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Dear Cheryl,

My 10 year old daughter, , has been in treatment (CBT) and prozac

for over a year now. She is doing much better overall, but has periods of

time when she slides backwards and becomes more compulsive and depressed. I

understand your frustration entirely as I get not only frustrated, but also

depressed with her.

I would call the therapist - you not only need advice on how to handle

your daughter, but could use some support and reassurance for yourself.

Certainly the therapist would want to know how things are going and try to

help!

Keep posting - we're here for you.

Gail in N'Awlins

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Dear Cheryl,

I read your post about the tough times dealing with the co-morbid diagnoses

of Bipolar and OCD. My daughter also has vascillated between psychiatric

diagnoses: Bipolar, ADHD, OCD, SID, Over-Anxious, MDD, etc.

Her therapist describes her as an over-anxious ADHDer, who gets depressed

after major anxious/rage episodes....

Basically we know she is severely anxious, has sensory defensiveness, is

impulsive and her mood becomes disturbed (rage or depression) as well. She

has not done well on any SSRIs as yet (they really agitate her and increase

her impulsive behavior). She also has paradoxical side effects on clonipin

and benadryl also. She is currently on depakote (mood), neurontin (mood,

anxiety, rage), dexadrine (ADHD sypmtoms), and trazadone (to help sleep). It

seems an odd combination, but we are making it right now...... Also, for the

first time, she is really beginning to work with CBT, so we are quite hopeful

about her progress.

Anyway, Cheryl, I just wanted to empathize with your feelings of depression

and overwhelmingness. I struggle with this on and off----a lot because my

has a chronic illness that I periodically have to grieve over. For me,

seeing a therapist, spending more " alone " time, and anti-depressant meds have

helped. As well as venting in this forum!! I am so thankful for the advice

from this forum to take care of myself---this has probably been the info I

need to be repeated and repeated, or I find myself suffocating under the

weight of the responsibility of having a child with OCD.

God bless, and take care,

Laurie in WI

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Dear Cheryl,

I am so sorry that you are feeling so low. I have been there many times. I

too was heartbroken when my son Brook was born and then again when he started

having seizures all the time and yet again when the autism symptoms surfaced.

The comparisons with Brook and the other children with DS at his infant

program were really hard to take.Time will make it easier. If you really feel

overwhelmed by feelings of sadness, and crying it would be a great idea to go

see a doctor or psychiatrist who can put you on antidepressents. This has

helped me so much. We have so much stress in our lives that often something

like this can really be too hard to handle on your own.

I truly hope you feel better and take action soon if you don't feel better.

You are a very important person and your family needs you!

I went and saw a psychiatrist myself last Thursday who started me back

on medication for depression and anxiety. We just found out last Monday that

the company that bought my husband's company wants us all to move out to

Montana. Just like that! If we don't go he loses his job and gets a 3 month

severence package. I started having panic attacks and that's why I saw the

psych. Well my dh is in Montana right now checking it out, I was supposed to

go too but decided it wouldn't be good for my mental health with the help of

my psych. We just moved to this new house last April for this job and now

they do this. Actually they wanted the whole family to go for the weeked

which is of course impossible with Brook. I have no idea what services like

respite etc, they would have in Montana. I'm starting to feel a little

better, thanks to the medication and am hopeful that he will find another job

locally. There are a lot of Biotech companies here in the SF Bay Area. I

don't think we are going anywhere, I just hope it all works out and life can

return to normal, whatever that means.

Mom to Miles 14, Brook11, and Gennie3yrs

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Hi Marisa, thanks for the note. I am feeling much better today. I broke

down and called a friend who understood as her son has autism. She reminded

me that we have already been down this path with my oldest daughter and we

will make it down this path again. She told me to remember this isn't a

death sentence even if it feels like it is. She asked me to look at my

oldest daughter and her son and remember how far they have come, as will

Angel in time. Her words really helped me alot. I cried and she totally

understood my tears like they were her own, because they had been hers only

a few years ago. I am also realizing that a confirmed diagnosis will really

help us to get the services and interventions we need to help her. So I am

working hard on turning my anger about this into positive working energy and

am advocating for the things we need for her. Helps me to feel that we have

some control in this. Autism is like a theif in the night that comes and

steals our childrens abilities. I want to stop it before it takes anymore

from her or us. There is a new 2 year 20 hr per week intensive ABA therapy

program beginning in our prov so I am going to work on finding out how to

get Angel into it. She has just turned 5 and the prog services kids 6 and

under. Unfortunately it is in a city that is 4 hours away from us. So may

have to just get put on a wait list for when the prog is established closer

to home.

