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Sue#2,

Thanx for the answer. I don't fall daily, so I don't think it is an

equilibrium problem, but I fall at least once a month. Luckily, most times

I have started to fall, I have been able to grab hold of something to keep

from landing on my face. There have been times I've landed on the pavement

& ripped myself to shreds (usually in a parking lot FULL of

people--UGHGHGHGH). I just feel like my legs are rubber these days and have

no strength whatsoever. It's rather frustrating to go from not falling

since I was a little kid to falling regularly. I feel like one of those

" Gumby " posable figures!! LOL

Oh, and I love your idea about the necklace........order me one too, huh?

Chris

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remembering how to fly "

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> Dear

> Although I really have not had a problem falling, I tend to trip a lot

lately, because my left knee seems to be giving out. I do notice that I am

not as steady on my feet as I used to be, and I am only 36. I am in fear of

what I will be like at 46...lol.....Maybe I will wear one of those necklaces

around my neck at work and start yelling... " I've fallen and cannot get up,

but then again...I don't want to get up, so just leave me here " ...lol....How

often does " falling " occur for you Chris? Is it on a daily basis and do you

feel that your equilibrium is perhaps off, because I know that this has

happened to me, and I had an ear infection that I didn't know of. I know

that some people here have taken some nasty falls, and it seems that they

have been related to Stills at times, but I just find myself very clumsy,

and I was never like this before. If it becomes a big problem I

would definitely talk to my rheumy about it. Be well friend.

> Love, Sue #2

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I had surgery on my knee in 1996 and they did a lateral release to ease the

pain in my knee. I have fallen a lot since then but I can't really say that my

knee is the problem that allows or makes me fall. Sometimes if feels like my

hip, and other times I am just plain too tired to stand up. If I were you, I

think I would run the falls by each of my doctors for their opinions. You would

not want to ignore a neurological or other medical problem. I hate knowing all

the things wrong with me sometimes, but I also like to know so I can deal with

it. Hope you find the cause soon, and that it is easily rectifyable.

Smiles, Caroline

<greywolf@...> wrote: Hi everyone!

Hope all is well -- or as close as can be expected-- with everyone. I have a

question -- does anyone have a problem with falling? I seem to be falling more

frequently as time goes on, and don't know if its from the Still's or what. If

it IS from the Still's, is this " normal " for us, or should I be concerned about

something else???

Chris

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Dear

Although I really have not had a problem falling, I tend to trip a lot lately,

because my left knee seems to be giving out. I do notice that I am not as

steady on my feet as I used to be, and I am only 36. I am in fear of what I

will be like at 46...lol.....Maybe I will wear one of those necklaces around my

neck at work and start yelling... " I've fallen and cannot get up, but then

again...I don't want to get up, so just leave me here " ...lol....How often does

" falling " occur for you Chris? Is it on a daily basis and do you feel that your

equilibrium is perhaps off, because I know that this has happened to me, and I

had an ear infection that I didn't know of. I know that some people here have

taken some nasty falls, and it seems that they have been related to Stills at

times, but I just find myself very clumsy, and I was never like this before. If

it becomes a big problem I would definitely talk to my rheumy about it.

Be well friend.

Love, Sue #2

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I've had falling episodes since all my symptoms started. One minute I'm

fine...the next I've taken a dive! When in the hospital, they usually put me

under " falling precautions. " That only means that I'm not supposed to get up by

myself. Extremely inconvenient.

Can you walk a straight line? Do you have problems with periodic losing your

balance or dropping things? I do, and it bothers me. I figured it was the

Stills, but I haven't seen too many posts about these symptoms.

Sorry, I have no answer whether this is due to Stills (thought I think it is) or

some other problem.

Hope this helped in some way.

Until then...

Jul

(lilac_rose@... )

falling

Hi everyone!

Hope all is well -- or as close as can be expected-- with everyone. I have a

question -- does anyone have a problem with falling? I seem to be falling more

frequently as time goes on, and don't know if its from the Still's or what. If

it IS from the Still's, is this " normal " for us, or should I be concerned about

something else???

Chris

greywolf@...

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Davi, I dont have any specifics but I would think you might find these

answers in road traffic accident reseach as they are simular forces acting

in the same way.

