Re: Age and GB Attacks

[Guest guest]

I had a similar situation...though not so many stones. I refused surgery and

saw a chiropractor who did craniosacral therapy and put me on a number of

supplements. At first I got worse, then finally started to improve. After

seeing him for about 6 months the attacks stopped. We both thought I was

cured. Then I relapsed 5 months later. I stopped seeing the chiropractor,

thinking he'd done all he could do for me. I then saw an accupuncturist. I

was attack free for 3 weeks, then things got worse. After a few months I

gave up on him. I started taking Tums. I've been attack free since

mid-September. I'm not ready to say I'm cured...I get nervous almost every

time I eat...but I'm feeling great. I don't know what is going on with me.

My GI specialist thinks it's gallstones, but I certainly believe stomach

acid plays a role. I think the chiropractor helped. For one, the supplements

seem to have enlarged my ducts, making it easier to pass stones when I was

having attacks. I forgot to mention that when I relapsed I was having up to

2 attacks a day, 4 times a week...but they were mild and short lived.

Previously they lasted 5 hours and were very intense.

This is just my experience. I was really careful about acidic food, and took

Tums. I only take one a day now unless I know I'll be eating tomato or lemon

or something.

-----Original Message-----

From: lynne93550 [mailto:lynne93550@...]

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:53 PM

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Subject: Age and GB Attacks

Hi...I am Lynne and age 53. I have been having GB attacks since the

summer and they are gradually getting more frequent and worse. It is

now getting so I can't eat anymore without getting a huge stomachache

afterwards and then I have to make myself throw up. I have lost 20

pounds in 3 weeks. I had an ultra sound after a massive attack a

month or so ago and it showed up that half my GB is filled with

stones. the doctor said I'd better get surgery right away. I am

anti-surgery and thought that if I went on the right diet that the

attacks would stop. I have been eating small amounts of oatmeal and

fat-free soy-milk and I still had an attack today. I am feeling like

I just don't want to live like this...I would rather die. And there

is no way that I will be cut open on an operating table. NEVER!!!!

So I just don't know what to do. I am too sick right now to do any

flush. It would kill me. Does anyone have a suggestion???

Lynne

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lynne,

It is certainly very discouraaging when you are so sick. Perhaps

you need to go on a diet that will ease your gallbladder pain. You

may need to try a few different things before you find what works

best for you.

Try to have a juice diet. This may give your system a bit of rest

and help your gallbladder to heal a bit. It is very irritated right

now and needs to calm down.

Apple juice will help to soften the stones (making them easier to

pass). Beet juice will help to stimulate the bile. Try a bit of

beet juice and see how it sits in your stomach. If you're fine then

add a few vegetables to it to ceate a " V8 " type juice. You might

try alternating a vegetable juice with a fruit juice over the day.

Of course freshly juiced juices are the very best, but worse comes

to worse, you could try store bought juices (if you have no juicer).

Lecithin is also supposed to help thin out your bile. The gel

capsules can be taken a few times a day and may ease your

gallbladder as well.

Taurine is another substance that is suppposed to ease the

gallbladder.

You might also want to try some liver support herbs. These can be

purchased at a health food store. Look for a formula that's main

ingredients are DANDELION and MILK THISTLE. These two herbs are

very important to help liver, kidneys and gallbladder. These will

greatly help you.

You may also want to try drinking a glass of warm water in the

morning with the juice of 1/2 a lemon.

These are a few ideas to start with. You may also wish to search

the group's links , files and archives for more ideas. I'm sure

that others will reply with more ideas as well.

Wishing you success,

~Suzanne

--- In gallstones , " lynne93550 " <lynne93550@y...>

wrote:

> Hi...I am Lynne and age 53. I have been having GB attacks since

the

> summer and they are gradually getting more frequent and worse. It

is

> now getting so I can't eat anymore without getting a huge

stomachache

> afterwards and then I have to make myself throw up. I have lost

20

> pounds in 3 weeks. I had an ultra sound after a massive attack a

> month or so ago and it showed up that half my GB is filled with

> stones. the doctor said I'd better get surgery right away. I am

> anti-surgery and thought that if I went on the right diet that the

> attacks would stop. I have been eating small amounts of oatmeal

and

> fat-free soy-milk and I still had an attack today. I am feeling

like

> I just don't want to live like this...I would rather die. And

there

> is no way that I will be cut open on an operating table. NEVER!!!!