I sure hope things work out for your family. We moved to a new community

last August to get better education service for our 12 year old and it has

been a great move for her. Hard as heck for me though. Had to quit my job,

take out a second mortgage, and begin all over again. Won't be wanting to

do that again for a long time.

My husband is a supervisor for a logging company and travels alot. Boss

wanted us to relocate closer to the main office but we chose not too. Was a

very hard decision, but couldn't see starting every service all over again.

Let me know what you end up deciding to do.

Cheryl

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> Dear Cheryl,

> I am so sorry that you are feeling so low. I have been there many

times. I

> too was heartbroken when my son Brook was born and then again when he

started

> having seizures all the time and yet again when the autism symptoms

surfaced.

> The comparisons with Brook and the other children with DS at his infant

> program were really hard to take.Time will make it easier. If you really

feel

> overwhelmed by feelings of sadness, and crying it would be a great idea to

go

> see a doctor or psychiatrist who can put you on antidepressents. This has

> helped me so much. We have so much stress in our lives that often

something

> like this can really be too hard to handle on your own.

> I truly hope you feel better and take action soon if you don't feel

better.

> You are a very important person and your family needs you!

> I went and saw a psychiatrist myself last Thursday who started me

back

> on medication for depression and anxiety. We just found out last Monday

that

> the company that bought my husband's company wants us all to move out to

> Montana. Just like that! If we don't go he loses his job and gets a 3

month

> severence package. I started having panic attacks and that's why I saw

the

> psych. Well my dh is in Montana right now checking it out, I was supposed

to

> go too but decided it wouldn't be good for my mental health with the help

of

> my psych. We just moved to this new house last April for this job and now

> they do this. Actually they wanted the whole family to go for the weeked

> which is of course impossible with Brook. I have no idea what services

like

> respite etc, they would have in Montana. I'm starting to feel a little

> better, thanks to the medication and am hopeful that he will find another

job

> locally. There are a lot of Biotech companies here in the SF Bay Area. I

> don't think we are going anywhere, I just hope it all works out and life

can

> return to normal, whatever that means.

> Mom to Miles 14, Brook11, and Gennie3yrs

>

>

>

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In a message dated 3/28/01 12:55:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

magnussen@... writes:

<< Autism is like a theif in the night that comes and

steals our childrens abilities. I want to stop it before it takes anymore

from her or us. >>

Good way of putting it Cheryl. It really bugs me when I read the doom and

gloom stuff written about autism. YES, we all know how hard it is, but IMO,

kids with autism ARE reachable and ARE able to learn and ARE capable of

connecting with the human race. Maddie is so different than the little baby

she was at the onset of autism. And she's so different than even last year.

The autism is still there; it's just that we're learning every day how to

bring her into our world. Just like everyone else on this list, we'll do

EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to continue to reach our child. We DO NOT feel like

this is futile and that we can't effect Maddie's development. Life will

continue to throw challenges at us; it does for everyone, DS, autism, both or

not. But it is NOT hopeless. All that being said, hearing your child has

autism is crushing. I mentally revisit those months of onset often; way more

than I revisit her birth and the shock of DS. Duff and I never ever asked

ourselves " why us " when we had Maddie, but I sure did when she dx'd with

autism. However, I've learned to see this experience in the same light as

our experience of having a child with DS. I've learned so very much; we're

all better people (yes, despite the nastiness of autism) for dealing with it;

I've met the most amazing people (YOU GUYS); and we've learned so much about

ourselves and each other (a continuing process). YES, I'd take this burden

from Maddie in a heartbeat!! But I can't and it's here and it's taught us

all things the rest of the world will never know.

That's how I choose to see it!!

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and allow yourself even more grief than

you allowed yourself when you learned about the DS. And always come to us;

we'll always listen and always understand!!!

Donna

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Thank you Donna, your post brought tears to my eyes. I have been needing to

cry all day, but keep it tucked away at bay. Can't get to the healing

without crying though. I am a major crier too so my friends had better

watch out. That is how I cleanse my soul, through emptying my tears. Thank

you again for sharing your story with me. I have to keep remembering this

won't stop her or us if we don't let it. It's just another obsticle to get

past. And, hey, life is full of them anyway, so now we'll just be experts

at getting past them. Keep thinking God should have made me an olympic

hurdle runner as I am getting really good at getting past all the barriers

society puts up in front of us. Another funny note is that when Angel

escapes I always think that God sure has a funny sense of humor. I always

prayed that one of my kids would be a runner and I guess I got one all

right. Won't be saying that prayer again, until she is ready to go to

special O track team tryouts. Future Gold Medalist Sprinter in training

here.

