Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 nna....I have had TMJ (not treated) on my right side for a couple of years. Popping, cracking in the jaw. The left side went horribly bad 4 months ago. My dentist said it was bad, but the dental insurance does not cover mouth guards. I have not been to the doctor for this one. Not sure if my health insurance covers it. To open my mouth there is quite a bit of pain in my left side. Very different then the right that just pops and clicks. I will probably bring it up on my next visit to the doctor. He probably will think I am a hypochondriac... ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna ----- Original Message ----- From: lena_beckk Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Face and Teeth Pain Within a year of having gotten implants I developed severe jaw and teeth pain and started having cavities, had to have a couple of crowns,1 root canal and am still having severe pain in my jaw and plugged up ears. I guess this is TMJ and I maybe would have gotten it anyway, but I feel that it was due to the implants. I had always had very healthy teeth and perfect gums with no problems. Hopefully this will get better- I see an ENT next month and am going to a neuromuscular dentist as well soon. Does this sound like what I should be doing?> Hi Rita,> > You have done well to find this group and decide on explant.> I am deeply sorry that you are so very sick. Dr Feng is very> experienced, I feel you can trust her regarding lifts and> things. Sorry you have to wait so long!> > In hindsight I can say that from the moment I got my implants> my body rejected them, just that I didn't know.> With the implants I was tired a lot, most of my creativity> left me, I couldn't work, think etc. I vegetated for a lot of the time.> I spent a fortune on physio-therapy for my shoulders and back,> and lost another fortune by not being creative.> > I was explanted about 5 weeks ago and am almost a different> person. After explant a lot of my "little" symtoms disappeared,> including my brain fog. That came back about two weeks ago> and I have been on a sugar free diet since then which seems> to help it.> Some of the other bad symptoms, like tingling and numbness> on one side of my face also have disappeared, the joint pain is> almost gone and some days non-existent.> > Good luck,> Sunday ()> > .> > > .> -----Original Message-----> From: j_e_ralston [mailto:4rita@c...]> Sent: Montag, 28. Juli 2003 20:52> > Subject: Introduction New Member> > > Hello everyone,> > I have been emailing Patty privately, I am pretty well known on the> Net, and right now, I am having enough trouble dealing with finding> out my implants are what has taken my life away after having and> loving them for 26 years, but I told her she could share my email> and she just emailed that she was going to. I remembered my dear> hubby has a ID, so I can post with his ID and that will not be> taking a bullhorn to the whole net and announcing this. If I> repeat, I apologize, the brain fog is a biggie with me and it is> very bad right now pushing my brain to absorb all this information.> > August 16, 1977, changed my life forever. How do I remember this> day so well? It was the day that Elvis died, it is rather ironicc> because I am now fighting for my life, things have been touch and go> since February 2000.> > I became totally disabled in 1986 with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, but> I developed some bizarre health issues one year after my implants> after looking back. I have been housebound since 1986 and bedbound> since 2000.> > My first really disturnbing symptoms that made me think that I had> MS, as well as the doctors I saw at first, was severely numb hands,> arms, feet and legs. I think I have every symptom there is but> joint pain, I have had very little of that. It was my hands, legs> and feet and soon my whole body. The brain fog followed shortly> thereafter. MS was ruled out, then lupus, then MS again, then> Huntington's then Lyme, MS again, then Lyme again. Now my diagnosis> is CFS with secondary FM and MCS.> > I was only recently able to face the fact that my implants were> leaking, but I did not really want to face it because that meant> doing something, and I felt too ill to have more implants. I> finally did face the fact that my implants were not right, they were> hurting more and more, so I faced the truth and began to search the> Net...that is when I found this group, and my jaw is still on the> ground because I had no idea women were getting sick from saline> implants!> > I have read and read in the archives in your group, and I have cried> and cried for you as well as me, but now I am through crying and> ready to act.> > I think God led me to your group, I am a very committed Christian,> and I related to your stories so very much. I have a wonderful> loving spouse who is also my caretaker. He has to cook, clean, shop> and most everything. God gifted him with caretaking, but we are> both more than ready for me to be better. Maybe I can be, it was> seeming there was no more hope of that. I have spent thousands of> dollars on treatments and supplements, which I know have kept me> alive, but I am still progressive.