Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Hello Diane, I too have much g.bladder liver pain and attacks. I am currently breast feeding my 10 month old baby and did the g.bladder flush last night, she has had no diareha stomach cramps, crying spells or anything since last evening. I only took two epsom salt dosages last night at 6pm and 8 pm then at 10 took the olive oil/g.juice. I skipped one dose (took a cup for the 2 doses) I had done these flushes before I was pregnant for about two years until there was no more stones coming out. My liver hurts so very much I felt like I had to do something I was successful in getting out a lot of stones out so far, one as big as a grape! I find a coffee retention enema very helpful also, I feel better not so sick to my stomach and headache. It is nice to read of others b.feeding and trying to determine the balance of what to take and not to take. I too feel the strain on my digestive system and liver but am so pleased with my babys health and the bond that has taken place. if any other mothers out there have any other tips or comments please speak up the support is wonderful. Take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2003 Report Share Posted October 20, 2003 Hi, I was new to the group. Just had my gallbladder removed and feel great. Surgery at noon on Thursday and out at 8:00 Thursday night. Feel wonderful - it's been two weeks. I wanted post this message because I tried the flush. I also found some surprising information about liver and gallbladder flush from both my doctor and experience. You know those things that you pass that are supposed to be gallstones....they are not. It is just the by product of the olive oil, that is why you cannot keep them " they disintegrate. " I am sorry to burst the bubble of many people out there - I thought it would work too. But funny how when I did the flush I had two attacks that week. For more info, see this site: http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=16253-pt=Q\ uestion Sorry for the depressing news....but it really doesn't work. When my gallbladder was removed it was filled (I have the stones) and I had done a flush right before. With regard to surgery, it's a piece of cake...but there are risks--those that are outlined on the website...they are serious. But all I can speak of is my experience and it was wonderful. Thanks for your time, java Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2003 Report Share Posted October 21, 2003 At 10:40 PM 10/19/03 -0600, you wrote: >You know those things that you pass that are supposed to be >gallstones....they are not. It is just the by product of the olive oil, >that is why you cannot keep them " they disintegrate. " How can those large layered things form in only 24 hrs if they are supposed to come from the olive oil alone?? And how do you explain all the different types of stones that come out? The green ones, the transparent ones, the grey ones and the brown gritty stuff. Did you have your stones researched at a lab? I will have them researched and see if they are just olive oil. Some people reported golf-ball size stones, I do not see how these are formed in 24 hrs during the flush. And how come that the images of operational extracted gallstones look excactly the same as those that come out during my flushes? http://www.curezone.com/image_gallery/default.asp This discussion has been here before about saponification etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Hi Tricia, Welcome to the group. You've managed to get things a little stirred up right off the bat, eh? Don't worry about bursting anyone's bubble. What you have presented is old news... Doctors are very ignorant of alternative methods in general, and flushing to remove stones and heal the gall bladder is not an exception. The tired old error that these stones we get when we flush are merely bile, oil, and grapefruit juice combined with some magical process in our body that no one has ever explained has been around since Doctors discovered they were losing money... People get totally different amounts, sizes, and shapes of stones with the same ingredients, taken the same way, in their same body, and then the stones taper off to just a few or none after several flushes. The number of flushes it takes for that to happen varies widely as we vary in our body chemistry. People like you, who have very damaged gall bladders and lots of stones often have more trouble after starting to flush, because the stones indeed move and loosen. That's what a flush is supposed to do. This can bring on attacks in the worst cases. Of course, you could have attacks without flushing also, since some natural body processes loosen and move stones in a gentler manner. If you are that bad off, you aren't escaping any thing by not flushing. I'm glad you feel great after surgery. From what I hear, people with gallstone problems feel so miserable for so long that when their problems subside it is a Godsend. Many have posted on this list that they had their gall bladders removed and felt great. Many of those later - a few weeks, months