This is a great site, and I am really thankful that I have found other

parents who can understand.

Cheryl

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> In a message dated 3/28/01 12:55:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> magnussen@... writes:

>

> << Autism is like a theif in the night that comes and

> steals our childrens abilities. I want to stop it before it takes

anymore

> from her or us. >>

>

> Good way of putting it Cheryl. It really bugs me when I read the doom

and

> gloom stuff written about autism. YES, we all know how hard it is, but

IMO,

> kids with autism ARE reachable and ARE able to learn and ARE capable of

> connecting with the human race. Maddie is so different than the little

baby

> she was at the onset of autism. And she's so different than even last

year.

> The autism is still there; it's just that we're learning every day how

to

> bring her into our world. Just like everyone else on this list, we'll do

> EVERYTHING and ANYTHING to continue to reach our child. We DO NOT feel

like

> this is futile and that we can't effect Maddie's development. Life will

> continue to throw challenges at us; it does for everyone, DS, autism, both

or

> not. But it is NOT hopeless. All that being said, hearing your child

has

> autism is crushing. I mentally revisit those months of onset often; way

more

> than I revisit her birth and the shock of DS. Duff and I never ever

asked

> ourselves " why us " when we had Maddie, but I sure did when she dx'd with

> autism. However, I've learned to see this experience in the same light

as

> our experience of having a child with DS. I've learned so very much;

we're

> all better people (yes, despite the nastiness of autism) for dealing with

it;

> I've met the most amazing people (YOU GUYS); and we've learned so much

about

> ourselves and each other (a continuing process). YES, I'd take this

burden

> from Maddie in a heartbeat!! But I can't and it's here and it's taught

us

> all things the rest of the world will never know.

> That's how I choose to see it!!

> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and allow yourself even more grief

than

> you allowed yourself when you learned about the DS. And always come to

us;

> we'll always listen and always understand!!!

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

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At 09:33 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has alot

of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

Oh! He is the nicest man! I went to a presentation he did in BC on DS and I

think ADHD, but maybe autism. HE was co-presenting. That's right, he did

ADHD. I was struck by how well he understood his topic and kids with DS. I

know he's been at hte dsmig meetings for the discussions about ds/autism,

so I think your concerns would be well-received. I " m not sure how to

contact him, though. I can work on this.....

j

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At 09:33 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has alot

of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

Oh! He is the nicest man! I went to a presentation he did in BC on DS and I

think ADHD, but maybe autism. HE was co-presenting. That's right, he did

ADHD. I was struck by how well he understood his topic and kids with DS. I

know he's been at hte dsmig meetings for the discussions about ds/autism,

so I think your concerns would be well-received. I " m not sure how to

contact him, though. I can work on this.....

j

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Hi Joan,

You know, I think he may be in , which is on Vancouver Island, only

4 hrs from where I live. Where ever he is though, I will ask my ped to

refer us to him. Even if he is in Vancouver it is not that far away from

us. Only a few hours.

Thank you so much for this suggestion. Makes a lot of sense. The video

series is put on by whom? DSRF? Do you know where I can get further

details? Unfortunately I am booked to teach classes some of those evenings

and wouldn't be able to do it all, but even would be good. I was able to

talk a 3 month augmentative and alternative communication course at our

local college last spring and that was great. Learned alot about it as we

used the text, visual strategies for communication as our main guide.

Thank you for all your help, and please let me know if you find out how to

contact Dr.Fagan and I will give his number to my ped.

You are pretty awesome you know.

Thanks, Cheryl

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> At 09:33 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

> BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

> heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

> fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

> get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has

alot

> of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

> hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

>

> Oh! He is the nicest man! I went to a presentation he did in BC on DS and

I

> think ADHD, but maybe autism. HE was co-presenting. That's right, he did

> ADHD. I was struck by how well he understood his topic and kids with DS. I

> know he's been at hte dsmig meetings for the discussions about ds/autism,

> so I think your concerns would be well-received. I " m not sure how to

> contact him, though. I can work on this.....