> > I phoned Dr. Feng's office this morning and had over an hour talk> with , and I just felt so wrapped in protection and safety. It> is hard for me to describe. I am scheduled to see Dr. Feng,> September 18, and the explant is September 19. I wish it were right> this minute. thinks I will get out of my wheelchair and> slowly regain a lot of my health.> > God is so wonderful, I know he led me here.> > I told I wanted to have the "lift", but I don't know. I will> get Dr. Feng's opinion but really hope I don't need it, I was very> very flat chested to begin with, is it true that the lift takes more> tissue? I am not up on that part at all, it is the least of my> worries, pancakes would be beautiful at this point! I don't heal> well now and really hate to have more scars.> > You all know how hard this is, but you also know how relieved you> are to get something out of your body that is making you sick. My> implants hurt from the beginning and never stopped. I knew no one> else with implants in 1977 and living in a little country town of> 200, I just thought this must be normal. told me this was not> normal. Those words hit me like a rock, my body had told me from> day one these were hurting me.> > God bless you all and better health for all of us, I look forward to> sharing with all of you.> > Love to all,> Rita> Rita> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I have an experience with TMJ I just have to share, because this is another one of those problems where doctors can really mess you up. This was pre-implant. All I can say is be very careful! I had terrible problems with my jaw not being able to open up very far, it would feel very tight, and would click or feel like it was breaking if I opened it past a certain point. I have no idea how it came on, but it was right before I got married, and I had insurance coverage through my job, so I had it checked out by a TMJ specialist. He wanted to do surgery on my jaw, and put a teflon plate in there or something...but just before I headed down to the imaging center for an MRI of my jaw, I found out I was pregnant. When I got there, one of the questions was, "are you pregnant?" and because I was, they wouldn't do the MRI. That saved me. I say saved, because the doctor was obviously disappointed he wasn't going to be able to do surgery on me, at least at that time, and so he ordered some kind of plastic device, a jaw splint, to wear entirely around the clock. It was incredibly uncomfortable, I couldn't talk well with it, and I was in a management position at the time, so it just didn't fit into my lifestyle. It looked like a football players mouthpiece. Then when I found out the stupid insurance refused to pay for this appliance, I was stuck with a $400 bill for this thing I wasn't going to wear, so I was really getting annoyed by this time. So I did nothing. It turned out the whole doctor thing was a waste of time, because my jaw problems ended up just healing by itself. I think I had suffered with this for a year or maybe two, but one day I just realized that my jaw worked well, and I believe it was during the course of my pregnancy, because I never gave it another thought after she was born. That was in 1991. To this day, I have never had any further problems with TMJ issues, and my jaw works just fine! No more noises, and I can open wide again. I have found out since that those teflon plates they were putting into people's jaws were dissolving the bones and disintegrating in their heads, causing huge amounts of misery, pain, and suffering, and causing brain cancer. See this group: http://www.angelfire.com/blues/vitek2/tmjstory.html I give thanks to God that He saved me from that, because I was " the blind led by the blind"..I shudder to think of what my life would be like now if I had not been pregnant, listened to that doctor and had gone through that surgery! It is just one more example of how doctors screw with our lives, I can't tell you how angry this makes me when they act like they are these Medical Deities with all the answers, but instead they only bring misery and pain. I know they think they are helping, but really, where is their humility, their fear FOR US should anything go wrong? (And it does!) I can't tell you not to do something about your TMJ or jaw issues, but I can tell you that mine healed on its own, and to please be very, very, very careful when seeing a doctor about this issue. There are victims out there, just like us with breast implants, only they are victims of TMJ implants. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 By the way, this makes it sound like I was pregnant before I got married, but that was not the case. I got married in September, and got pregnant in March, so all this happened over a period of time. Just wanted to clear that little part up.... : > ) ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain I have an experience with TMJ I just have to share, because this is another one of those problems where doctors can really mess you up. This was pre-implant. All I can say is be very careful! I had terrible problems with my jaw not being able to open up very far, it would feel very tight, and would click or feel like it was breaking if I opened it past a certain point. I have no idea how it came on, but it was right before I got married, and I had insurance coverage through my job, so I had it checked out by a TMJ specialist. He wanted to do surgery on my jaw, and put a teflon plate in there or something...but just before I headed down to the imaging center for an MRI of my jaw, I found out I was pregnant. When I got there, one of the questions was, "are you pregnant?" and because I was, they wouldn't do the MRI. That saved me. I say saved, because the doctor was obviously disappointed he wasn't going to be able to do surgery on me, at least at that time, and so he ordered some kind of plastic device, a jaw splint, to wear entirely around the clock. It was incredibly uncomfortable, I couldn't talk well with it, and I was in a management position at the time, so it just didn't fit into my lifestyle. It looked like a football players mouthpiece. Then when I found out the stupid insurance refused to pay for this appliance, I was stuck with a $400 bill for this thing I wasn't going to wear, so I was really getting annoyed by this time. So I did nothing. It turned out the whole doctor thing was a waste of time, because my jaw problems ended up just healing by itself. I think I had suffered with this for a year or maybe two, but one day I just realized that my jaw worked well, and I believe it was during the course of my pregnancy, because I never gave it another thought after she was born. That was in 1991. To this day, I have never had any further problems with TMJ issues, and my jaw works just fine! No more noises, and I can open wide again. I have found out since that those teflon plates they were putting into people's jaws were dissolving the bones and disintegrating in their heads, causing huge amounts of misery, pain, and suffering, and causing brain cancer. See this group: http://www.angelfire.com/blues/vitek2/tmjstory.html I give thanks to God that He saved me from that, because I was " the blind led by the blind"..I shudder to think of what my life would be like now if I had not been pregnant, listened to that doctor and had gone through that surgery! It is just one more example of how doctors screw with our lives, I can't tell you how angry this makes me when they act like they are these Medical Deities with all the answers, but instead they only bring misery and pain. I know they think they are helping, but really, where is their humility, their fear FOR US should anything go wrong? (And it does!) I can't tell you not to do something about your TMJ or jaw issues, but I can tell you that mine healed on its own, and to please be very, very, very careful when seeing a doctor about this issue. There are victims out there, just like us with breast implants, only they are victims of TMJ implants. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thanks Patty.... I have had problems with night time teeth grinding in the past. My husband used to say something about it all the time, I think he know sleeps through it. I think I will just try to get a mouth guard for night time sleeping. I know they have the ones at the pharmacy, but those ones have a warning on them that you are not supposed to use them if your jaw is popping already. So I will go to the doctor before purchasing one...thanks for the warning. I will definately not have any teflon plates put in... ----- Original Message ----- From: *~Patty~* Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:24 AM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain I have an experience with TMJ I just have to share, because this is another one of those problems where doctors can really mess you up. This was pre-implant. All I can say is be very careful! I had terrible problems with my jaw not being able to open up very far, it would feel very tight, and would click or feel like it was breaking if I opened it past a certain point. I have no idea how it came on, but it was right before I got married, and I had insurance coverage through my job, so I had it checked out by a TMJ specialist. He wanted to do surgery on my jaw, and put a teflon plate in there or something...but just before I headed down to the imaging center for an MRI of my jaw, I found out I was pregnant. When I got there, one of the questions was, "are you pregnant?" and because I was, they wouldn't do the MRI. That saved me. I say saved, because the doctor was obviously disappointed he wasn't going to be able to do surgery on me, at least at that time, and so he ordered some kind of plastic device, a jaw splint, to wear entirely around the clock. It was incredibly uncomfortable, I couldn't talk well with it, and I was in a management position at the time, so it just didn't fit into my lifestyle. It looked