feeling bad

[Guest guest]

i was started on a Fatty Acid, 2 times 2 daily and Red Clover 2 x 2

daily, to help clean the toxians out of my system. I got heart burn

or a pain in my chest and back on the right side more so. My stomach

feels funny, not a puky feeling, not nausa feeling, some mornings

very tired even though im sleeping better. I really cant explain

it...Is this normal??????????????????

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

Just a thought - could it be that you are being successful in your

efforts to detox? Did you know what to expect from detox?

You may want to stop the things you started to see if these

uncomfortable symtoms subside. If they don't, it may be something

else that you need to get checked out. If they do stop great, but

start back on your protocol at about half the rate as before. If no

symptoms or minor bearable symptoms occur, increase gradually to

your desired level. If you do have uncomfortable symptoms, stop

again, half the dose again (half of the half that you started with)

when the symptoms subside. No need to endure these symptoms. You

took a long time to get where you are, and it will take a while to

safely get cleaned up

Vince

--- In gallstones , " jodi " <meekiamyjie2002@y...>

wrote:

> i was started on a Fatty Acid, 2 times 2 daily and Red Clover 2 x

2

> daily, to help clean the toxians out of my system. I got heart

burn

> or a pain in my chest and back on the right side more so. My

stomach

> feels funny, not a puky feeling, not nausa feeling, some mornings

> very tired even though im sleeping better. I really cant explain

> it...Is this normal??????????????????

[Guest guest]

Hi Cherie - I feel for you and I totally understand your sadness.

It doesn't seem like this is the kind of illness that goes away

overnight, and for some people it takes a few years for their bodies

to bounce back. I also remember reading that sometimes the symptoms

get worse after surgery, and then slowly start to improve. My body

was already ravaged by the implants when I had the explants, so it

wasn't at it's optimum condition. I'm definitely still having

symptoms, and even though I would have loved to feel normal again

right away, it seems to take longer. Some days are better than

others - yesterday I had alot of fatigue, but today was a good day.

The first week after the surgery, my heart was beating quite heavy,

and I'd wake up in the night because my body was twitching. Anyway,

what I'm trying to say is that you are not alone - and please any

time you're feeling depressed about the pain you're in, continue to

reach out to us. You are not being selfish by any means, you have

been through alot and you're fighting to get your health back. You

are so brave for making the decision to get the implants removed,

and I know sometimes I think " geez, what if it's really NOT the

implants? " , but you know what, I never would have felt sane if I

kept them in my body. I believe in time we will get the validation

we are looking for, so be kind to yourself. I feel they would have

continued to wreak havoc on my body, and then I would have never had

a chance.

Sis

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> I don't want to sound discouraging to anyone, but I am feeling

worse

> than ever. My chest pain is so bad that I can hardly move my

arms, and

> it doesn't help to lie down, it hurts so bad to get there and

then,

> once I am lying down, I wince in pain to even slightly move my

head or

> arms. I feel really selfish for complaining to you all, when you

have

> all been though this and so much more. But I know you all

understand

> and I am really having a pity party right now - tears and all. I

just

> can't wait to get well and be able to go to all the doctors who

told me

> that it wasn't the implants that were causing my pain, and say

SEE, it

> was the implants!! Am I even making any sense? Thanks for

listening.

> Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie

you are making TONS of sense.... I have had hundreds of these parties for myself as well. You will get better - be strong and get thru it!! I know you can! I am at 2.5 years post eplant now!!!

Contact me personally anytime and i will give you my # if you need to talk or support...whatever you need!

love

shari

[Guest guest]

Good morning, Cherie.

I'm so sorry to hear how poorly you are feeling. You are not having a pity

party, you are seeking support and encouragement. Don't ever feel bad about

that. I hope today is a better day for you!

Kenda

> I don't want to sound discouraging to anyone, but I am feeling worse

> than ever. My chest pain is so bad that I can hardly move my arms, and

> it doesn't help to lie down, it hurts so bad to get there and then,

> once I am lying down, I wince in pain to even slightly move my head or

> arms. I feel really selfish for complaining to you all, when you have

> all been though this and so much more. But I know you all understand

> and I am really having a pity party right now - tears and all. I just

> can't wait to get well and be able to go to all the doctors who told me

> that it wasn't the implants that were causing my pain, and say SEE, it

> was the implants!! Am I even making any sense? Thanks for listening.

