Smoking

[Guest guest]

I'm glad I'm not alone, Xena! Perhaps a general comment on

information/visiting cards of the kind Jeanette described, may be

acceptable, if only because it can be judiciously ignored by

practitioners (but that's another whole can of worms, I suppose).

xenadion01 wrote:

Hi, , this got me going. Ha! i can imaging some of the people i visit reacting happily to me requesting they don't smoke around when i am visiting, would get told to f... off out their house then, and that's with a good relationship! It is a price we pay, thankfully even working in a tough area i do not that often have to sit in smoky atmospheres, people almost always are smoking outside, out the window or actually do hold off until i go. it is a small number that have no grasp of other people's situation and are uneasy perhaps at a professional being in their place anyway. Also, where do we draw the line, smoking? or can we ban people from making sexually explicit suggestions to us, or sexually 'harassing' comments. I visit alot of Gypsy Traveelers and whilst are most pretty polite, i do not infrequently get the 'well, i've got something much more interesting for you if you want to come upstairs with me...!' and all that sort of stuff. Can we expect to be proteceted against all risks? No, it is a price we pay for all the good stuff about working in communities. I'd sooner continue on, with my eyes wide open, choosing how and with whom to build relationships with, for any particular reason, not have people alientated for me by distant bureaucrats.

regards

Xena

I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an

official

policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least

an

hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and

during

the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's

workplace

is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far

from the

most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in

practice.

I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that

the

home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over

the

rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step

further

than, within the context of a good professional/client

relationship,

asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the

professional

is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places

due

next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those

who

complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will

soon be

extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to smoking in the home. what do others think?

[Guest guest]

From Lund-Lack

I don't want to been seen as the 'health police' but..........passive smoking in the work place is a serious public health issue. I've come out of houses thick with smoke and there are members of staff who are very reluctant to go into such houses because they have asthma and chest problems. There is also the matter of the lingering smell in ones clothes and in the car! I sometimes have to apologise to other clients for the smell and hope that they don't mind me getting up close to their new baby. It seems there has to be a compromise. A respect for privacy and family choices in the home but an understanding by clients that NHS workers providing a service in the home need protection form passive smoking. As public health nurses we are supposing to be encouraging smoking cessation are people now saying we have to turn a blind eye? Our trust has recently put out a policy about smoking on NHS premises and smoking in the car during work hours. If clients are going to be advised of the smoking ban on NHS premises surely the next step is to ask politely if they would not light up whilst receiving a home visit.

Re: Re: smoking

I'm glad I'm not alone, Xena! Perhaps a general comment on information/visiting cards of the kind Jeanette described, may be acceptable, if only because it can be judiciously ignored by practitioners (but that's another whole can of worms, I suppose). xenadion01 wrote:

Hi, , this got me going. Ha! i can imaging some of the people i visit reacting happily to me requesting they don't smoke around when i am visiting, would get told to f... off out their house then, and that's with a good relationship! It is a price we pay, thankfully even working in a tough area i do not that often have to sit in smoky atmospheres, people almost always are smoking outside, out the window or actually do hold off until i go. it is a small number that have no grasp of other people's situation and are uneasy perhaps at a professional being in their place anyway. Also, where do we draw the line, smoking? or can we ban people from making sexually explicit suggestions to us, or sexually 'harassing' comments. I visit alot of Gypsy Traveelers and whilst are most pretty polite, i do not infrequently get the 'well, i've got something much more interesting for you if you want to come upstairs with me...!' and all that sort of stuff. Can we expect to be proteceted against all risks? No, it is a price we pay for all the good stuff about working in communities. I'd sooner continue on, with my eyes wide open, choosing how and with whom to build relationships with, for any particular reason, not have people alientated for me by distant bureaucrats.

regards

Xena

I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official

policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an

hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during

the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace

is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the

most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice.

I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the

home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the

rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further

than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship,

asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional

is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due

next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who

complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be

extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to smoking in the home. what do others think?

