Re: Debbie/All - Stages

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this was my understanding too. I am not sure if the scarring goes away though.On Jan 24, 2011, at 7:05 AM, schandler21@... wrote:

OK, just to make sure I understand this...Debbie, you say ny's liver will never go back to stage 1. But it's my understanding that if the hep is killed, with diet and lifestyle changes as necessary the liver will regenerate healthy tissue back to the point of a healthy liver. Am I misunderstanding this?SteveLife is much more fun when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett [ ] Re: acetaminophen

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It will never go back 1 stage or any stage. The damage has been done. You just have to do things to keep it from progressing. I know you hate to hear it, but eating right is a major thing you can do to help with that. Try to restrict your salt intake, and processed foods are super bad in the sodium dept.

Debbie

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Hi Teri,when you say the liver can regenerate itself you mean go back to normal and even get rid of the scarring, if this is true that is amazing!I do get about how hep c multiplies thanks to yo and Don, am I right when I say you will go from stage 1 through 4 in a matter of time because more and more hcv dudes are in in always multiplying so it is just a matter of time.Now I ask this as I am scared to death to treat again, as I don't want to repeat what I went through! But if you don't treat at some point this means in time the hcv will destroy your liver?I hoe I say this rightHugs,nyOn Jan 24, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Theresa Gottlieb wrote:

Your understanding is correct Steve.. with the Hep C gone, the liver can regenerate itself and create a new liver so to speak as long as there is good tissue to build off of. I think there has to be 25% of the liver available... I may be wrong on that percentage. I know I was in stage 3 and am totally fine now... all scar tissue is gone. Took 5 years but it's all gone. While the hep c is active however..... the only progression is forward to the next stage... no reversal is happening while the hep c is running rampant.

Hugs,TeriOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:05 AM, <schandler21@...> wrote:

OK, just to make sure I understand this...Debbie, you say ny's liver will never go back to stage 1. But it's my understanding that if the hep is killed, with diet and lifestyle changes as necessary the liver will regenerate healthy tissue back to the point of a healthy liver. Am I misunderstanding this?

SteveLife is much more fun when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party. Jimmy Buffett [ ] Re: acetaminophen

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It will never go back 1 stage or any stage. The damage has been done. You just have to do things to keep it from progressing. I know you hate to hear it, but eating right is a major thing you can do to help with that. Try to restrict your salt intake, and processed foods are super bad in the sodium dept.

Debbie

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It's just so overwhelming sometimes. Drives me crazy....

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Hi Debbie

It drives us all crazy until we are told we are cured.

You arent alone, thats for sure.

I am right beside you.

love

don in ks

From: debbiecurwick <debbiecurwick@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Debbie/All - Stages Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 9:11 PM

It's just so overwhelming sometimes. Drives me crazy....> > >> >> >> > I sure hope so Teri.> >> > ------------------------------------

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TeriDid you have another biopsy that showed there was no more damage?? I just think it's interesting and would like to be around long enough, to get the nerve to have another biopsy in 5 yrs lets say.Gloria

Your understanding is correct Steve.. with the Hep C gone, the liver can regenerate itself and create a new liver so to speak as long as there is good tissue to build off of. I think there has to be 25% of the liver available... I may be wrong on that percentage. I know I was in stage 3 and am totally fine now... all scar tissue is gone. Took 5 years but it's all gone. While the hep c is active however..... the only progression is forward to the next stage... no reversal is happening while the hep c is running rampant.

Hugs,TeriOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:05 AM, <schandler21@...> wrote:

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The doc said there was no need.  He said the cirrhosis was so bad before that it was palpable.... and that now there was absolutely no indication of any.  I have had an ultrasound done and that looks normal.  I guess you can see it on the ultrasound too...  that's how they guide the needle to the right spot for the biopsy.  

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Gloria <gadamscan@...> wrote:

 

TeriDid you have another biopsy that showed there was no more damage??  I just think it's interesting and would like to be around long enough, to get the nerve to have another biopsy in 5 yrs lets say.

Gloria

 

Your understanding is correct Steve..  with the Hep C gone, the liver can regenerate itself and create a new liver so to speak as long as there is good tissue to build off of.  I think there has to be 25% of the liver available...  I may be wrong on that percentage.   I know I was in stage 3 and am totally fine now... all scar tissue is gone.  Took 5 years but it's all gone.  While the hep c is active however.....  the only progression is forward to the next stage... no reversal is happening while the hep c is running rampant.  

Hugs,TeriOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:05 AM, <schandler21@...> wrote:

 

 

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Sure glad I quit drinking the same year that I believe that I was infected. With both the Hep C and the drinking, my liver would not have stood a chance.

