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Welcome back and glad to hear that all is going well for you and your family.

Are you all settled in at your new location? Hope you are back to stay for

awhile - come and join us for chat on Tuesday night if you get a chance!

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Hi :

My name is Suzy and I have 15 month old twins. Emma

was born with severe reflux and tort also. She was

only hospitalized once though. Why was Noah in the

hospital for so long? What meds is he on? How is he

doing now?

--Suzy

--- NapNog@... wrote:

> Hello everyone. I am not new here. I have been a

> member for a while but I

> just haven't been around. I haven't been able to

> keep up either so I am

> going to re intorduce myself. We just moved and

> Noah has been having some

> reflux issues so this is the first time I have been

> in front of the computer

> in a while.

> Anyway I am . I have 2 boys. is 3 and

> Noah is 1. Noah was born

> with torticollis and severe reflux. He spent much

> of his first 6 months of

> life in the hospital. He was put in a DOC band at

> about 6 months of age and

> graduated at about 10 months of age. We had

> terrific results. We live in a

> small town in West Ga called Temple. I look forward

> to getting to know

> everyone again!

>

>

> Mom to

> and Noah DOC band grad

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In a message dated 7/30/01 5:18:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, suzyrosenzweig@... writes:

My name is Suzy and I have 15 month old twins. Emma

was born with severe reflux and tort also. She was

only hospitalized once though. Why was Noah in the

hospital for so long? What meds is he on? How is he

doing now?

Hi Suzy. Noah is just on the Mylanta right now. We have been through all the reflux meds and he just didn't tolerate them. He is doing OK now. He still has some pretty bad episodes. I still have to give him rescue breaths occasionally. He was in the hospital because he did not vomit with his episodes. He choked and would stop breathing. He wore an apnea monitor until he was about 6 months old. He would also stop eating, we think that he associated food with pain. So he wouldn't eat and he would get dehydrated. We had him on a feeding tube for a while. He has also had 5 seizures unrelated to the reflux but those hospitalized him for a while. We are learning what foods trigger episodes in him. It is tough to have an older baby who still spits up but we are learning to deal with all the ups and downs with it. We do know that he is going to have to have another endoscopy soon because they have seen what they think are cysts on the back of his throat.

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and Noah (DOC grad)

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In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jdoan@... writes:

> I am 33 , and I'm from Mobile, Alabama.

> Anybody else from the area? Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself.

>

> Jimmy

>

I am not from Mobile but I am 33.

LoL

jenny

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hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your ankles very

skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention if i wear

shorts how about u

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Hi!

>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:02:29 -0000

>

>Hey Guys, My name is Jimmy and I'm new to the group. Ive been

>reading the posts the last few days and realize just how different

>CMT can be. I also have cmt, I am 33 , and I'm from Mobile, Alabama.

>Anybody else from the area? Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself.

>

>Jimmy

>

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Hi guys and gals! My name is . At the end of july I found out I have

CMT.Im trying to get in with a Occupatienal Therapist to find out my next

step.I am having a hard time finding a carreer that wont harm me.Other than

that Im keeping hope alive.If anybody could let me know what they are doing

Please let me know.

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Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have some

difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

Jimmy

>

> hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your ankles

very

> skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention if i

wear

> shorts how about u

>

>

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thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours yet i

can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it almost

everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes i have

bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most people . ok

so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed in the

last 10 yrs ?

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Hi!

>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

>

>Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have some

>difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

>splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

>so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

>work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

>hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

>

>Jimmy

>

>

> >

> > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your ankles

>very

> > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention if i

>wear

> > shorts how about u

> >

> >

>

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Im 33...I first noticed being clumsy when I was around 13....a year

or two later i started wearing splints...I played baseball and

football in highschool...I gues about two or three yrs ago i noticed

it getting worse...I still climb steps..I have to go up 2 flights

every day when I go to work...the biggest problem is going down steps

cause of my splints how old are u?

Jimmy

>

> thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours

yet i

> can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it

almost

> everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes

i have

> bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most

people . ok

> so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed

in the

> last 10 yrs ?

>

> >From: jdoan@c...

> >Reply-@y...

> >@y...

> >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

> >

> >Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have

some

> >difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

> >splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

> >so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

> >work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

> >hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

> >

> >Jimmy

> >

> >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your

ankles

> >very

> > > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention

if i

> >wear

> > > shorts how about u

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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im 32 what do u know about braces that u wear at night to keep ur tendon

streched

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Hi!

>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:19:49 -0000

>

>Im 33...I first noticed being clumsy when I was around 13....a year

>or two later i started wearing splints...I played baseball and

>football in highschool...I gues about two or three yrs ago i noticed

>it getting worse...I still climb steps..I have to go up 2 flights

>every day when I go to work...the biggest problem is going down steps

>cause of my splints how old are u?

>

>Jimmy

>

>

> >

> > thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours

>yet i

> > can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it

>almost

> > everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes

>i have

> > bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most

>people . ok

> > so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed

>in the

> > last 10 yrs ?

> >

> > >From: jdoan@c...

> > >Reply-@y...

> > >@y...

> > >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> > >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

> > >

> > >Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have

>some

> > >difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

> > >splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

> > >so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

> > >work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

> > >hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

> > >

> > >Jimmy

> > >

> > >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

>wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your

>ankles

> > >very

> > > > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention

>if i

> > >wear

> > > > shorts how about u

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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im 32 what do u know about braces that u wear at night to keep ur tendon

streched

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Hi!