or years had serious problems that they'd never dreamed of. The Doctors didn't bother to tell them how common problems are after surgery. If your gall bladder was very diseased, it may not have responded to flushing in such a way for you to avoid surgery. Herbs and a strict diet are the way to go in that case. Later flushes can be added after the stones are reduced in size and the gall bladder is stronger... I hope you continue to experience your good feeling. Please keep an open mind, and at a minimum understand that the Doctors don't have the last word on anything concerning keeping healthy. Their specialty is patching you up after your health is lost. And then, their only tools are drugs and surgery. You know the old saying that to the man whose only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail? Well, to a doctor, every health problem looks like it needs a pharmaceutical drug or surgery.... To put it plainly, most health problems respond better to alternative methods if you use the right one for you at the time. Prevention is best. Early intervention is next. Drugs and surgery are normally required after years of neglect-usually because of ignorance caused by too much trust in Doctors. It's definitely not too late to start educating yourself in what the doctors don't know and can't possibly tell you about how to keep yourself healthy. You need to know, especially now that you have one less organ than God intended with which to stay healthy. Best regards, Vince --- In gallstones , " Tricia Coffey " <javalaw@m...> wrote: > Hi, I was new to the group. Just had my gallbladder removed and feel great. Surgery at noon on Thursday and out at 8:00 Thursday night. Feel wonderful - it's been two weeks. > > I wanted post this message because I tried the flush. I also found some surprising information about liver and gallbladder flush from both my doctor and experience. You know those things that you pass that are supposed to be gallstones....they are not. It is just the by product of the olive oil, that is why you cannot keep them " they disintegrate. " > > I am sorry to burst the bubble of many people out there - I thought it would work too. But funny how when I did the flush I had two attacks that week. For more info, see this site: http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA- questionId=16253-pt=Question > > Sorry for the depressing news....but it really doesn't work. When my gallbladder was removed it was filled (I have the stones) and I had done a flush right before. With regard to surgery, it's a piece of cake...but there are risks--those that are outlined on the website...they are serious. But all I can speak of is my experience and it was wonderful. > > Thanks for your time, > > java > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Vince, that was beautiful. That is exactly what I wanted to be able to tell her but didn't have the knowledge and patience to write. Luci " Vince Richter " wrote: > Hi Tricia, > > Welcome to the group. You've managed to get things a little stirred > up right off the bat, eh? > > Don't worry about bursting anyone's bubble. What you have presented > is old news... Doctors are very ignorant of alternative methods in > general, and flushing to remove stones and heal the gall bladder is > not an exception. The tired old error that these stones we get when > we flush are merely bile, oil, and grapefruit juice combined with > some magical process in our body that no one has ever explained has > been around since Doctors discovered they were losing money... > > People get totally different amounts, sizes, and shapes of stones > with the same ingredients, taken the same way, in their same body, > and then the stones taper off to just a few or none after several > flushes. The number of flushes it takes for that to happen varies > widely as we vary in our body chemistry. > > People like you, who have very damaged gall bladders and lots of > stones often have more trouble after starting to flush, because the > stones indeed move and loosen. That's what a flush is supposed to > do. This can bring on attacks in the worst cases. Of course, you > could have attacks without flushing also, since some natural body > processes loosen and move stones in a gentler manner. If you are > that bad off, you aren't escaping any thing by not flushing. > > I'm glad you feel great after surgery. From what I hear, people > with gallstone problems feel so miserable for so long that when > their problems subside it is a Godsend. Many have posted on this > list that they had their gall bladders removed and felt great. Many > of those later - a few weeks, months or years had serious problems > that they'd never dreamed of. The Doctors didn't bother to tell > them how common problems are after surgery. If your gall bladder > was very diseased, it may not have responded to flushing in such a > way for you to avoid surgery. Herbs and a strict diet are the way > to go in that case. Later flushes can be added after the stones are > reduced in size and the gall bladder is stronger... > > I hope you continue to