> Cherie

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Cherie, I had mine removed exactly four weeks ago and it seems to me

that I was in terrible pain up till about the third week. I was

taking Extra strength Tylenol and/or Aleve (q 4-8 hrs, as on bottle)

non stop. I couldn't take the Vicodin, it was making me sick. I

iced and that helped but it was hard to position ice bags so I could

only do portions at a time. I took my temp at the end of the (4 or

8) hours just in case there was something going on that I needed to

tell the Dr. And,as Rogene said, drank water constantly. The

drainage tubes were a problem for me only in the sense that they

seemed to hurt if they weren't laying just right. I would

reposition the tubes to aleviate the pull. If any of this is

helpful to you then good, but if not, I hope there are others out

there who have more suggestions. And ,of course, if unbearable,

you've got to consult your doctor or an emergency room. Good luck

to you, I feel really bad for you. Charlotte

>

> Cherie,

>

> What have you been doing - or not doing? . . .

>

> If you are still working on detox programs, you need

> to back off completely until you're feeling better.

> Some people, like Kathie, have some very bad herxes! .

> . . She had to go very, very slowly. Nevertheless,

> she's made outstanding progress.

>

> I'd suggest using ice packs on your chest if you

> suspect the pain is caused by swelling.

>

> Are you taking anything for pain? . . . If not, can

> you take Ibprophen? . . . or something like Tylenol or

> Motrin?

>

> I feel so bad for you having so much pain. This is not

> the way it goes for most women. . . I'm sure they'll

> confirm that. There may be rocky days, but I can't

> remember anyone describing the kind of pain you're

> talking about!

>

> Be sure to drink plenty of water. . . At least 1/2

> ounce per pound of body weight each day.

>

> I can't remember. . . Who was your doctor?

>

> Please keep hanging in there . . This too shall pass!

> We're here if you need us!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene

I may be detoxing too much - my natural doc has me on many

supplements to help me detox. Also I am taking epsom salt baths

because right after I take them I feel better. I have been drinking

green tea and juicing organic fruits and vegies twice a day. I

drink about three bottled waters a day. I am having a hard time

giving up sugar though. I'm not sure if I am sick with some sort of

virus, or maybe it's herxing. I'm sensitive to all over-the-counter

pain meds, and only have hydrocodone. I had been off the

hydrocodone for the last month since the surgery, but last night and

this morning I was in so much discomfort that I took it. I also

take Benadryl every day for my allergies, which I know I should stop

soon. But without it I sneeze and itch all over. I know the

prednisone would be bad to take, but it's so hard, because I know a

steroid taper would get rid of my pain - for now anyway. I should

probably throw them away, because they are a temptation.

My doc was the surgeon who put the implants in. It was a good

experience, and he agreed it was best to have them out. He assured

me that he removed the capsules, and I don't think he would lie to

me. I do have a little doubt in my mind only because the procedure

only took an hour.

I really do appreciate the support. My husband just feels so bad

for me - that the pain never really goes away. I just keep telling

myself that this is not all for nothing. My relationship with

Christ has grown so much, and I know that He works out all things

for the good for those who love him. I guess I just really wanted

to get well immediately after the implants came out so that I would

have no doubt that they were what was making me sick.

When others say they have chest pain, do you know if they mean high

in the chest, or in the breast area? Mine is high, from the middle -

my sternum and out both clavicles and up into the neck.

Rheumatologist and radiology said spondyloarthropathy (form of

arthritis).

Hugs back,

Cherie

>

> Cherie,

>

> What have you been doing - or not doing? . . .

>

> If you are still working on detox programs, you need

> to back off completely until you're feeling better.

> Some people, like Kathie, have some very bad herxes! .

> . . She had to go very, very slowly. Nevertheless,

> she's made outstanding progress.

>

> I'd suggest using ice packs on your chest if you

> suspect the pain is caused by swelling.

