RE: I hope you remember me...need more help -

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Hi don,Sorry, I got a puter bug and just got my puter back from the shop.  You are absolutely right.  Both my husband and I are also in recovery which is so very frustrating.  We both have sponsored lots of people over the years, some still clean, some not.  But when its our own we feel absolutely helpless.  Why can I help some strangers kid but not my own, you know? I do know that I could not get clean until I answered that one question.  Do I want to live or die.  My bottom came in icu on a respirator with the odds being my system would shut down one organ at a time.  I was 23 and that was 22 years ago.  I still choose life every day.  I can't choose it for though. s sponsor asked him the other night if he ought to get him a gun so he could get it over with already and stop torturing people.  did have about a year at one time.  He is going to meetings every day, sick or not.  We know better than to get our hopes up though. Drug treatment in Florida is hard to come by without insurance.  I guess because both his father and I did it without treatment, crawling in the doors terrified and hanging on to others in recovery, we were kind of hoping he would find it in the rooms.  Course that was back when people would come to your house, sit with you or take you to theirs.  I remember my sponsor picking me up with eggs and orange juice to go make 12 step calls at all hours of the night.  Its one of my soap boxes how much things have changed. He was seeing a psychologist but that stopped when his insurance did.  I do know that no amount of professional help is going to help until he decides.  I also know that at my bottom, my family turned their backs on me, took the tough love route.   I understand why.  but I just can't do it to one of mine. Thanks for your prayers.  We need them.  He's dropped massive weight and I have a sinking feeling the worse is still in front of us.  I hope you all don't mind if I stick with the group.  I print a lot of the information and am keeping it for if and when he is ready. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ChristSent: Monday, May 09, 2011 7:24 PM Subject: [ ] I hope you remember me...need more help - Hi I do appologise beforehand, but I am going to be blunt with you, and it may hurt.I also appologise that I have no 'quick fix, easy answers', for you.All I can do is share my thoughts and suggestions, and pray for your family. I know that you love your step-son, but you have a serious and bleak problem on your hands.One that is very common now-a-days.And one that you and your husband are going to find that you all have little control over. I know that you have heard the saying - 'you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink'., we cannot change another person - they have to do that for themselves. We also have to step back sometimes, and let people make their own path in life....even if we lose them in the end. Roxy's are - ROXICODONE® (oxycodone hydrochloride tablets USP), an opioid analgesic.They are immediate release, are addictive, and WILL damage the liver.http://www.rxlist.com/roxicodone-drug.htm Also, we all know that ALCOHOL damages the liver in otherwise healthy individuals.This is well publicized and common knowledge.It is also well known that alcohol speeds up liver damage progression for people with HEPATITIS, AIDS, or any other form of liver disease. , I hate to say this - but your step-son is committing slow suicide by doing these things to his body.He needs to stop, and stop NOW, and never touch these things again for the rest of his life.All the healthy diet, detox, and suppliments are wasted on him, if he continues to destroy his body in this manner. Likewise, jail is not going to do anything to change his life.He will go to jail, do his time, be dry for awhile, and come out the same way as he went in.The first thing he will do upon hitting the streets again, is go get high.And the game starts all over again. I wont ask if this guy wants to live, but that is the underlying question and answer.I would dare say - 'not very much' - seeing as he is an addict.Addicts are blinded by their addiction, and even love, money, fame, and good health are ignored. Your step-son has no goals for his future, even if he occasionally works a job, or attends classes.- He has no commitments to another person, like a lady or children, that might make him re-think his lifestyle.- He is unaware of things like self-respect, self-love, self-pride, self-discipline, self-motivation, etc, and cares little about how his actions affect other people.- He has no idea where he fits in - in the grand scheme of things.- He is naive, unaware, and unafraid of the results of his choices.....except when he gets sick or faces jail.Basically, outside of drug use and hanging out, he is bouncing around in limbo.One could say that he is an adult sized infant. 'THIS' has to change, but like I say - 'only he can change himself'.It must come from inside. He needs PROFESSIONAL HELP, but - unless he accepts and uses that professional help to better his life, this also is a wasted measure. , I was a junkie/alcoholic from the time I hit 14, until I was about 30.I used needles, snorted, ate pills of all kinds, tripped on psychedelics, smoked pot and opium - you name it, I did it.I wasnt normal unless I was 'very' buzzed. I am now 60, and although I dont use street drugs anymore, I am still a junkie, with that junkie mindset.I will be fighting the addiction dragon for the rest of my life. - I was lucky - at age 29, I got blown up in a house fire/explosion and saw my mortality.- At age 30, I met a lady that I wanted to be with.She gave me a choice - her or the drugs - I chose her.- My parents continued to show me support, love, and encourage me, my whole life.My mother died, but my Dad still does.- I come from a big family, and altho Im not living with my family, they still show me love and encouragement.- I am not stupid - as I can - I make positive changes in my life.- Being DX'd at 57 with HCV was a blessing in some ways - I now care about my body, and living. But it took me a long long long time to get where I am today.I had to eat crap many times, sleep under bridges, and climb huge mountains.Still, I am not whole, and maybe never will be.But I am better. Get your step-son in to someone who can give him professional help.Continue to try in any way possible to be supportive and loving of him.Teach him about self-respect.Pray for him, and I will do so also. lovedon in ks From: Tice <linda@...>Subject: [ ] I hope you remember me...need more help " " < >Date: Monday, May 9, 2011, 4:19 PM Hi,I hope you guys remember me. My stepson has hep c. I posted how he seemed to be going downhill quickly. We found out a lot of things. We found out he had been sporadically drinking again. We found out that he had switched drugs to Roxis because someone told him they wouldn't hurt his liver. We found out he hasn't been going to the doctor. We found out he screwed up his probation and is looking at 6 months in jail. and he is now back living with us and we are trying to detox him. He is really sick in the mornings and some better by evening. My husband is an herbalist and we are treating with milk thistle, nettle and red clover with just a tiny amount of valerian at night to help him sleep. We can't tell what is detox and what is sickness from the liver but he is throwing up a lot and holding that same spot on his stomach. Is he right, do you all know? If he was taking roxies, would they cause further damage? Is there anything else we should be doing? We need to get him healthier before he goes to jail. But right now, as tough as it is we think jail might be the safest place for him. He is an adult and we can't ultimately stop him from using. it’s a really helpless feeling. Thanks so much for listening,