experience your good feeling. Please keep an > open mind, and at a minimum understand that the Doctors don't have > the last word on anything concerning keeping healthy. Their > specialty is patching you up after your health is lost. And then, > their only tools are drugs and surgery. You know the old saying > that to the man whose only tool is a hammer everything looks like a > nail? Well, to a doctor, every health problem looks like it needs a > pharmaceutical drug or surgery.... > > To put it plainly, most health problems respond better to > alternative methods if you use the right one for you at the time. > Prevention is best. Early intervention is next. Drugs and surgery > are normally required after years of neglect-usually because of > ignorance caused by too much trust in Doctors. It's definitely not > too late to start educating yourself in what the doctors don't know > and can't possibly tell you about how to keep yourself healthy. You > need to know, especially now that you have one less organ than God > intended with which to stay healthy. > > Best regards, > > Vince > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Hi I am new to the group. When I first decided to get serious about dealing with this emerging problem (I used to have a cast iron alimentary system) all I saw was the flush stuff, there's so much about it. But I kept looking and finally found a counter argument, which to me sounds reasonable, and is basically what the original poster wrote. For the record I don't believe alternative medicine is any better or worse than any other sort merely for the label. A lot of conventional medicine was unconventional at some point.. that's tautological. However at a point things that work become known to work and proven to work. Things that stay alternative for any length of time seem to be generally crap. But as this flush business seems relatively new, there could be something to it. And just because most alternative medicine is quackery doesn't mean it all is. Considering the likely other option for me is surgery, I at least want to explore the possibility that there is something to the flush. Also for the record (and any potential advice) I don't have stones (accd to ultrasound anyway) but have been having attacks. Diagnosed as biliary cholic (which to me sounds like doctorspeak for " beats the hell outta me, have some meperidine " ) But it would help me if I could understand some things. 1) I don't understand how a flush would yield successively increasing results. This is counterintuitive, and counterlogical as well. If it worked at all one would expect that the largest stones would come out first. One would expect diminishing results rather with successive applications. 2) How does the flush work? I haven't seen any reasonable explanation for how this does what it is supposed to do. I can concoct reasons in my head for why it might work.. but then so could anyone. I'm sure someone has done some credible writing on this.. could someone point me to it? Thanks for your attention, dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Hi , Welcome to the group You came to the right place if you want to find anecdotal information and testimonials about what we've learned. If this isn't what you're looking for, you may be in the wrong place. There are no doctors and drug company representatives here that I know of. None talking about double blind placebo controlled multi-million dollar studies that prove how great flushing is for the gall bladder, liver, and your overall health... I'm not sure what you will call credible information to read. If I did, I could more easily direct you to more information that would satisfy you if it existed. If you have an open mind, and are willing to put forth some effort to research and learn, there is plenty of thought provoking information available. If you want someone who is an authority telling you what to think and do, you may want to stick with American trained medical doctors and nurses. Here's some reading to get you started if you want: Web Sites for more information: http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html http://CureZone.org http://www.liverdoctor.com/ http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ Images: http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ Enjoy Vince > Hi I am new to the group. When I first decided to get serious about > dealing with this emerging problem (I used to have a cast iron > alimentary system) all I saw was the flush stuff, there's so much > about it. But I kept looking and finally found a counter argument, > which to me sounds reasonable, and is basically what the original > poster wrote. > > For the record I don't believe alternative medicine is any better or > worse than any other sort merely for the label. A lot of conventional > medicine was unconventional at some point.. that's tautological. > However at a point things that work become known to work and proven > to work. Things that stay alternative for any length of time seem to > be generally crap. But as this flush business seems relatively new, > there