like a football players mouthpiece. Then when I found out the stupid insurance refused to pay for this appliance, I was stuck with a $400 bill for this thing I wasn't going to wear, so I was really getting annoyed by this time. So I did nothing. It turned out the whole doctor thing was a waste of time, because my jaw problems ended up just healing by itself. I think I had suffered with this for a year or maybe two, but one day I just realized that my jaw worked well, and I believe it was during the course of my pregnancy, because I never gave it another thought after she was born. That was in 1991. To this day, I have never had any further problems with TMJ issues, and my jaw works just fine! No more noises, and I can open wide again. I have found out since that those teflon plates they were putting into people's jaws were dissolving the bones and disintegrating in their heads, causing huge amounts of misery, pain, and suffering, and causing brain cancer. See this group: http://www.angelfire.com/blues/vitek2/tmjstory.html I give thanks to God that He saved me from that, because I was " the blind led by the blind"..I shudder to think of what my life would be like now if I had not been pregnant, listened to that doctor and had gone through that surgery! It is just one more example of how doctors screw with our lives, I can't tell you how angry this makes me when they act like they are these Medical Deities with all the answers, but instead they only bring misery and pain. I know they think they are helping, but really, where is their humility, their fear FOR US should anything go wrong? (And it does!) I can't tell you not to do something about your TMJ or jaw issues, but I can tell you that mine healed on its own, and to please be very, very, very careful when seeing a doctor about this issue. There are victims out there, just like us with breast implants, only they are victims of TMJ implants. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH PALANCA Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Thanks for posting that. I will be careful. I do sleep with a night guard because I was grinding my teeth so the dentist thought maybe that's why I had cracked some teeth all of the sudden. Sometimes it seems to help,but other times it does seem to make it hurt more. I will definately not get a teflon implant now- I'm glad you told us that because I had never even heard of that. I have eye plugs in my eyes (for Sjogren's) put in a few months ago with a minute amount of silicone, which they say is such a tiny amount that it couldn't harm a person- so I hope that's true. I don't want to micro-manage myself but at the same time I want to feel better. > I have an experience with TMJ I just have to share, because this is another one of those problems where doctors can really mess you up. This was pre-implant. All I can say is be very careful! > > I had terrible problems with my jaw not being able to open up very far, it would feel very tight, and would click or feel like it was breaking if I opened it past a certain point. I have no idea how it came on, but it was right before I got married, and I had insurance coverage through my job, so I had it checked out by a TMJ specialist. He wanted to do surgery on my jaw, and put a teflon plate in there or something...but just before I headed down to the imaging center for an MRI of my jaw, I found out I was pregnant. When I got there, one of the questions was, " are you pregnant? " and because I was, they wouldn't do the MRI. > > That saved me. > > I say saved, because the doctor was obviously disappointed he wasn't going to be able to do surgery on me, at least at that time, and so he ordered some kind of plastic device, a jaw splint, to wear entirely around the clock. It was incredibly uncomfortable, I couldn't talk well with it, and I was in a management position at the time, so it just didn't fit into my lifestyle. It looked like a football players mouthpiece. Then when I found out the stupid insurance refused to pay for this appliance, I was stuck with a $400 bill for this thing I wasn't going to wear, so I was really getting annoyed by this time. > > So I did nothing. It turned out the whole doctor thing was a waste of time, because my jaw problems ended up just healing by itself. I think I had suffered with this for a year or maybe two, but one day I just realized that my jaw worked well, and I believe it was during the course of my pregnancy, because I never gave it another thought after she was born. That was in 1991. To this day, I have never had any further problems with TMJ issues, and my jaw works just fine! No more noises, and I can open wide again. > > I have found out since that those teflon plates they were putting into people's jaws were dissolving the bones and disintegrating in their heads, causing huge amounts of misery, pain, and suffering, and causing brain cancer. See this group: http://www.angelfire.com/blues/vitek2/tmjstory.html I give thanks to God that He saved me from that, because I was " the blind led by the blind " ..I shudder