Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Patty: I'm surprised to hear that Daryl didn't test positive for anything like me. She and I have the same symptoms and we both had implants for about the same number of years. She's still not all that well, if I recall correctly from her last post. Me, on the other hand, can function enough to go to work and take care of my house and son. I attribute that to the Azathioprine (Imuran) that I'm on. Maybe she should try that???? It only costs me $10 for one month's supply.....a lot cheaper than her $700 a month pain killers..........poor thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Patty I'd love to read what it says too! I wonder if we can find it on the net anywhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Patty Hey nna....I have that leaflet and was given it when I was implanted in July of 2000... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Thanks, Patty. PS Dr. Kolb just said the OTHER med Palquinil was more recommended. I only suggested it because I KNOW without it, I would be bedridden. I'm not against any drug (including pain patches) if they help me get going and survive. Life is waaaaaaaaaay too short to suffer in a bed and crying all the time!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:48 PM Subject: Re: DARYL , I talked to Daryl today and she is probably overwhelmed by the number of letters in her email box, since she has been out of town for awhile! anyway, the good news is that she has not had to use her pain patches since Father's Day, almost a month! That is such good news, such positive news to know that she has improved that much, even tho she still has some other remaining symptoms. But at 4 months post explant, I was not that much improved at all. I am so excited for her! My recovery was slow, slow, slow, so slow that I would feel like I was not making any headway at all, and would just cry on my husband's shoulder and get very depressed. It took a good 3 years before I felt like I was finally crawling out of my grave. I mean, I probably saw some improvements gradually, but it was so slow that it took hindsight to be able to look back and see the progress over time, such that now, 5 years post explant, I can say I am almost fully back to normal, and it was just a very long journey which I am glad is behind me. I want to encourage all of you who are getting explanted....do NOT be too anxious to feel healed fully. You may be feeling very good right away after explant, and I will be the first to rejoice with you over that. I do rejoice with all of you over the dancing in the garden! ha ha ha But just remember healing takes time, don't get discouraged if it seems that some of those symptoms are hanging around. , , me, Kathy, all of us can tell you that this healing thing takes months. But that is why we are here--to get through it together. Daryl will still be healing for awhile, but I would not ever suggest to her that she go on any drugs, and definitely not the drug Imuran. Didn't you say Dr. Kolb told you that it was not recommended? I think the less drugs we take, the better. It gives our organs, especially the liver, a chance to heal. Dr. Kolb told me once in a phone call that she never takes any drugs, and I agree with her that natural healing is the best way to go. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: DepoDeeva Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:05 PM Subject: DARYL Patty: I'm surprised to hear that Daryl didn't test positive for anything like me. She and I have the same symptoms and we both had implants for about the same number of years. She's still not all that well, if I recall correctly from her last post. Me, on the other hand, can function enough to go to work and take care of my house and son. I attribute that to the Azathioprine (Imuran) that I'm on. Maybe she should try that???? It only costs me $10 for one month's supply.....a lot cheaper than her $700 a month pain killers..........poor thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: Re: Patty I'd love to read what it says too! I wonder if we can find it on the net anywhere? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Patty Hey nna....I have that leaflet and was given it when I was implanted in July of 2000... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 I agree , I know that sometimes drugs can help you get through the worst of the pain or illness. was on pain pills during the worst of her illness, and I know she definitely agrees with you that sometimes it is the only way to live life without suffering so much. I am just so cautious about them. I never needed them, not even after explant, and frankly I am quite nervous about pain drugs because one of the ill ladies here in Vegas died from taking them. She left two small children, so very, very sad. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: DepoDeeva Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:14 AM Subject: Re: DARYL Thanks, Patty. PS Dr. Kolb just said the OTHER med Palquinil was more recommended. I only suggested it because I KNOW without it, I would be bedridden. I'm not against any drug (including pain patches) if they help me get going and survive. Life is waaaaaaaaaay too short to suffer in a bed and crying all the time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 Imuran is very toxic and while I agree with you that if it helps then it may be worth it, but I also feel strongly if you can get away with no meds it would be better. I also know that for me narcotics were a better option for pain control than drugs like plaquenil because those meds can have such horrible side effects, ie:hair loss, liver damage etc. everyone is unique though, and has to weigh the options. I am certainly not against anything that helps with ones quality of life. hugs all In , " DepoDeeva " <DepoReporter@c...> wrote: > Thanks, Patty. > > PS > Dr. Kolb just said the OTHER med Palquinil was more recommended. > > I only suggested it because I KNOW without it, I would be bedridden. I'm not against any drug (including pain patches) if they help me get going and survive. Life is waaaaaaaaaay too short to suffer in a bed and crying all the time!!