could be something to it. And just because most alternative > medicine is quackery doesn't mean it all is. Considering the likely > other option for me is surgery, I at least want to explore the > possibility that there is something to the flush. > > Also for the record (and any potential advice) I don't have stones > (accd to ultrasound anyway) but have been having attacks. Diagnosed > as biliary cholic (which to me sounds like doctorspeak for " beats the > hell outta me, have some meperidine " ) > > But it would help me if I could understand some things. > > 1) I don't understand how a flush would yield successively increasing > results. This is counterintuitive, and counterlogical as well. If it > worked at all one would expect that the largest stones would come out > first. One would expect diminishing results rather with successive > applications. > > 2) How does the flush work? I haven't seen any reasonable explanation > for how this does what it is supposed to do. I can concoct reasons in > my head for why it might work.. but then so could anyone. > I'm sure someone has done some credible writing on this.. could > someone point me to it? > > Thanks for your attention, > > dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Thanks for being so honest with the group. There are a lot of different thoughts floating around in this group, but obviously the main thrust of this group is to support each other through this process know as a cleanse or a flush. I'll try to answer your questions, though I'm far from a specialist and I'm sure that you'll get far better answers from some of the other members here soon. First... have you ever seen where the side of a hill was washed away due to a rainstorm? If you had been there in the year of two prior to the hillside washing away you would have noticed that rains were causing erosion of that hillside for quite some time. Each hard rain would bring down a little dirt, rocks, and mud... sometimes only a little, sometimes quite a bit, but eventually it wore enough of a channel so that a huge chunk of hillside falls away all of a sudden. The flush works a lot like that. The gallstones are tightly packed into the gallbladder and the oil and citrus work gradually to melt, loosen, and flush out those stones. My very first flush was very successful but it didn't wash out any calcified stones and I know, thanks to ultra-sound, that I have calcified stones that need to come out, so I keep flushing. What I love about this site is that there is no " ONE WAY " written in stone. My husband cannot stomach the pint of olive oil, so he takes a less aggressive flush and it's been working very well for him, too. He has had a lot of relief for his gall-bladder attacks thanks to the flushes taught through this group. As for how the flush works... and this is where the fact that I am not a specialist is really going to show!... the Epsom salt helps to relax the bile ducts and makes it more comfortable for the stones to pass out of the gallbladder. The acid in the lemon juice or grapefruit juice helps to soften and dissolve/separate the packed-in gallstones -- which are composed of cholesterol (I hope I'm remembering this right!). The olive oil lubricates the whole process and in virtue the fact that it is an oil it causes the gallbladder to contract and try to squeeze out bile to help digest the oil -- thus helping to push the gallstones out of the gallbladder and into the digestive tract. I believe that the requirement that you lie on your right side during the flush helps the lemon juice and the olive oil to seep into the gallbladder and work their magic. It also helps your digestive tract to work more efficiently. I know others will be able to direct you to some more authoritative writings on this subject. Luci > Hi I am new to the group. When I first decided to get serious about > dealing with this emerging problem (I used to have a cast iron > alimentary system) all I saw was the flush stuff, there's so much > about it. But I kept looking and finally found a counter argument, > which to me sounds reasonable, and is basically what the original > poster wrote. > > For the record I don't believe alternative medicine is any better or > worse than any other sort merely for the label. A lot of conventional > medicine was unconventional at some point.. that's tautological. > However at a point things that work become known to work and proven > to work. Things that stay alternative for any length of time seem to > be generally crap. But as this flush business seems relatively new, > there could be something to it. And just because most alternative > medicine is quackery doesn't mean it all is. Considering the likely > other option for me is surgery, I at least want to explore the > possibility that there is something to the flush. > > Also for the record (and any potential advice) I don't have stones > (accd to ultrasound anyway) but have been having attacks. Diagnosed > as biliary cholic (which to me sounds like doctorspeak for " beats the > hell outta me, have some meperidine " ) > > But it would help me if I could