[Guest guest]

Interestingly when I was training Child and Family Nurses in one part of Australia I was shocked to hear that they had a health and safety policy that meant that they had to ask clients on the telephone if they had dogs and if they smoked. A positive answer to either of these questions meant that they might not home visit depending on the outcome of trying to negotiate dogs being shut away and a non-smoking atmosphere being provided. My feeling is that a spirit of partnership should prevail but that there needs to be at least the seeds of a trusting relationship with the client before you can start to negotiate what might be more comfortable for you as a guest in their home. I think that beginning a relationship by making a number of demands for your benefit might not be beneficial in the long run especially for the more hard to reach families.

Best wishes,

Re: Re: smoking

I'm glad I'm not alone, Xena! Perhaps a general comment on information/visiting cards of the kind Jeanette described, may be acceptable, if only because it can be judiciously ignored by practitioners (but that's another whole can of worms, I suppose). xenadion01 wrote:

Hi, , this got me going. Ha! i can imaging some of the people i visit reacting happily to me requesting they don't smoke around when i am visiting, would get told to f... off out their house then, and that's with a good relationship! It is a price we pay, thankfully even working in a tough area i do not that often have to sit in smoky atmospheres, people almost always are smoking outside, out the window or actually do hold off until i go. it is a small number that have no grasp of other people's situation and are uneasy perhaps at a professional being in their place anyway. Also, where do we draw the line, smoking? or can we ban people from making sexually explicit suggestions to us, or sexually 'harassing' comments. I visit alot of Gypsy Traveelers and whilst are most pretty polite, i do not infrequently get the 'well, i've got something much more interesting for you if you want to come upstairs with me...!' and all that sort of stuff. Can we expect to be proteceted against all risks? No, it is a price we pay for all the good stuff about working in communities. I'd sooner continue on, with my eyes wide open, choosing how and with whom to build relationships with, for any particular reason, not have people alientated for me by distant bureaucrats.

regards

Xena

I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official

policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an

hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during

the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace

is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the

most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice.

I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the

home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the

rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further

than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship,

asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional

is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish? At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due

next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who

complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be

extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to smoking in the home. what do others think?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for putting a different view . I am always a bit worried

when a controversial idea is floated on Senate and only one opinion

comes up: it is good to debate issues as it makes us think more

clearly about them. I think this is a really difficult one, because of

the competing needs that you set out: individuals' right to choose,

the health and safety of workers and the overall culture of accepting

or not accepting smoking.

I remain convinced that we should not be 'dictating' to people in their

own home, which is where I had a problem with the RCN approach reported

in last week's Observer (it may have just been the reporting, I guess),

which was suggesting compulsion. Either you comply with NHS policies,

by not smoking, or you get no home care service. That seems to be a

recipe for increased inequalities: those who most need the help would

reject the services, rather than put up with being told what to do in

this way. One of the key reasons that health visiting came into being,

was as a complement to the top-down, regulatory, 'health protection'

approach, which (as recognised even if n times) would not be

applicable in people's homes.

So, raising the issue when it seems the right time, asking people not

to smoke whilst a worker is present if it seems possible to do so

without causing offence, putting out a general request on NHS

information etc. all seem reasonable and ways of possibly getting into

a conversation about the help available for the smoker to quit if he or

she wants. Or, equally, not raising it if it is completely the wrong

moment to do so, or if the worker feels that it would cause anger,

hostility or simply prevent the development of a trusting,

non-judgemental relationship between client and worker. Blanket

rejection of a person's right to support or to health care because of

their (smoking) behaviour does not seem right to me.

Perhaps I am still not paying enough attention to the rights of workers

to a smoke-free environment, or perhaps the compromises made by the

Trust should include things like allowing practitioners enough time to

ensure that they have choices about where and who to visit on their

caseload, so they do not have to visit two or three very smoky homes in

a row, or so they could visit the smokiest at the end of a shift etc.