to think of what my life would be like now if I had not been pregnant, listened to that doctor and had gone through that surgery! > > It is just one more example of how doctors screw with our lives, I can't tell you how angry this makes me when they act like they are these Medical Deities with all the answers, but instead they only bring misery and pain. I know they think they are helping, but really, where is their humility, their fear FOR US should anything go wrong? (And it does!) > > I can't tell you not to do something about your TMJ or jaw issues, but I can tell you that mine healed on its own, and to please be very, very, very careful when seeing a doctor about this issue. There are victims out there, just like us with breast implants, only they are victims of TMJ implants. > Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain > > > Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Lately mine's been really hurting. I see the rheumatologist today- he said it's TMJ, but might be worsened from the dry mouth from Sjogren's, but he referred me to an ENT next month for the ears being plugged up off and on and sinus stuff. Yesterday the only pain I had was TMJ related, for the first time in months, so that's a good sign I'm hoping. Maybe mine will resolve itself like Patty's did. I'm not sure what the best treatment is for it. I've heard many say they had surgery on it and it didn't help and lots of times it's sinus related. I have no clue! Anyway, I hope you're feeling better. > > Hi Rita, > > > > You have done well to find this group and decide on explant. > > I am deeply sorry that you are so very sick. Dr Feng is very > > experienced, I feel you can trust her regarding lifts and > > things. Sorry you have to wait so long! > > > > In hindsight I can say that from the moment I got my implants > > my body rejected them, just that I didn't know. > > With the implants I was tired a lot, most of my creativity > > left me, I couldn't work, think etc. I vegetated for a lot of the > time. > > I spent a fortune on physio-therapy for my shoulders and back, > > and lost another fortune by not being creative. > > > > I was explanted about 5 weeks ago and am almost a different > > person. After explant a lot of my " little " symtoms disappeared, > > including my brain fog. That came back about two weeks ago > > and I have been on a sugar free diet since then which seems > > to help it. > > Some of the other bad symptoms, like tingling and numbness > > on one side of my face also have disappeared, the joint pain is > > almost gone and some days non-existent. > > > > Good luck, > > Sunday () > > > > . > > > > > > . > > -----Original Message----- > > From: j_e_ralston [mailto:4rita@c...] > > Sent: Montag, 28. Juli 2003 20:52 > > > > Subject: Introduction New Member > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I have been emailing Patty privately, I am pretty well known on > the > > Net, and right now, I am having enough trouble dealing with > finding > > out my implants are what has taken my life away after having and > > loving them for 26 years, but I told her she could share my email > > and she just emailed that she was going to. I remembered my dear > > hubby has a ID, so I can post with his ID and that will > not be > > taking a bullhorn to the whole net and announcing this. If I > > repeat, I apologize, the brain fog is a biggie with me and it is > > very bad right now pushing my brain to absorb all this > information. > > > > August 16, 1977, changed my life forever. How do I remember this > > day so well? It was the day that Elvis died, it is rather > ironicc > > because I am now fighting for my life, things have been touch > and go > > since February 2000. > > > > I became totally disabled in 1986 with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, > but > > I developed some bizarre health issues one year after my implants > > after looking back. I have been housebound since 1986 and > bedbound > > since 2000. > > > > My first really disturnbing symptoms that made me think that I > had > > MS, as well as the doctors I saw at first, was severely numb > hands, > > arms, feet and legs. I think I have every symptom there is but > > joint pain, I have had very little of that. It was my hands, > legs > > and feet and soon my whole body. The brain fog followed shortly > > thereafter. MS was ruled out, then lupus, then MS again, then > > Huntington's then Lyme, MS again, then Lyme again. Now my > diagnosis > > is CFS with secondary FM and MCS. > > > > I was only recently able to face the fact that my implants were > > leaking, but I did not really want to face it because that meant > > doing something, and I felt too ill to have more implants. I > > finally did face the fact that my implants were not right, they > were > > hurting more and more, so I faced the truth and began to search > the > > Net...that is when I found this group, and my jaw is still on the > > ground because I had no idea women were getting sick from saline > > implants! > > > > I have read and read in the