Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 I agree Tats....but I think the stimulant level of smoking decreases the more we smoke. I know it does relieve a stressful situation. But then I have opposite reactions to some drugs anyway, talk about backwards. When I was about 19 I took a mandrax pill, my boyfriend slept 2 days and I was up all night cleaning the walls cuz I ran out of floor space to clean....then I went to work and got a normal days work done by noon....now I'm lucky if I can dust and vacuum on the same day LOL. Carol Re: Commit (Anne) but you're right smoking does tend to lower my stress level and my blood pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 I agree Tats....but I think the stimulant level of smoking decreases the more we smoke. I know it does relieve a stressful situation. But then I have opposite reactions to some drugs anyway, talk about backwards. When I was about 19 I took a mandrax pill, my boyfriend slept 2 days and I was up all night cleaning the walls cuz I ran out of floor space to clean....then I went to work and got a normal days work done by noon....now I'm lucky if I can dust and vacuum on the same day LOL. Carol Re: Commit (Anne) but you're right smoking does tend to lower my stress level and my blood pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 In a message dated 7/8/2004 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tatezi@... writes: The interesting thing is that nicotine is a stimulant. So it shouldn't lower stress levels or blood pressure. I I know. Weird, huh.............Surgery and cumidin. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 In a message dated 7/8/2004 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tatezi@... writes: The interesting thing is that nicotine is a stimulant. So it shouldn't lower stress levels or blood pressure. I I know. Weird, huh.............Surgery and cumidin. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 I am not a smoker, but in preparation for my upcoming surgery this winter, am reading a book on scoliosis surgery and it is advised quite strongly that anyone who is a smoker who gets scoliosis surgery should quit atleast several months prior to the surgery because spines don't tend to fuse well in smokers. -Roslyn >From: " unweary " <unweary@...> >Reply-Scoliosis Treatment >Scoliosis Treatment >Subject: smoking >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:20:44 -0000 > >Has anybody been a smoker and had surgery? > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 I've never heard of a surgeon who will attempt a long fusion on anyone who smokes. -- > >From: " unweary " <unweary@y...> > >Reply-Scoliosis Treatment > >Scoliosis Treatment > >Subject: smoking > >Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:20:44 -0000 > > > >Has anybody been a smoker and had surgery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 , " unweary " <unweary@y...> wrote: > Has anybody been a smoker and had surgery? Hi, I was an avid smoker for many years but I was able to quit 4 months before my surgeries (47 y.o.then). I had several " retired " smokers from another scoliosis group advise me that there was a 40% chance the fusion would not take if I was still smoking, and that the hours of anesthesia on a smoker's lungs was an additional burden. My surgeon at the time said that he had operated on a few active smokers but his recommendation was to quit before if possible. I have heard from others on this list that some surgeons will not operate on a smoker, I guess it is up to the individual and their doctor to work this out. Good luck and if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I am more than happy to help which ever path you choose. ...... 4 years, still not smoking )) miss it some at times, but not enough to go back, so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus years ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I was stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm enough with myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never wanted to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I don't enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet. But soon, I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy smoker, if that's a plus...LOL We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice, safety in numbers? Love ya, Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12 years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained 60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints, I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though. I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL I might as well give up on the diets. Wishing you all a great afternoon. Dar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Isn't it amazing how much more alike we are than different? Hugs, Connie Re: Smoking I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12 years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained 60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints, I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though. I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL I might as well give up on the diets. Wishing you all a great afternoon. Dar What can changing the way you breathe do for you? Everything! See why tens of thousands agree, Life Lift is the best! http://www.oxygenzoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Dar, I quit more than 4 years ago (5 years this February 1st) and while I didn't gain any weight, I find that every once in a while a cigarette will smell so good! Then I think of all I've gone through to quit and how much I still struggle with cardio and I KNOW I will never smoke again. LL really helps me with my breathing, but to this day I still can't hold my breath for long periods of time without breathing very hard afterwards. The one thing positive I've noticed is that when I do get winded, I come back to normal very quickly....yes! with love, Jenni Proud Air Force Mom! May God guide and protect our troops! Re: Smoking I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12 years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained 60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints, I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though. I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL I might as well give up on the diets. Wishing you all a great afternoon. Dar What can changing the way you breathe do for you? Everything! See why tens of