Why So Angry Lucinda?

[Guest guest]

Lucinda,

I will be the first one to admit that my initial post had a condescending and

unsupportive tone to it and I apolgize for that. I tried to qualify and soften

what

I was saying at the end of the message by including how much I respect those

are into this healing method(considering how challenging it is). And if you you

read my second post, I was much more friendly, supportive and

understanding than in the first one, having realized the error of my ways. Of

you did not comment on this because it didn't provide you with any evidence

for the diatribe you were so eager launch against me--but that's fine. As long

as you were able to express your feelings and not hold them in--I am glad you

posted, as it actually helped me a great deal in the end.

In any regard, I will state again some of the main things I was feeling/thinking

when I wrote those posts. First, that this is quite possibly the most

challenging

and rewarding of all natural health disciplines. Those that arose the strength ,

discipline and courage to do this repeatedly are extraordinary individuals with

the rare ability to totally reclaim their full healing potential and achieve

whatever they want with their health and lives. I feel while this may sound

lofty

and elite, it is really praise for the many here who have done the cleanse and

an invitation for them to do whatever they can to continue to improve their

health. The qualities necessary to succeed with this procedure are those that

are needed to succeed in virtually every other aspect of life and I was trying

to

point that out. At least part of me hoped that people would read what I said

and think to themselves, " Hey, he's right--I am unique and courageous--I can

be as healthy as I want and I have the discipline to take control of my life! "

Of

course, I did not write the post that well or in the right frame of mind and I

take

responsibility for that. But my intentions we not to put people down, I assure

you.

Next, I just wanted to contend the notion that it takes only 3-6 flushes to

TOTALLY clear all of one's gallstones out. It may for some, but my experience

and my interactions with some people who have supervised thousands of

individuals on flushes has shown this to be very unlikely. I realize that this

means very little to the newcomer who is just starting out, but for those who

are bit more experienced(it's fair for me to assume that most of the people are

somewhat experienced with this), that you might want to continue flushing if

your goal is to have them all out. As I said, you can still be healthy(er)

without

having 100% of yourr stones cleared, but there is always greater health just

around the corner if you want it.

Another thing I wanted to say is related to the first thing I mentioned. Namely,

that if you can commit and succeed in this procedure--then you have more

than enough ability to eat well and be as healthy as you choose. The sky is

the limit. Why not use this as a powerful tool to be more clear and happy with

whatever diet/appraoch you choose. I eat a raw food diet but I understand that

people can be healthy and happy on a wide variety of diets--from Price-like

diet, to vegan, to vegetarian, macrobiotic, etc. This cleanse is so amazing for

increasing your ability to digest, to be free from craving less than excellent

foods, overeating any kind of food and feeling great overall--why not channel

and magnify that wonderful energy into an approach/perspective that helps

you progress even further? Of course, one shouldn't feel guilty if he or she

eats something unhealthy--but that's not what my pizza comment was about. I

was just referring to a post where someone had posted that they ate(and had

been successful) in clearing out stones by eating massive amounts of pizza in

the same day. I did not feel that this was in the healing and progressive spirit

of this forum with so many people suffering from degenerative conditions and

felt I should say something.

Some of my initial questions still stand--why are we here and why are we

doing this procedure? Our short term goal is to detoxify and feel better but

what is our long-term goal? Perhaps we want to temporarily avoid surgery but

then what? Do we go back to the habits that brought about this emergency

situation in the first place? If you are pushing an anything goes and just be

'normal' way of living/thinking then I will ALWAYS disagree with you. It has

nothing to do with my age. The pressure to be normal kills more people and

ruins more lives in this country than perhaps anything else. Of course, we all

have different goals in our lives and I understand not wanting to totally

alienate ourselves, from friends family and society. But does that mean that I

should go to Mcs' or not tell people that there might be a better or more

deeply fulfilling way to go about things?

