Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I only take vitamins in response to symptoms, otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they purport to cure. its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe. Vitamin B12 Hi there I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, Vit D and Vit A? what amount is recommended. Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a difference. I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere reputable, pls let me know. Thanks again... it really does take some research to get it all right! Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Hi I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the supliment at this time. I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to keep moving forward as this has really got me down. I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I would stop immediately or at least, do as others do, and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and will run all this by him before proceeding to be on the safe side. Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to try... Alison --- " Benson, (Sen L. ) " <.Benson@...> wrote: > I only take vitamins in response to symptoms, > otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they > purport to cure. > > its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe. > > > > Vitamin B12 > > > > Hi there > > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a > multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can > anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, > Vit D and Vit A? what amount is > recommended. > > Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium > (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to > supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a > difference. > > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is > quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere > reputable, pls let me know. > > Thanks again... it really does take some research > to get it all right! > > Alison > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to > make a difference, can anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, > Vit D and Vit A? what amount is recommended. Recommended amounts usually don't matter to folks who are chronically ill, as you will have to find an amount that works for you. Some people are so hypersensitive that a tiny amount will have the intended effect, while some people have such poor absorption that no amount will help. Also, be on the lookout for bad reactions -- just because something is a " vitamin " doesn't mean that it's good for you! You might want to investigate the debate between synthetic and natural vitamins -- I've always had better luck taking food-derived supplements, either from food extracts or the actual foods. Also, for absorption problems, getting supplements which will absorb in your mouth (e.g. sublingual B-12, ionic minerals) can be more effective than supplements which must be digested and absorbed through the intestines. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Hi, Alison, Re the B12.... be sure to either take by injection or sublingually (under the tongue). If you take as a regular supplement and you have malabsorption, as many ES/MCS/etc people do, then the body will not absorb the B12 thru the gut. As far as how much.... I would go about buying sublinguals and taking them, watching for signs as you are doing, but remember that B12 accummulates over time (as do both Vit D and vit A--these have dietary guidelines and you should NEVER exceed them). What helps you this month, may become excess in months forward. B12 is not thought to be dangerous in excess over a short time, however, as are vits D and A. OR, better, find a nutritionist or doctor to give you the injections and he will regularly draw blood to check your B12 level. One note, tho, I have heard over and over again of people at the celiac forum who report to feel better on B12 even tho they show high blood levels of it. Can't say why this happens, but it does. Hope this helps abit, Diane alison <ajwelectro@...> wrote: Hi I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the supliment at this time. I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to keep moving forward as this has really got me down. I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I would stop immediately or at least, do as others do, and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and will run all this by him before proceeding to be on the safe side. Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to try... Alison --- " Benson, (Sen L. ) " <.Benson@...> wrote: > I only take vitamins in response to symptoms, > otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they > purport to cure. > > its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe. > > > > Vitamin B12 > > > > Hi there > > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a > multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can > anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, > Vit D and Vit A? what amount is > recommended. > > Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium > (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to > supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a > difference. > > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is > quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere > reputable, pls let me know. > > Thanks again... it really does take some research > to get it all right! > > Alison > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 A hematology doc I went to recently prescribed 1000 mcg per day by injection for a week, followed by 1/week for a month, then 1/month. I'm a 160 lb male in my 40's, with B-12 levels measured just 10% below the normal range. Also had low white and red cell counts. B-12 is important for neural function, and some people lack the factors required for uptake (hence the injections). I have not started my injections yet... Good luck and let us know how it goes... Bill On 10/17/07, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Alison, > > Re the B12.... be sure to either take by injection or sublingually (under > the tongue). If you take as a regular supplement and you have malabsorption, > as many ES/MCS/etc people do, then the body will not absorb the B12 thru the > gut. > > As far as how much.... I would go about buying sublinguals and taking > them, watching for signs as you are doing, but remember that B12 > accummulates over time (as do both Vit D and vit A--these have dietary > guidelines and you should NEVER exceed them). What helps you this month, may > become excess in months forward. B12 is not thought to be dangerous in > excess over a short time, however, as are vits D and A. OR, better, find a > nutritionist or doctor to give you the injections and he will regularly draw > blood to check your B12 level. One note, tho, I have heard over and over > again of people at the celiac forum who report to feel better on B12 even > tho they show high blood levels of it. Can't say why this happens, but it > does. > > Hope this helps abit, > Diane > > > alison <ajwelectro@... <ajwelectro%40.co.uk>> wrote: > Hi > > I do take your point but I believe B12 could help with > my numbness which would be my 'symptom'. My recent > blood tests have revealed I was on the very low end of > normal for all B Vits and I was already taking the > supliment at this time. > > I appreciate the feedback but my life has altered so > drastically, I just have to try something maybe a bit > more experimental. I cant just sit here, I have to > keep moving forward as this has really got me down. > > I am writing down symptoms and should I feel worse, I > would stop immediately or at least, do as others do, > and lower the dose. I am under the care of one of the > doctors at the London Homeopathy Hosital in London and > will run all this by him before proceeding to be on > the safe side. > > Thanks though, I am new to this but I just have to > try... > > Alison > > --- " Benson, (Sen L. ) " > <.Benson@... <.Benson%40aph.gov.au>> wrote: > > > I only take vitamins in response to symptoms, > > otherwise I find that they cause the symptoms they > > purport to cure. > > > > its called 'proving' in homeopathy, I believe. > > > > > > > > Vitamin B12 > > > > > > > > Hi there > > > > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a > > multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can > > anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, > > Vit D and Vit A? what amount is > > recommended. > > > > Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium > > (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to > > supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a > > difference. > > > > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is > > quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere > > reputable, pls let me know. > > > > Thanks again... it really does take some research > > to get it all right! > > > > Alison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit For Good > http://uk.promotions./forgood/environment.html > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I get a 1 cc B12 (cyanocobalamin) intramuscular injection monthly. Can't find methylcobalamin in injection form. Sublingual B12 methylcobalamin is readily available though. The Methyl form is superior because it crosses the blood brain barrier. Eli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 By the way, if one doesn't want to have injections, there are oral Vitamin B-12's that are supposed to be absorbable: http://www.becomehealthynow.com/php/article/suppsalpha/350/ Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Hi Alison, I've tried sublingual methylcobalamin B12 and didn't have any noticeable response. From the information I've read, the central nervous system only uses the methyl-cobalamin form of B12. If you supplement with the cyano-cobalamin form of B12, the liver will convert only a small portion of it into methyl-cobalamin. Trying to take large amounts of the cyano- form to get a larger amount of the methyl- form in the body isn't advised since it is an artificial form of B12 and the process to make the cyano- form uses cyanide. I supplement with a methylcobalamin injection and it has helped a lot with my stamina for EM environments and shortened EM exposure recovery times. As far as I know, injectable methylcobalamin is only available by prescription. In the US, the McGuff Compounding Pharmacy (www.mcguff.com) offers it and there may be others. Beau > > Hi there > > I am currently taking VIT B12 as part of a multi-vitamin. To start to make a difference, can > anyone tell me how much I should be taking? Also, Vit D and Vit A? what amount is > recommended. > > Also, whoever it was that said about my magnesium (I think it was Ian), it was low, I need to > supliment by 250mg per sday and hope this makes a difference. > > I am trying to order Zeolite in Uk but this is quite difficult, if anyone knows of anywere > reputable, pls let me know. > > Thanks again... it really does take some research to get it all right! > > Alison > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Deborah, a lot of us here have been successfully using Kombucha to keep our Candida in check. In my case it was the ONLY thing that worked and it works quite quickly. zoe > Hi there Jill > > Thanks for the info really appreciated, the Kombucha may be ok for some > people but if one suffers from Candida then is should really be avoided as > the culture contains a symbiosis > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candida_stellata> Candida stellata, acid > bacteria and yeast. Also recent review on the safety of kombucha suggests > that care should be taken when taking medical drugs or hormone replacement > therapy while regularly drinking kombucha. > > I do understand your comments on detoxification of the liver but what many > people don't realise is that if you begin to detoxify the liver you set off > a chain of events in the body. If people have a compacted colon (which > unfortunately most people do) the liver is working over time already, if you > begin to detox the liver before you purify the colon the body would > immediately enter a challenging healing crisis. Its a sad fact that the > colon is not often considered as the major organ that causes ill health