understand some things. > > 1) I don't understand how a flush would yield successively increasing > results. This is counterintuitive, and counterlogical as well. If it > worked at all one would expect that the largest stones would come out > first. One would expect diminishing results rather with successive > applications. > > 2) How does the flush work? I haven't seen any reasonable explanation > for how this does what it is supposed to do. I can concoct reasons in > my head for why it might work.. but then so could anyone. > I'm sure someone has done some credible writing on this.. could > someone point me to it? > > Thanks for your attention, > > dr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Vince, I don't need a million dollar research. I doubt it would take that much in any case. A small university grant should suffice, would make a good thesis. I am hardly a sheep, Vince:) As a generalization, I hate doctors. This is my prejudice based on experience. They are overpaid mechanics, who assess you in 5 minutes and rarely pay any attention to expository information over and above the one sentence they keyed upon for their diagnosis. Who believe their fecal matter smells of roses because, after all, thats what all the women chasing their mrs. degree tell them all the time because of the money they earn, which is kept articifially inflated by the AMA's control (after all there is a " doctor glut " dontcha know) over medical schools, the curriculum of which overemphasizes memorization over analysis, with predicatable results. So:) No not all physicians come out of the mold this way.. but it is the mold that exists. Some of my best friends are doctors.. That said, if it's true, it can be proven. And this technique is not at all beyond science's ability to prove or disprove. Granted there is less motive than a patentable drug would present. But people are making money on this procedure as is. With credible support, even merely from clinical tests, it should be even more profitable. So why has no one done it? (Or have they?) Also one can make a strong ad hominem case against Dr. in specific, she is undoubtedly a fraud. (zapper? syncrometer?) Of course that doesn't mean she's wrong about the flush. But it certainly makes this muddy. Genrerally it's preferable for one's authorities not to have been multiply sued for fraud. We feel better about it that way. , that makes sense about the liver. I need to research liver stones more. Thanks very much Lucinda, that does explain a few things. I would add that it seems reasonable to think that the olive oil would increase the production and flow of bile as well as the contraction you suggest. But, I am not sure how lemon could do much since there would not generally be any backflow into the bladder yes? Or perhaps partial obstruction causes imperfect closure of the bladder? Still I can't see that lemon would hurt much. Considering the option I will almost inevitably try it. The " ickiness " factor notwithstanding. I also have no interest in sharing this process with my SO, so will try to fabricate a reason to be alone a couple of days, which is a hassle in itself. I just wish I understood it better. Things work or don't for a reason. Some questions. Do I understand properly that the bulk of the " stones " do not show up on a regular ultrasound? Only calcified ones? They told me they didn't see any stones. Is this still consistent with " cholesterol stones " ? Or do they see them but not consider them significant? Would increasing abdominal excercise reasonably increase the likelihood of spontaneous stone passing? Anecdotally this was never a problem when I was in the army and did lots of situps regularly. Of course I was younger. What position is bladder to stomach connection downmost? If I want to let it " drain " which position do I lay? If I want to let if " fill " (preperatory to a flush to perhaps allow for a increase flow for a period) what position do I lay? It's not clear to me from the pictures. Could mechanical pressure play any part in this? Risk goes up with being overweight. I am not overweight, but I do constantly ride the line between accepting the relatively mild (for me) affect of ages inflation and buying all new clothes. IE my pants get tight and I excercise a little more then my pants get looser and I slack off. But the net effect is a significant time is spent with pants tight around the waist;P Moreover my attacks have mainly been when I was in " tight pants " phases. Could simple mechanical backpressure be a factor in stone formation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Hi , Even if a gall bladder flush study only cost $1000, who would do it if it wouldn't allow any one to make a dime? The info I've seen is a " pass it on " type of evidence between researchers such as the courageous Dr. Hulda (you need to try her protocols including the zapper before you can really know much about them) and those of us who have tried the methods. Lemon helps alkalinize and cleanse the liver to help it function better. This helps it detox more completely during the