>From: " " <resustrain@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Falling

>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:12:08 -0000

>

>Guys hi

>

>I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

>onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

>forces involved - specifically those below

>

>how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

>shear other organs?

>

>how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

>half

>

>Also is there any published book / research?

>

>thanks all

>

>Dave Halliwell

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Dave,

I'll have a word with a couple of guys I know at CAN - they deal with all sorts

of rope access stuff so might know where to look first.

Regards

Alan

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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,

The U.S. Army Hospital in San Francisco has done exactly the type of studies you

seek. The Golden

Gate Bridge has provided many case studies for them and when our rescuers

reported for duty at

wither Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco or Coast Guard Station Golden Gate,

they were givena

briefing of the trauma they would deal that was written by the physicians at

Letterman Army Medical

Center, the Army hospital there at the time. It has since closed, but you might

seek that data from

the local EMS providers or online.

Here is a website that has some references listed that may help. It is a

Forensic Look at Bridge

jumper trauma.

www.ena.org/conferences/annual/2005/handouts/223-C.pdf

Good luck.

Wachtel

Former San Francisco paramedic

------- Original Message -------

From : [mailto:resustrain@...]

Sent : 12/2/2006 7:12:08 AM

To :

Cc :

Subject : RE: Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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OK ,where does the casualty fall ie. what ground does he land on and which way

up?

Flat, prone ? OK, expect the usual head, neck trauma either way up...... #liver?

Kilonewtons? Who cares? Who measures them or understands them anyway? Go to A & E

and say your patient has just been subjected to ???? kilonewtons of force and

the responce will be a blank look and a " who the feck is this? "

Check out RTA's........... they are the worst statistically in the UK for

ruptured Aortas and Livers i'm led to believe due to the kinetic force.

(+seatbelt around the middle) Usually at high speed impacts but NOT always.

A fall from a great height mostly leaves the liver in tact, kidneys and other

abdominal organs.The lungs can withstand alot too..............

then again, it depends what height you're

falling from

what age

you are

etc......

Kilonewtons ?

If you're THAT board, study something else!!

D. Turnbull

Security Consultant / Medic

U.K. 0044 (0) 7850 833711

Iraq 00964 (0) 7904 516556

Asia Cell 00964 (0) 7702 735134

e-mail : andrewturnbull69@...

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Mechanisms of injury, (Ropes?) is it dynamic/ non-dynamic? where is it

positioned on the body? Professionally? Hap-Hazard? I.E. Harness .............

Hyperextension of the body/spine (lots of force?) or just a good old jolt whilst

stopping on a rope.......... I suppose....... and please correct me if i'm

totally wrong......... but only a highly sensitive test dummy would be able to

tell you that info.

Try Tom , Baz Gorman, Ken , Tom Greaber, Stu Wilkie, Baz Lawton.

LOL

D. Turnbull

Security Consultant / Medic

U.K. 0044 (0) 7850 833711

Iraq 00964 (0) 7904 516556

Asia Cell 00964 (0) 7702 735134

e-mail : andrewturnbull69@...

RE: Falling

,

The U.S. Army Hospital in San Francisco has done exactly the type of studies you

seek. The Golden

Gate Bridge has provided many case studies for them and when our rescuers

reported for duty at

wither Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco or Coast Guard Station Golden Gate,

they were givena

briefing of the trauma they would deal that was written by the physicians at

Letterman Army Medical

Center, the Army hospital there at the time. It has since closed, but you might

seek that data from

the local EMS providers or online.

Here is a website that has some references listed that may help. It is a

Forensic Look at Bridge

jumper trauma.

www.ena.org/conferences/annual/2005/handouts/223-C.pdf

Good luck.

Wachtel

Former San Francisco paramedic

------- Original Message -------

From : [mailto:resustrain@...]

Sent : 12/2/2006 7:12:08 AM

To :

Cc :

Subject : RE: Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Hi dave, I wonder whether it would be worth contacting the manufacturers of

the fall arrest systems, on my last job we used the gotcha rescue system, I

am sure they would have researched the ins and outs of kinetic energy etc.

Just a thought.

Tony

>From: andrewturnbull69@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Falling

>Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:23:23 -0500

>

>OK ,where does the casualty fall ie. what ground does he land on and which

>way up?

>Flat, prone ? OK, expect the usual head, neck trauma either way up......