>

> j

>

>

>

>

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Hi Joan,

You know, I think he may be in , which is on Vancouver Island, only

4 hrs from where I live. Where ever he is though, I will ask my ped to

refer us to him. Even if he is in Vancouver it is not that far away from

us. Only a few hours.

Thank you so much for this suggestion. Makes a lot of sense. The video

series is put on by whom? DSRF? Do you know where I can get further

details? Unfortunately I am booked to teach classes some of those evenings

and wouldn't be able to do it all, but even would be good. I was able to

talk a 3 month augmentative and alternative communication course at our

local college last spring and that was great. Learned alot about it as we

used the text, visual strategies for communication as our main guide.

Thank you for all your help, and please let me know if you find out how to

contact Dr.Fagan and I will give his number to my ped.

You are pretty awesome you know.

Thanks, Cheryl

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> At 09:33 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

> BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

> heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

> fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

> get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has

alot

> of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

> hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

>

> Oh! He is the nicest man! I went to a presentation he did in BC on DS and

I

> think ADHD, but maybe autism. HE was co-presenting. That's right, he did

> ADHD. I was struck by how well he understood his topic and kids with DS. I

> know he's been at hte dsmig meetings for the discussions about ds/autism,

> so I think your concerns would be well-received. I " m not sure how to

> contact him, though. I can work on this.....

>

> j

>

>

>

>

>

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, thank you for suggesting Dr.Fagan. I had totally forgotten that we

have an expert in our province.

Boy does God work quick, only 10 mins ago I was praying for the route to go,

and here's my answer.

thanks again, cheryl

Cheryl

> Cheryl,

>

> Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has alot

of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

>

> , mom to Sara and

>

>

>

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, thank you for suggesting Dr.Fagan. I had totally forgotten that we

have an expert in our province.

Boy does God work quick, only 10 mins ago I was praying for the route to go,

and here's my answer.

thanks again, cheryl

Cheryl

> Cheryl,

>

> Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you. I'm not sure where in

BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in Vancouver or . I

heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and thought he was a

fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half a year later, I tried to

get an appointment with him (no luck, though). I'm not sure if he has alot

of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows DS like the back of his

hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in Vancouver)

>

> , mom to Sara and

>

>

>

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At 09:05 PM 3/31/01 -0800, you wrote:

>

>You are pretty awesome you know.

>

Check's in the mail, Cheryl!

SEriously, I have to dig out the dsmig stuff, but I think he's listed in

there. As for the video conferencing, it's through DSRF. They say to call

the office to sign up.

I *really* wish I could see these!

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At 09:05 PM 3/31/01 -0800, you wrote:

>

>You are pretty awesome you know.

>

Check's in the mail, Cheryl!

SEriously, I have to dig out the dsmig stuff, but I think he's listed in

there. As for the video conferencing, it's through DSRF. They say to call

the office to sign up.

I *really* wish I could see these!

j

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Vancouver Island, that sounds fun. 4 hours isn't that

long, but if you have little children then it is.

--- Cheryl Magnussen <magnussen@...> wrote:

> Hi Joan,

> You know, I think he may be in , which is on

> Vancouver Island, only

> 4 hrs from where I live. Where ever he is though, I

> will ask my ped to

> refer us to him. Even if he is in Vancouver it is

> not that far away from

> us. Only a few hours.

>

> Thank you so much for this suggestion. Makes a lot

> of sense. The video

> series is put on by whom? DSRF? Do you know where

> I can get further

> details? Unfortunately I am booked to teach classes

> some of those evenings

> and wouldn't be able to do it all, but even would be

> good. I was able to

> talk a 3 month augmentative and alternative

> communication course at our

> local college last spring and that was great.

> Learned alot about it as we

> used the text, visual strategies for communication

> as our main guide.

>

> Thank you for all your help, and please let me know

> if you find out how to

> contact Dr.Fagan and I will give his number to my

> ped.

>

> You are pretty awesome you know.

>

> Thanks, Cheryl

> Re: Cheryl

>

>

> > At 09:33 PM 3/31/01 -0500, you wrote:

> > >Just had a thought on a doctor that may help you.

> I'm not sure where in

> > BC you live, but there is a Dr. Fagan in

> Vancouver or . I

> > heard him speak at a DS conference in Toronto, and

> thought he was a

> > fantastic speaker. When I went to Vancouver half

> a year later, I tried to

> > get an appointment with him (no luck, though).