I suppose the 'person's own home' issue is even more relevant for, for

example, permanent residents in care or nursing homes, prisons, long

term supported facilities of any kind. Does anyone know how those are

managed? Or have any other suggestions about coping with this knotty

issue?

best wishes

Tom Lund-Lack wrote:

From Lund-Lack

I don't want to been seen as the 'health police'

but..........passive smoking in the work place is a serious public

health issue. I've come out of houses thick with smoke and there are

members of staff who are very reluctant to go into such houses because

they have asthma and chest problems. There is also the matter of the

lingering smell in ones clothes and in the car! I sometimes have to

apologise to other clients for the smell and hope that they don't mind

me getting up close to their new baby. It seems there has to be a

compromise. A respect for privacy and family choices in the home but

an understanding by clients that NHS workers providing a service in the

home need protection form passive smoking. As public health nurses we

are supposing to be encouraging smoking cessation are people now saying

we have to turn a blind eye? Our trust has recently put out a policy

about smoking on NHS premises and smoking in the car during work hours.

If clients are going to be advised of the smoking ban on NHS premises

surely the next step is to ask politely if they would not light up

whilst receiving a home visit.

[Guest guest]

Thanks . Perhaps this is where the idea originated from. I

can't help thinking of the Climbie case, where social

workers refused to visit in case they caught scabies. I wonder,

thinking back to the earlier discussion about accountability, who would

be accountable if there was a child protection (or elder abuse) case,

where health care had been refused on the grounds of a dog or a smoker

being present?

C. Bidmead wrote:

Interestingly when I was training Child and Family Nurses in one

part of Australia I was shocked to hear that they had a health and

safety policy that meant that they had to ask clients on the telephone

if they had dogs and if they smoked. A positive answer to either of

these questions meant that they might not home visit depending on the

outcome of trying to negotiate dogs being shut away and a non-smoking

atmosphere being provided. My feeling is that a spirit of partnership

should prevail but that there needs to be at least the seeds of a

trusting relationship with the client before you can start to negotiate

what might be more comfortable for you as a guest in their home. I

think that beginning a relationship by making a number of demands for

your benefit might not be beneficial in the long run especially for the

more hard to reach families.

Best wishes,

[Guest guest]

From Lund-Lack

I completely understand where you are coming from and as a wife of a smoker am I not in the obssesive anti-smoking camp at all. All I would say is that there is clash of interests here and both have equal importance.

Re: Re: smoking

Thanks for putting a different view . I am always a bit worried when a controversial idea is floated on Senate and only one opinion comes up: it is good to debate issues as it makes us think more clearly about them. I think this is a really difficult one, because of the competing needs that you set out: individuals' right to choose, the health and safety of workers and the overall culture of accepting or not accepting smoking. I remain convinced that we should not be 'dictating' to people in their own home, which is where I had a problem with the RCN approach reported in last week's Observer (it may have just been the reporting, I guess), which was suggesting compulsion. Either you comply with NHS policies, by not smoking, or you get no home care service. That seems to be a recipe for increased inequalities: those who most need the help would reject the services, rather than put up with being told what to do in this way. One of the key reasons that health visiting came into being, was as a complement to the top-down, regulatory, 'health protection' approach, which (as recognised even if n times) would not be applicable in people's homes. So, raising the issue when it seems the right time, asking people not to smoke whilst a worker is present if it seems possible to do so without causing offence, putting out a general request on NHS information etc. all seem reasonable and ways of possibly getting into a conversation about the help available for the smoker to quit if he or she wants. Or, equally, not raising it if it is completely the wrong moment to do so, or if the worker feels that it would cause anger, hostility or simply prevent the development of a trusting, non-judgemental relationship between client and worker. Blanket rejection of a person's right to support or to health care because of their (smoking) behaviour does not seem right to me. Perhaps I am still not paying enough attention to the rights of workers to a smoke-free environment, or perhaps the compromises made by the Trust should include things like allowing practitioners enough time to ensure that they have choices about where and who to visit on their caseload, so they do not have to visit two or three very smoky homes in a row, or so they could visit the smokiest at the end of a shift etc. I suppose the 'person's own home' issue is even more relevant for, for example, permanent residents in care or nursing homes, prisons, long term supported facilities of any kind. Does anyone know how those are managed? Or have any other suggestions about coping with this knotty issue? best wishesTom Lund-Lack wrote:

From Lund-Lack

I don't want to been seen as the 'health police' but..........passive smoking in the work place is a serious public health issue. I've come out of houses thick with smoke and there are members of staff who are very reluctant to go into such houses because they have asthma and chest problems. There is also the matter of the lingering smell in ones clothes and in the car! I sometimes have to apologise to other clients for the smell and hope that they don't mind me getting up close to their new baby. It seems there has to be a compromise. A respect for privacy and family choices in the home but an understanding by clients that NHS workers providing a service in the home need protection form passive smoking. As public health nurses we are supposing to be encouraging smoking cessation are people now saying we have to turn a blind eye? Our trust has recently put out a policy about smoking on NHS premises and smoking in the car during work hours. If clients are going to be advised of the smoking ban on NHS premises surely the next step is to ask politely if they would not light up whilst receiving a home visit.

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[Guest guest]

-The downside is that even if you don't smoke, many people are

subject to passive smoking too.

-- In achalasia , " Ann " <lilac_blossom_lady@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sandy,

>

> I wa so moved by your post. You really opened up your heart and

shared

> some very intimate feelings with us there. And I felt your

sincerity

> and passion. It also gave me a new perspective on things. I have

always

> been aware that no one is an island and what they are and what they

do

> will always have an effect on other people, but you described it so

> well.

>

> I related to your mention of smoking. My Husband smokes a lot and I

> have spent many years trying to encourage him to cut down, to no

avail.

> You (I suppose you should say " one " but it sounds so formal). " One "

gets

> to the point when " one " thinks it is HIS body and his life to

destroy as

> he wants, but at that point you feel as if you are giving up. It's

a no

> win situation. I am eternally glad that I have never smoked. I

hate to

> think what sort of state my oesophagus would be in now if I did, and

> would only have myself to blame.

>

> Does any one want to confess to being a smoker? A word of warning

for

> you if you do. You might get some of us shouting at you to stop.

>

> Love to you Sandy, from Ann xx

>

> > >

> > > Thanks for all the info everyone!

> > >

> > > We live outside St. Louis by an hour. I'm sure there must be

someone

> > > there who is good...

> > >

> > > I'm thinking that my husband will just opt to live with this. He

> > > certainly manages to get the food in him...at 38, he's 275 and

6'2 " !

> > >

> > > It is very hard to see him stretch out his neck and make this

> > > horrible grimace (from the pain of having the food stuck in

there

> > > not going down!). Once, I asked God to let me know how it felt

for

> > > him, because I was getting annoyed with watching him struggle

> > > through this thinking, " He's probably not even chewing well

enough,

> > > mutton-head " : O Boy, the next day I was eating and I swallowed

and

> > > it felt like it lodged in my chest. I immediately felt panic

and it

> > > hurt like crazy then I gulped a bunch of water and...well. I

won't

> > > be so annoyed anymore! It is horrible!

> > >

> > > I am really concerned because he has sleep apnea...so he is at

risk

> > > for heart issues plus it is in his family history.

> > > He also falls asleep whenever, very easily despite wearing a C-

Pap

> > > at night for it.

> > > He seems to cough a lot, you know, like you swallowed saliva

wrong

> > > etc. I say, " Choking on spit again? " " Yep. "

> > >

> > > His complaints of chest pain on the right side has been

dismissed by

> > > doctors around here. They don't seem to know why he gets these

> > > unpleasant tightness/pain that goes up into his jaw and back

> > > teeth...which he just named " heartburn " for lack of a better

> > > description. He has a weird thing going on with his heartbeat

while

> > > all this is going on. A doctor heard it once and gave him an

EKG and

> > > said it was fine...

> > > Potporri and strong cologne can bring on this chest thingy...and

> > > popcorn.

> > >

> > > I'm thinking achalasia AND esophageal spasms-which I read can

affect

> > > right side-Thoughts? Opinions?

> > >

> > > How did you individually decide when enough was enough and force

> > > yourselves to go through the " treatment " for all this?

> > >

> > > Thanks for the help!

> > > Mobunny6

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Alice,

Well, I will only speak for myself then. I smoked three packs of

Kools and Marlboros for 23 years and was mercifully delivered from the

entire habit after having some " mumbo jumbo " incanted over me on the

first weekend of January 1991. I am grateful and alive. And I know it

wasn't the nicotine but the underlying anger and rage and sadness that

fueled my smoking habit.