thousands agree, Life Lift is the best! http://www.oxygenzoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Awwwwww Kiki, Well, I know that I quit about 200 times...probably more. Often every evening I would put out my last cigarette and say that's it I'm never going to smoke again. It's so hard to quit. You might want to look into Zyban. My sweet husband calls it a miracle drug. He never ever thought I would quit after 30 years of smoking. It was a wonderful time when I quit....it actually made me forget to smoke! Go figure LOL with love, Jenni Proud Air Force Mom! May God guide and protect our troops! Re: Re: Smoking Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus years ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I was stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm enough with myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never wanted to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I don't enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet. But soon, I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy smoker, if that's a plus...LOL We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice, safety in numbers? Love ya, Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 I did the Zyban thing too, Jenni. I quit several (or maybe it was 200 times too) , When you get ready Kiki, you will quit. My husband smokes like a fiend and sometimes I feel like jumping on him and taking that cig away and smoking it myself, BUT I have a cookie instead. He says overweight is as bad as smoking. Hugs~ Connie Re: Re: Smoking Awwwwww Kiki, Well, I know that I quit about 200 times...probably more. Often every evening I would put out my last cigarette and say that's it I'm never going to smoke again. It's so hard to quit. You might want to look into Zyban. My sweet husband calls it a miracle drug. He never ever thought I would quit after 30 years of smoking. It was a wonderful time when I quit....it actually made me forget to smoke! Go figure LOL with love, Jenni Proud Air Force Mom! May God guide and protect our troops! Re: Re: Smoking Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus years ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I was stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm enough with myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never wanted to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I don't enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet. But soon, I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy smoker, if that's a plus...LOL We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice, safety in numbers? Love ya, Kiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 I also quit I don't know how many times. Then this older man I knew said he was going to quit by using the nicotine patches that came out. He had gone one whole day and then I told him if he could quit then so could I! I went and got the patches and had them on for five days (didn't even want a cigarette!!! - a miracle). Then on the sixth day I broke out in the worst rash I've ever had, from my neck to my toes. Itching and burning like you wouldn't believe. It got so bad at night I went to Emergency and they took my patch away, said I had an anaphylactic reaction to the patch. They sent me to a specialist the next day and he said it was more likely that my whole body went into shock from the stress of going without nicotine for five days but to be safe stay away from the patches. Anyway, by then I was too stubborn to start again, although there were three separate days during the first year that I actually had a cigarette in my mouth and the lighter halfway up to it. But I contained myself and haven't touched one in 12 years!! The sad thing is that the friend who spurred me on to quitting started smoking again after the third day on the patch and he smoked and wore the patch. The next year he was smoking through a tracheotomy hole in his throat and the next year he was dead! Boy am I glad I quit even though I did get fat! It may have taken 23 years to quit but I did it and I am proud of myself. If anyone here is quitting, good luck to you. (it's not as bad as you may think it will be -at least for me it wasn't)And keep praying for God to give you strength. You know, I actually laugh a lot since I quit, before that if I tried to laugh I starting coughing and hacking. So laugh and live and breathe!!! Dar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 That was wonderful and inspiring. Thank You for sharing. Hugs~ Connie Re: Smoking I also quit I don't know how many times. Then this older man I knew said he was going to quit by using the nicotine patches that came out. He had gone one whole day and then I told him if he could quit then so could I! I went and got the patches and had them on for five days (didn't even want a cigarette!!! - a miracle). Then on the sixth day I broke out in the worst rash I've ever had, from my neck to my toes. Itching and burning like you wouldn't believe. It got so bad at night I went to Emergency and they took my patch away, said I had an anaphylactic reaction to the patch. They sent me to a specialist the next day and he said it was more likely that my whole body went into shock from the stress of going without nicotine for five days but to be safe stay away from the patches. Anyway, by then I was too stubborn to start again, although there were three separate days during the first year that I actually had a cigarette in my mouth and the lighter halfway up to it. But I contained myself and haven't touched one in 12 years!! The sad thing is that the friend who spurred me on to quitting started smoking again after the third day on the patch and he smoked and wore the patch. The next year he was smoking through a tracheotomy hole in his throat and the next year he was dead! Boy am I glad I quit even though I did get fat! It may have taken 23 years to quit but I did it and I am proud of myself. If anyone here is quitting, good luck to you. (it's not as bad as you may think it will be -at least for me it wasn't)And keep praying for God to give you strength. You know, I actually laugh a lot since I quit, before that if I tried to laugh I starting coughing and hacking. So laugh and live and breathe!!! Dar What can changing the way you breathe do for you? Everything! See why tens of thousands agree, Life Lift is the best! http://www.oxygenzoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Or perhaps it’s time to quit??????? Love, De Smoking