and > disease, liver cleansing does seems to get lots of attention. > > With regards to Brewers Yeast I would not take it as its yeast which I avoid > as it causes bloating in me. I do not take anything that may bring back > Candida, having suffered for many years I never want to be in that position > again so all yeasts are out for me. However I have looked extensively on the > net and can't find anywhere where it says Brewers Yeast contains B12 in fact > it states it does not. It does contain many different vitamins, minerals and > amino acids. The major vitamins are:-Vitamin B1 (thiamin), Vitamin B2 > (riboflavin), Niacin (Vitamin B3). > > All of these are easily obtained from my diet 80% raw and most of my > nutrients come from coconut water and juicing which I do twice a day. > Contraindications to Brewers Yeast are its best avoided by anyone taking > monoamine oxidise inhibitors and people suffering from gout. > > Thanks for the info though as it has spurred me on to dig deeper and I have > found a site that states the following; > > Age RNI > 0 to 6 months 0.3 µg > 7 to 12 months 0.4 µg > 1 to 3 yrs 0.5 µg > 4 to 6 yrs 0.8 µg > 7 to 10 yrs 1.0 µg > 11 to 14 yrs 1.2 µg > 15 + yrs 1.5 µg > Breast feeding women 2.0 µg > > > Good sources of vitamin B12 for vegetarians are dairy products or free-range > eggs. ½ pint of milk (full fat or semi skimmed) contains 1.2 µg. A slice of > vegetarian cheddar cheese (40g) contains 0.5 µg. A boiled egg contains 0.7 > µg. Fermentation in the manufacture of yoghurt destroys much of the B12 > present. Boiling milk can also destroy much of the B12. > > Neither myself or my daughter drink milk but it is probably worth looking at > the pros and cons. Thanks for the info on the fortified cereals the info you > have given me certainly does not show up on the packaging but that does not > surprise me > > I think I will go back to home made cereals and milk in the morning (we > usually have coconut water on our cereal) and eggs and some cheese. Its such > tiny amounts that are needed so I may also look again at supplements. Thanks > so much for your input very much appreciated, wishing you continued optimum > health and vitality. > > Deborah xx > > > Deborah on > Founder > +66 (0)857829019 > deborah@... > Motivate, Educate & Facilitate > Optimum Health & Vitality, Globally > <http://www.puriti.org/> www.puriti.org > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: Coconut Oil > [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of lillisilly > Sent: 28 November 2007 18:48 > Coconut Oil > Subject: Re: Oil Pulling and Weight Loss > > *You would also need to take care of your Vitamin B12 as its only > found in red meat and is needed to keep the central nervous system > healthy amongst other things but a fortified breakfast cereal or a > good supplement would take care of that. You can find info on B12 on > our site, I have recently started a health matrix which is steadily > growing > http://puriti. <http://puriti.org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=Notes01*> > org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=Notes01* > B12 is also found in Brewer's Yeast, and in Kombucha, which is > fermented tea, and is extremely healthful. Kombucha also produces > gluconic acid, which is one of the things our livers produce that > cleanse and detoxify the system. > IMO, most fortified breakfast cereal are very highly processed, and a > great deal of them contain high fructose corn syrup, partially > hydorgenated oils, and cancer causing acrylinimides(from the high > temps of processing). > Most breakfast cereals that are fortified are fortified because they > have stripped every bit of natural goodness from them. > I hope this information helps someone. The more processed any food > is, the less beneficial and more likely to be detrimental to our > health. > I am not trying to be contentious, just share my pov. > Blessings, Jill~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 wow interesting thanks Deborah Deborah on Founder +66 (0)857829019 deborah@... Motivate, Educate & Facilitate Optimum Health & Vitality, Globally <http://www.puriti.org/> www.puriti.org _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of zoe w Sent: 29 November 2007 09:57 Deborah Subject: Re: Vitamin B12 Deborah, a lot of us here have been successfully using Kombucha to keep our Candida in check. In my case it was the ONLY thing that worked and it works quite quickly. zoe > Hi there Jill > > Thanks for the info really appreciated, the Kombucha may be ok for some > people but if one suffers from Candida then is should really be avoided as > the culture contains a symbiosis > <http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candida_stellata> ..org/wiki/Candida_stellata> Candida stellata, acid > bacteria and yeast. Also recent review on the safety of kombucha suggests > that care should be taken when taking medical drugs or hormone replacement > therapy while regularly drinking kombucha. > > I do understand your comments on detoxification of the liver but what many > people don't realise is that if you begin to detoxify the liver you set off > a chain of events in the body. If people have a compacted colon (which > unfortunately most people do) the liver is working over time already, if you > begin to detox the liver before you purify the colon the body would > immediately enter a challenging healing crisis. Its a sad fact that the > colon is not often considered as the major organ that causes ill health and > disease, liver cleansing does seems to get lots of attention. > > With regards to Brewers Yeast I would not take it as its yeast which I avoid > as it causes bloating in me. I do not take anything that may bring back > Candida, having suffered for many years I never want to be in that position > again so all yeasts are out for me. However I have looked extensively on the > net and can't find anywhere where it says Brewers Yeast contains B12 in fact > it states it does not. It does contain many different vitamins, minerals and > amino acids. The major vitamins are:-Vitamin B1 (thiamin), Vitamin B2 > (riboflavin), Niacin (Vitamin B3). > > All of these are easily obtained from my diet 80% raw and most