Guest guest Posted February 2, 1999 Report Share Posted February 2, 1999 Hi , My pediatrician told me that the Hepatitis B vaccine can cause arthritic symptoms TEMPORARILY after the shot. He also said that the older the child, the more chance of having the symptoms. He's recommending that the vaccine series be completed before the age of 10 (or younger if possible) thus minimizing the chance of the reaction. I don't know anymore about a long term reponse as your son has had, but will pray for his relief. If it is only a temporary thing, we can keep hope that this will go away and NEVER return!!!!! God Bless, Debra HuffakerES@... wrote: > > From: HuffakerES@... > > I just read an article linking Hepatitis B vaccination and RA in adults. Also > MS. My son has developed RA symptoms over the last year. Each flare up that he > had was within 5-8 days of his hepatitis B shot. It is a series of 3 and we > have had major flare up each time. Not that we knew this when we were going > through all of the testing. He is not where he was a year ago but better. We > did 6 months of prednisone and now are awaiting the results of a muscle > biopsy. His joint and muscles ache all the time. Cramping in the muscles is > daily and sometimes intolerable. Sorta hard for a 15 year old to handle. Any > others heard about his link????? > > Reno > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription > to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and > select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 1999 Report Share Posted February 2, 1999 There was a feature story on this on either 20/20 or Dateline just a couple of weeks ago. One of the patients they featured was a 4 year old boy who was terribly crippled with juvenile RA, which had come on immediately after receiving the Hep B vaccine. They also profiled a number of adults who were similarly affected. The little boy was being given all the standard toxic RA meds, with poor results, and I wanted to cry for him. I only hope his family hears about AP. Hope your son starts feeling better. a rheumatic new to all this From: HuffakerES@... I just read an article linking Hepatitis B vaccination and RA in adults. Also MS. My son has developed RA symptoms over the last year. Each flare up that he had was within 5-8 days of his hepatitis B shot. It is a series of 3 and we have had major flare up each time. Not that we knew this when we were going through all of the testing. He is not where he was a year ago but better. We did 6 months of prednisone and now are awaiting the results of a muscle biopsy. His joint and muscles ache all the time. Cramping in the muscles is daily and sometimes intolerable. Sorta hard for a 15 year old to handle. Any others heard about his link????? Reno ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, or to change your subscription to digest, go to the ONElist web site, at and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 1999 Report Share Posted February 2, 1999 Dear , You bet I've heard of the link between hep b vaccination and rheumatoid arthritis. I initially thought the onset of my RA was connected to being immunized with red blood cells from an rh positive donor. (This was to boost my anti-d titer--long story) I wrote directly to Dr Classen an some other doctors at the Center for Disease Control and the National Institute of Health. The first professional I consulted with, a Homeopathic Doctor, told me that there is a correlation between the increased use of immunizations and the increased occurrence of the so-called auto-immune diseases. As the use of vaccinations rose so have things like asthma, adult onset diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, MS etc. Here is one letter I got from Classen: <<Dear Ms. jolly, I think it is highly possible that the Rh immunization may have triggered your disease. Immune stimulation is known to cause autoimmunity. The Physicians Desk reference cites interferon as a cause of autoimmunity. You may want to check Pub med on the internet for more info. >> Here is what Wilder at NIH said: <<Immunizations of all types are under scrutiny. We have no evidence that rheumatoid arthritis is transmitted by plasma. /RL Wilder>> As the result of this information I decided not to get a flu shot this season. I don't want to trade avoiding a short sickness and end up getting yet another " auto-immune " disease. j PS Here is Classen's address Bart Classen [mailto:classen@...] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: HuffakerES@... I just read an article linking Hepatitis B vaccination and RA in adults. Also MS. My son has developed RA symptoms over the last year. Each flare up that he had was within 5-8 days of his hepatitis B shot. It is a series of 3 and we have had major flare up each time. Not that we knew this when we were going through all of the testing. He is not where he was a year ago but better. We did 6 months of prednisone and now are awaiting the results of a muscle biopsy. His joint and muscles ache all the time. Cramping in the muscles is daily and sometimes intolerable. Sorta hard for a 15 year old to handle. Any others heard about his link????? Reno Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 In a message dated 1/17/2003 8:16:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, kevtamj@... writes: 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what? 2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? Tammy, Ok, I'm going to do my best to talk you out of feeling guilty! Unfortunately, most of us here are all in the same boat, we tried like heck to reposition, and it failed us (some have seen great results with repo, but I think