Lastly, I don't really know how to respond to the highly critical and somewhat

angry elements of your post. You are bothered that 'implied' some things that

are unsupportive and brash, yet you insulted me several times. And I do have

a life other than my health, but it is my opinion that one can benefit

tremendously from shifting much of their focus to their health, getting to a

point

where they are happy, clean, clear and energized--and then running with

those feelings of empowerment and energy to create the life that they've

always dreamed of. This is not just my 'brashness' or youth talking, it is

something I will always believe and hold as long as I am on this planet. Most

people who have come to be experts in a field and who help people

considerably are extremely dedicated and borderline obsessive about what

they do. Our seeing their dedication, experience and results makes us trust

them and gives us faith that they can help us also. No one says to

or Jim Rohn, " You jerk! You always talk about what rich people do and make

regular people feel bad who aren't as 'perfect' as you are. " IT IS BECAUSE he

is extremely thorough, dedicated and went to great lengths to be successful

that we trust what he says, even if his advice seem radical, unrealistic or rubs

us the wrong way. The fact that no one else reacted to my posts as harshly as

you did tells me that what I said might have hit a nerve with you personally

and I apologize to you if that is the case. I regretted that first post right

after I

posted it and your response to me at least helped me to clarify what I really

intended and how to articulate that. I wish you the best in whatever direction

you choose to go.

Tony

PS--Has anyone tried that SA 's coffee that is just for enemas? I am

considering ordering but would like to hear from someone who tried it.

And thanks to those who posted the wonderful info on coffe enemas--they had

helped me so much in conjection with this I would never consider personally

doing a flush again without one.

PPS--I know some have posted about this before, but has ayone done a flush

with the Shultz Liver/GB formula? How did it compare to doing one without it

the formula?

[Guest guest]

Tony I am glad you got my post and I am glad that it helped you in

whatever way it helped you. I have never had any of my posts deleted

here, so this is a first for me, but apparently I'm not supposed to

tell you how I feel. I don't think my post was any angrier than yours

but according to the moderator it was unacceptable.

I am glad that you are happy in your life and that you enjoy people

who " obsess slightly " about things. That is not my personality type

and I tend to view people like that with suspicion, wondering what

they will be obsessing about next year.

Hopefully I will still be allowed to post responses here to people

who want to take less strident approach to their health but still

want to learn how to do a flush and want some encouragement as they

try this new and, to them, unusual procedure.

If you want to see how I usually respond to people you can always

look through the archives.

Luci

> Lucinda,

> I will be the first one to admit that my initial post had a

condescending and

> unsupportive tone to it and I apolgize for that. I tried to qualify

and soften what

> I was saying at the end of the message by including how much I

respect those

> are into this healing method(considering how challenging it is).

And if you you

> read my second post, I was much more friendly, supportive and

> understanding than in the first one, having realized the error of

my ways. Of

> you did not comment on this because it didn't provide you with any

evidence

> for the diatribe you were so eager launch against me--but that's

fine. As long

> as you were able to express your feelings and not hold them in--I

am glad you

> posted, as it actually helped me a great deal in the end.

>

> In any regard, I will state again some of the main things I was

feeling/thinking

> when I wrote those posts. First, that this is quite possibly the

most challenging

> and rewarding of all natural health disciplines. Those that arose

the strength ,

> discipline and courage to do this repeatedly are extraordinary

individuals with

> the rare ability to totally reclaim their full healing potential

and achieve

> whatever they want with their health and lives. I feel while this

may sound lofty

> and elite, it is really praise for the many here who have done the

cleanse and

> an invitation for them to do whatever they can to continue to

improve their

> health. The qualities necessary to succeed with this procedure are

those that

> are needed to succeed in virtually every other aspect of life and I

was trying to

> point that out. At least part of me hoped that people would read

what I said

> and think to themselves, " Hey, he's right--I am unique and

courageous--I can

> be as healthy as I want and I have the discipline to take control

of my life! " Of

> course, I did not write the post that well or in the right frame of

mind and I take

> responsibility for that. But my intentions we not to put people

down, I assure

> you.