>#liver? Kilonewtons? Who cares? Who measures them or understands them

>anyway? Go to A & E and say your patient has just been subjected to ????

>kilonewtons of force and the responce will be a blank look and a " who the

>feck is this? "

> Check out RTA's........... they are the worst statistically in the UK for

>ruptured Aortas and Livers i'm led to believe due to the kinetic force.

>(+seatbelt around the middle) Usually at high speed impacts but NOT always.

>A fall from a great height mostly leaves the liver in tact, kidneys and

>other abdominal organs.The lungs can withstand alot too..............

> then again, it depends what height

>you're falling from

> what

>age you are

>

>etc......

> Kilonewtons ?

>

> If you're THAT board, study something else!!

>

>

> D. Turnbull

>

>Security Consultant / Medic

>

>U.K. 0044 (0) 7850 833711

>Iraq 00964 (0) 7904 516556

>Asia Cell 00964 (0) 7702 735134

>

>e-mail : andrewturnbull69@...

>

>

> Falling

>

>

>Guys hi

>

>I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

>onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

>forces involved - specifically those below

>

>how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

>shear other organs?

>

>how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

>half

>

>Also is there any published book / research?

>

>thanks all

>

>Dave Halliwell

>

>

>

>

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Thanks all for your comments

The point I am studying is not the " Hitting the ground bit " , but the

falling onto the fall arrest system as outlined in the original

question.

I thought that some of you may be working within working at height

regulations and may have had access to this info.

Generally I understand a fall arrest lanyard is 'deployed' in a factor 1

fall with approx 6 kilonewtons - and your aorta shears at about 7 kn

leaving very little room for poor technique. But the research on this is

poor.

A fall onto a fall arrest lanyard with factor 2 involvement is fatal

(recently creating 13kn in a drop test manikin study) Hence the

question- For those that understand the above I would appreciate

pointing in the direction of absolute facts.

In simple language as i understand it you can fall on to a fall arrest

lanyard - 2 metres - deploy the fall arrest system - thereby falling 3-4

metres in total and the deceleration force involved (not hitting

anything at all) will cause Aortic shear.

If any of you do have access to the info or suppot teams who work at

heights please please help.

I stress again i am not interested in the hitting the ground bit !

Please read the question!

DH

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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thanks

Fascinating Article - useful for some teaching

Thx

Dave H

RE: Falling

,

The U.S. Army Hospital in San Francisco has done exactly the type of

studies you seek. The Golden

Gate Bridge has provided many case studies for them and when our

rescuers reported for duty at

wither Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco or Coast Guard Station

Golden Gate, they were givena

briefing of the trauma they would deal that was written by the

physicians at Letterman Army Medical

Center, the Army hospital there at the time. It has since closed, but

you might seek that data from

the local EMS providers or online.

Here is a website that has some references listed that may help. It is a

Forensic Look at Bridge

jumper trauma.

www.ena.org/conferences/annual/2005/handouts/223-C.pdf

Good luck.

Wachtel

Former San Francisco paramedic

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Sent : 12/2/2006 7:12:08 AM

To : <mailto:%40>

Cc :

Subject : RE: Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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aLAN THX

dh

Re: Falling

Hi Dave,

I'll have a word with a couple of guys I know at CAN - they deal with

all sorts of rope access stuff so might know where to look first.

Regards

Alan

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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thx roy

Falling

>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 12:12:08 -0000

>

>Guys hi

>

>I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

>onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

>forces involved - specifically those below

>

>how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

>shear other organs?

>

>how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

>half

>

>Also is there any published book / research?

>

>thanks all

>

>Dave Halliwell

>

>

>

>

>

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Andy T

Old squaddie saying i am sure you can relate to.........RTFQ! ( " Read the

f...ing question " )

He is asking about fall arrest systems.

Dave,

Contact " The Access Group "

http://www.the-access-group.com/sal.html

They are a UK based company who are fairly well recognised in the supply and fit

of fall arrest systems. I would have expected them to have detailed research on

the forces exerted when their systems are deployed.

