Pregnant with Gallstones!

[Guest guest]

Well... this is the first time I post on here... I found the site and

decided to become a member... alot of the stories and questions

helped me out quite a bit... I'm just wondering if their are any

other pregnant women on here that have gallstones! I've read about

the " flushes " etc... but being pregnant their are many things that I

can't do! I'm to the point where i'm scared to eat cause if I get an

Attack their is nothing that can be done... I have to go the hospital

immediately so they can monitor the baby and I... it's getting to be

more of a pain than anything... So anyway... If theirs anyone out

there that has any good advice on the " do's and dont's " of eating...

Plzzzzzzzzzzz help...

Thank You all in Advance!!!

Noella A.K.A Bud_Babe20

[Guest guest]

> Hello,

>

> I never heard of someone dying from a stuck stone IF

> they get to the hospital. During an attack if you take

> magnesium - it will relax your bile ducts so the stone

> can pass. Do not have surgery> Your gall bladder is

> not unnecessary. Increased estrogen helps the stones

> form - thus many fertile women have stones. Try to

> avoid soy stuff and milk products (estrogen) and try

> to eat foods that break down the stones, apple juice,

> beets, veggie juices, certain spices, etc. There is

> much to learn at curezone and the internet.

>

>

Good advice .

Is there a part of the body that does not have a function? Who created man?

Do you think God will create something without a function? Do you think God

does not know he is doing?

Every part of the body has a function. Read history of medicine and you will

realise how traditional medicine has misguided people throughout the

centuries. Medicine at one time said the thymus did not have a function in

adults. Today, we know that is false. Diabetics were starved to prevent the

abnormal increase in blood sugar. Was that good medical practice? Not today,

but at the time it was gospel truth because it was coming from physicians.

Do we have to believe all that they tell us? Will todays truths still hold

tomorrow ( a few years time)?

There are different classes of medicine just as there are different maps of

a country that it describes. If we take the United States for example, we

can have numerous different maps of this country's land mass. One map might

show population, another might show per capita incomes, another might show

religious or ethnic distribution, another might show road map and still

another might show political or geographic morphology like mountains and

valleys and rivers etc.

As long as the map is based on accurate information and has been created

with self-consistent logic, then one map is not necessarily more correct

than another. The issue is to use the right map for what you are trying to

do. If one wants to travel from Florida to New York, then a road map is

probably the right one for that job but is not necessarily a truer or more

real description of the United States than a map showing annual rainfall.

What I am geeting at here is that the map is not the terrain. The western

biological map of the human body is only one potentially useful medical map.

It is no more true than the traditional Chinese medical map or Indian

medicine medical map, and the facts of one map cannot be reduced to the

criteria or standards of another unless they share the same logic.

As long as the Western medical map is capable of solving a person's disease

in a cost-efective, time-efficient manner without side effects or

iatrogeneisis (meaning doctor-caused disease), then it is a useful map.

Other methods of medicine need to be judged the same way. The Chinese

medical map of health and disease is just as real as the Western biological

map as long as, using it, professional practitioners are able to solve their

patients' health problems in a safe and effective way.

There are a few pregnant women with gall stones on this list and this is my

advice. Do not panic. Stress is not good the baby. Relax and pray that God

protects the baby from harm. Eat healthy.

Drink raspberry tea everyday and you will have an easy childbirth. Eat lots

of apples and other vegetable juices. Drink tea made from phyllanthus amarus

( herbal stone breaker).

After delivery of the baby you can try a gallbladder flush but do not remove

your gallbladder because a human has told you it has no function. Can that

human create a gallbladder?

If you are still confused visit a herbalist and also a hypnotherapist.

Dr. s-Louis Friedli, PgDip., MSc., CHt., R.H., RB., Ph.D.

Herbalist, Scientist & Hypnotherapist

[Guest guest]

Hi, I'm 21 weeks pregnant, and I also have gallstones.

I didn't know about that, until 2 months ago, when I had a terrible

attack. I was in a lot of pain and I went to ER. They first ruled out

miscarriage, and then they found out I had gallstones.

The ER doctor told me to avoid fatty foods, and get a surgery after I

deliver the baby.

My primary care doctor told me the same thing (again, no specific

dietary instructions, just " avoid fatty foods " ).

I talked to a surgeon (referred by my primary care doc), and he said

" avoid fatty foods " , too. He also said to me that I will have another

attack, it's just a matter of time. He said gallbladder is an

unnecessary organ and needs to go out. He said there are no non-surgical

alternatives. He told me he'd like to do surgery in the 2nd trimester.

In the 3rd trimester, surgery or attack could cause pre-term labor.

Finally, I talked to my OB, who again said " avoid fatty foods " . I said,

everyone's been telling me that, can you say anything more specific? She

then said don't eat beacon (which I don't eat anyway, because I'm

vegetarian...)

I have a coworker who was pregnant with gallstones. She had her

gallbladder removed after her baby was born, and she's feeling fine now.

I don't know what to do, so I'm just eating very low fat foods, lots of

vegetables and fresh fruits. Nothing fried, and nothing that has more

than 6g of fat per serving. It has worked for 2 months; I hope it will

work for another 4 and a half months. (Knock on wood)

After the baby is born, I plan to see en internist, and discuss

non-surgical ways to treat gallstones. I'm afraid of those flushes -

what is a stone gets stuck in a bile duct? The surgeon I talked to said

that a stone in a bile duct can kill a person!

If the internist is willing to supervise my flushes, then I'll do them

(after the baby is born, of course). I definitely don't want to do

flushes during pregnancy, because I'm worried they might trigger an

attack, which might cause pre-term labor.

Good luck!!! How far along are you?