the majority have not). It's extremely hard to repo when your child also has limitied neck range, or the flat spot is such that it takes great momentum to get out of that rut, so once there, they stay there- so don't feel bad at all- and the fact that she was a preemie could very well have already set the stage for how her headshape grew in the direction it did. It's definetly NOT your fault, you tried, and it just didn't work. On your question #1, for us it really depended on the situation, sometimes a quick answer, "it helps make his head round" was all I'd have to say, especially to children who thought he was in pain or had a head injury. To others in waiting rooms I would get a little more detailed, if they asked. It really depended on my mood, and how the question was asked, I felt a little like a mother lion protecting her cub at times, but in no way felt I had to explain this wasn't my fault. You don't have to go there (unless you really want to- this is also a great opportunity to educate others about plagio). Only you have walked in those shoes, I don't think you couldn't put into words the stress, anguish, challenge, heartache, fear that the time you spent repoing would do justice for. Keep in mind that you know what the story is, and that's all that matters. If someone wants to challenge that, so be it, you've been down this road and can give educated answers and move on. If you didn't care about your child, you wouldn't be here, and you wouldn't be so proactive in getting treatment. I never encountered anyway who thought it was our fault- so you may be just playing the "what if" game because its still the great unknown. Keep your chin up, your a GREAT Mom! Good luck to you and please keep us posted on how the fitting goes! ' Mom (DOC grad 5-8 mnths, dx with tort @ 2 months, pt from 3-9/10 mnths) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi Tammy, First of all this is NOT your fault!! A lot of us parents here have felt the same way. The guilt is just a part of it. From what you say it sounds as if your daughter had/has torticollis. Plaigo is secondary to tort. I'm sure before your daughter's diagnosis you never even heard of plagio. So how could you of prevented something you knew nothing about? When people ask me (which is rare, most ppl just gawk at my daughter) I tell them about plagio and what causes it and how it can be prevented. I think the more plagio awareness, the better. Welcome to the group. What type of helmet will be getting? > Hi! My daughter will be fitted for her helmet next week. > I'm not worried about her wearing it. We are planning to decorate > it up! However, I do have some questions for anyone who wants to > answer back. > 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do > you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what? > 2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? I > am a stay home mom, and I feel like I did all I could to avoid > this. I followed the doctor's recommendations - We moved her to > different sides of the crib, moved her on the changing table, moved > her to different arms when feeding, did tummy time, etc. Still, I > feel like people look at me like I did something wrong. I had to > exercise her neck daily to get her to turn her head to the left. > She was a preemie, born 4 weeks early, and from what I've read that > could have played a part in this. However, I still feel like people > look at me like I could have prevented this. Does anyone else feel > this way? And if not - talk me out of it! I hate feeling guilty, > knowing I did all I could to prevent it. > Thanks, > Tammy (Mom to , 7 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi Tammy & welcome to our group! It's great you daughter's helmet will be in soon and she'll soon be on her way to a rounder head! Do you know what type of helmet she'll be getting (STARband, DOCband, local)? You sound like you're very excited to get her helmet, it's good to hear you're not worried! There are some great decorating tips at www.plagiocephaly.org/support then " decorating tips " . We just put stickers on my Abby's bands, pretty much to go along with the season. When people asked us what was " wrong " with Abby when they saw her band, I simply told them the band was to help round her head out as it had gotten flat, I also liked to compare the band to braces for your teeth. I would tell some people that, that the band was just like teeth braces, it's helping straighten out her crooked little head! Guilt - one of our most talked about topics, esp. from new members like yourself. You certainly sound like you've done everything withing your power to help 's plagio. Unfortunately, some things are just out of our control and out of our hands. Your daughter had 2 strikes against her to developing plagio, she was a preemie, and she sounds to have torticollis. I've told many parents to not feel guilty about their child's plagio, so please please please don't beat yourself up over it. Some children have softer skulls and are more prone to plagio than others. The important thing now is, that you're getting treatment and soon her flat head will be a distant memory!! Welcome again, it's good to have you w/us. Please let us know when her helmet is in. Debbie Abby's mom DOCGrad MI > Hi! My daughter will be fitted for her helmet next week. > I'm not worried about her wearing it. We are planning to decorate > it up! However, I do have some questions for anyone who wants to > answer back. > 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do > you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what? > 2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? I > am a stay