PAtty

May 16, 2003

Thanks for your views TJ. I, too, appreciate all the work that Dr. Kolb does.

(I just don't appreciate being told how I should view other plastic surgeons.)

----- Original Message -----

From: tjhoff69us

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patty

I think what this group is doing, is a grave injustice to Dr. Kolb. Just think what the world would be like without people like her. If it wasn't for people like her I would still be taking my health for granted.You see I was once a healthy happy woman without a care in the world, but one. "I didn't have those nice breast like they have on tv." Mine were kinda droopy from having babies. So off to a PS I went hoping for a lift to pert them up a little. Well with him being so much smarter than me, he thought I should get implants. I asked if they were safe and he said he would never put anything in that wasn't safe. He was such a nice man.Well I had my implants put in and was very happy with them until about 3 1/2 years later. I started getting really tired, couldn't think, aches and pain and a whole bunch of other stuff. That went on for about a year. Boy, was I ever sick!Did some searching and found this support group. Don't know what I would have done without them. Decide to have my nice smoothe mentor implants (the safe ones) removed. That was 2 1/2 years ago and boy do I feel great now. Took me awhile though.You see, I would have taken my health for granted for years to come, but with people like Dr. Kolb who put implants in, I would never of known what I had. I appreciate people like her for letting me know what I would have missed out on and isn't is nice that she removes them too! What more could a woman ask for.Between implant and explant I didn't really have anything else to spend $16,000 on, so I'm glad there are people like her were around for me. I would have just spent that money on something frivolous. To bad I didn't wait until now, I sure I could have spent more. You know how inflation is now days. Darn!I think you should give Dr. Kolb a break. Look at all she has done for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't worry Dr. Kolb I'm there for you.TJ

May 16, 2003

By the way, TJ, was it this support group you found? Are we the ones that helped you see what was going on? I guess I ask because you seem to give all the credit to Dr. Kolb, but were there in fact alot more people involved? We've had many women posting on this group over the past several years....just wondering.....

----- Original Message -----

From: tjhoff69us

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:07 PM

Subject: Re: Patty

I think what this group is doing, is a grave injustice to Dr. Kolb. Just think what the world would be like without people like her. If it wasn't for people like her I would still be taking my health for granted.You see I was once a healthy happy woman without a care in the world, but one. "I didn't have those nice breast like they have on tv." Mine were kinda droopy from having babies. So off to a PS I went hoping for a lift to pert them up a little. Well with him being so much smarter than me, he thought I should get implants. I asked if they were safe and he said he would never put anything in that wasn't safe. He was such a nice man.Well I had my implants put in and was very happy with them until about 3 1/2 years later. I started getting really tired, couldn't think, aches and pain and a whole bunch of other stuff. That went on for about a year. Boy, was I ever sick!Did some searching and found this support group. Don't know what I would have done without them. Decide to have my nice smoothe mentor implants (the safe ones) removed. That was 2 1/2 years ago and boy do I feel great now. Took me awhile though.You see, I would have taken my health for granted for years to come, but with people like Dr. Kolb who put implants in, I would never of known what I had. I appreciate people like her for letting me know what I would have missed out on and isn't is nice that she removes them too! What more could a woman ask for.Between implant and explant I didn't really have anything else to spend $16,000 on, so I'm glad there are people like her were around for me. I would have just spent that money on something frivolous. To bad I didn't wait until now, I sure I could have spent more. You know how inflation is now days. Darn!I think you should give Dr. Kolb a break. Look at all she has done for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't worry Dr. Kolb I'm there for you.TJ

May 16, 2003

Yes, this was the group I found about 3 yrs ago. I wrote you once for

your story and I think I still have it somewhere on this darn

computer. I've talked to several women on this group, is one.

I just never post because I would probaly just start trouble with my

big mouth. Kinda like I just did. Some things just rub me the wrong

way and what was going on was really rubbing.

You guys were so helpful to me when I needed it and I just could let

this one go.

-- In , " ~*Patty*~ " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> By the way, TJ, was it this support group you found? Are we the

ones that helped you see what was going on? I guess I ask because

you seem to give all the credit to Dr. Kolb, but were there in fact

alot more people involved? We've had many women posting on this

group over the past several years....just wondering.....

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: tjhoff69us

>

> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 2:07 PM

> Subject: Re: Patty

> I think what this group is doing, is a grave injustice to Dr.

Kolb.

> Just think what the world would be like without people like her.

If

> it wasn't for people like her I would still be taking my health

for

> granted.

>

> You see I was once a healthy happy woman without a care in the

world,

> but one. " I didn't have those nice breast like they have on tv. "

Mine

> were kinda droopy from having babies.