flush. Grapefruit juice mixed with the olive oil completely emulsifies the oil and makes it MUCH more palatable :0) That's very important to me... The sequence of the stone exit is from the most easily disloged (near the exit and loosest) to the more firmly entrenched. The first ones may be big or smaller than subsequent flushes produce. several have noticed that the reallly big ones came only after several flushes. My biggest came the first flush. Think of a ballon with several different size pebbles from bb size to marble or even quarter diameter and sand. This mixes up and the small ones are mixed in with the big ones. The small ones may be the first ones out, or the big ones may be - depends on which are nearest the exit. You are correct that many stones do not show up on ultra sound. The cholestral stones are formed by fat that isn't being properly emulsified by quality bile. The bile needs to be kept high quality by lecithin and good oils. You need to study the weight gain/liver health/bile connection by looking at the links I sent you. Go to http://www.liverdoctor.com/ Dr. Cabot does a good job pointing out how you need to keep the liver healthy so it can metabolize fat properly. When you do this, you can more easily maintain your ideal weight and your gall bladder doesn't as easily produce stones. There's lots to learn. I'm just getting started myself... Vince > Vince, I don't need a million dollar research. I doubt it would take > that much in any case. A small university grant should suffice, would > make a good thesis. > > I am hardly a sheep, Vince:) > > As a generalization, I hate doctors. This is my prejudice based on > experience. They are overpaid mechanics, who assess you in 5 minutes > and rarely pay any attention to expository information over and above > the one sentence they keyed upon for their diagnosis. Who believe > their fecal matter smells of roses because, after all, thats what all > the women chasing their mrs. degree tell them all the time because of > the money they earn, which is kept articifially inflated by the AMA's > control (after all there is a " doctor glut " dontcha know) over > medical schools, the curriculum of which overemphasizes memorization > over analysis, with predicatable results. > > So:) > > No not all physicians come out of the mold this way.. but it is the > mold that exists. Some of my best friends are doctors.. > > That said, if it's true, it can be proven. And this technique is not > at all beyond science's ability to prove or disprove. Granted there > is less motive than a patentable drug would present. But people are > making money on this procedure as is. With credible support, even > merely from clinical tests, it should be even more profitable. So why > has no one done it? (Or have they?) > > Also one can make a strong ad hominem case against Dr. in > specific, she is undoubtedly a fraud. (zapper? syncrometer?) Of > course that doesn't mean she's wrong about the flush. But it > certainly makes this muddy. Genrerally it's preferable for one's > authorities not to have been multiply sued for fraud. We feel better > about it that way. > > , that makes sense about the liver. I need to research liver > stones more. > > Thanks very much Lucinda, that does explain a few things. > > I would add that it seems reasonable to think that the olive oil > would increase the production and flow of bile as well as the > contraction you suggest. > > But, I am not sure how lemon could do much since there would not > generally be any backflow into the bladder yes? Or perhaps partial > obstruction causes imperfect closure of the bladder? Still I can't > see that lemon would hurt much. > > Considering the option I will almost inevitably try it. > The " ickiness " factor notwithstanding. I also have no interest in > sharing this process with my SO, so will try to fabricate a reason to > be alone a couple of days, which is a hassle in itself. I just wish I > understood it better. Things work or don't for a reason. > > Some questions. > > Do I understand properly that the bulk of the " stones " do not show up > on a regular ultrasound? Only calcified ones? They told me they > didn't see any stones. Is this still consistent with " cholesterol > stones " ? Or do they see them but not consider them significant? > > Would increasing abdominal excercise reasonably increase the > likelihood of spontaneous stone passing? Anecdotally this was never a > problem when I was in the army and did lots of situps regularly. Of > course I was younger. > > What position is bladder to stomach connection downmost? If I want to > let it " drain " which position do I lay? If I want to let if " fill " > (preperatory to a flush to perhaps allow for a increase flow for a > period) what position do I lay? It's not clear to me from the > pictures. > > Could mechanical pressure play any part in this? Risk goes up with > being overweight. I am not overweight, but I do constantly ride the > line between accepting the relatively mild (for me) affect of ages > inflation and buying all new clothes. IE my pants get tight and I > excercise a little more then my pants get looser and I slack off. But > the net effect is a significant time is spent with pants tight around > the waist;P Moreover my attacks have mainly been when I was in " tight > pants " phases. Could simple mechanical backpressure be a factor in > stone formation? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 " Hi , Even if a gall bladder flush study only cost $1000, who would do it if it wouldn't allow any one to make a dime? " Well you could of course make quite a few dimes as the person who could claim your particlar formula was effective in clinical trials. If a commercial product was available with clinical proof to back it up, most people would never get to a board like this. I wouldn't have. Sure there would be knock offs.. but you would still make a ton of money. You keep your exact formula secret and you have a trademark. Do Breathright nasal strips work? Sure. Are there knockoffs? Sure. Does Breathright still make alot of money? Oh yes. You see it all the time " The only product clinically proven.. " blah blah blah. And people buy it. At a premium. Because they know it works. Trying to sell your brand in the face of existing products is work. Being the first is a windfall. If fact if this really works it's inevitable someone will market a product. I just wish they already did. Anyway.. ok stones may not show up on ultrasound, so I may have some. I am so not looking forward to this. I still have a question which side is up and down. How do I position myself if I want to be in a bladder drain position and how do I lay if I want to be in a bladder fill position? Johb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Hi , I'm about to have an ultrasound on my gallbladder and liver next Tuesday. I haven't yet tried any of the cleanses because I want to find out my results first. However, I couldn't agree more with what you say about the drugs and medical professions being guided mainly by financial interest. I'm a nurse myself, and I watch people have surgery all the time for treatable conditions, because it's profitable for the surgeon and profitable for the drug companies. Healthy people are their nightmare. This is why so many questionable additives are still in the food we consume and dangerous chemicals in the pesticides and fungicides we use in farming. Many, many of these things things contribute to the illnesses we suffer from these days, and it really does play right into the hands of consultants and the pharmaceutical industries very nicely. Prevent the population from keeping well, and they smile all the way to the bank. It's often crossed my mind, too, that governments would do absolutely nothing to 'protect' the population (or at least provide a choice), against the control of these two bodies, because of the vast taxes that they pay to them. To them, we are a valuable commodity that provides them with their income, and if we remain well, they go broke. Where would the thousands of oncologists be if cancer was actually cured? Where would the drug companies be if AIDS were cured? Drug companies are good at pulling out all the stops to provide expensive drugs that prolong life (and they are dearer than drugs that don't, have you noticed??), but pitifully neglectful of funding trials for drugs that might effect anything resembling a 'cure' (and I'm aware that cancer technically has no 'cure' because it is caused by genetic damage - I'm using it as an illustration). Georgia ++++++++++ On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 03:07 AM, Rojkov wrote: > , > > I am having really little faith in a change like this, because when > you think of the chain of > changes that need to happen you know it will not be easy. Starting > with the fact that the > treatment will be so cheap that the doctors will not be able to make > their living. Many problems > are traced back to unhealthy liver, colon and kidneys, imaging taking > all that " work " away from > the doctors. Not only the doctors would " suffer " but the whole supply > chain. We are talking dozens > of years if not hundreds to see this change occur. Consider that FTC > is trying to shutdown > www..net, demanding Dr. to deliver scientific proof for > the methods. It's pretty > clear that the effort is driven by corporations that want to protect > their profits and the way of > life. > > The internet is a real gift from god, and a great threat to > corporations which is why they are > trying to shutdown the sources of information, which make me to > believe that the change you are > asking for is not what they (who hold you health in their hands) want. > > my 2 canadian cents > > alex > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2003 Report Share Posted October 30, 2003 > I am having really little faith in a change like this, because when you think of the chain of > changes that need to happen you know it will not be easy. Starting with the fact that the > treatment will be so cheap that the doctors will not be able to make their living... Dole makes a lot of money selling fruits despite anyone can grow fruits. People