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:48 PM > Subject: Re: DARYL > > > , > I talked to Daryl today and she is probably overwhelmed by the number of letters in her email box, since she has been out of town for awhile! anyway, the good news is that she has not had to use her pain patches since Father's Day, almost a month! That is such good news, such positive news to know that she has improved that much, even tho she still has some other remaining symptoms. But at 4 months post explant, I was not that much improved at all. I am so excited for her! > > My recovery was slow, slow, slow, so slow that I would feel like I was not making any headway at all, and would just cry on my husband's shoulder and get very depressed. It took a good 3 years before I felt like I was finally crawling out of my grave. I mean, I probably saw some improvements gradually, but it was so slow that it took hindsight to be able to look back and see the progress over time, such that now, 5 years post explant, I can say I am almost fully back to normal, and it was just a very long journey which I am glad is behind me. > > I want to encourage all of you who are getting explanted....do NOT be too anxious to feel healed fully. You may be feeling very good right away after explant, and I will be the first to rejoice with you over that. I do rejoice with all of you over the dancing in the garden! ha ha ha But just remember healing takes time, don't get discouraged if it seems that some of those symptoms are hanging around. , , me, Kathy, all of us can tell you that this healing thing takes months. But that is why we are here--to get through it together. Daryl will still be healing for awhile, but I would not ever suggest to her that she go on any drugs, and definitely not the drug Imuran. Didn't you say Dr. Kolb told you that it was not recommended? > > I think the less drugs we take, the better. It gives our organs, especially the liver, a chance to heal. Dr. Kolb told me once in a phone call that she never takes any drugs, and I agree with her that natural healing is the best way to go. > Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DepoDeeva > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: DARYL > > > Patty: > > I'm surprised to hear that Daryl didn't test positive for anything like me. > She and I have the same symptoms and we both had implants for about the same number of years. > > She's still not all that well, if I recall correctly from her last post. Me, on the other hand, can function enough to go to work and take care of my house and son. I attribute that to the Azathioprine (Imuran) that I'm on. > > Maybe she should try that???? It only costs me $10 for one month's supply.....a lot cheaper than her $700 a month pain killers..........poor thing! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Patty > > > I'd love to read what it says too! I wonder if we can find it on the net anywhere? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: Patty > > > Hey nna....I have that leaflet and was given it when I was implanted in July of 2000... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 I agree with you Paty on that one. I felt realy good the day after, and then slowly began to go down hill after explant, and actually felt much worse for a while.It was only after about the 3rd month, that slowly, I began to feel a little better every day, but only that was based on how great I was eating, (almost all my diet is 70% raw veggies, nuts,legumes,and organic fruits) detoxing, short fasts, exercise every day, and prayer. If I didnt eat right, I wouldnt give my body a chance to clean up my system, as it would have a new task of cleaning up the crap I ate. I would tell this to everybody: If you want to get better, you have to realize that the when eating alot of/or any.. refined, sugary or white flour products.this takes a large toll on your body to break down, and the digestion process can expend up to 80% of our bodys energy reserves. And only when you fast, or eat only raw natural foods, and make it much easier for your digestion process , like smooth sailing- do you give your body a break, and the opportunity to start to focus on cleaning up. This is why Patty fasts, and I have followed (although not as much I dont think!) because it realy works! I can tell I am getting better because now if I have a bad food meal, or even forget all my supplements for a day, I dont feel so terrible! The diet helped me to regain immunity against all the yeast overgrowth, and infections I was having, as well as for metals, and toxins. So to all, remember, if just an explant isnt doing it for you, remember to support your immnue system and give it the proper power, and nutrients to clean up. I am so glad I did. I was lost in the begining .Then, I followed alot of fasting advise from Patty, as well as Dr kolbs protol for eating and supplements, (www.plastikos.com) as well as enemas and detox, and leveling out my hormones. And I cant believe the dfference now. I am so thankful for the gals on this site, Dr Kolb, and most of all the Lord!He makes all things possible. Dont ever give up hope. nna >From: "*~Patty~*" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: DARYL >Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:48:42 -0700 > >, >I talked to Daryl today and she is probably overwhelmed by the number of letters in her email box, since she has been out of town for awhile! anyway, the good news is that she has not had to use her pain patches since Father's Day, almost a month! That is such good news, such positive news to know that she has improved that much, even tho she still has some other remaining symptoms. But at 4 months post explant, I was not that much improved at all. I am so excited for her! > >My recovery was slow, slow, slow, so slow that I would feel like I was not making any headway at all, and would just cry on my husband's shoulder and get very depressed. It took a good 3 years before I felt like I was finally crawling out of my grave. I mean, I probably saw some improvements gradually, but it was so slow that it took hindsight to be able to look back and see the progress over time, such that now, 5 years post explant, I can say I am almost fully back to normal, and it was just a very long journey which I am glad is behind me. > >I want to encourage all