Yes, of course, there are a lot of negative physiological effects that

I have sustained as a result of the various ingredients of cigarettes,

but that fact does not take away the source of the addiction to MY

smoking anyway.

Grateful to be a nonsmoker,

Debbie Y

[Guest guest]

How long, after you quit, does nicotine stay in the bloodstream?

I've just quit and want to start getting healthier.

Medically the nicotine is gone in 72 to 96 hours unless you receive

it from second-hand smoke such as bars, closed rooms, etc.

It will take your body much long to get over the effects of long

term nicotine addiction but the benefits begin immediately: Carbon

Monoxide levels begin dropping, Blood pressure drops.

Short term you may experience a sore throat but this will clear up

shortly.

See

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Alice, the above is a clipping from a smoking cessation site.

To help ease withdrawal and the stress of not smoking, there are

many good nutritional protocols out there. Extra nutrtional support

can be really helpful in the beginning. Staying hydrated is

extremely important, too. Oxygenating the cells, especially of the

brain and lungs, through deep breathing can make a world of

difference. I found that rubbing a therapeutic grade of 100% pure

essential oil of lavender on my palms, cupping them beneath my nose

and taking big deep " drags " of lavender served well to bring in more

oxygen, to saturate my lungs with healing disinfectant lavender oil,

to soothe my nervous system, and to get that satisfaction sensation

of taking a " deep drag " of something strong.

Neither hypnosis nor EFT are " mumbo jumbo that someone says over

you " . These are consent-based techniques.

Was I addicted to smoking? Lighting up two cigarettes at time while

burning a hole in my lung, digging through other people's trash for

their half-smoked, coffee-saturated butts in the middle of the

night, not giving a shit that I was giving my daughter asthma....I

dunno, what do you think?

I tried various ways to quit, over a period of a couple of years.

And then, in just a few moments, I was freed.

debbie y

[Guest guest]

This is an interesting study but I think simplistic. Just when you

think you have humans figured out, they surprise you! What Osho says

may be true for some, but not for all.

That said, just this morning my mom (85) happened to ask me about

working with smokers....she suggested I just hand them a pacifier to

use instead of a butt. hmmmmmmmmmm.

debbie y

[Guest guest]

Salvia divinorum is a potent sacramental herb that contains a

kappa-opioid agonist. It reduces drug-taking behaviour, and

actual consumption of mu-opioid receptor agonists.

We're doing an anti-addiction trial with the herb; prior data on

using it on to reduce addiction to nicotine, cocaine,

amphetamines, opiates, alcohol and marijuana is posted on my

website:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia-kappa-opioid.html

Duncan

[Guest guest]

or you read the book by alan carr

'the only way to stop smoking'

>From: Wes <wajone@...>

>Reply-qxci-english

>qxci-english

>Subject: Re: Smoking

>Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 21:08:17 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Or you run the anti-smoking program that came with the

>SCIO.

>

>

>--- shebl farag <shebl_farag@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi ,All Groups Members

> > I have a study written by OSHO about Smoking to

> > whom concern

> > can read it, and try it and find if it can help

> > him stop smoking ,Osho

> > says .

> > IN your deep unconscious ,smoking is related with

> > sucking milk

> > from yr mother's breast .And as civilization has

> > grown , no woman

> > wants the child to be brought by breast feeding

> > ,he will destroy the

> > breast, breast will lose its round and its beauty

> > .

> > As civilization has grown , chlidrens are taken

> > away from the breast

> > of the mother sooner and sooner .The longing to

> > drink from the breast

> > goes on in their minds ,and whenever people are in

> > some nervous state

> > in tension ,in anxiety , the cigaette helps .It

> > helps them to become a

> > child again ,relaxed in their mother's lap .The

> > cegarette is very symbolic

> > It is just like the nipple of the mother , and the

> > smoke that goes through

> > it is warm ,just as like the milk is warm .So it

> > has a certain symmetry,

> > and you become engaged in it ,and for the moment

> > you are reduced to

> > a child who has no anxieties ,no problems ,no

> > responsibilties .