home mom, and I feel like I did all I could to avoid > this. I followed the doctor's recommendations - We moved her to > different sides of the crib, moved her on the changing table, moved > her to different arms when feeding, did tummy time, etc. Still, I > feel like people look at me like I did something wrong. I had to > exercise her neck daily to get her to turn her head to the left. > She was a preemie, born 4 weeks early, and from what I've read that > could have played a part in this. However, I still feel like people > look at me like I could have prevented this. Does anyone else feel > this way? And if not - talk me out of it! I hate feeling guilty, > knowing I did all I could to prevent it. > Thanks, > Tammy (Mom to , 7 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Tammy- Welcome to the group! When people asked me I told them Dane's head was mishapened and the band was making his head round. There are some cards in the files section. They have plagio info on them. For a little while I handed them out when I went places and people just stared. I would just walk up and hand them one (I am like that!). I put my phone number on them and once even got a call asking for more info. All in all I would say most people are pretty nice about the whole situation. Sure I felt guilty! Dane had reflux and we were told by the Cleveland Clinic (#3 hospital in US!) to lay him only on his right side. This damaged his neck muscles and gave him plagio. 8 weeks later he didn't even resembled himself! I beat myself for a while because I chose such a crappy hospital to deliver at (you should hear all the things that happened!). Of course I knew I really had no reason to feel guilty. This wasn't my fault. Even the doctors weren't intentional in giving me this horrible advice, just ignorant. As soon as Dane got his band, those guilty feeling all subsided because I knew that I WAS doing the right thing for him! It is so hard as parents to not feel guilt about a lot of things. I even felt guilty about feeling guilty! Repositioning is hard work! It doesn't work for everyone and that isn't your fault. It didn't work for us either. Dane's mom DOC Grad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi my daughter Jenna was Starbanded at 9 months. Most people just say how cute she is. Others have asked what the helmet is for. I tell them she has plagio but I don't go into a big talk. Jenna's started inutero. It worsened due to her preference of her left side. They said she didn't have tort just a slight tilt. Sometimes at 1st I felt it was my fault it got worse. I know now it isn't my fault. We also followed the Dr.s recommendations of repositioning and tummy time, etc. I feel great now because I got her the helmet and she has done wonderful. You are a great mom. You did everything the Dr. said. You are getting your daughter a helmet. All the work you are doing for shows how wonderful and a loving mother you are. Please don't feel guilty anymore. I haven't had a preemie but I have heard many others with preemies say that does play a part in it. Good luck with her fitting next week! Angie and Jenna (Starbanded 10/21) New to all this > Hi! My daughter will be fitted for her helmet next week. > I'm not worried about her wearing it. We are planning to decorate > it up! However, I do have some questions for anyone who wants to > answer back. > 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do > you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what? > 2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? I > am a stay home mom, and I feel like I did all I could to avoid > this. I followed the doctor's recommendations - We moved her to > different sides of the crib, moved her on the changing table, moved > her to different arms when feeding, did tummy time, etc. Still, I > feel like people look at me like I did something wrong. I had to > exercise her neck daily to get her to turn her head to the left. > She was a preemie, born 4 weeks early, and from what I've read that > could have played a part in this. However, I still feel like people > look at me like I could have prevented this. Does anyone else feel > this way? And if not - talk me out of it! I hate feeling guilty, > knowing I did all I could to prevent it. > Thanks, > Tammy (Mom to , 7 months) > > > For more plagio info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Tammy, Hi, how funny, my cousins name is Tammy and she has a daughter names !! But, we have heard all sorts of things about our son's helmet. I think that with everyone here, we could write a book about what people say to us. Our son has a locally made helmet, and people are always stopping us asking why does he need to wear a bike helmet in a stroller? Or does he have to wear that because he bangs his head on things? Or the funniest is where in the world did you get a stocking hat like that? Ok, first of all, his helmet looks like a bike helmet, not a stocking hat! But, we just tell them that he has a flat head from being a breached baby. But if they made a really weird coment about it, we just laugh and walk away. But it is so funny, since my husband is a teacher and a coach, right now he is in wrestling, everyone at the meets knows why Jeffry has to wear a helmet, but they all refer to it as his "head gear" , I think that is the best one yet. You have to just take it all with a grain of salt, and laugh. It is a lot of fun though to hear these things. Best of luck and let us know what you hear. Heidi, mom to Jeffry, local helmet, MN New to all this Hi! My daughter will be fitted for her helmet next week. I'm not worried about her wearing it. We are planning to decorate it up! However, I do have some questions for anyone who wants to answer back. 