As second port of call would be the IRATA website or Rigg-access forum where a

large number of the dopes on ropes hang out, they would be able to point you in

the direction of some research papers on the subject.

http://www.irata.org/index.asp

http://www.rigg-access.com/

Hope that helps

Regards

Buchanan

> Message Received: Dec 06 2006, 06:36 PM

> From: " Brown "

>

> Cc:

> Subject: Re: Falling

>

> Hi dave, I wonder whether it would be worth contacting the manufacturers of

> the fall arrest systems, on my last job we used the gotcha rescue system, I

> am sure they would have researched the ins and outs of kinetic energy etc.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Tony

>

>

> >From: andrewturnbull69@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Falling

> >Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:23:23 -0500

> >

> >OK ,where does the casualty fall ie. what ground does he land on and which

> >way up?

> >Flat, prone ? OK, expect the usual head, neck trauma either way up......

> >#liver? Kilonewtons? Who cares? Who measures them or understands them

> >anyway? Go to A & E and say your patient has just been subjected to ????

> >kilonewtons of force and the responce will be a blank look and a " who the

> >feck is this? "

> > Check out RTA's........... they are the worst statistically in the UK for

> >ruptured Aortas and Livers i'm led to believe due to the kinetic force.

> >(+seatbelt around the middle) Usually at high speed impacts but NOT always.

> >A fall from a great height mostly leaves the liver in tact, kidneys and

> >other abdominal organs.The lungs can withstand alot too..............

> > then again, it depends what height

> >you're falling from

> > what

> >age you are

> >

> >etc......

> > Kilonewtons ?

> >

> > If you're THAT board, study something else!!

> >

> >

> > D. Turnbull

> >

> >Security Consultant / Medic

> >

> >U.K. 0044 (0) 7850 833711

> >Iraq 00964 (0) 7904 516556

> >Asia Cell 00964 (0) 7702 735134

> >

> >e-mail : andrewturnbull69@...

> >

> >

> > Falling

> >

> >

> >Guys hi

> >

> >I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

> >onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

> >forces involved - specifically those below

> >

> >how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

> >shear other organs?

> >

> >how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

> >half

> >

> >Also is there any published book / research?

> >

> >thanks all

> >

> >Dave Halliwell

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi..i am not sure where you got the figures stated from..but if you take a

climbers angle who falls on his protection will normally falll a factor of 2 but

if (as does happen) thier protection pulls out they will finally come to rest on

a solid chock and thier fall factor could be in the range of 4 or even upto 8 i

have seen a number of theses falls and experienced a couple and no aortic shears

occured i am not saying they don,t i just think your values you have found will

be (are) wrong . And bear in mind these guys fall onto a solid chock with a

violoent arrest with only rope stretch giving any cushion..not a arrest

system..somthing to bear in mind..Troll might be a good company to get in touch

with as they are pretty good in this area...IAN.

<resustrain@...> wrote: Thanks all for your comments

The point I am studying is not the " Hitting the ground bit " , but the

falling onto the fall arrest system as outlined in the original

question.

I thought that some of you may be working within working at height

regulations and may have had access to this info.

Generally I understand a fall arrest lanyard is 'deployed' in a factor 1

fall with approx 6 kilonewtons - and your aorta shears at about 7 kn

leaving very little room for poor technique. But the research on this is

poor.

A fall onto a fall arrest lanyard with factor 2 involvement is fatal

(recently creating 13kn in a drop test manikin study) Hence the

question- For those that understand the above I would appreciate

pointing in the direction of absolute facts.

In simple language as i understand it you can fall on to a fall arrest

lanyard - 2 metres - deploy the fall arrest system - thereby falling 3-4

metres in total and the deceleration force involved (not hitting

anything at all) will cause Aortic shear.

If any of you do have access to the info or suppot teams who work at

heights please please help.

I stress again i am not interested in the hitting the ground bit !

Please read the question!

DH

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Hi thanks for this

The question relates to non dynamic ropes in occupational - police /

tactical environment and if research has been done from front verses

rear attachment.

I have assistance from lyon with regards to the kinetics involved in the

fall, but not the medical shear forces....

Thanks

Dave H

RE: Falling

,

The U.S. Army Hospital in San Francisco has done exactly the type of

studies you seek. The Golden

Gate Bridge has provided many case studies for them and when our

rescuers reported for duty at

wither Coast Guard Air Station San Francisco or Coast Guard Station

Golden Gate, they were givena

briefing of the trauma they would deal that was written by the

physicians at Letterman Army Medical

Center, the Army hospital there at the time. It has since closed, but

you might seek that data from

the local EMS providers or online.