of you who are getting explanted....do NOT be too anxious to feel healed fully. You may be feeling very good right away after explant, and I will be the first to rejoice with you over that. I do rejoice with all of you over the dancing in the garden! ha ha ha But just remember healing takes time, don't get discouraged if it seems that some of those symptoms are hanging around. , , me, Kathy, all of us can tell you that this healing thing takes months. But that is why we are here--to get through it together. Daryl will still be healing for awhile, but I would not ever suggest to her that she go on any drugs, and definitely not the drug Imuran. Didn't you say Dr. Kolb told you that it was not recommended? > >I think the less drugs we take, the better. It gives our organs, especially the liver, a chance to heal. Dr. Kolb told me once in a phone call that she never takes any drugs, and I agree with her that natural healing is the best way to go. >Patty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DepoDeeva > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:05 PM > Subject: DARYL > > > Patty: > > I'm surprised to hear that Daryl didn't test positive for anything like me. > She and I have the same symptoms and we both had implants for about the same number of years. > > She's still not all that well, if I recall correctly from her last post. Me, on the other hand, can function enough to go to work and take care of my house and son. I attribute that to the Azathioprine (Imuran) that I'm on. > > Maybe she should try that???? It only costs me $10 for one month's supply.....a lot cheaper than her $700 a month pain killers..........poor thing! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: Patty > > > I'd love to read what it says too! I wonder if we can find it on the net anywhere? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: Patty > > > Hey nna....I have that leaflet and was given it when I was implanted in July of 2000... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 Hi, . You're back :-) How was your trip to SF? ----- Original Message ----- From: naturalbeauty38 Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: Re: DARYL Imuran is very toxic and while I agree with you that if it helps then it may be worth it, but I also feel strongly if you can get away with no meds it would be better. I also know that for me narcotics were a better option for pain control than drugs like plaquenil because those meds can have such horrible side effects, ie:hair loss, liver damage etc. everyone is unique though, and has to weigh the options.I am certainly not against anything that helps with ones quality of life.hugs allIn , "DepoDeeva" <DepoReporter@c...> wrote:> Thanks, Patty.> > PS> Dr. Kolb just said the OTHER med Palquinil was more recommended.> > I only suggested it because I KNOW without it, I would be bedridden. I'm not against any drug (including pain patches) if they help me get going and survive. Life is waaaaaaaaaay too short to suffer in a bed and crying all the time!!!> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:48 PM> Subject: Re: DARYL> > > ,> I talked to Daryl today and she is probably overwhelmed by the number of letters in her email box, since she has been out of town for awhile! anyway, the good news is that she has not had to use her pain patches since Father's Day, almost a month! That is such good news, such positive news to know that she has improved that much, even tho she still has some other remaining symptoms. But at 4 months post explant, I was not that much improved at all. I am so excited for her!> > My recovery was slow, slow, slow, so slow that I would feel like I was not making any headway at all, and would just cry on my husband's shoulder and get very depressed. It took a good 3 years before I felt like I was finally crawling out of my grave. I mean, I probably saw some improvements gradually, but it was so slow that it took hindsight to be able to look back and see the progress over time, such that now, 5 years post explant, I can say I am almost fully back to normal, and it was just a very long journey which I am glad is behind me. > > I want to encourage all of you who are getting explanted....do NOT be too anxious to feel healed fully. You may be feeling very good right away after explant, and I will be the first to rejoice with you over that. I do rejoice with all of you over the dancing in the garden! ha ha ha But just remember healing takes time, don't get discouraged if it seems that some of those symptoms are hanging around. , , me, Kathy, all of us can tell you that this healing thing takes months. But that is why we are here--to get through it together. Daryl will still be healing for awhile, but I would not ever suggest to her that she go on any drugs, and definitely not the drug Imuran. Didn't you say Dr. Kolb told you that it was not recommended?> > I think the less drugs we take, the better. It gives our organs, especially the liver, a chance to heal. Dr. Kolb told me once in a phone call that she never takes any drugs, and I agree with her that natural healing is the best way to go. > Patty> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DepoDeeva > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:05 PM> Subject: DARYL> > > Patty:> > I'm surprised to hear that Daryl didn't test positive for anything like me.> She and I have the same symptoms and we both had implants for about the same number of years. > > She's still not all that well, if I recall correctly from her last post. Me, on the other hand, can function enough to go to work and take care of my house and son. I attribute that to the Azathioprine (Imuran) that I'm on.> > Maybe she should try that???? It only costs me $10 for one month's supply.....a lot cheaper than her $700 a month pain killers..........poor thing!> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:56 PM> Subject: Re: Patty> > > I'd love to read what it says too! I wonder if we can find it on the net anywhere?> ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:31 PM> Subject: Re: Patty> > > Hey nna....I have that leaflet and was given it when I was implanted in July of 2000...> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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