steve,

> > O's are neutral to tomatoes, peppers, butternut squash, and chili peppers.

> > Only those of us with arthritis can't have them. White potatoes are the only

> > member of the nightshade family that I know of that we should avoid.

July 23, 2001

Thank you, Steve. Somehow I missed that one or forgot it.

> Just found this interesting response from Dr D...

http://www.dadamo.com/ask/ask3.pl?20010118.txt

>

> LnL,

> Steve - Cheltenham, UK

July 24, 2001

Hi Hilda! Yes, all those sweeteners are to be avoided. the lectins from the

grains deposit in the joints. For now all foods from below should be

avoided.

love

http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Arthritis

, is honey and fructose also to be avoided or are you only referring

to cane sugar? Why is grains bad for arthritic conditions? I love my

sherry and red wine but have a suspicion that these are also to be avoided

now. Am I right? What about tomatoes?

Hilda Vosloo

Bethesda cc

Tel: 012 - 549 2621

Cell: 082 922 9136

October 21, 2001

<<My body has trouble using calcium efficiently. Because of this calcium

problem all of my joints are becoming arthritic. Donna>>

Donna, sorry to hear you are under so much pain. I have followed a diet for

arthritis with very good results which you can find it in Dr. Giraud W.

, D.O. book " A Doctor's Proven New Home Cure for Arthritis " . He advices

(among other things) to take twice a day 1 Tbs. of cod liver oil.

October 22, 2001

Donna, what exactly do you eat? Please give more details of your self/diet.

One of the first things you want to work on is increase your magnesium

intake. without it, calcium will never get into the bones.

love

http://www.foodforyourblood.com

Re: arthritis

<<My body has trouble using calcium efficiently. Because of this calcium

problem all of my joints are becoming arthritic. Donna>>

Donna, sorry to hear you are under so much pain. I have followed a diet

for arthritis with very good results which you can find it in Dr. Giraud W.

, D.O. book " A Doctor's Proven New Home Cure for Arthritis " . He

advices (among other things) to take twice a day 1 Tbs. of cod liver oil.

December 4, 2001

<<Kathy....s' ER/hospital stay

sounded like a horror story. So glad things are OK now. How did

handle it all.....does he know/understand what's going on. How did you find

out about the arthritis? Is that what they call juvenile arthritis? >>

Hi Margaret

Yes, you are right - has Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis.

About 5+ years ago had his initial bout with arthritis.

In the morning he started limping, by the afternoon he refused to

walk and so we carried him (still unaware of his dx) by the evening

when Kent was getting ready to leave for work was laying on

his back in the hallway in pain. We could not touch him without

him screaming. I made him a little bed and laid an open diaper under

him because the pain he had was in his hips, wrists, and knees at that time.

Kent was gone for a couple of weeks and I could not move him so he laid on his

back in the hallway for the next 2 weeks. . .flat on his back- he could not even

sit or turn on his side. I kept him medicated and he would sleep most of the

day. (I should tell you that Kent is a doctor and that is why I did not take him

to

the ER- and by the evening Kent knew what was wrong and had already

ordered meds, etc) By the 3rd week I was able to move him into his bed and he

still would only lay flat on his back. It just so happened that Shriners was

holding a free clinic to interview and screen children that they would accept in

their hosp. for treatment.

(originally we would travel to San Fran until they opened the hosp

in Sacramento) was accepted and dx with arthritis and they helped him with

his meds and PT. We also had a few other things done

while he was there. By the 4th week he was able to sit in a wheelchair and he

went back to school and within 5 days he began walking. Since then has had

8-10 other times when it has been

hard on him. On cold mornings he is stiff (warm bath and excercise)

other than that he is very active and he does know his limits when it comes to

activities. He is not able to tell us where it hurts or

if he is hurting. I know what to look for and I know when he is

acting a little different.

Hope I made sense.