Here is a website that has some references listed that may help. It is a

Forensic Look at Bridge

jumper trauma.

www.ena.org/conferences/annual/2005/handouts/223-C.pdf

Good luck.

Wachtel

Former San Francisco paramedic

------- Original Message -------

From : [mailto:resustrain@ntlworld

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Sent : 12/2/2006 7:12:08 AM

To : <mailto:%40>

Cc :

Subject : RE: Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Ian thanks I will try Troll.... I have assistance now being provided by

Lyon and Petzl,

Thx Again

Dave Halliwell

Falling

Guys hi

I am doing a bit of research on the forces encountered whilst falling

onto fall arrest systems and wondered if anybody knew about the exact

forces involved - specifically those below

how much force in kilo newtons to shear an aorta? how much force to

shear other organs?

how much force before the cheesewire of life (teres) cuts the liver in

half

Also is there any published book / research?

thanks all

Dave Halliwell

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Does your falling have something to do with your injury or your rsd as

opposed to the scs?

In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

eyesrevealsoul1@... writes:

Why do I keep falling ..I fell again in my back yard (sad thing no one

to help)had stimulator put in six weeks ago..see doctor tomorrow for

check up

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I am not sure ...I have just noticed that my legs shake alot now that I have

stimulator like I am losing the strength

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Stimulator

Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:52 AM

Does your falling have something to do with your injury or your rsd as

opposed to the scs?

In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

eyesrevealsoul1 writes:

Why do I keep falling ..I fell again in my back yard (sad thing no one

to help)had stimulator put in six weeks ago..see doctor tomorrow for

check up

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I would suggest seeking immediate medical attention. You wouldn't want to

risk having a permanent condition. It is better to be proactive and wrong

than be inactive and right!

In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:26:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

eyesrevealsoul1@... writes:

I am not sure ...I have just noticed that my legs shake alot now that I have

stimulator like I am losing the strength

From: _UCJAM1977@..._ (mailto:UCJAM1977@...) <_UCJAM1977@..._

(mailto:UCJAM1977@...) >

Subject: Re: Falling

_Stimulator@groStimula_ (mailto:Stimulator )

Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:52 AM

Does your falling have something to do with your injury or your rsd as

opposed to the scs?

In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

eyesrevealsoul1@ writes:

Why do I keep falling ..I fell again in my back yard (sad thing no one

to help)had stimulator put in six weeks ago..see doctor tomorrow for

check up

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could the stimulator turned up and then causing you to fall? my

stimulator has a led is at c-10 which controls both legs my other

section is back and legs then just back maybe the stimulation

settings are not correct. when i turn up leg stimulation my legs will

move jump it freaks my wife out of course im sitting when i do this.

Either your settings are to strong or your rep might need to redo

your settings. also try to have a cane use it till your settings are

adjusted. it sounds like your settings are off Mike group owner

>

> From: UCJAM1977@... <UCJAM1977@...>

> Subject: Re: Falling

> Stimulator

> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:52 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Does your falling have something to do with your injury or your rsd

as

> opposed to the scs?

>

>

> In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> eyesrevealsoul1 writes:

>

> Why do I keep falling ..I fell again in my back yard (sad thing no

one

> to help)had stimulator put in six weeks ago..see doctor tomorrow

for

> check up

>

> ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in

your budget?

> Read reviews on AOL Autos.

> (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review?

ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 )

>

>

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Your Led must be some where else because your Cervical only has C1-7

> >

> > From: UCJAM1977@ UCJAM1977@

> > Subject: Re: Falling

> > Stimulator

> > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 8:52 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Does your falling have something to do with your injury or your rsd

> as

> > opposed to the scs?

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 8/6/2008 8:53:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > eyesrevealsoul1 writes:

> >

> > Why do I keep falling ..I fell again in my back yard (sad thing no

> one

> > to help)had stimulator put in six weeks ago..see doctor tomorrow

> for

> > check up

> >

> > ************ **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in

> your budget?

> > Read reviews on AOL Autos.

> > (http://autos. aol.com/cars- BMW-128-2008/ expert-review?

> ncid=aolaut00050 000000017 )

> >

> >

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