>

> So off to a PS I went hoping for a lift to pert them up a little.

> Well with him being so much smarter than me, he thought I should

get

> implants. I asked if they were safe and he said he would never

put

> anything in that wasn't safe. He was such a nice man.

>

> Well I had my implants put in and was very happy with them until

> about 3 1/2 years later. I started getting really tired, couldn't

> think, aches and pain and a whole bunch of other stuff. That went

on

> for about a year. Boy, was I ever sick!

>

> Did some searching and found this support group. Don't know what

I

> would have done without them. Decide to have my nice smoothe

mentor

> implants (the safe ones) removed. That was 2 1/2 years ago and

boy do

> I feel great now. Took me awhile though.

>

> You see, I would have taken my health for granted for years to

come,

> but with people like Dr. Kolb who put implants in, I would never

of

> known what I had. I appreciate people like her for letting me

know

> what I would have missed out on and isn't is nice that she

removes

> them too! What more could a woman ask for.

>

> Between implant and explant I didn't really have anything else to

> spend $16,000 on, so I'm glad there are people like her were

around

> for me. I would have just spent that money on something

frivolous. To

> bad I didn't wait until now, I sure I could have spent more. You

know

> how inflation is now days. Darn!

>

> I think you should give Dr. Kolb a break. Look at all she has

done

> for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Don't worry Dr. Kolb I'm there for you.

>

> TJ

May 16, 2003

Well, gosh, TJ, I'm sorry it took this little rumble to get you to

post! I'm glad to hear you've been doing so much better, and I'm

glad you posted. Please don't feel that your posts would cause

trouble. I do want you to feel free to write, and of course, keep

us updated on your progress. I think women out there who are

explanted and trying to get better are encouraged to hear from women

like you who are doing so good now. Thanks again for writing. I

hope you keep in touch...

Hugs,

Patty

--- In , " tjhoff69us " <tjhoff69@h...>

wrote:

> Yes, this was the group I found about 3 yrs ago. I wrote you once

for

> your story and I think I still have it somewhere on this darn

> computer. I've talked to several women on this group, is

one.

> I just never post because I would probaly just start trouble with

my

> big mouth. Kinda like I just did. Some things just rub me the

wrong

> way and what was going on was really rubbing.

>

> You guys were so helpful to me when I needed it and I just could

let

> this one go.

>

May 16, 2003

Oh, I've already been there and done that! That's for sure!

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:08 PM

Subject: RE: Patty

Patty: I do not see the need to blame anyone. I see this issue as one of lack of knowledge on the part of some, the deliberate hiding of knowledge on the part of one of the implant companies, and the general lack of maturation of our policing system represented by the FDA in that they did not yet look at devices so unsafe devices were represented to the surgeons as safe. If you want to look for spiritual lessons, see if your intuitive guidiance was intact when you had them put in. Many women have told me that they had a knowing that they should not do this, but did it to save a marriage or please someone else. .

May 16, 2003

I mean, if you are doing any studies, then you have to have funding, isn't this correct? Studies are extremely expensive to correctly conduct. All we hear is that more studies are needed, and if you are "working" on understanding this disease or what is happening with silicone, then I would assume you haev some studies planned or in the works.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr.Kolb

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 7:11 PM

Subject: RE: Re: Patty

Patty: What do you mean by who is funding me? Martha means that I work with others in the medical field to figure this disease out by sharing information. Please reread the post where I describe this by describing the radio show interviews. .

May 16, 2003

Yes, I sure would like to, . Sounds good to me. I am sorry you had such a hard week, and especially for your son with his continuing skin conditions. I know this is a big source of guilt and frustration, and I do hope he begins to overcome it all. The innocent victims in this....the biggest tragedy of all.....

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Patty

Sorry to say, I am part of this group also, and with all that is going on with my life right now, I didn’t want to get further involved, than the few comments I have made here and there.

As everyone knows I am a client of Dr Kolb, and considers myself a friend as well. (And also to the other gals here on the site) And felt that any comments made by me (as I tried in the beginning of all this) would be seen as biased, because of being her patient. But I cant be silent anymore. Really in this circumstance, I am not being one sided. Let this one go. I believe all this stemmed from Diamonds comments, and instead of being here to back herself up, we got left with all this "my rights to my feelings", insulting, and all this mess, how it happened is beyond me.

But this is how I feel.