> So I just don't know what to do. I am too sick right now to do

any

> flush. It would kill me. Does anyone have a suggestion???

> Lynne

[Guest guest]

I would try taking 2,000mg of Vitamin C every two hours for about 8

hours, then taking a mild dose of Epsom salts and another dose of

salts four hours later. As I was doing that I would try eating

whatever stays down for you -- the Vitamin C will actually help with

the digestion of that, too -- and drinking plenty of water so you

don't dehydrate later with the Epsom salts. I would also massage my

gall bladder to help break up the stone mass and make it more likely

that a few would pass out and help clear up this acute situation. I

use a percussive massage someone else here suggested, where you put

your hand flat over your gall bladder, then hit the back of your hand

rythmically with your other hand in a fist... kind of like you're

playing the drums. That works well to relieve that tight feeling for

me... if I'm not too tender I can also use an electric massager.

Do you have any symptoms of infection? Fever, redness, passage of

blood?

I hope the outpouring of advice from this group has already brought

you some relief. Now I'll go read what they've been telling you.

Luci

--- In gallstones , " lynne93550 " <lynne93550@y...>

wrote:

> Hi...I am Lynne and age 53. I have been having GB attacks since

the

> summer and they are gradually getting more frequent and worse. It

is

> now getting so I can't eat anymore without getting a huge

stomachache

> afterwards and then I have to make myself throw up. I have lost 20

> pounds in 3 weeks. I had an ultra sound after a massive attack a

> month or so ago and it showed up that half my GB is filled with

> stones. the doctor said I'd better get surgery right away. I am

> anti-surgery and thought that if I went on the right diet that the

> attacks would stop. I have been eating small amounts of oatmeal

and

> fat-free soy-milk and I still had an attack today. I am feeling

like

> I just don't want to live like this...I would rather die. And

there

> is no way that I will be cut open on an operating table. NEVER!!!!

> So I just don't know what to do. I am too sick right now to do any

> flush. It would kill me. Does anyone have a suggestion???

> Lynne

[Guest guest]

Now I'm the opposite, I need more acid to help digest the food and

get it out of there quicker! I think the lemon juice from the cleanse

does wonders to help my digestion. I've stopped having indigestion

completely now that I started taking at least 2,000mg of Vitamin C

each day.

Luci

> I had a similar situation...though not so many stones. I refused

surgery and

> saw a chiropractor who did craniosacral therapy and put me on a

number of

> supplements. At first I got worse, then finally started to improve.

After

> seeing him for about 6 months the attacks stopped. We both thought

I was

> cured. Then I relapsed 5 months later. I stopped seeing the

chiropractor,

> thinking he'd done all he could do for me. I then saw an

accupuncturist. I

> was attack free for 3 weeks, then things got worse. After a few

months I

> gave up on him. I started taking Tums. I've been attack free since

> mid-September. I'm not ready to say I'm cured...I get nervous

almost every

> time I eat...but I'm feeling great. I don't know what is going on

with me.

> My GI specialist thinks it's gallstones, but I certainly believe

stomach

> acid plays a role. I think the chiropractor helped. For one, the

supplements

> seem to have enlarged my ducts, making it easier to pass stones

when I was

> having attacks. I forgot to mention that when I relapsed I was

having up to

> 2 attacks a day, 4 times a week...but they were mild and short

lived.

> Previously they lasted 5 hours and were very intense.

>

> This is just my experience. I was really careful about acidic food,

and took

> Tums. I only take one a day now unless I know I'll be eating tomato

or lemon

> or something.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: lynne93550 [mailto:lynne93550@y...]