A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert. SuZie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful. SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote: Or perhaps it’s time to quit??????? Love, De -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert. SuZie Next time I'm coming back as a cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 As a Smoker, I make it a point not to ever lay down and smoke.....So glad your ok Suzie! RE: Smoking Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful. SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote: Or perhaps it’s time to quit??????? Love, De -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert. SuZie Next time I'm coming back as a cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I do not smoke at all if I am tired or laying down.I don't let my husband or myself smoke in the bedroom anymore cause my husband would fall alseep with a cigarette,so I put a stop to that after several sheets got holes in them.I am careful. Gail http://deveauxkennels.tk mailto:gaila@... -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of suzieSent: July 26, 2005 4:06 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: Smoking Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful. SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote: Or perhaps it's time to quit??????? Love, De -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert. SuZie Next time I'm coming back as a cat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 We only smoke outside because my two little ones have asthma. I am grateful, because I now notice when people have smoked inside their house - the smell really sticks. Gail Deveaux <gaila@...> wrote: I do not smoke at all if I am tired or laying down.I don't let my husband or myself smoke in the bedroom anymore cause my husband would fall alseep with a cigarette,so I put a stop to that after several sheets got holes in them.I am careful. Gail http://deveauxkennels.tk mailto:gaila@... -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of suzieSent: July 26, 2005 4:06 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: Smoking Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful. SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote: Or perhaps it's time to quit??????? Love, De -----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert. SuZie Next time I'm coming back as a cat __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Smoking Mitch, Give the Zyban a try, it worked really well for me. Had to see the smoking advisor type woman but that was OK as I knew her anyway. I just slowly gave up, bit by bit. Changed the routine a little bit (when I was off work I would sit in a none smoking cafe. If it was smoking, I would have had three fags whilst reading the paper. 'Our Lass' went on the patches and successfully gave up. Yes, you do need to want to give up but I found it a lot easier than I thought it would be (I gave up for 18 months once before and got back on them worse than ever). Neither of us has touched a smoke since! I had a couple of odd days when I stopped taking it but it was well worth it. I haven't wanted to smoke since the day I had the last smoke & I was on 40 + a day. Loads of money now! > " I am apparently not as susceptible to suggestion as I first thought, >although just after sex ill say yes to whatever the wife says, so hypnosis >is blown for me " .< With me it is before but not after, I'm to busy sleeping after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 sarah. I too read the article in the Observer today with interest. Whilst I endorse employers being aware of the risks of their staff and trying to provide a safe working environment, it is going to be a difficult one. Most times folk say such things as `do you mind?` or wait until you have gone, you can usually tell by the piles of ash near the front /back door where people smoke... As you say there are many other `health risks` such as animals, drinking tea in suspect china and sitting on furniture that is less than ideal. I wonder what the risk assessments are going to be on all the other aspects of the job, visiting in homes, and who will do them? No sticky left over food on my sofa when the welfare people come! Jeanette Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice. I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship, asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to smoking in the home. what do others think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 There was a motion at CPHVA Conference this year re this form South Devon which was remitted and was to be discussed at next Exec meeting-unsure if it was and what the outcome was not sure if these decisions are reported in the Journal if taken at exec level-but feel they should be. the motion proposed that PCT's and local authorities pursue a policy whereby all staff business cards and official letters giving appointments to clients/patients, carry wording that asks " Please could you refrain from smoking whilst our staff are present " and to enlist the support of the wider union through it's amicus Members of Parliament to implement this. Our centre voted against this at our centre meeting as we felt it was a bit Big Brotherish and that we where skilled enough to manage those sorts of situations respectfully with our clients anyway. We felt it could be counter-productive in some situations to have those sorts of messages sent out prior to our visit. Not the sort of tone we wished to set. As you have noted there are often worse hazards and smells we have to face in clients homes. Many people live in chaos and squalor and some have very low levels of hygiene, not to mention dogs and cats that may foul indoors!!! Very few HV's where I work have printed business cards anyway. We have blank cards with the Trust Logo etc on it and we hand write on these as we don't use them that often. Some PCT's obviously have more money that ours!!! Best wishes] Maggie smoking >I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official > policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an > hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during > the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace > is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the > unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the > most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice. > > I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the > professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the > home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the > rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further > than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship, > asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional > is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? > > At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is > unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due > next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who > complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any > restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be > extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote > against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to > smoking in the home. > > what do others think? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 There was a motion at CPHVA Conference this year re this form South Devon which was remitted and was to be discussed at next Exec meeting-unsure if it was and what the outcome was not sure if these decisions are reported in the Journal if taken at exec level-but feel they should be. the motion proposed that PCT's and local authorities pursue a policy whereby all staff business cards and official letters giving appointments to clients/patients, carry wording that asks " Please could you refrain from smoking whilst our staff are present " and to enlist the support of the wider union through it's amicus Members of Parliament to implement this. Our centre voted against this at our centre meeting as we felt it was a bit Big Brotherish and that we where skilled enough to manage those sorts of situations respectfully with our clients anyway. We felt it could be counter-productive in some situations to have those sorts of messages sent out prior to our visit. Not the sort of tone we wished to set. As you have noted there are often worse hazards and smells we have to face in clients homes. Many people live in chaos and squalor and some have very low levels of hygiene, not to mention dogs and cats that may foul indoors!!! Very few HV's where I work have printed business cards anyway. We have blank cards with the Trust Logo etc on it and we hand write on these as we don't use them that often. Some PCT's obviously have more money that ours!!! Best wishes] Maggie smoking >I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official > policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an > hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during > the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace > is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the > unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the > most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice. > > I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the > professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the > home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the > rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further > than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship, > asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional > is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? > > At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is > unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due > next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who > complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any > restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be > extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote > against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to > smoking in the home. > > what do others think? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 > Hi, , this got me going. Ha! i can imaging some of the people i visit reacting happily to me requesting they don't smoke around when i am visiting, would get told to f... off out their house then, and that's with a good relationship! It is a price we pay, thankfully even working in a tough area i do not that often have to sit in smoky atmospheres, people almost always are smoking outside, out the window or actually do hold off until i go. it is a small number that have no grasp of other people's situation and are uneasy perhaps at a professional being in their place anyway. Also, where do we draw the line, smoking? or can we ban people from making sexually explicit suggestions to us, or sexually 'harassing' comments. I visit alot of Gypsy Traveelers and whilst are most pretty polite, i do not infrequently get the 'well, i've got something much more interesting for you if you want to come upstairs with me...!' and all that sort of stuff. Can we expect to be proteceted against all risks? No, it is a price we pay for all the good stuff about working in communities. I'd sooner continue on, with my eyes wide open, choosing how and with whom to build relationships with, for any particular reason, not have people alientated for me by distant bureaucrats. regards Xena > I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official > policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an > hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during > the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace > is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the > unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the > most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice. > > I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the > professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the > home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the > rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further > than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship, > asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional > is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? > > At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is > unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due > next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who > complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any > restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be > extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote > against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to > smoking in the home. > > what do others think? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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