buy Aloe despite you can grow it in your house. People can buy vinegar (or even make) vinegar, but they still buy douches. If I can package a remedy that works and I have clinical proof that it works, I will make money. I am sure there were some EENT surgeons that were discomfitted by Breath Right Nasal Strips coming on the market. But why does Breath Right Care? They make their money. And they help their customers avoid surgery. Now possibly some surgeons are concerned because they may have increased exposure to torts from botched and needless surgery, if it comes to light cleanses work. But that's their problem. If it works there's money to be made. ( I would.. I like to see things like successful clinical trials;) ) If there's money to be made people will make it, sooner than later. If I am making money.. I care about surgeons fears.. why? Anyway I am still waiting to try this. I won't be able to do this weekend. Maybe next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2003 Report Share Posted November 1, 2003 Hi , Glad you plan to try the flush. Hope you find clinical trials and can capitolize on the success of flushes. Making money honestly is a good thing... Helping people is good too. You sound like you have a good motive and method with which to make a profit. Meanwhile we can all benifit from our flushes. Vince > > I am having really little faith in a change like this, because when > you think of the chain of > > changes that need to happen you know it will not be easy. Starting > with the fact that the > > treatment will be so cheap that the doctors will not be able to > make their living... > > Dole makes a lot of money selling fruits despite anyone can grow > fruits. People buy Aloe despite you can grow it in your house. People > can buy vinegar (or even make) vinegar, but they still buy douches. > > If I can package a remedy that works and I have clinical proof that > it works, I will make money. I am sure there were some EENT surgeons > that were discomfitted by Breath Right Nasal Strips coming on the > market. But why does Breath Right Care? They make their money. And > they help their customers avoid surgery. > > Now possibly some surgeons are concerned because they may have > increased exposure to torts from botched and needless surgery, if it > comes to light cleanses work. But that's their problem. If it works > there's money to be made. ( I would.. I like to see things like > successful clinical trials;) ) If there's money to be made people > will make it, sooner than later. If I am making money.. I care about > surgeons fears.. why? > > Anyway I am still waiting to try this. I won't be able to do this > weekend. Maybe next weekend. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 , congratulations on doing a liver flush, you will never regret it and will wonder why you didn't do this SOONER! Anyone 18 and over will benefit from a gentle flush of the liver. Regarding the PARASITE flush, I'd add that while I'm comfortable with the scope of it, I didn't do it and I don't think most people need it. Hulda 's whole trip is about parasites and she gets thousands of miracle cures with her plan. But remember, most people will not do anything like this until they are DEATHLY SICK or until they have had chronic fatigue, Epstein-Barr or hepatitis. If you are basically healthy I would recommend going directly into the liver cleansing. You can always go back for parasite removal later if you still don't feel right. Most people have MORE energy when doing this cleansing because it is designed to be gentle and " feel good " . You are getting all that apple juice before the fast, your colon is just getting more empty and more clean, and the olive oil and epsom salts are just a good gentle laxative and tonic. You will feel good the next day, in fact, it's a really good idea to go for a walk, a good swim or move your body so that the cleansing is throughout. The flush is good if you are feeling depressed, toxic or tired. Fall is a great time to do this. Give everyone a report of what happened and be sure to count the stones. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Will. I went to the file section and found it very good. When I got to the bottom of the information the article said Next: See details for the flush. Is that somewhere else, or just forgotten to be put on? _____ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 My liver flush section for Files isn't written yet. However, it's all on curezone.com OR pick up a copy of THE AMAZING LIVER CLEANSE by s Moritz. All flushes are basically a ZERO fat diet for several days, drink a quart of apple juice daily then drink 4 oz of good olive oil (with some lemon or grapefruit juice) followed by a couple tablespoons of epsom salts dissolved in warm water. Works like a charm every time. Curezone.com has over 14,000 documented flushes on file. Oh, yeah, be sure to take pictures of your stones and give a copy to your doctor (doctors don't believe flushes work). Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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