> > As smoker for long time and looking to stop

> > smoking ,but you cannot ,

> > because ,you have to change the cause that have

> > produced it .

> > He says ''Osho' do not try to stop smoking ,but

> > rather bring a milk bottle

> > that is used for small children .And in the night

> > when nobodycan see you ,

> > under yr blanket enjoy the milk .,the warm milk,it

> > is not going to do any

> > harm at least (he was talking to his sannyasins

> > whom will experience

> > this method ')

> > He was asking by the sannyasins ,how it is going

> > to help ,he answered ,

> > just do it .And they were surprised , slowly

> > ,slowly the cigarretes were

> > disappearing because the basic need which had

> > remained hanging in

> > the middle was fullfiled ,they are no longer

> > children,they are maturing

> > and the cigarrete disappears

> > Another method ,using meditation while you are

> > smoking ,he said ,

> > Do one thing .When you are taking the packet of

> > cigarrete out of your

> > pocket , move slowly , Enjoy it ,there is no hurry

> > . Be conscious ,alret,

> > aware ,take it out slowly ,with full awareness

> > .Then take the cigarrete

> > out of the packet with full awareness ,slowly -not

> > in the old hurried

> > way ,uncoscious way , mechanical way .Then start

> > tapping the

> > cigarrete on your packet - butvery alret .Listen

> > to the sound , just

> > as Zen people do when the samovar starts singing

> > and the tea starts

> > boiling -and the aroma .then smell the cigarrete

> > and the beauty of it .

> > It is beautiful ,Tabacco is as divine as anything

> > -smell it ,it is God's smell .

> > Then put it in yr mouth, with full awareness ,

> > light it with full awareness ,

> > enjoy every act , every small act , and divide it

> > into as many small acts

> > as possible , so you can become more aware .

> > If you can do it, you will surprised ,soon you

> > will see the whole stupidity

> > of it ,not because others have said that it is

> > stupid ,not because others,

> > have said it is bad .Youwill see it ,and seeing

> > will not be intellectual ,it

> > will be from your total being , it will be a

> > vision of your totality and one

> > day ,if it drops ,it drops ,if it continues ,it

> > continues .

> > You need not to worry about it .This is the secret

> > de--automatize ,Walking

> > walk slowly , watchfully,looking ,look watchfully

> > ,then you will see trees

> > more greener than they have ever been ,and roses

> > are rosier than they

> > have ever been .Listen ,somebody is talking

> > ,gossiping , listen , listen ,

> > attentivelly .When you are takling ,talk

> > attentivily . Let your whole waking

> > activity become de--automatized .

> > Can this help , try it as there is no harm .Peace

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KAT, Honey did you forget the DUCT TAPE????? love and hugs, d KATHY SHELNUTT <kathyshel2000@...> wrote: i started my second week of pills today up to 2 mg a day i have cut back i tink im doing better but donald wants to know why im still smoking he getting on my nerves kat .

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YES I DID FORGET ABOUT THE TAPE KATdannegrl <dannegrl2003@...> wrote: KAT, Honey did you forget the DUCT TAPE????? love and hugs, d KATHY SHELNUTT <kathyshel2000 > wrote: i started my second week of pills today up to 2 mg a day i have cut back i tink im doing better but donald wants to know why im still smoking he getting on my nerves kat . TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

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NOW THAT IS FUNNY!! DUCT TAPE HAS SO MANY WONDERFUL USES LOL. WWdannegrl <dannegrl2003@...> wrote: KAT, Honey did you forget the DUCT TAPE????? love and hugs, d KATHY SHELNUTT <kathyshel2000 > wrote: i started my second week of pills today up to 2 mg a day i have cut back i tink im doing better but donald wants to know why im still smoking he getting on my nerves kat . TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

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I won't tell you ALL the stuff I did - lol

And I seemed to ALWAYS get caught the FIRST time I EVER did ANYTHING! lol

But your story made me laugh!

My parents did NOT smoke - and I, to be cool, went to the bus stop down the road

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ONE *puff* and all of a sudden I heard - " LAURIE-SUE " yelled mom out the window

A BLOCK AWAY!!!!!