>

> Are you taking anything for pain? . . . If not, can

> you take Ibprophen? . . . or something like Tylenol or

> Motrin?

>

> I feel so bad for you having so much pain. This is not

> the way it goes for most women. . . I'm sure they'll

> confirm that. There may be rocky days, but I can't

> remember anyone describing the kind of pain you're

> talking about!

>

> Be sure to drink plenty of water. . . At least 1/2

> ounce per pound of body weight each day.

>

> I can't remember. . . Who was your doctor?

>

> Please keep hanging in there . . This too shall pass!

> We're here if you need us!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Shari - are you better now? How long did it take?

>

> Cherie

>

> you are making TONS of sense.... I have had hundreds of these parties

for

> myself as well. You will get better - be strong and get thru it!!

I know you

> can! I am at 2.5 years post eplant now!!!

>

> Contact me personally anytime and i will give you my # if you need to

talk

> or support...whatever you need!

>

> love

> shari

>

[Guest guest]

Cherie,

Did you get a copy of the operative report of your explant to

review? You can ask your surgeon for this. It is highly

recommended. What you want to look for is the discussion in there of

his removal of the scar tissue. He should have descriptions of the

procedure and it should clearly discuss how he removed this tissue.

My concern comes from the surgery only taking an hour. Usually a

total capsulectomy on both breasts is going to take a bit longer. I

am not saying he didn't do it...I am just wondering about it,

especially since I've known women who were lied to. They were told

that they were getting a total capsulectomy, only to read that

report later and find out that only a portion of the capsule was

taken out, not the whole thing.

You might want to get that report, just to satisfy your own

curiosity. If the doctor did what he said he did, I am sure he is

not going to argue with you about getting copies of your records.

In fact, what I did is create a 3 ring binder for my medical

records, and I've had to refer to it several times. In there I have

every copy of every record from implant through explant and all lab

reports since. It keeps everything organized. I always ask for

copies of medical records to have on hand at home. I just don't

like how these doctors tell us things and then you find out in your

records it says something else! Sad but true!

You guys may want to create a similar medical record book, for

future reference as well. Just a suggestion!

God bless!

Patty

--- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...>

wrote:

>

> Rogene

> I may be detoxing too much - my natural doc has me on many

> supplements to help me detox. Also I am taking epsom salt baths

> because right after I take them I feel better. I have been

drinking

> green tea and juicing organic fruits and vegies twice a day. I

> drink about three bottled waters a day. I am having a hard time

> giving up sugar though. I'm not sure if I am sick with some sort

of

> virus, or maybe it's herxing. I'm sensitive to all over-the-

counter

> pain meds, and only have hydrocodone. I had been off the

> hydrocodone for the last month since the surgery, but last night

and

> this morning I was in so much discomfort that I took it. I also

> take Benadryl every day for my allergies, which I know I should

stop

> soon. But without it I sneeze and itch all over. I know the

> prednisone would be bad to take, but it's so hard, because I know

a

> steroid taper would get rid of my pain - for now anyway. I should

> probably throw them away, because they are a temptation.

>

> My doc was the surgeon who put the implants in. It was a good

> experience, and he agreed it was best to have them out. He

assured

> me that he removed the capsules, and I don't think he would lie to

> me. I do have a little doubt in my mind only because the

procedure

> only took an hour.

>

> I really do appreciate the support. My husband just feels so bad

> for me - that the pain never really goes away. I just keep

telling

> myself that this is not all for nothing. My relationship with

> Christ has grown so much, and I know that He works out all things

> for the good for those who love him. I guess I just really wanted

> to get well immediately after the implants came out so that I

would

> have no doubt that they were what was making me sick.

>

> When others say they have chest pain, do you know if they mean

high

> in the chest, or in the breast area? Mine is high, from the

middle -

> my sternum and out both clavicles and up into the neck.

> Rheumatologist and radiology said spondyloarthropathy (form of

> arthritis).

> Hugs back,

> Cherie

[Guest guest]

Patty

I would like to get the report. I just feel that he would think I

didn't trust him by asking for it. I don't know if I can get my

nerve up.