archives in your group, and I have > cried > > and cried for you as well as me, but now I am through crying and > > ready to act. > > > > I think God led me to your group, I am a very committed > Christian, > > and I related to your stories so very much. I have a wonderful > > loving spouse who is also my caretaker. He has to cook, clean, > shop > > and most everything. God gifted him with caretaking, but we are > > both more than ready for me to be better. Maybe I can be, it was > > seeming there was no more hope of that. I have spent thousands > of > > dollars on treatments and supplements, which I know have kept me > > alive, but I am still progressive. > > > > I phoned Dr. Feng's office this morning and had over an hour talk > > with , and I just felt so wrapped in protection and > safety. It > > is hard for me to describe. I am scheduled to see Dr. Feng, > > September 18, and the explant is September 19. I wish it were > right > > this minute. thinks I will get out of my wheelchair and > > slowly regain a lot of my health. > > > > God is so wonderful, I know he led me here. > > > > I told I wanted to have the " lift " , but I don't know. I > will > > get Dr. Feng's opinion but really hope I don't need it, I was > very > > very flat chested to begin with, is it true that the lift takes > more > > tissue? I am not up on that part at all, it is the least of my > > worries, pancakes would be beautiful at this point! I don't heal > > well now and really hate to have more scars. > > > > You all know how hard this is, but you also know how relieved you > > are to get something out of your body that is making you sick. > My > > implants hurt from the beginning and never stopped. I knew no > one > > else with implants in 1977 and living in a little country town of > > 200, I just thought this must be normal. told me this was > not > > normal. Those words hit me like a rock, my body had told me from > > day one these were hurting me. > > > > God bless you all and better health for all of us, I look > forward to > > sharing with all of you. > > > > Love to all, > > Rita > > Rita > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Lena, Even a tiny amount may cause you problems, in my humble opinion. Once you are reacting to something, it doesn't take much to trigger immune responses. Think about a tiny bee sting, or a sliver, I'm sure those plugs are bigger than that. I don't want to scare you, but just remember how cavalier these doctors can be about "little bits of this and little bits of that can't hurt you." Uh-huh. I'd rather err on the side of caution. Are the plugs really helping you? My mother in law has those silicone tear duct plugs and her eyes are always red-rimmed and look irritated. I can't help but blame the silicone. Yes, call me biased, but for good reason! Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: lena_beckk Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain Thanks for posting that. I will be careful. I do sleep with a night guard because I was grinding my teeth so the dentist thought maybe that's why I had cracked some teeth all of the sudden. Sometimes it seems to help,but other times it does seem to make it hurt more. I will definately not get a teflon implant now- I'm glad you told us that because I had never even heard of that. I have eye plugs in my eyes (for Sjogren's) put in a few months ago with a minute amount of silicone, which they say is such a tiny amount that it couldn't harm a person- so I hope that's true. I don't want to micro-manage myself but at the same time I want to feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 I'm thinking along the same lines as you on this. I don't know if they're helping, because soon after they put them in they also put me on these drops called Restasis. My eyes are often red and I can't wear contact lenses due to the dry eye. Maddening. > Lena, > Even a tiny amount may cause you problems, in my humble opinion. Once you are reacting to something, it doesn't take much to trigger immune responses. Think about a tiny bee sting, or a sliver, I'm sure those plugs are bigger than that. I don't want to scare you, but just remember how cavalier these doctors can be about " little bits of this and little bits of that can't hurt you. " > > Uh-huh. > > I'd rather err on the side of caution. Are the plugs really helping you? > > My mother in law has those silicone tear duct plugs and her eyes are always red-rimmed and look irritated. I can't help but blame the silicone. Yes, call me biased, but for good reason! > Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lena_beckk > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain > > > Thanks for posting that. I will be careful. I do sleep with a night > guard because I was grinding my teeth so the dentist thought maybe > that's why I had cracked some teeth all of the sudden. Sometimes it > seems to help,but other times it does seem to make it hurt more. I > will definately not get a teflon implant now- I'm glad you told us > that because I had never even heard of that. I have