Needless to say.....we had a *talk* when I got home.....and I learned my lesson

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In a message dated 1/9/2008 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, meredith848@... writes:

What are some of the best current methods to help people quit?

To break the biochemical addiction to nicotine, use a product called Sulfonil. Sulfonil binds with nicotine receptors in the brain and blocks cravings even more effectively than nicotine itself. Begin taking Sulfonil every day: two capsules upon awakening, one every four to six hours during the day, and two more at bedtime. Youll only need to take it for as long as cravings persist (three days to two weeks). Once the cravings have subsided, the desire for a cigarette is no more than habit. A habit takes about 21 days to break, so be vigilant during that time.

Sulfonil is a bivalent, negative sulfur compound called thioglycerol. It is claimed to be an invention of the famous cancer specialist, Dr. Revici

I dont think it was invented by Revici since Merck gives a reference to the Journal of the American Medical Association of 1935.

WHAT IS IT? Sulfonil is a bivalent, negative sulfur compound. It is an invention of the famous cancer specialist, Dr. Revici. It contains 60 mg of reacted sulfur (thioglycerol) per capsule and MCT or Medium Chain Triglycerides. It is a heat treated combination of sulfur and MCT. Inert ingredients may include one or more of the following: magnesium aspartate or citrate, aspartic acid, leucine, silicon dioxide.

WHAT DOES IT DO?

Sulfonil temporarily reduces or stops craving for nicotine, the addictive substance in tobacco.

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Of the people in the MMS support room say that have been smoking ,

the desire and need to light up is greatly diminished on that

product, I have cut my smoking to under half and not even tried to

quit.

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also If you are zapping or anything as the pathogens die they release

toxins and this will give you those symptoms of being tired and

sleepy. once you expell those toxins, you will have a lot more energy

and stamina. I can't believe I feel this good and only being on the

MMS for 2 weeks, I'm still holding off on my beck stuff that came in

at the same time.

Good luck Micheal. Let the Healing and purging begin.

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> What are some of the best current methods to help people quit?

> .............................hey ,good/bad news. My TSH

for thyroid is normal, so i dont have to take pills, but now I'm back

to square one as to why I am so frequently tired and sleepy.

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As a person without a thyroid gland I can tell you that the TSH test are pretty much useless. After my thyroid was blown away the doctor refused to prescribe any supplement as long as my TSH levels didn't show a need. I was practicly falling asleep an my feet. I finally went to a different doctor and he called the first one a quack and prescribed the supplement for me. The point is the TSH test is not sufficient, you also need the T3 and T4 tests as well to get a real indication of where your body really is. And if you'r taking a supplement, don;t let them simply prescribe synthroid, it's important to take both T3 And T4 to do a good job of supplementing. The only one that I've found to work well is Thyrolar 2.

Bernie

Re: smoking

Of the people in the MMS support room say that have been smoking , the desire and need to light up is greatly diminished on that product, I have cut my smoking to under half and not even tried to quit.http://MmsMiracle.com/boondoc also If you are zapping or anything as the pathogens die they release toxins and this will give you those symptoms of being tired and sleepy. once you expell those toxins, you will have a lot more energy and stamina. I can't believe I feel this good and only being on the MMS for 2 weeks, I'm still holding off on my beck stuff that came in at the same time.Good luck Micheal. Let the Healing and purging begin.Jim>> What are some of the best current methods to help people quit?> .............................hey ,good/bad news. My TSH for thyroid is normal, so i dont have to take pills, but now I'm back to square one as to why I am so frequently tired and sleepy.> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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Bernie:

"The point is the TSH test is not sufficient, you also need the T3 and T4 tests as well to get a real indication of where your body really is."

You really want the FREE T3 and FREE T4, if you can find a doctor who will order them.

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Could be you are toxic with heavy metals, or your

basic mineral combinations (such as calcium/magnesium)

which affect energy are out of balance, or you have

parasites, or you have Epstein-Barr virus (which 90%

of the population has but not all are very much

affected by it).

>I'm back to square one as to why I am so frequently

tired and sleepy.