Yes, I felt lied to by my PS, he told me that they would last a lifetime, never need to be replaced, and I would never get sick from them, and I went with that at 19. He lied. But it was partly my choice. I am not fully a victim. I accept some responsibilty to being tempted and became won over into the world's sinful images of what is right. I accept that I wasn’t strong enough to accept myself then. And I couldn’t accept that I was perfectly normal. Yes, He got the money, and yes, I got the look, and the breasts that I so dearly wanted. Yes, I became ill from them. Yes, I had to get them removed. Should I hate all PS's from this event? After all, it has greatly affected my life? In my opinion, I don’t. I couldn’t.

Because, as just as strongly as I felt betrayed, was as strongly as I needed to entrust in another PS to undo the damage. I needed a PS to help me get my breasts back afterwards without being damaged, to help me get my life, and health back. And Dr Kolb did just that. Sorry. But more that that, and none seems to understand the importance of this to me, every time after explant I had a new symptom, small or silly, fearful I would call her at anytime, even 11pm at night, *(and I did this like 3-5 times per week the first few months as I was having a lot if issues) and she would ALWAYS call back within 10 minutes with a natural approach to easing it, kind words, or stopping a food causing it. I couldnt believe the support this busy doctor gave me, in all her crazy schedule. I can see why she is offended by all ps's being labeled $$hungry , and out for a buck. She works so hard to be some of the Plastic Surgeons that really do care, and for more reasons than the almighty dollar.

How would we feel if someone labeled all implanted women as self centered? Or all of us on this support group as crazy, and unwilling to accept that we are just plain sick , and not from implants. Fools! Don’t say you wouldn’t care, we are far too opinionated to go there. We would stick up for ourselves, and even get personal.

This is a touchy topic, that to me, seems always stirred up real quick before someone leaves, to get us all going again. And it works. People that didn’t even make the comments to begin with, are in the midst of the fire in the end. I wont waste my time, hating all PS, and what they stand for, too much bad energy. All I can do, is thank God for the the good ones, and the one that literally helped me in a very bad time. I am in debt to Him for that. I mean, in all professions, there is bad. Doctors, Lawyers, Teachers, Police Officers, Priests, as some beat people with the sticks that are supossed to save, some treat people with medical wrongdoings, some abuse our children wit our faith that they were supossed to be caring for them, teaching them, but there comes a time, that we will need a PS again, a doctor again, a teacher, a police officer again. And hopefully, we are smart enough to pick the good one this time. They are all not bad.

And to say on the internet that all ps's are bad, will be taken personally. I can see that. Yes, we have a right to feel that way, a right to feel our own opinions, and not be scared to offend Dr Kolb with those opinions. But whatever happened to common respect for one another as sisters? Instead of the need to be able to be free and say it like it is, as we "Have that Right" step back, and say, "today- I don’t want comment, as this topic is touchy to me. I may end up being offensive, and not be good for the group over all." And isnt this what its all about? We will never change much, unless we put our all of our heads together, master degrees, mothers- all of us, to learn things, to pass them on, and give new girls the chance to fully see. How do you think we look like this to outsiders? Our points, evidence, and stories mean nothing to a lot of people, if all that stands out is we cant agree or work together. For the good of the group sometime, please?

I hope I don’t get too much crap , and I am asking you, not to. I had to say this, as it is overwhelming to me to keep hitting new message after message with more arguments in them. I really came here for peace of mind. Hard week: I have been to over 3 doc apts for Tyler, as his skin conditions are bad, on top of all my thyroid nodule needle aspiration, and ultrasound, this week for cancer, I have a lot on my mind, and am very upset. Can we move on now?

May 16, 2003

Push ups probably strengthen the muscles surrounding the implants, but I don't think they will flatten them, (except, of course, when you are lying on the floor on them!) : )

----- Original Message -----

From: kim przybylski

Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 4:55 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Patty

do push-ups flatten breast or implants?

June 23, 2003

Patty, this is yet another great article on vaccinations. Thought you'de like to see it, if you havent read it already. nna.A friend of yours highly recommend you read this health article: http://www.mercola.com/2003/jun/21/vaccine_safety.htm. This article comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and trusted health information sites.

June 23, 2003

Thanks ,

I am completely in agreement with this article, and wish that more mothers would become educated and aware and quit following along blindly with the rest of the crowd. I used to be one of those women! It is totally amazing to me how I used to be when it came to doctors. It was like MD stood for "Medical Deity"--I didn't question their expertise, just did what they said, and believed every word. Now, I question everything about them, and the only doctors I respect are those that respect the fact that God created a perfect human body. It is horrible what governments allow our kids to be put through in the name of "protection." It is dangerous! I can say that having breast implants and the trials I went through because of them educated me greatly about the deception that is rampant in the medical field. I am sure you feel that way too.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 9:47 PM

Subject: PAtty

Patty, this is yet another great article on vaccinations. Thought you'de like to see it, if you havent read it already. nna.A friend of yours highly recommend you read this health article: http://www.mercola.com/2003/jun/21/vaccine_safety.htm. This article comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and trusted health information sites.