Bud_Babe wrote:

>Well... this is the first time I post on here... I found the site and

>decided to become a member... alot of the stories and questions

>helped me out quite a bit... I'm just wondering if their are any

>other pregnant women on here that have gallstones! I've read about

>the " flushes " etc... but being pregnant their are many things that I

>can't do! I'm to the point where i'm scared to eat cause if I get an

>Attack their is nothing that can be done... I have to go the hospital

>immediately so they can monitor the baby and I... it's getting to be

>more of a pain than anything... So anyway... If theirs anyone out

>there that has any good advice on the " do's and dont's " of eating...

>Plzzzzzzzzzzz help...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Olya,

The following link will give you a few ideas about flushing and

pregnancy.

http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en & lr= & ie=UTF-

8 & cof=L:http://CureZone.com/cz5.jpg%3BLH:40%3BLW:300%3BAH:center%

3B & domains=CureZone.com & sitesearch=CureZone.com & q=pregnancy+liver+cle

anse & spell=1

(Copy and paste the all of the above address lines one by one in the

browsers address bar if you don't get there by clicking on the

above.)

Some people suggest to take lecithin to help to emulsify the fat;

others say to take water every day and use a teaspoon of Epsom

salt/day in the water (not enough epsom salts to cause diarrhea).

You should also look into which foods help to assist in

gallbladder/liver health.

The flush with great quantities of epsom salts should be avoided.

There are some gentler flushes which take a longer time for the same

results, but are gentler on the body. There are some cleanses that

do not use Epsom salts. Go to the group's links pages and look up

the cleanses folder. There are also dietary links to explore.

I hope that this helps,

~Suzanne

[Guest guest]

I don't quite understand what you said here. All I

know is that I KNOW it is possible to remove stones

with flushes and therefore need NO surgery.

Hi, :

Except in my case, I had to end up having surgery and had no choice, although

since late 2001 I did cleanses and removed a mountain of stones with great

success! But in the end of the matter, I had to finally have GB removal. I'm

feeling good, though, but if I were anyone else, I would still try to save it

as long as is possible!

Susie

[Guest guest]

I didn't say I was going to have surgery. I want to learn about all the

possibilities, and then make a decision. Since my first (and so far only

- knock the wood) attack, it's been two months, and the very-low-fat

diet seems to be working for now.

I'm not drinking milk anyway (I'm vegetarian), but I can't really avoid

soy, because it's my main source of proteins.

Where do I get a list of foods that break down the stones?

Thanks,

-F

Wortkoetter wrote:

>can pass. Do not have surgery> Your gall bladder is

>not unnecessary. Increased estrogen helps the stones

>form - thus many fertile women have stones. Try to

>avoid soy stuff and milk products (estrogen) and try

>to eat foods that break down the stones, apple juice,

>beets, veggie juices, certain spices, etc. There is

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't say I was going to have surgery. I want to learn about all the

possibilities, and then make a decision. Since my first (and so far only

- knock the wood) attack, it's been two months, and the very-low-fat

diet seems to be working for now.

First off, low fat isn't the key and is dangerous. If Dale was

around, he'd tell you exactly that. When he first found out that he had a

gallbladder problem and was doing cleanses and eating low fat, he had a bad

attack

and had to go to the ER. Turns out it was a liver attack. He was damaging his

liver eating just low fat and not your essential fats.

For some good information about a healthy liver diet, see Dr. Cabot's

website at:

liverdoctor.com

Eating healthy for your liver is what you want to do, since whatever good you

do for your liver, you're also doing for your gallbladder.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I have read that foods containing malic acid can help erode hardened

stones...with time. Apples are the most popular choice...and I have

consistently read, from many sources that fresh squeezed, unheated

apple juice is the best to use for this purpose.

If the stones are not hardened...then, I would focus on increasing

foods that increase bile production in the liver (bitters and dark

leafy greens)

As a lifelong vegetarian, and a strong believer in the raw food diet,

(based on my own very positive experience with it being raw...but not

yet vegan raw...as many are trying now), I have found that there are

a lot more sources of digestible protein out there than commonly

believed (read " Raw Power " ..this guy works with a lot of bodybuilders

and athletics, who want to improve their performance with the energy

the raw food diet seems to provide but not loose muscle mass that can

sometimes occur if the diet change is not done properly). I

personally do not reply on soy and dairy to get my protein and have

not seen any loss of muscle mass...in fact with the raw diet I have

toned up quite a bit and always feel better when I stick with this

diet, then when I don't. I do still consume raw goat's products and

an occasional raw egg " on occasion " without apparent problems....but

only when they are raw. I still get " twinges " and a nauseous feeing

in my gut when I try to eat cooked forms of dairy. I avoid cow's

milk product...because some of my family members have shown a marked

intolerance to cow's milk..either cooked or uncooked...but not to raw

goat's milk. so, I tend to think the intolerance may be

inherited....just not as noticeable in me.

Because of the enzyme inhibitor problem that is present in the soy...

(the thing that is casing so much controversy concerning proper

thyroid function) ...I have resorted to using only soy beans that

have been done in a way the deactivates this inhibitor. The only

proven way to do this so far, that I have read about, is either by

sprouting the bean (best for 3 days before use) or fermenting the

bean before using.

Blessings,

Christa

> I didn't say I was going to have surgery. I want to learn about all

the

> possibilities, and then make a decision. Since my first (and so far

only

> - knock the wood) attack, it's been two months, and the very-low-

fat

> diet seems to be working for now.

>

> I'm not drinking milk anyway (I'm vegetarian), but I can't really

avoid

> soy, because it's my main source of proteins.

>

> Where do I get a list of foods that break down the stones?

>

> Thanks,

> -F