>

> Next, I just wanted to contend the notion that it takes only 3-6

flushes to

> TOTALLY clear all of one's gallstones out. It may for some, but my

experience

> and my interactions with some people who have supervised thousands

of

> individuals on flushes has shown this to be very unlikely. I

realize that this

> means very little to the newcomer who is just starting out, but for

those who

> are bit more experienced(it's fair for me to assume that most of

the people are

> somewhat experienced with this), that you might want to continue

flushing if

> your goal is to have them all out. As I said, you can still be

healthy(er) without

> having 100% of yourr stones cleared, but there is always greater

health just

> around the corner if you want it.

>

> Another thing I wanted to say is related to the first thing I

mentioned. Namely,

> that if you can commit and succeed in this procedure--then you have

more

> than enough ability to eat well and be as healthy as you choose.

The sky is

> the limit. Why not use this as a powerful tool to be more clear and

happy with

> whatever diet/appraoch you choose. I eat a raw food diet but I

understand that

> people can be healthy and happy on a wide variety of diets--from

Price-like

> diet, to vegan, to vegetarian, macrobiotic, etc. This cleanse is so

amazing for

> increasing your ability to digest, to be free from craving less

than excellent

> foods, overeating any kind of food and feeling great overall--why

not channel

> and magnify that wonderful energy into an approach/perspective that

helps

> you progress even further? Of course, one shouldn't feel guilty if

he or she

> eats something unhealthy--but that's not what my pizza comment was

about. I

> was just referring to a post where someone had posted that they ate

(and had

> been successful) in clearing out stones by eating massive amounts

of pizza in

> the same day. I did not feel that this was in the healing and

progressive spirit

> of this forum with so many people suffering from degenerative

conditions and

> felt I should say something.

>

> Some of my initial questions still stand--why are we here and why

are we

> doing this procedure? Our short term goal is to detoxify and feel

better but

> what is our long-term goal? Perhaps we want to temporarily avoid

surgery but

> then what? Do we go back to the habits that brought about this

emergency

> situation in the first place? If you are pushing an anything goes

and just be

> 'normal' way of living/thinking then I will ALWAYS disagree with

you. It has

> nothing to do with my age. The pressure to be normal kills more

people and

> ruins more lives in this country than perhaps anything else. Of

course, we all

> have different goals in our lives and I understand not wanting to

totally

> alienate ourselves, from friends family and society. But does that

mean that I

> should go to Mcs' or not tell people that there might be a

better or more

> deeply fulfilling way to go about things?

>

> Lastly, I don't really know how to respond to the highly critical

and somewhat

> angry elements of your post. You are bothered that 'implied' some

things that

> are unsupportive and brash, yet you insulted me several times. And

I do have

> a life other than my health, but it is my opinion that one can

benefit

> tremendously from shifting much of their focus to their health,

getting to a point

> where they are happy, clean, clear and energized--and then running

with

> those feelings of empowerment and energy to create the life that

they've

> always dreamed of. This is not just my 'brashness' or youth

talking, it is

> something I will always believe and hold as long as I am on this

planet. Most

> people who have come to be experts in a field and who help people

> considerably are extremely dedicated and borderline obsessive about

what

> they do. Our seeing their dedication, experience and results makes

us trust

> them and gives us faith that they can help us also. No one says to

> or Jim Rohn, " You jerk! You always talk about what rich people do

and make

> regular people feel bad who aren't as 'perfect' as you are. " IT IS

BECAUSE he

> is extremely thorough, dedicated and went to great lengths to be

successful

> that we trust what he says, even if his advice seem radical,

unrealistic or rubs

> us the wrong way. The fact that no one else reacted to my posts as

harshly as

> you did tells me that what I said might have hit a nerve with you

personally

> and I apologize to you if that is the case. I regretted that first

post right after I

> posted it and your response to me at least helped me to clarify

what I really

> intended and how to articulate that. I wish you the best in

whatever direction

> you choose to go.

>

Tony

>

> PS--Has anyone tried that SA 's coffee that is just for

enemas? I am

> considering ordering but would like to hear from someone who tried

it.

> And thanks to those who posted the wonderful info on coffe enemas--

they had

> helped me so much in conjection with this I would never consider

personally

> doing a flush again without one.

>

> PPS--I know some have posted about this before, but has ayone done

a flush

> with the Shultz Liver/GB formula? How did it compare to doing one

without it

> the formula?