> I'm not sure if he has

> alot

> > of knowledge with the dual diagnosis, but he knows

> DS like the back of his

> > hand. Hope that helps (well only if you live in

> Vancouver)

> >

> > Oh! He is the nicest man! I went to a presentation

> he did in BC on DS and

> I

> > think ADHD, but maybe autism. HE was

> co-presenting. That's right, he did

> > ADHD. I was struck by how well he understood his

> topic and kids with DS. I

> > know he's been at hte dsmig meetings for the

> discussions about ds/autism,

> > so I think your concerns would be well-received.

> I " m not sure how to

> > contact him, though. I can work on this.....

> >

> > j

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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In a message dated 4/25/01 7:44:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

bodyforlife writes:

<< I do, however, have 4 week pics

I am going to post on the website - you can really, really see the

difference in my back shot. Wish I knew how to get them side by side!

>>

Hi Cheryl. I saw your pics and WOW! What a huge difference in just 4 weeks.

You must be SO proud. I could barely tell anything in my first 4 weeks but

could after my 8 week pics.

You might win the million after all! Glad to hear your business is doing so

great. 2001 might be your year!

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bodyforlife writes:

<< I do, however, have 4 week pics

I am going to post on the website - you can really, really see the

difference in my back shot. Wish I knew how to get them side by side!

>>

Hi Cheryl. I saw your pics and WOW! What a huge difference in just 4 weeks.

You must be SO proud. I could barely tell anything in my first 4 weeks but

could after my 8 week pics.

You might win the million after all! Glad to hear your business is doing so

great. 2001 might be your year!

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....But, tonight she ran for it and kept

standing in front of it while I mowed the lawn. Played right beside it with

no fear what so ever. I kept having to stop it and tell her to move so she

wouldn't get hurt from it. WEIRD. She had absolutely no fear of it

whatsoever. Almost like she swung to the other end of the pendulum on this

one.

Hi Cheryl,

Boy, that's so scary, isn't it! doesn't like loud noises either, but

he will go to fire (like a candle or the stove, etc) and think nothing of

trying to put his face up to it. Like you said, they have NO fear.

Terry

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Cheryl,

I wish I knew! The only thing I know to do with is to make sure that

someone is watching him every minute, literally! He doesn't get hot, sharp

anything like that. I put some things in the bedroom when he was in the

dining room and heard glass break. My heart stopped! I ran to the dining

room and he was standing there with a sharp piece of glass. I yelled at him

to stand still because there was glass all over the floor and he just looked

at me. Thank God I was able to get to him quickly before he took a step or

before he put the glass in his mouth. Turned out someone had left a glass on

the counter and he had grabbed it, hitting it on the counter. I know it

added a few more gray hairs to my head! LOL If he's outside, we have to

watch him every minute because he will grab anything. We live in a rural

area and there are a lot of spiders around. I am afraid he will grab at a

web and get bitten by something. shudder! I just don't know how to get

through to him because it's not like I can say " owie " and have it mean

anything. He hits, pinches, and bites himself and bangs his head...so

obviously pain has a different meaning for him. We opted not to have a

pellet stove in our house for that reason. I guess prevention is my only

solution at this point. Wish I could be of more help, but I am lost with

this too!

Terry

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Cheryl,

I want to wish you the best on friday. I too in time will need to do my

tummy and my arms, but it will be awhile yet. since jan26 I had my MGB with

DrR and I was 297 and now I am 235, already my arms hang a lot and my belly

always did and now it is worse, I always get all read and chafed under the

folds of skin. Let me know when you are back home how you feel and how it

was. Until then you are in my prayers and I wish you the best.

Rosemary Commisso

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Cheryl,

You may not remember me. I met you at RDU a couple of months ago, I was the

blonde with the famous Beth Brown.

I just wanted to let you know I am so sorry for the trouble you are having

" getting Rudie legal " . I remember you tellling me your amazing love story

that night at The Italian Chop House. I hope and pray that you will be able

to get everything worked out real soon.

I really enjoyed meeting you! Hope to see you soon. I had a blast with you

crazy bad girls!!!

Dana

what a day

> Today has been a very emotional day for me. I've had so much to deal with

> all during the joys of PMS, I might add!!

>

> As most of you know, my husband is from Europe, Holland specifically. We

are

> going through the immigration process to get him a green card. NO, you

don't

> automatically get one when you come here and marry a citizen, and NO you

> don't become a citizen when you marry a citizen. It is a long drawn out

> complicated expensive, hurry up and wait process.