of my > nutrients come from coconut water and juicing which I do twice a day. > Contraindications to Brewers Yeast are its best avoided by anyone taking > monoamine oxidise inhibitors and people suffering from gout. > > Thanks for the info though as it has spurred me on to dig deeper and I have > found a site that states the following; > > Age RNI > 0 to 6 months 0.3 µg > 7 to 12 months 0.4 µg > 1 to 3 yrs 0.5 µg > 4 to 6 yrs 0.8 µg > 7 to 10 yrs 1.0 µg > 11 to 14 yrs 1.2 µg > 15 + yrs 1.5 µg > Breast feeding women 2.0 µg > > > Good sources of vitamin B12 for vegetarians are dairy products or free-range > eggs. ½ pint of milk (full fat or semi skimmed) contains 1.2 µg. A slice of > vegetarian cheddar cheese (40g) contains 0.5 µg. A boiled egg contains 0.7 > µg. Fermentation in the manufacture of yoghurt destroys much of the B12 > present. Boiling milk can also destroy much of the B12. > > Neither myself or my daughter drink milk but it is probably worth looking at > the pros and cons. Thanks for the info on the fortified cereals the info you > have given me certainly does not show up on the packaging but that does not > surprise me > > I think I will go back to home made cereals and milk in the morning (we > usually have coconut water on our cereal) and eggs and some cheese. Its such > tiny amounts that are needed so I may also look again at supplements. Thanks > so much for your input very much appreciated, wishing you continued optimum > health and vitality. > > Deborah xx > > > Deborah on > Founder > +66 (0)857829019 > deborahpuriti (DOT) <mailto:deborah%40puriti.org> org > Motivate, Educate & Facilitate > Optimum Health & Vitality, Globally > <http://www.puriti. <http://www.puriti.org/> org/> www.puriti.org > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> open_forum > [mailto:coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> open_forum ] On Behalf Of lillisilly > Sent: 28 November 2007 18:48 > coconut_oil_ <mailto:Coconut Oil%40> open_forum > Subject: Re: Oil Pulling and Weight Loss > > *You would also need to take care of your Vitamin B12 as its only > found in red meat and is needed to keep the central nervous system > healthy amongst other things but a fortified breakfast cereal or a > good supplement would take care of that. You can find info on B12 on > our site, I have recently started a health matrix which is steadily > growing > http://puriti. <http://puriti. <http://puriti.org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=Notes01*> org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=Notes01*> > org/forum/YaBB.pl?board=Notes01* > B12 is also found in Brewer's Yeast, and in Kombucha, which is > fermented tea, and is extremely healthful. Kombucha also produces > gluconic acid, which is one of the things our livers produce that > cleanse and detoxify the system. > IMO, most fortified breakfast cereal are very highly processed, and a > great deal of them contain high fructose corn syrup, partially > hydorgenated oils, and cancer causing acrylinimides(from the high > temps of processing). > Most breakfast cereals that are fortified are fortified because they > have stripped every bit of natural goodness from them. > I hope this information helps someone. The more processed any food > is, the less beneficial and more likely to be detrimental to our > health. > I am not trying to be contentious, just share my pov. > Blessings, Jill~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Deborah, I agree about the brewer's yeast, yuck! Anyone who is just beginning to drink kombucha should begin with small amounts in order to assess the amount of detoxification that might begin. I have no problem taking a large amount. I have friends who took only a few ounces and the detox symptoms floored them. The variety of candida in kombucha will cause the candida albicans to be overthrown, as it were. Candida albicans and other candida yeasts are natural to our systems, it is overgrowth of candida albicans that brings about adverse health effects. Don't be confused by the front name. Example. We use streptococcus bacteria to culture cheeses! But other strep bacteria are pathogenic. I hope that helps! Also, would you please trim your posts? Makes reading and replying so much easier! Thanks, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Thanks no worries Dxx Deborah on Founder +66 (0)857829019 deborah@... Motivate, Educate & Facilitate Optimum Health & Vitality, Globally <http://www.puriti.org/> www.puriti.org _____ From: Coconut Oil [mailto:Coconut Oil ] On Behalf Of lillisilly Sent: 29 November 2007 18:27 Coconut Oil Subject: Re: Vitamin B12 Deborah, I agree about the brewer's yeast, yuck! Anyone who is just beginning to drink kombucha should begin with small amounts in order to assess the amount of detoxification that might begin. I have no problem taking a large amount. I have friends who took only a few ounces and the detox symptoms floored them. The variety of candida in kombucha will cause the candida albicans to be overthrown, as it were. Candida albicans and other candida yeasts are natural to our systems, it is overgrowth of candida albicans that brings about adverse health effects. Don't be confused by the front name. Example. We use streptococcus bacteria to culture cheeses! But other strep bacteria are pathogenic. I hope that helps! Also, would you please trim your posts? Makes reading and replying so much easier! Thanks, Jill~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 vitamin B12 does not make it through the stomach acid. The best one to get is the sublingual type, you place it under your tongue and let it dissolve. I have had good luck with that type and yes it sure does help with depression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 I'm more used to terming it 5000 mcgs....this is quite a bit to take all at once. I assume you have labs that say you need this much? Personally, I would cut it in half and take one half in the morning and the other half about 2 PM Cheers, Jot > Hi > > I have just received supplements of B12 5mg per tablet. Is that the correct daily dose? > > Thanks > Sue x > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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