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what?2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? I am a stay home mom, and I feel like I did all I could to avoid this. I followed the doctor's recommendations - We moved her to different sides of the crib, moved her on the changing table, moved her to different arms when feeding, did tummy time, etc. Still, I feel like people look at me like I did something wrong. I had to exercise her neck daily to get her to turn her head to the left. She was a preemie, born 4 weeks early, and from what I've read that could have played a part in this. However, I still feel like people look at me like I could have prevented this. Does anyone else feel this way? And if not - talk me out of it! I hate feeling guilty, knowing I did all I could to prevent it.Thanks,Tammy (Mom to , 7 months)For more plagio info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Welcome Tammy ... this is a great group of people who have lots of good advice. My son just got banded yesterday and we have already had lots of questions and comments from lots of people. So far all of them have been pretty positive. I think I would rather they ask about it then just stare. The staring hasn't bothered me ... my husband gets a little irked though. I think he thinks is getting his feelings hurt. Since he is only 7 months I really doubt that, lol. We went to the zoo after his first fitting and a group of school kids were saying that he was the cutest baby ever ... which he is in me eyes, lol. That just proves that the band doesn't take from their personalties and charming baby looks. Mom of banded 7/16/03 7 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 oops I meant to put the date banded 1/17/03 ... I got ahead of myself there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Hi Tammy, My daughter, , was born 3 weeks early and I also had to do neck stretches with her. 1. When people would ask what happened I wouldn't get really technical or say too much. I would basically say that 's head got squished when I was carrying her and the helmet was working much like braces for teeth to mold her head back into shape. If they seemed to want to know more I would elaborate from there. 2. I too am a SAHM and I felt some guilt for not realizing that there was a problem to correct. When was diagnosed with plagiocephaly AND torticollis I felt sad and angry that other babies didn't have to go through stretching and had perfectly round heads. Why did my baby have to struggle through all of this? Could I have prevented the severity some way? But I came to realize there was no way to have prevented it. I could have treated it sooner if 's pediatrician had been more concerned, but not prevented it. was diagnosed with both conditions at 4 months, banded at 5 months and graduated at 7.5 months. With constant neck stretching her tort was resolved fairly quickly. Now that all treatments are completed I feel a lot better. You definitely will too. Please don't beat yourself up over this. It sounds like you've done a great job with and you've already been proactive with the stretching and getting her helmet. The time passes quicker than you'd think & (10 months, STARband Grad) > Hi! My daughter will be fitted for her helmet next week. > I'm not worried about her wearing it. We are planning to decorate > it up! However, I do have some questions for anyone who wants to > answer back. > 1. What do you say to people when they ask you what happened? Do > you go into detail about plagiocephaly, or what? > 2. Does anyone feel like it is their fault that this happened? I > am a stay home mom, and I feel like I did all I could to avoid > this. I followed the doctor's recommendations - We moved her to > different sides of the crib, moved her on the changing table, moved > her to different arms when feeding, did tummy time, etc. Still, I > feel like people look at me like I did something wrong. I had to > exercise her neck daily to get her to turn her head to the left. > She was a preemie, born 4 weeks early, and from what I've read that > could have played a part in this. However, I still feel like people > look at me like I could have prevented this. Does anyone else feel > this way? And if not - talk me out of it! I hate feeling guilty, > knowing I did all I could to prevent it. > Thanks, > Tammy (Mom to , 7 months) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hello all, I am the 3 f's (41,fat and fair) I don't consider myself horribly overweight though- just enough to have gallstones :-) I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and my breast bone. Having just had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 months(total hysterectomy with bladder repair, leaving one ovary and a breast reduction) and a minor surgery (trgger thumb release) when I had my hyst. I really don't want to have another surgery, I can't afford it for one thing a for another I do not want to go through the pain of another surgery. BUT, I am having big pain with this gallbladder thing and I was looking up alternatives to surgery when I found this site and started thinking about doing all this stuff. Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do first and why I need to do it? I have been reading that I need to do a flush- but which is better the week long thing or the overnight thing, and do I need to do a kidney flush before I do the liver flush? and what about the bug zapper?? How much does all this cost to do- I am very poor at the moment and if I have to buy a grapefruit then that's fine but what about all the other stuff that goes with it? I also have a 1/2 gallon of olive oil that I bought at sam's club is this OK or do I need a different kind? Did I mention that I am pretty scared about doing the flush thing as I saw that gallbladder full of stones and about passed out and how in the world do those things comeout of you? I have a poor diet as well, yesterday I ate a frozen yogurt bar, 2 slices of pizza from dominos and their dots dipped in sugar, I had tuna noodle casserole with fresh cauliflower (yay!) for dinner and then a few dark chocolate kisses before I went to bed. I have no fruit in my house seeing as we just got back from vacation, on vacation I had a few nights with pain on the night that I had sloppy joes and the night I had spaghetti, I have pain pills though from the doc who thought I had a spinal spur so when I have big pain I just get up and take a pain pill (vicoden 500mg)sometimes I have to take 2. Am I beyond hope? I am willing to try this so I don't have to have surgery but I have read that doing the flush does not always help the pain and that is what I am concerned about. I also don't know that I'm willing to change my diet forever so should I just get it out and forget it? Help someone please :-) thanks for reading-sorry so long- karela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Hi Karela and welcome to the group. No one whose undergone surgeries willingly wants to be subjected to further avoidable trauma on the body. But I am concerned as to your symptoms clearly indicating gallbladder problems. The pain is mostly under the right ribs in the FRONT, but may also radiate to the back. Relying on pain killers is only good for a short time solution. Pain killers are no good on a daily basis for the overall good functioning of your body. Constipation and kidney disfunction may be the result. Some of your questions will be answered by going to the files and the links section of the group. Read the files and I'm sure that you will find some good info. Getting healthy is not only doing a " flush " . It is a total lifestyle. You must also eat healthy. There are many ways to get a healthy liver/ gallbladder and some are more suitable for each individual. You also do not need to go the expensive route. I've dug up my own dandelion roots in clean ground instead of buying them already processed. Please feel free to ask any further questions. Good luck on your pathway to health, ~Suzanne " karela41 " <HdSo5@a...> wrote: > I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) > with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side > that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and > my breast bone. >...Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do > first and why I need to do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Hi karela, Welcome to the list. There's lots of info here in the archives and the links like Suzanne said, and there are many opinions, so no one can really saw step by step what you personally need to do. My opinion for what it's worth is that your biggest immediate need is to keep researching and learning. Only then can you make good decisions about your own health. All this need not be expensive, but the most information out there is going to be provided by someone who wants to sell you something (Dr. Hulda is one exception). You've got to sift through it all and see what you want to do the most and the least. It will boil down to what long term effects do you want compared with what short term convenience you get. You can usually find less expensive ways to get the good benefits that someone will charge you a lot for. Educating yourself about alternative health methods eventually leads you to realize that the difference between conventional methods and alternative is that conventional methods try and eliminate the symptoms without curing the problem, and usually making worse problems in the process. The alternative methods eliminate health problems, and the symptoms go away on their own. Your pain pills eliminate, temporarilly, the symptom of a malfunctioning body. The body continues to malfunction. Other worse symptoms show up later. Removing the gall bladder removes one of the symptoms of a malfunctioning body and causes more malfunctioning with more symptoms eventually. The body continues to malfunction and as you get older the symptoms just keep increasing. The medical community gives you the reason " you're just getting old " . Let's just get old without accelerating our loss of good health if we can I wish I could tell you that you can just do a flush or two and avoid surgery and not even have to change your eating habits but.... Keep researching and bite off one chunk at a time. Try to incorporate one good thing into your life at a time. As you get used to the one thing, try another. Example: Try and cut back on white sugar, white flour, and hydrolized oil (margerine). Ok, well, that's three things , but they are all so important that you can't go wrong getting them all out of the way at once. The less your food is processed the better is a good general rule for making daily choices of what to eat. You'll find out more about what will benefit you and see what you think you can do. You can make your own zapper if you want to, or find an electronically inclined person to do it for you. You can do a parasite cleans with herbs without the zapper. Or, you can do like a lot of other people and skip the parasite cleanse and go right to the liver flush. Ideally, you'd do the parasite cleanse first with the herbs with our without the zapper, but that's up to you. See your post wasn't so long. Best Regards, Vince > Hello all, > I am the 3 f's (41,fat and