> >

> > Rogene

> > I may be detoxing too much - my natural doc has me on many

> > supplements to help me detox. Also I am taking epsom salt baths

> > because right after I take them I feel better. I have been

> drinking

> > green tea and juicing organic fruits and vegies twice a day. I

> > drink about three bottled waters a day. I am having a hard time

> > giving up sugar though. I'm not sure if I am sick with some

sort

> of

> > virus, or maybe it's herxing. I'm sensitive to all over-the-

> counter

> > pain meds, and only have hydrocodone. I had been off the

> > hydrocodone for the last month since the surgery, but last night

> and

> > this morning I was in so much discomfort that I took it. I also

> > take Benadryl every day for my allergies, which I know I should

> stop

> > soon. But without it I sneeze and itch all over. I know the

> > prednisone would be bad to take, but it's so hard, because I

know

> a

> > steroid taper would get rid of my pain - for now anyway. I

should

> > probably throw them away, because they are a temptation.

> >

> > My doc was the surgeon who put the implants in. It was a good

> > experience, and he agreed it was best to have them out. He

> assured

> > me that he removed the capsules, and I don't think he would lie

to

> > me. I do have a little doubt in my mind only because the

> procedure

> > only took an hour.

> >

> > I really do appreciate the support. My husband just feels so

bad

> > for me - that the pain never really goes away. I just keep

> telling

> > myself that this is not all for nothing. My relationship with

> > Christ has grown so much, and I know that He works out all

things

> > for the good for those who love him. I guess I just really

wanted

> > to get well immediately after the implants came out so that I

> would

> > have no doubt that they were what was making me sick.

> >

> > When others say they have chest pain, do you know if they mean

> high

> > in the chest, or in the breast area? Mine is high, from the

> middle -

> > my sternum and out both clavicles and up into the neck.

> > Rheumatologist and radiology said spondyloarthropathy (form of

> > arthritis).

> > Hugs back,

> > Cherie

>

[Guest guest]

Just tell him you want it to put in your medical file that you keep

at home, to keep your records up to date. He shouldn't take that as

a threat, (which no doctor should!)

Patty

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > > I may be detoxing too much - my natural doc has me on many

> > > supplements to help me detox. Also I am taking epsom salt

baths

> > > because right after I take them I feel better. I have been

> > drinking

> > > green tea and juicing organic fruits and vegies twice a day.

I

> > > drink about three bottled waters a day. I am having a hard

time

> > > giving up sugar though. I'm not sure if I am sick with some

> sort

> > of

> > > virus, or maybe it's herxing. I'm sensitive to all over-the-

> > counter

> > > pain meds, and only have hydrocodone. I had been off the

> > > hydrocodone for the last month since the surgery, but last

night

> > and

> > > this morning I was in so much discomfort that I took it. I

also

> > > take Benadryl every day for my allergies, which I know I

should

> > stop

> > > soon. But without it I sneeze and itch all over. I know the

> > > prednisone would be bad to take, but it's so hard, because I

> know

> > a

> > > steroid taper would get rid of my pain - for now anyway. I

> should

> > > probably throw them away, because they are a temptation.

> > >

> > > My doc was the surgeon who put the implants in. It was a good

> > > experience, and he agreed it was best to have them out. He

> > assured

> > > me that he removed the capsules, and I don't think he would

lie

> to

> > > me. I do have a little doubt in my mind only because the

> > procedure

> > > only took an hour.

> > >

> > > I really do appreciate the support. My husband just feels so

> bad

> > > for me - that the pain never really goes away. I just keep

> > telling

> > > myself that this is not all for nothing. My relationship with

> > > Christ has grown so much, and I know that He works out all

> things

> > > for the good for those who love him. I guess I just really

> wanted

> > > to get well immediately after the implants came out so that I

> > would

> > > have no doubt that they were what was making me sick.

> > >

> > > When others say they have chest pain, do you know if they mean

> > high

> > > in the chest, or in the breast area? Mine is high, from the

> > middle -

> > > my sternum and out both clavicles and up into the neck.

> > > Rheumatologist and radiology said spondyloarthropathy (form of

> > > arthritis).

> > > Hugs back,

> > > Cherie

> >

>