Kathy (-11)

December 4, 2001

Aww, poor child. At least you know what's wrong with

him, and your treating him. Well that's the good

news, but sorry that you and your family have to go

though not knowing what to do for a while. It must be

hard. Well, hope everything works out now.

>

> Hi Margaret

> Yes, you are right - has Juvenile Rheumatoid

> Arthritis.

> About 5+ years ago had his initial bout with

> arthritis.

> In the morning he started limping, by the afternoon

> he refused to

> walk and so we carried him (still unaware of his dx)

> by the evening

> when Kent was getting ready to leave for work

> was laying on

> his back in the hallway in pain. We could not touch

> him without

> him screaming. I made him a little bed and laid an

> open diaper under

> him because the pain he had was in his hips, wrists,

> and knees at that time. Kent was gone for a couple

> of weeks and I could not move him so he laid on his

> back in the hallway for the next 2 weeks. . .flat on

> his back- he could not even sit or turn on his side.

> I kept him medicated and he would sleep most of the

> day. (I should tell you that Kent is a doctor and

> that is why I did not take him to

> the ER- and by the evening Kent knew what was wrong

> and had already

> ordered meds, etc) By the 3rd week I was able to

> move him into his bed and he still would only lay

> flat on his back. It just so happened that Shriners

> was holding a free clinic to interview and screen

> children that they would accept in their hosp. for

> treatment.

> (originally we would travel to San Fran until they

> opened the hosp

> in Sacramento) was accepted and dx with

> arthritis and they helped him with his meds and PT.

> We also had a few other things done

> while he was there. By the 4th week he was able to

> sit in a wheelchair and he went back to school and

> within 5 days he began walking. Since then has

> had 8-10 other times when it has been

> hard on him. On cold mornings he is stiff (warm bath

> and excercise)

> other than that he is very active and he does know

> his limits when it comes to activities. He is not

> able to tell us where it hurts or

> if he is hurting. I know what to look for and I know

> when he is

> acting a little different.

> Hope I made sense.

> Kathy (-11)

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

December 5, 2001

Does he see a rhumetologist? i know nathan has since

he was about 3-4years old, its an

immunologist/rheumatologist, nathan has such immunity

problems they watch him carefully for rheum. arthritis

too since its an immune response. I know he doesnt

like to run more than a few feet, and only will walk

short distances otherwise just plops on the ground and

refuses to move. Ive often asked them about pain and

him and nobody really knows for sure because nahtan

never complains of pain. Everybody just assumes it

must be at a tolerable level since he still moves etc.

we just let him decide his level of activity, and do

lots of swimming. prayers that he feels back to par

real soon. shawna.

=====

shawna

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August 7, 2002

In a message dated 8/7/02 8:28:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rdclark1@... writes:

> Am I the only one that has back pains?

>

I know the dull pain in hip you refer to when sleeping. I am convinced it is

because I am overweight. I try to stretch before getting into bed and it

helps.

NH

Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

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August 7, 2002

> Does anyone know anything about arthritis? How young you can be and get it

and what it really is?

Arthritis affects all ages. When you get it depends on what type (there

are a couple). It's not something I'm overly educated on, despite

having been told by my GP that I had it when I was 17. Turns out he was

wrong and my spine's misalighned, thus making my shoulder hurt like

nobody's business O.o

> Plus, my fat roll and my whole right side is bigger than the other side of my

body. So, I was beginning to wonder if it was arthritis. My side may hurt one

day and not the next and vice versa. My lower back aches. My cousin tells me

that this is due to being overweight and more the reason to lose weight. What

do you all think? Am I the only one that has back pains?

>

Unfortunately, this is probably true. Being overweight causes your

spine to both compress and pull out of alignment if your 'core' muscles

aren't strong enough to counteract the weight. Compressing causes the

discs to be squashed and 'subluxated' -- irritating the nerves that go

to muscles, joints, and even organ function! Weight can also, by dint

of gravity, slowly pull you out of proper alignment (Think about

pregnant women and the tendency to look 'swaybacked' as they

compensate!)