>

> This week we go for our " interview " . We are to bring documentation of our

> lives together. Pictures, debts, bills, mortgage stuff, bank accounts,

etc.

> The hardest thing today has been going through a box of pictures and

seeing

> looking at pictures of my now deceased parents. My Dad when he was smiling

> and happy, when he was sick and weak. When he was escorting down the aisle

> at my wedding. So many memories. Also the same of my Mama. In addition to

> that, I had the opportunuity to look at many many " fat " pictures of myself

> from months, and a few years ago. I sure have changed, I'm wondering if

they

> will believe they are me!!! That would be a hoot wouldn't it??

>

> I've experienced nearly every emotion today you can experience, from joy,

to

> sadness,immense happiness to grief, laughter and disbelief. I'm wore out

but

> I'm sticking to my POINTS!!

>

> Cheryl

>

>

>

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Dana,

Of course I remember you g/f. I just didn't remember your name to associate

it with the name on the list here.

But I did remember YOU. I have pics with you in it. And yes, those are some

WILD and CRAZY girls .... They are like a lifeline to me at times.

Yes, I hope all the legal issues are resolved soon also. I'm tired of going

thr all the hoops just so I can keep my husband in this country legally.

Take care and thanks for reminding me who you are!!!

Cheryl

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Yeah Cheryl,

Where were you when I needed some help?????? You were off with Blair

while I had this MASSIVE undertaking in front of me. And all Dana

would do was be the look out person. Now I know I've wiped a lot of

hineys in my 50 years but most of them have been under three years

old. And they weren't wiped in the stairwell of the mall's parking

garage. There are some friends you just can't count on. Even Flo was

off somewhere else struttin' her size 12's.

Beth's True Blue Friend,

Genz

> Cheryl,

>

> Man I hate you missed that episode. It was quite an experience. I

can only

> say I have had sooooo much respect for Genz ever since that day.

Boy was I

> ever glad I was just the " watch for people coming person " and not

the actual

> " wiper " . Some day when you are much older I will tell you the whole

sordid

> story.

>

> Hope to see you soon!

> Dana

> PS -how did things go with Immigration?

>

> Re: Re: Celebration

>

>

> > <<<Remember when I had to wipe the chocolate off of Beth's white

> > pants, in the stairwell at the mall. I'll NEVER forget those big

white

> > buns staring me in the face....:-)The things you do for friends

that

> > you've never laid eyes on before. Wow, what a memory.

> >

> >

> > Love,

> > Genz~~~Congrats on the size 14's>>>

> >

> > Genz, where the heck was I during this umm occasion??? I guess I

was

> > shopping til I dropped finding something to wear that fitted

.....hehe

> >

> > Cheryl jus wonder'n

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Cheryl,

Man I hate you missed that episode. It was quite an experience. I can only

say I have had sooooo much respect for Genz ever since that day. Boy was I

ever glad I was just the " watch for people coming person " and not the actual

" wiper " . Some day when you are much older I will tell you the whole sordid

story.

Hope to see you soon!

Dana

PS -how did things go with Immigration?

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> <<<Remember when I had to wipe the chocolate off of Beth's white

> pants, in the stairwell at the mall. I'll NEVER forget those big white

> buns staring me in the face....:-)The things you do for friends that

> you've never laid eyes on before. Wow, what a memory.

>

>

> Love,

> Genz~~~Congrats on the size 14's>>>

>

> Genz, where the heck was I during this umm occasion??? I guess I was

> shopping til I dropped finding something to wear that fitted ....hehe

>

> Cheryl jus wonder'n

>

>

>

>

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Cheryl! It is GOOD to have you back!! HUGS

aW

MGB 5/28/00

214/115ish lbs

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>

>

> > <<<Remember when I had to wipe the chocolate off of Beth's white

> > pants, in the stairwell at the mall. I'll NEVER forget those big

white

> > buns staring me in the face....:-)The things you do for friends

that

> > you've never laid eyes on before. Wow, what a memory.

> >

> >

> > Love,

> > Genz~~~Congrats on the size 14's>>>

> >

> > Genz, where the heck was I during this umm occasion??? I guess I

was

> > shopping til I dropped finding something to wear that fitted

....hehe

> >

> > Cheryl jus wonder'n

> >

> >

> >

> >

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