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I respect this and promise to not go there again. I agree 100% with

everything you said.

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In , " *~Patty~* " <fdp@l...> wrote:

> Okay,

> I've got some things to say, and I am not happy about any of this.

I'm really fed up with this whole Dr. Kolb issue, and the controversy

surrounding her. There has been controversy about her forever, and

obviously it is not going to go away. And in my mind, there is only

one reason that there is a controversy. It is the same reason we

have a problem with our implants. Because something is WRONG. I can

only place the blame on one person, and that would be Dr. Kolb

herself. If there had been no controversial actions or comments

made to women, there would be no controversy.

>

> , what is it about this issue that you know and

doesn't? I am sure you think I am clueless as well. Please, I would

really appreciate it if you would enlighten us!

>

> As the saying goes, there are always two sides to a story. Please

keep this in mind. It is unfortunate that any threats have been

issued at all, as it only serves to chill voices.

>

> I may make an unpopular decision, but I think it is the only one

that will help at this point. I am all for discussing our

experiences with our doctors, as this is the only way we can really

know who to go to. I really do not want to muzzle anyone, and

indeed, I think it is damaging to do so.

>

> However, due to legal issues that seem to have cropped up regarding

Dr. Kolb, I am going to have to ask that all of you take ALL

DISCUSSIONS OF DR. KOLB PRIVATE. JULIE, THIS INCLUDES YOU. IF

ANYONE ASKS ABOUT EXPERIENCES WITH DR. KOLB, YOU MUST MAKE PRIVATE

COMMENTS TO THE PERSON INQUIRING. Any further comments about Dr. Kolb

will be removed and posters will be put on moderated status.

>

> I am going to ask that all of you honor and respect this decision.

>

> So far as I am aware, there are no other legal issues with any

other doctor, so we will be free to have open discussions in all

other areas. I hope that all of you will be understanding of this

position.

> Patty

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I highly doubt that talking about my positive experience with Dr " " would put us at an increased risk for lawsuit whatsoever. That is not the issue. It would be the negative responses and comments made in return that would. It is really sad that my explant has to be so hush hush. How is that fair to me? If this were completely fair , perhaps it may have been said that negative comments made about any doctor should be placed personally. That would solve the "problem" and the constant negativity.

However, I guess seeing that this situation works "perfectly" that would be the final answer.

I don't wish to enlighten anyone with the information I know, and the experiences I have had with other doctors either. Why? I'll just be argued with, what's the point? Most importantly, I don’t want to even go there out of respect for your recent request, Patty.

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From: naturalbeauty38

Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 3:22 PM

Subject: Re: IMPORTANT TO ALL

I respect this and promise to not go there again. I agree 100% with everything you said.hugsIn , "*~Patty~*" <fdp@l...> wrote:> Okay, > I've got some things to say, and I am not happy about any of this. I'm really fed up with this whole Dr. Kolb issue, and the controversy surrounding her. There has been controversy about her forever, and obviously it is not going to go away. And in my mind, there is only one reason that there is a controversy. It is the same reason we have a problem with our implants. Because something is WRONG. I can only place the blame on one person, and that would be Dr. Kolb herself. If there had been no controversial actions or comments made to women, there would be no controversy.> > , what is it about this issue that you know and doesn't? I am sure you think I am clueless as well. Please, I would really appreciate it if you would enlighten us!> > As the saying goes, there are always two sides to a story. Please keep this in mind. It is unfortunate that any threats have been issued at all, as it only serves to chill voices.> > I may make an unpopular decision, but I think it is the only one that will help at this point. I am all for discussing our experiences with our doctors, as this is the only way we can really know who to go to. I really do not want to muzzle anyone, and indeed, I think it is damaging to do so. > > However, due to legal issues that seem to have cropped up regarding Dr. Kolb, I am going to have to ask that all of you take ALL DISCUSSIONS OF DR. KOLB PRIVATE. JULIE, THIS INCLUDES YOU. IF ANYONE ASKS ABOUT EXPERIENCES WITH DR. KOLB, YOU MUST MAKE PRIVATE COMMENTS TO THE PERSON INQUIRING. Any further comments about Dr. Kolb will be removed and posters will be put on moderated status.> > I am going to ask that all of you honor and respect this decision. > > So far as I am aware, there are no other legal issues with any other doctor, so we will be free to have open discussions in all other areas. I hope that all of you will be understanding of this position.> Patty

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I appreciate your desire to honor my recent request. I just wish all this whining would end.

This is not about making your explant hush hush. You can talk all you want about your healing, your surgery, your emotions or any other matter regarding your experience. I have often talked about my explant, but have you heard me fawning all over the doctor?

No matter what I do, you are going to view it as bias, because you are biased about this . If you would see this in the appropriate light, you would know that my desire is to keep this group on an even keel, without the edginess or tension associated with certain subject matter. Unfortunately, this one issue is, and has been, the central problem practically since this group was created. It is just better to avoid it altogether. I hope you will see that this IS fair. It is fair to me, to you and all the others here who want support and encouragement no matter where we stand. Now, please, let us move forward.

Patty

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From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: IMPORTANT TO ALL

I highly doubt that talking about my positive experience with Dr " " would put us at an increased risk for lawsuit whatsoever. That is not the issue. It would be the negative responses and comments made in return that would. It is really sad that my explant has to be so hush hush. How is that fair to me? If this were completely fair , perhaps it may have been said that negative comments made about any doctor should be placed personally. That would solve the "problem" and the constant negativity.

However, I guess seeing that this situation works "perfectly" that would be the final answer.

I don't wish to enlighten anyone with the information I know, and the experiences I have had with other doctors either. Why? I'll just be argued with, what's the point? Most importantly, I don’t want to even go there out of respect for your recent request, Patty.

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Patty, I emailed you personally re: this.

----- Original Message -----

From: *~Patty~*

Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 9:40 AM

Subject: Re: Re: IMPORTANT TO ALL

,

I appreciate your desire to honor my recent request. I just wish all this whining would end.

This is not about making your explant hush hush. You can talk all you want about your healing, your surgery, your emotions or any other matter regarding your experience. I have often talked about my explant, but have you heard me fawning all over the doctor?

No matter what I do, you are going to view it as bias, because you are biased about this . If you would see this in the appropriate light, you would know that my desire is to keep this group on an even keel, without the edginess or tension associated with certain subject matter. Unfortunately, this one issue is, and has been, the central problem practically since this group was created. It is just better to avoid it altogether. I hope you will see that this IS fair. It is fair to me, to you and all the others here who want support and encouragement no matter where we stand. Now, please, let us move forward.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: JOSEPH PALANCA

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:14 PM

Subject: Re: Re: IMPORTANT TO ALL

I highly doubt that talking about my positive experience with Dr " " would put us at an increased risk for lawsuit whatsoever. That is not the issue. It would be the negative responses and comments made in return that would. It is really sad that my explant has to be so hush hush. How is that fair to me? If this were completely fair , perhaps it may have been said that negative comments made about any doctor should be placed personally. That would solve the "problem" and the constant negativity.

However, I guess seeing that this situation works "perfectly" that would be the final answer.

I don't wish to enlighten anyone with the information I know, and the experiences I have had with other doctors either. Why? I'll just be argued with, what's the point? Most importantly, I don’t want to even go there out of respect for your recent request, Patty.

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