eye plugs in my > eyes (for Sjogren's) put in a few months ago with a minute amount of > silicone, which they say is such a tiny amount that it couldn't harm > a person- so I hope that's true. I don't want to micro-manage > myself but at the same time I want to feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2003 Report Share Posted July 30, 2003 Patty, I must not have like a full blown case of it. Mine is definitly touch and go, and sometimes painful , and then I dont remember it for a long time. Sounds like it's infected related. Guess I am estatic I dont have the pain these women do, and I am glad you Patty, never had that terrible surgery! You were healed, I' d say. (nna) >From: "*~Patty~*" >Reply- > >Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:33:57 -0700 > >By the way, this makes it sound like I was pregnant before I got married, but that was not the case. I got married in September, and got pregnant in March, so all this happened over a period of time. Just wanted to clear that little part up.... >: > ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: *~Patty~* > > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain > > > I have an experience with TMJ I just have to share, because this is another one of those problems where doctors can really mess you up. This was pre-implant. All I can say is be very careful! > > I had terrible problems with my jaw not being able to open up very far, it would feel very tight, and would click or feel like it was breaking if I opened it past a certain point. I have no idea how it came on, but it was right before I got married, and I had insurance coverage through my job, so I had it checked out by a TMJ specialist. He wanted to do surgery on my jaw, and put a teflon plate in there or something...but just before I headed down to the imaging center for an MRI of my jaw, I found out I was pregnant. When I got there, one of the questions was, "are you pregnant?" and because I was, they wouldn't do the MRI. > > That saved me. > > I say saved, because the doctor was obviously disappointed he wasn't going to be able to do surgery on me, at least at that time, and so he ordered some kind of plastic device, a jaw splint, to wear entirely around the clock. It was incredibly uncomfortable, I couldn't talk well with it, and I was in a management position at the time, so it just didn't fit into my lifestyle. It looked like a football players mouthpiece. Then when I found out the stupid insurance refused to pay for this appliance, I was stuck with a $400 bill for this thing I wasn't going to wear, so I was really getting annoyed by this time. > > So I did nothing. It turned out the whole doctor thing was a waste of time, because my jaw problems ended up just healing by itself. I think I had suffered with this for a year or maybe two, but one day I just realized that my jaw worked well, and I believe it was during the course of my pregnancy, because I never gave it another thought after she was born. That was in 1991. To this day, I have never had any further problems with TMJ issues, and my jaw works just fine! No more noises, and I can open wide again. > > I have found out since that those teflon plates they were putting into people's jaws were dissolving the bones and disintegrating in their heads, causing huge amounts of misery, pain, and suffering, and causing brain cancer. See this group: http://www.angelfire.com/blues/vitek2/tmjstory.html I give thanks to God that He saved me from that, because I was " the blind led by the blind"..I shudder to think of what my life would be like now if I had not been pregnant, listened to that doctor and had gone through that surgery! > > It is just one more example of how doctors screw with our lives, I can't tell you how angry this makes me when they act like they are these Medical Deities with all the answers, but instead they only bring misery and pain. I know they think they are helping, but really, where is their humility, their fear FOR US should anything go wrong? (And it does!) > > I can't tell you not to do something about your TMJ or jaw issues, but I can tell you that mine healed on its own, and to please be very, very, very careful when seeing a doctor about this issue. There are victims out there, just like us with breast implants, only they are victims of TMJ implants. > Patty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JOSEPH PALANCA > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: Face and Teeth Pain > > > Funny Lena, maybe I have TMJ? (Oh no! Not another problem) Got it a few years ago, is that were your jaw clicks and makes grinding sounds? Its on my right side. My teeth are good, but sometimes my jaw will hurt so bad, when I open it too big, or bite down hard-ew! It radiates to my ear. My dentist said it was bad,, and maybe to look into it.(Look into what? I felt like asking Could he be more vague????) Should I do something about it? How bad is yours? Fill me in. nna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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