fair) I don't consider myself > horribly overweight though- just enough to have gallstones :-) > I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) > with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side > that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and > my breast bone. > Having just had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 months(total > hysterectomy with bladder repair, leaving one ovary and a breast > reduction) and a minor surgery (trgger thumb release) when I had my > hyst. I really don't want to have another surgery, I can't afford it > for one thing a for another I do not want to go through the pain of > another surgery. > BUT, I am having big pain with this gallbladder thing and I was > looking up alternatives to surgery when I found this site and started > thinking about doing all this stuff. > Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do > first and why I need to do it? I have been reading that I need to do > a flush- but which is better the week long thing or the overnight > thing, and do I need to do a kidney flush before I do the liver > flush? and what about the bug zapper?? How much does all this cost to > do- I am very poor at the moment and if I have to buy a grapefruit > then that's fine but what about all the other stuff that goes with > it? I also have a 1/2 gallon of olive oil that I bought at sam's club > is this OK or do I need a different kind? > Did I mention that I am pretty scared about doing the flush > thing as I saw that gallbladder full of stones and about passed out > and how in the world do those things comeout of you? > I have a poor diet as well, yesterday I ate a frozen yogurt bar, > 2 slices of pizza from dominos and their dots dipped in sugar, I had > tuna noodle casserole with fresh cauliflower (yay!) for dinner and > then a few dark chocolate kisses before I went to bed. I have no > fruit in my house seeing as we just got back from vacation, on > vacation I had a few nights with pain on the night that I had sloppy > joes and the night I had spaghetti, I have pain pills though from the > doc who thought I had a spinal spur so when I have big pain I just > get up and take a pain pill (vicoden 500mg)sometimes I have to take 2. > Am I beyond hope? I am willing to try this so I don't have to > have surgery but I have read that doing the flush does not always > help the pain and that is what I am concerned about. I also don't > know that I'm willing to change my diet forever so should I just get > it out and forget it? Help someone please :-) > thanks for reading-sorry so long- karela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Karela, I admire you for wanting to put a stop to the surgical approach to health -- that takes a lot of courage. You made me laugh when you said " Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old. " It made me laugh because that's the way I felt when I came here. But, I quickly realized that everyone here has a completely different approach (which is far better than everyone rigidly thinking there is only one way!) so I got busy and did the research they suggested. I took a few weeks to get everything together -- I printed out a " cleanse recipe " so I would be able to haul it with me to the store so I wouldn't forget what I would need and I started taking anti- parasite herbs (I take garlic, cayenne, and black walnut hulls). I didn't take the herbs for very long before I decided to go ahead and do the gall-bladder cleanse. The cleanse I did involved the half- day fast, a simple epsom salt enema, and drinking 16oz. of cold- pressed olive oil and 1 cup of lemon juice slowly over a 3 hour period then going to sleep and waiting until morning to flush the gallstones out. I'm kind of impatient and not great with rules and directions so I suspect that if the cleanse worked for me (and it did) that it could work for anyone. I passed hundreds of small (pea-sized) stones, and a couple dozen stones the size of large grapes. It didn't hurt to pass the stones. The " flushing " action of the cleanse felt a little like having a mild case of the 'flu so I stayed at home as much as I could, but I didn't have any cramping or fever or any other adverse effects. Cost...I got everything at Wal-Mart...about $2 for the olive oil, $2 for the lemons, $1.50 for the Epsom salts, $10 for the rubber enema bag (kit). Everything else I had on hand. The herbs (the three I use are all available at Wal-Mart) cost about $4-6 a bottle, but if you got your cayenne and garlic in the grocery aisles they would probably be cheaper. Yes, you should make radical changes in your diet. Yes, you should check with a doctor to make sure you're not experiencing the early symptoms of a heart attack and not gallstones. But even if you don't do either one of these you can still do a cleanse and be reasonably sure that you will be much better off than before you did the cleanse. The better your diet the fewer cleanses you'll need to do, but there are some people here who seem to have the dietary will-power of a Buddhist monk and they still have problems and need to do the cleanses. I'm not very good at dieting, either, but I try. Hanging out here helps because these people help to give me motivation. Again, I'm not a doctor, and as far as I know my approach only works for me and there are those who would doubt that it even " works " for me! So, I won't feel badly if you ignore all of it! I wish you good health and wise choices. Luci > Hello all, > I am the 3 f's (41,fat and fair) I don't consider myself > horribly overweight though- just enough to have gallstones :-) > I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) > with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side > that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and > my breast bone. > Having just had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 months(total > hysterectomy with bladder repair, leaving one ovary and a breast > reduction) and a minor surgery (trgger thumb release) when I had my > hyst. I really don't want to have another surgery, I can't afford it > for one thing a for another I do not want to go through the pain of > another surgery. > BUT, I am having big pain with this gallbladder thing and I was > looking up alternatives to surgery when I found this site and started > thinking about doing all this stuff. > Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do > first and why I need to do it? I have been reading that I need to do > a flush- but which is better the week long thing or the overnight > thing, and do I need to do a kidney flush before I do the liver > flush? and what about the bug zapper?? How much does all this cost to > do- I am very poor at the moment and if I have to buy a grapefruit > then that's fine but what about all the other stuff that goes with > it? I also have a 1/2 gallon of olive oil that I bought at sam's club > is this OK or do I need a different kind? > Did I mention that I am pretty scared about doing the flush > thing as I saw that gallbladder full of stones and about passed out > and how in the world do those things comeout of you? > I have a poor diet as well, yesterday I ate a frozen yogurt bar, > 2 slices of pizza from dominos and their dots dipped in sugar, I had > tuna noodle casserole with fresh cauliflower (yay!) for dinner and > then a few dark chocolate kisses before I went to bed. I have no > fruit in my house seeing as we just got back from vacation, on > vacation I had a few nights with pain on the night that I had sloppy > joes and the night I had spaghetti, I have pain pills though from the > doc who thought I had a spinal spur so when I have big pain I just > get up and take a pain pill (vicoden 500mg)sometimes I have to take 2. > Am I beyond hope? I am willing to try this so I don't have to > have surgery but I have read that doing the flush does not always > help the pain and that is what I am concerned about. I also don't > know that I'm willing to change my diet forever so should I just get > it out and forget it? Help someone please :-) > thanks for reading-sorry so long- karela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Karela, I describe the cleanse I did on one of my web pages. You really don't have to buy all the extras suggested, the basic cleanse will work...but some like to go deeper with their cleanses so some products are mentioned. I think my description of what I did is pretty good, but does need updating as I keep adding things here and there, and just did another flush a month or so ago. The link is http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html Happy reading, cleansing and flushing <smile>. L. Meydrech, CN http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes HerBulletin FREE Health Analysis: http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech/healthAnalyzer.jsp mailto:claudiameydrech@... " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2003 Report Share Posted July 28, 2003 Hello karela! First i would like to say that it is very good you have decided to go nline and do a little research, now you you know more about healthy living and hopefully will continue to learn more. With searching for information you have started your treatment! I am sure you are already familiar with many wonderful procedures which can make your body much healthier. You definitely need to do something and do it as soon as possible. Bowel cleanse, antiparasite program, kidney cleanse, liver cleanse- these buddies will help you a lot in your health problems. Some of them need preparation time (like liver cleanse), some don't. What you can do right now is to change your diet and add some exercises to your daily routine. Processed foods, sugar, chocolate, products of flour(bread, pastas, cookies, pies, pizzas, white rice, instant oats, cornmeal...), canned food, fast food, soft drinks, animal fats- these contribute greatly into rapid developing of the diseases; you should try to avoid them, or at least have as little of them as possible. it is hard in the beginning but believe me, you will have less and less cravings for them as you reduce them and substitute them for more healthy foods: fruits, vegetables, nuts, sprouted grains, oils... Exercising will help you in it, try to walk at least 15 min per day every day-this should be a minumum program to do daily. Prior to doing kidney and liver cleanse you should do a bowel cleanse. your intestines should be cleansed of old accumulations in order for a liver cleanse to be successful. if you are constipated your bowel cleanse should last longer, at least 2 weeks to clear your bowels properly before the liver cleanse. Read more about bowel cleanse in the bowel cleanse section of the site. Combine bowel cleanse with parasite cleanse and after you are finished with it start kidney cleanse followed by liver cleanse. You can also read more about them on the site. Try to maintain a healthy diet, exercises, cleanses and your body will show its gratitude by being healthy and beautiful. You can do it, good luck! > Hello all, > I am the 3 f's (41,fat and fair) I don't consider myself > horribly overweight though- just enough to have gallstones :-) > I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) > with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side > that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and > my breast bone. > Having just had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 months(total > hysterectomy with bladder repair, leaving one ovary and a breast > reduction) and a minor surgery (trgger thumb release) when I had my > hyst. I really don't want to have another surgery, I can't afford it > for one thing a for another I do not want to go through the pain of > another surgery. > BUT, I am having big pain with this gallbladder thing and I was > looking up alternatives to surgery when I found this site and started > thinking about doing all this stuff. > Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do > first and why I need to do it? I have been reading that I need to do > a flush- but which is better the week long thing or the overnight > thing, and do I need to do a kidney flush before I do the liver > flush? and what about the bug zapper?? How much does all this cost to > do- I am very poor at the moment and if I have to buy a grapefruit > then that's fine but what about all the other stuff that goes with > it? I also have a 1/2 gallon of olive oil that I bought at sam's club > is this OK or do I need a different kind? > Did I mention that I am pretty scared about doing the flush > thing as I saw that gallbladder full of stones and about passed out > and how in the world do those things comeout of you? > I have a poor diet as well, yesterday I ate a frozen yogurt bar, > 2 slices of pizza from dominos and their dots dipped in sugar, I had > tuna noodle casserole with fresh cauliflower (yay!) for dinner and > then a few dark chocolate kisses before I went to bed. I have no > fruit in my house seeing as we just got back from vacation, on > vacation I had a few nights with pain on the night that I had sloppy > joes and the night I had spaghetti, I have pain pills though from the > doc who thought I had a spinal spur so when I have big pain I just > get up and take a pain pill (vicoden 500mg)sometimes I have to take 2. > Am I beyond hope? I am willing to try this so I don't have to > have surgery but I have read that doing the flush does not always > help the pain and that is what I am concerned about. I also don't > know that I'm willing to change my diet forever so should I just get > it out and forget it? Help someone please :-) > thanks for reading-sorry so long- karela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > > get the things julia has for your problems at > www.sensiblehealth.com or call 1-416-248-2930 > she says your liver needs to be clean to release gstones. > i had to use the malic acid for 4 day fast, then 4 flushes in a row > to get the sludge and mucusy slime out it was yellow to almost to > white, this is how a nanobacteria pluges the bile ductes a md. told me. > read www.nanobaclabs.com > www.hemex.com/paradigm_shift.html > > > > Hello all, > > I am the 3 f's (41,fat and fair) I don't consider myself > > horribly overweight though- just enough to have gallstones :-) > > I have just diagnosed myself (with the help of a few friends) > > with having gallbladder pain. My pain is in my back on the right side > > that hurts when I take a deep breath and radiates to my shoulder and > > my breast bone. > > Having just had 2 major surgeries in the last 5 months(total > > hysterectomy with bladder repair, leaving one ovary and a breast > > reduction) and a minor surgery (trgger thumb release) when I had my > > hyst. I really don't want to have another surgery, I can't afford it > > for one thing a for another I do not want to go through the pain of > > another surgery. > > BUT, I am having big pain with this gallbladder thing and I was > > looking up alternatives to surgery when I found this site and started > > thinking about doing all this stuff. > > Could someone please tell me, like I'm 6 years old- what to do > > first and why I need to do it? I have been reading that I need to do > > a flush- but which is better the week long thing or the overnight > > thing, and do I need to do a kidney flush before I do the liver > > flush? and what about the bug zapper?? How much does all this cost to > > do- I am very poor at the moment and if I have to buy a grapefruit > > then that's fine but what about all the other stuff that goes with > > it? I also have a 1/2 gallon of olive oil that I bought at sam's club > > is this OK or do I need a different kind? > > Did I mention that I am pretty scared about doing the flush > > thing as I saw that gallbladder full of stones and about passed out > > and how in the world do those things comeout of you? > > I have a poor diet as well, yesterday I ate a frozen yogurt bar, > > 2 slices of pizza from dominos and their dots dipped in sugar, I had > > tuna noodle casserole with fresh cauliflower (yay!) for dinner and > > then a few dark chocolate kisses before I went to bed. I have no > > fruit in my house seeing as we just got back from vacation, on > > vacation I had a few nights with pain on the night that I had sloppy > > joes and the night I had spaghetti, I have pain pills though from the > > doc who thought I had a spinal spur so when I have big pain I just > > get up and take a pain pill (vicoden 500mg)sometimes I have to take 2. > > Am I beyond hope? I am willing to try this so I don't have to > > have surgery but I have read that doing the flush does not always > > help the pain and that is what I am concerned about. I also don't > > know that I'm willing to change my diet forever so should I just get > > it out and forget it? Help someone please :-) > > thanks for reading-sorry so long- ka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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