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:53 PM

> gallstones

> Subject: Age and GB Attacks

>

>

> Hi...I am Lynne and age 53. I have been having GB attacks since the

> summer and they are gradually getting more frequent and worse. It

is

> now getting so I can't eat anymore without getting a huge

stomachache

> afterwards and then I have to make myself throw up. I have lost 20

> pounds in 3 weeks. I had an ultra sound after a massive attack a

> month or so ago and it showed up that half my GB is filled with

> stones. the doctor said I'd better get surgery right away. I am

> anti-surgery and thought that if I went on the right diet that the

> attacks would stop. I have been eating small amounts of oatmeal and

> fat-free soy-milk and I still had an attack today. I am feeling

like

> I just don't want to live like this...I would rather die. And there

> is no way that I will be cut open on an operating table. NEVER!!!!

> So I just don't know what to do. I am too sick right now to do any

> flush. It would kill me. Does anyone have a suggestion???

> Lynne

[Guest guest]

Lynne, I had another thought, and maybe that's why I suggested the

vitamin C in the first place. You describe this as a stomachache and

that you help relieve the pain by vomiting. I had a similar situation

a few years ago and was successfully treated by an allergist.

He said I had a food sensitivity and gave me Seldane and I was able

to easily control the problem that way. I began the tests to figure

out what kind of food I was allergic to but between moving to a new

air base and another pregnancy that got put on the back burner. I now

try to rotate foods more -- not just rely on the same old things

every day. I suspect I may have some celiac disease because I respond

really well to a wheat-free diet.

As I said, what works for me now is high doses of vitamin c. Whenever

I feel like my stomach is about to explode I take a couple of Vitamin

C tablets and sip water and the pain goes away in no time. I usually

follow it up with more Vitamin C to wash the offending food on out of

my system faster. The Epsom salts would really help with that, as

well as help relax the bile ducts so you could pass stones less

painfully if any are ready to come out.

A " mild dose " of Epsom salts would be 1 or 2 tablespoons in a cup of

warm water. You drink that. Yes, they really are edible. Look on the

box, it makes it clear that people have been ingesting Epsom salts

for a long time.

I hope this isn't too much for your system at this point.

Luci

--- In gallstones , " lynne93550 " <lynne93550@y...>

wrote:

> Hi...I am Lynne and age 53. I have been having GB attacks since

the

> summer and they are gradually getting more frequent and worse. It

is

> now getting so I can't eat anymore without getting a huge

stomachache

> afterwards and then I have to make myself throw up. I have lost 20

> pounds in 3 weeks. I had an ultra sound after a massive attack a

> month or so ago and it showed up that half my GB is filled with

> stones. the doctor said I'd better get surgery right away. I am

> anti-surgery and thought that if I went on the right diet that the

> attacks would stop. I have been eating small amounts of oatmeal

and

> fat-free soy-milk and I still had an attack today. I am feeling

like

> I just don't want to live like this...I would rather die. And

there

> is no way that I will be cut open on an operating table. NEVER!!!!

> So I just don't know what to do. I am too sick right now to do any

> flush. It would kill me. Does anyone have a suggestion???

> Lynne

[Guest guest]

I have yet to have had a gall bladder attack even though an ultra-

sound showed I had gallstones. The worst I get is a tight feeling in

my upper right abdomen, just under my ribs. Vitamin C has worked for

me, my mother, and my brother... we are all type O's who eat quite a

bit of milk products and some meat. That's all I can go by. I have no

idea what your body needs, but it is interesting to compare and

consider what works for others and why.

Luci

> It's possible that my pancreas isn't functioning fully - my

chiropractor

> believes it is/was damaged from a year of intense stress that caused

> internal lesions. I think the pancreas excretes bicarbonate and

maybe I'm

> not getting enough of that. Also, I'm Type O and Type O's have

pretty acidic

> stomachs. I don't eat meat, so maybe that acid - meant to digest

meat -

> builds up. I know that drinking lemon juice and warm water before

breakfast

> one day gave me one of my worst attacks ever.