July 9, 2003

I wanted to make a comment in regards to heart condition. My doctor sent me to

a cardio doctor last year trying to find out why I am having problems with

blacking out and breathing. They ran numerous test. My heart is strong. But

they said at my last check up that she had to ignore one squiggle line. It

shows that my heart is crooked in the EKG. HHMMM. I asked her why, I do not

thiink I had a problem before, the nurse said I could of been born with it or

the implants.....Not sure what to think now. My implants have been out 9 days,

still having some breathing problems but not as bad...

>

> From: " *~Patty~* " <fdp@...>

> Date: 2003/07/09 Wed PM 01:08:41 EDT

> < >

> Subject: Re: Patty

>

> Thank you for sharing this--it makes me want to write her and tell her how

close minded she is being, and how she is allowing herself to be led by the

blind, or should I say those choosing to be blind? Very sad.

>

> I also find it very unsettling that she developed a heart condition about 2

years post explant. My stepdaughter has had her implants just over 2 years and

has also developed a heart condition, but of course, the denial that there is

any association with her implants is rampant in her mind and in that of her

friends.....they are supposedly saying it is a condition she had all along, BUT,

she has had a child, and two prior surgeries for cysts on her ovaries....you

would think they would have discovered this condition way before now, wouldn't

you? She is only 29. I just sit by, not able to say anything because it is so

upsetting to them, they don't want to hear it. WHAT IS IT THAT THESE WOMEN

DON'T WANT TO HEAR TRUTHS?????? It is not like I am trying to make anybody

miserable, just trying to give information that may save them from misery!!!! I

don't understand it!!!!

>

> So, rather than drive myself crazy about it, I totally and completely put it

in God's hands. He knows who needs to be comforted with His comfort in this

world, and He already told us in His Word about the foolish and the wise:

>

> " Where is the wise?.....Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? " I

Corinthians 1:20

>

> " ...the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is

stronger than men. " I Corinthians 1:25

>

> " But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise,

and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which

are mighty... " I Corinthians 1:27

>

> " For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God... " I Corinthians 3:19

>

> I stand redeemed....a fool for God, to shame the wise...weak, to shame the

mighty.....but most of all, to share His love with all of you, and be here to

offer my encouragement and support as a sister.

> Hugs to all,

> Patty

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: cricket5641000

>

> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:28 AM

> Subject: Patty

>

> Just checked, they locked me out too. Its to bad that they are so

> closed minded. I guess They really want to live in a fantasy land.

> If the manger of the site truely cared about her fellow human

> beings, she would want women to know that they could get sick.

>

> Here is the letter she wrote to me. I was just going to send it to

> you but it doen't matter anymore.

>

> Ya know Patty, there were women on this site that were sick and

> didn't realize that the implants could be the cause. Well maybe I

> helped a few.

>

> Interesting that the site manager has gotten a heart condition since

> implanting. I guess that she does not understand that if your body

> is predisposed because of family history, that when you put your

> body to work fighting off a foriegn object you leave it open to

> attack the weakest point. (family history) I would not be surprised

> if her thyroid does go next. She could be right in that she may

> have gotten the heart condition anyway. But I bet it wouldn't

> have been at such an early age if she had not gotten implants.

>

> here's the letter............

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Hi:

>

> I'm sorry you're having these problems, but PLEASE...review the

> facts, look at the legitimate studies, FDA's site, talk to board

> certified doctors and you will NOT find one piece of evidence

> linking any type of breast implants to auto-immune disease or any

> other kind of illness.

>

> Do you really think that the FDA would allow silicone implants to be

> put in cancer survivors IF they caused auto-immune problems? Come

> on, these women have NO immune system from chemo, radiation, etc and

> the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT would not intentionally put these people at

> risk.

>

> I have had my implants for 2.5 years. About 5 months ago I developed

> a heart condition. Do I think it's caused by my implants, lol? NO,

> of course not...Look back far enough in my family history to find

> the answers. If I develop a thyroid condition is it because of my

> implants? NO, I've been monitored for this for years because my mom

> developed a thyroid condition while I was inutero and they figured

> for sure it would be passed onto me. IF I were to develop any type

> of condition it would be PURE COINCIDENTAL!

>

> This is a BREAST AUGMENTATION SUPPORT SITE that publishes FACTS and

> not scare tactics or stories with NO PROOF.