Key word here is the first one GENERALLY. Here is the deal with cirrhosis. MOST people that have cirrhosis of the liver got it from drinking heavily not from hep c. We tend to forget that. We think hep c and of course we think of cirrhosis cause that's the bi-product. The folks that do damage from drinking and continue to drink are up a creek without a proverbial paddle. They are going to die from liver failure. PERIOD. The damage they do is done quickly. Cirrhosis from alcohol abuse is much faster than cirrhosis from hep c. Hep c is a slow acting pain in the butt. Where somebody who is drinking themselves to death can do it in a matter of months. Most of the time, the liver never has a chance to regenerate itself in those cases, but it has happened. In our case, we are dealing with a very slow cirrhosis. With alcohol as a

contributing factor it's much worse... this is why we preach at everyone to not drink when you have hep c cause it's a death sentence. It adds fire to the cirrhosis.

In our cases, we can reverse the damage. I no longer have cirrhotic tissue on my liver. It's gone. Hugs,TeriOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, debbiecurwick <debbiecurwick@...> wrote:

I found this in Wikipedia it states:

Generally, liver damage from cirrhosis cannot be reversed, but treatment could stop or delay further progression and reduce complications. A healthy diet is encouraged, as cirrhosis may be an energy-consuming process. Close follow-up is often necessary. Antibiotics will be prescribed for infections, and various medications can help with itching. Laxatives, such as lactulose, decrease risk of constipation; their role in preventing encephalopathy is limited.

And this from Medicinenet:

Cirrhosis is irreversible. Many patients' liver function will gradually worsen despite treatment and complications of cirrhosis will increase and become difficult to treat. Therefore, when cirrhosis is far advanced, liver transplantation often is the only option for treatment. Recent advances in surgical transplantation and medications to prevent infection and rejection of the transplanted liver have greatly improved survival after transplantation. On average, more than 80% of patients who receive transplants are alive after five years. Not everyone with cirrhosis is a candidate for transplantation. Furthermore, there is a shortage of livers to transplant, and there usually is a long (months to years) wait before a liver for transplanting becomes available. Therefore, measures to retard the progression of liver disease and treat and prevent complications of cirrhosis are vitally important.

If you have other info on this please share.

Debbie

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> Debbie, you say ny's liver will never go back to stage 1. But it's my understanding that if the hep is killed, with diet and lifestyle changes as necessary the liver will regenerate healthy tissue back to the point of a healthy liver. Am I misunderstanding this?

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Gloria, you would have been toast.  Between the two... Lordy.  On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Gloria <gadamscan@...> wrote:

 

Sure glad I quit drinking the same year that I believe that I was infected.  With both the Hep C and the drinking, my liver would not have stood a chance.

 

Key word here is the first one  GENERALLY.   Here is the deal with cirrhosis.  MOST people that have cirrhosis of the liver got it from drinking heavily not from hep c.  We tend to forget that.  We think hep c and of course we think of cirrhosis cause that's the bi-product.  The folks that do damage from drinking and continue to drink are up a creek without a proverbial paddle.  They are going to die from liver failure.  PERIOD.  The damage they do is done quickly.  Cirrhosis from alcohol abuse is much faster than cirrhosis from hep c.  Hep c is a slow acting pain in the butt.  Where somebody who is drinking themselves to death can do it in a matter of months.  Most of the time, the liver never has a chance to regenerate itself in those cases, but it has happened.  In our case, we are dealing with a very slow cirrhosis.  With alcohol as a

contributing factor it's much worse...  this is why we preach at everyone to not drink when you have hep c cause it's a death sentence.  It adds fire to the cirrhosis.  

In our cases, we can reverse the damage.  I no longer have cirrhotic tissue on my liver.  It's gone.  Hugs,TeriOn Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:21 PM, debbiecurwick <debbiecurwick@...> wrote:

 

I found this in Wikipedia it states:

Generally, liver damage from cirrhosis cannot be reversed, but treatment could stop or delay further progression and reduce complications. A healthy diet is encouraged, as cirrhosis may be an energy-consuming process. Close follow-up is often necessary. Antibiotics will be prescribed for infections, and various medications can help with itching. Laxatives, such as lactulose, decrease risk of constipation; their role in preventing encephalopathy is limited.

And this from Medicinenet:

Cirrhosis is irreversible. Many patients' liver function will gradually worsen despite treatment and complications of cirrhosis will increase and become difficult to treat. Therefore, when cirrhosis is far advanced, liver transplantation often is the only option for treatment. Recent advances in surgical transplantation and medications to prevent infection and rejection of the transplanted liver have greatly improved survival after transplantation. On average, more than 80% of patients who receive transplants are alive after five years. Not everyone with cirrhosis is a candidate for transplantation. Furthermore, there is a shortage of livers to transplant, and there usually is a long (months to years) wait before a liver for transplanting becomes available. Therefore, measures to retard the progression of liver disease and treat and prevent complications of cirrhosis are vitally important.

If you have other info on this please share.

Debbie

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> OK, just to make sure I understand this...

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> Debbie, you say ny's liver will never go back to stage 1. But it's my understanding that if the hep is killed, with diet and lifestyle changes as necessary the liver will regenerate healthy tissue back to the point of a healthy liver. Am I misunderstanding this?

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> Steve

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