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I just did hair analysis and a tear of orthomolecular remedies, and only have some cobalt left, which I think zoelites will get rid of. I've done zapping, and clarksia for parasites plus MMS. Does MMs stop epsom barr? Forrest <a57ngel@...> wrote: Could be you are toxic with heavy metals, or yourbasic mineral combinations (such as calcium/magnesium)which affect energy are out of balance, or you haveparasites, or you have Epstein-Barr virus (which 90%of the population

has but not all are very muchaffected by it).>I'm back to square one as to why I am so frequentlytired and sleepy.'s homepage: http://www.geocities.com/a57ngel/ "If all men would heal someone then everyone would be healed. Yes, we are our brother's keeper."Political animated comics:http://www.markfiore.com/animation/stay.html__________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

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Does MMS stop epstine barr virus?

Yes, it should and by other testamony I would say absolutely that it

can.

> Could be you are toxic with heavy metals, or your

> basic mineral combinations (such as calcium/magnesium)

> which affect energy are out of balance, or you have

> parasites, or you have Epstein-Barr virus (which 90%

> of the population has but not all are very much

> affected by it).

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> tired and sleepy.

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What is the success rate with it , and where is it available/ DotsieBoo@... wrote: In a message dated 1/9/2008 6:52:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, meredith848 writes: What are some of the best current methods to help people quit? To break the

biochemical addiction to nicotine, use a product called Sulfonil. Sulfonil binds with nicotine receptors in the brain and blocks cravings even more effectively than nicotine itself. Begin taking Sulfonil every day: two capsules upon awakening, one every four to six hours during the day, and two more at bedtime. Youll only need to take it for as long as cravings persist (three days to two weeks). Once the cravings have subsided, the desire for a cigarette is no more than habit. A habit takes about 21 days to break, so be vigilant during that time. Sulfonil is a bivalent, negative sulfur compound called thioglycerol. It is claimed to be an invention of the famous cancer specialist, Dr. Revici I dont think it was invented by Revici since Merck gives a reference to the Journal of the American Medical Association of 1935. WHAT IS

IT? Sulfonil is a bivalent, negative sulfur compound. It is an invention of the famous cancer specialist, Dr. Revici. It contains 60 mg of reacted sulfur (thioglycerol) per capsule and MCT or Medium Chain Triglycerides. It is a heat treated combination of sulfur and MCT. Inert ingredients may include one or more of the following: magnesium aspartate or citrate, aspartic acid, leucine, silicon dioxide. WHAT DOES IT DO? Sulfonil temporarily reduces or stops craving for nicotine, the addictive substance in tobacco. Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

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Why dont you take the natural product, many people still do, and think the synthetic sells well do to sales/marketting. I am just tired, sleepy sometimes, and have low basal temperature. I dont want tto go back for t3 & 4 testing unnneccessarily. Bernie <bernieheere@...> wrote: As a person without a thyroid gland I can tell you that the TSH test are pretty much useless. After my thyroid was blown away the doctor refused to prescribe any supplement as long as my TSH levels didn't show

a need. I was practicly falling asleep an my feet. I finally went to a different doctor and he called the first one a quack and prescribed the supplement for me. The point is the TSH test is not sufficient, you also need the T3 and T4 tests as well to get a real indication of where your body really is. And if you'r taking a supplement, don;t let them simply prescribe synthroid, it's important to take both T3 And T4 to do a good job of supplementing. The only one that I've found to work well is Thyrolar 2. Bernie Re: smoking Of the people in the MMS support room say that have been smoking , the desire and need to light up is greatly diminished on that product, I have cut my smoking to under half and not even tried to quit.http://MmsMiracle.com/boondoc also If you are zapping or anything as the pathogens die they release toxins and this will give you those symptoms of being tired and sleepy. once you expell those

toxins, you will have a lot more energy and stamina. I can't believe I feel this good and only being on the MMS for 2 weeks, I'm still holding off on my beck stuff that came in at the same time.Good luck Micheal. Let the Healing and purging begin.Jim>> What are some of the best current methods to help people quit?> .............................hey ,good/bad news. My TSH for thyroid is normal, so i dont have to take pills, but now I'm back to square one as to why I am so frequently tired and sleepy.> > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM

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