>

> Is it just coincidental that a few new members who joined within a

> very close period of time all belong to the anti-implants sites and

> are searching for new members to draw in? Probably not...Like I said

> earlier please state the facts or indicate what you've posted is

> YOUR OPINION!!

>

> My post to you is not to offend you, but I've had numerous emails

> regarding your posts as well as others and the motive behind them.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> What facts do I need..........I lived the hell the implants put me

> thru.

>

Thank you for sharing this--it makes me want to write her and tell her how close minded she is being, and how she is allowing herself to be led by the blind, or should I say those choosing to be blind? Very sad.

I also find it very unsettling that she developed a heart condition about 2 years post explant. My stepdaughter has had her implants just over 2 years and has also developed a heart condition, but of course, the denial that there is any association with her implants is rampant in her mind and in that of her friends.....they are supposedly saying it is a condition she had all along, BUT, she has had a child, and two prior surgeries for cysts on her ovaries....you would think they would have discovered this condition way before now, wouldn't you? She is only 29. I just sit by, not able to say anything because it is so upsetting to them, they don't want to hear it. WHAT IS IT THAT THESE WOMEN DON'T WANT TO HEAR TRUTHS?????? It is not like I am trying to make anybody miserable, just trying to give information that may save them from misery!!!! I don't understand it!!!!

So, rather than drive myself crazy about it, I totally and completely put it in God's hands. He knows who needs to be comforted with His comfort in this world, and He already told us in His Word about the foolish and the wise:

"Where is the wise?.....Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?" I Corinthians 1:20

"...the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." I Corinthians 1:25

"But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty..." I Corinthians 1:27

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God..." I Corinthians 3:19

I stand redeemed....a fool for God, to shame the wise...weak, to shame the mighty.....but most of all, to share His love with all of you, and be here to offer my encouragement and support as a sister.

Hugs to all,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: cricket5641000

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:28 AM

Subject: Patty

Just checked, they locked me out too. Its to bad that they are so closed minded. I guess They really want to live in a fantasy land.If the manger of the site truely cared about her fellow human beings, she would want women to know that they could get sick.Here is the letter she wrote to me. I was just going to send it to you but it doen't matter anymore.Ya know Patty, there were women on this site that were sick and didn't realize that the implants could be the cause. Well maybe I helped a few.Interesting that the site manager has gotten a heart condition since implanting. I guess that she does not understand that if your body is predisposed because of family history, that when you put your body to work fighting off a foriegn object you leave it open to attack the weakest point. (family history) I would not be surprised if her thyroid does go next. She could be right in that she may have gotten the heart condition anyway. But I bet it wouldn't have been at such an early age if she had not gotten implants.here's the letter............--------------------------------------------------------------------Hi:I'm sorry you're having these problems, but PLEASE...review the facts, look at the legitimate studies, FDA's site, talk to board certified doctors and you will NOT find one piece of evidence linking any type of breast implants to auto-immune disease or any other kind of illness.Do you really think that the FDA would allow silicone implants to be put in cancer survivors IF they caused auto-immune problems? Come on, these women have NO immune system from chemo, radiation, etc and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT would not intentionally put these people at risk.I have had my implants for 2.5 years. About 5 months ago I developed a heart condition. Do I think it's caused by my implants, lol? NO, of course not...Look back far enough in my family history to find the answers. If I develop a thyroid condition is it because of my implants? NO, I've been monitored for this for years because my mom developed a thyroid condition while I was inutero and they figured for sure it would be passed onto me. IF I were to develop any type of condition it would be PURE COINCIDENTAL!This is a BREAST AUGMENTATION SUPPORT SITE that publishes FACTS and not scare tactics or stories with NO PROOF. Is it just coincidental that a few new members who joined within a very close period of time all belong to the anti-implants sites and are searching for new members to draw in? Probably not...Like I said earlier please state the facts or indicate what you've posted is YOUR OPINION!!My post to you is not to offend you, but I've had numerous emails regarding your posts as well as others and the motive behind them. ------------------------------------------------------------------What facts do I need..........I lived the hell the implants put me thru.

July 9, 2003

I just shake my head. I mean even if I wasn't having problems I would still believe that people can have problems and do. Are they really that nieve?

And it's stupid to think that "you are trying to solicite people for your site." HELLO...we are here for support.

I sometimes think that people want this so badly that they have to, unfortunately, learn the hard way.

I have a friend who recently got silicone Implants and she just kind of blows me off...even concerning me...like something is 'wrong' with me for even considering taking them out.

Gena

----- Original Message -----

From: *~Patty~*

Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:08 PM