The answer may or may not be losing weight. My chiropractor suggested

strengthening the core muscles MORE than weight loss to go along with

my adjustments. I feel GREAT! Much less back pain, far less aspirin,

and of course I look better as my abs are toning up!

K.

303/269/190-200

August 7, 2002

Mine hurts while laying on it off and on and then some during the day. It

has to be because I sleep on it constantly, but cant help it. My brain says

" sleep time " when I am on my right side.

Re: arthritis

> In a message dated 8/7/02 8:28:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rdclark1@... writes:

>

> > Am I the only one that has back pains?

> >

>

> I know the dull pain in hip you refer to when sleeping. I am convinced it

is

> because I am overweight. I try to stretch before getting into bed and it

> helps.

> NH

> Mommy to Abby Liz 10-25-94

> Mommy to Anne 7-1-99

> START 6/1/02

> 238/222/199

>

August 7, 2002

,

In a totally unprofessional opinion, what you are describing sounds more

like bursitis. Is is also aggravated by movement? When I had that problem,

the joint felt hot and I couldn't hardly lay on that side. You might check

that out.

Blessings and prayers,

n

January 7, 2003

Liz,

When I started working out my joints hurt alot. A fibromyalgia type

thing. I took chondritin and it helped. Also cutting out flour and

sugar from my diet helped tremendously too. Now I notice when I eat

significant amounts of flour and sugar my joints hurt the next day.

I've also seen some research lately that seems to suggest that these

products set up an inflammatory process in the body that exaborates

the symptoms of arthritis. I don't know if this will help you or not

but I wanted to wish you good luck.

Jan

January 7, 2003

Thanks for the info. I need to cut flour and sugar for all the other

obvious reasons as well.

> Liz,

> When I started working out my joints hurt alot. A fibromyalgia type

> thing. I took chondritin and it helped. Also cutting out flour and

> sugar from my diet helped tremendously too. Now I notice when I eat

> significant amounts of flour and sugar my joints hurt the next day.

> I've also seen some research lately that seems to suggest that

these

> products set up an inflammatory process in the body that exaborates

> the symptoms of arthritis. I don't know if this will help you or

not

> but I wanted to wish you good luck.

> Jan

January 12, 2004

Thank you so much, . I will definitely take your advice seriously.

I'm 47 and will turn 48 and am starting to have symptoms in the hips and pain

going down my legs. At first, I thought it was my sciatica but it's on both

hips. Since the holidays, my diet has been pretty awful. Time to get back in

check.

Sincerely,

Melinda

January 12, 2004

Thank you so much, . I will definitely take your advice seriously.

I'm 47 and will turn 48 and am starting to have symptoms in the hips and pain

going down my legs. At first, I thought it was my sciatica but it's on both

hips. Since the holidays, my diet has been pretty awful. Time to get back in

check.

Sincerely,

Melinda

January 12, 2004

For me ...the remedy consisted of avoiding foods from the nightshade family as

much as poss...When I was 42 I suddenly started getting this very bad pain in my

hips & lower ler/foot joints mainly...when it struck bad I could barely walk

(with pain)...but usually it was mostly cleared 24 hours later (depending on

diet I realized later ...at the time because I was already following a rough

rotational diet ..I was able to track the main offenders fairly easily).

Anyway first i took out tomato's ..that helped a lot ...then it came back a

couple of months later & I found I eventually had to mainly remove

tomatoe,capsicum/chilli/pepper cayenne, potato & eggplant.

Now I dont get any bad joint pain occasionally when I have eggplant or potato

I may get a small twinge in 1 of my feet , but easily ignored & nowhere like

prev...I now eat eggplant & potato , only about once/week & avoid tomato , &

very rarely have cayenne powder or curry..fwiw

arthritis

does anyone know of alternative methods for relieving pain and/or reversal of

arthritis?

I'd appreciate all input.

thanks,

Melinda

January 12, 2004