>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:19:49 -0000

>

>Im 33...I first noticed being clumsy when I was around 13....a year

>or two later i started wearing splints...I played baseball and

>football in highschool...I gues about two or three yrs ago i noticed

>it getting worse...I still climb steps..I have to go up 2 flights

>every day when I go to work...the biggest problem is going down steps

>cause of my splints how old are u?

>

>Jimmy

>

>

> >

> > thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours

>yet i

> > can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it

>almost

> > everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes

>i have

> > bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most

>people . ok

> > so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed

>in the

> > last 10 yrs ?

> >

> > >From: jdoan@c...

> > >Reply-@y...

> > >@y...

> > >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> > >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

> > >

> > >Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have

>some

> > >difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

> > >splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

> > >so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

> > >work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

> > >hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

> > >

> > >Jimmy

> > >

> > >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

>wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your

>ankles

> > >very

> > > > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention

>if i

> > >wear

> > > > shorts how about u

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

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im 32 what do u know about braces that u wear at night to keep ur tendon

streched

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Hi!

>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:19:49 -0000

>

>Im 33...I first noticed being clumsy when I was around 13....a year

>or two later i started wearing splints...I played baseball and

>football in highschool...I gues about two or three yrs ago i noticed

>it getting worse...I still climb steps..I have to go up 2 flights

>every day when I go to work...the biggest problem is going down steps

>cause of my splints how old are u?

>

>Jimmy

>

>

> >

> > thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours

>yet i

> > can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it

>almost

> > everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes

>i have

> > bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most

>people . ok

> > so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed

>in the

> > last 10 yrs ?

> >

> > >From: jdoan@c...

> > >Reply-@y...

> > >@y...

> > >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> > >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

> > >

> > >Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have

>some

> > >difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

> > >splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

> > >so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

> > >work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

> > >hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

> > >

> > >Jimmy

> > >

> > >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

>wrote:

> > > >

> > > > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your

>ankles

> > >very

> > > > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention

>if i

> > >wear

> > > > shorts how about u

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > _________________________________________________________________

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i'm not sure if you are replying to me Vince, but I dont wear splints

at night

Jimmy

>

> im 32 what do u know about braces that u wear at night to keep ur

tendon

> streched

>

> >From: jdoan@c...

> >Reply-@y...

> >@y...

> >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 14:19:49 -0000

> >

> >Im 33...I first noticed being clumsy when I was around 13....a year

> >or two later i started wearing splints...I played baseball and

> >football in highschool...I gues about two or three yrs ago i

noticed

> >it getting worse...I still climb steps..I have to go up 2 flights

> >every day when I go to work...the biggest problem is going down

steps

> >cause of my splints how old are u?

> >

> >Jimmy

> >

> >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as

yours

> >yet i

> > > can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do

it

> >almost

> > > everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy

toes

> >i have

> > > bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most

> >people . ok

> > > so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas

progressed

> >in the

> > > last 10 yrs ?

> > >

> > > >From: jdoan@c...

> > > >Reply-@y...

> > > >@y...

> > > >Subject: [] Re: Hi!

> > > >Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

> > > >

> > > >Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do

have

> >some

> > > >difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also

wear

> > > >splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a

band,

> > > >so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh

yes, I

> > > >work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I

also

> > > >hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

> > > >

> > > >Jimmy

> > > >

> > > >--- In @y..., " vince_icq#20757069 car " <vincetoronto@h...>

> >wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your

> >ankles

> > > >very

> > > > > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples

attention

> >if i

> > > >wear

> > > > > shorts how about u

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

_________________________________________________________________

> > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

> >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> >

>

>

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I can beat you I'm 40 and live the other side of the pond. LOL

Love

Sue

The important thing is never to stop questioning.

Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk

Freelance Writer and CMTer

----- Original Message -----

From: Mommy2Adam@...

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:24 AM

Subject: Re: [] Hi!

In a message dated 8/27/2001 2:07:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jdoan@... writes:

> I am 33 , and I'm from Mobile, Alabama.

> Anybody else from the area? Anyway, just wanted to introduce myself.

>

> Jimmy

>

I am not from Mobile but I am 33.

LoL

jenny

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Vince

You climb 20 floors - wow - I'm impressed.

Be careful though

Love

Sue

The important thing is never to stop questioning.

Website www.horder-mason.freeserve.co.uk

Freelance Writer and CMTer

----- Original Message -----

From: vince_icq#20757069 car

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2001 2:13 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Hi!

thanks jimm for the responce i guess my cmt is not as bad as yours yet i

can climb stairs i actually live on the 20 th floor and i do it almost

everyday im hoping this may help . i canot stand on my tipy toes i have

bad balance do stumble once in a while cant walk as fast as most people . ok

so what age are u now and how much would u say ithas progressed in the

last 10 yrs ?

>From: jdoan@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [] Re: Hi!

>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:34 -0000

>

>Yes Vince, my ankles, as well as my calfs are skinny. I do have some

>difficulty climbing stairs (I can still do it though!) I also wear

>splints to keep from eating pavement ;)... I play drums in a band,

>so there are things you can do if u put your mind to it.. Oh yes, I

>work for the county GIS department (Computer mapping) and I also

>hunt...just thought I'd tell a little about myself

>

>Jimmy

>

>

> >

> > hi jim nice to meet you so tell me about your cmt are your ankles

>very

> > skinny mine are to the point that it catches peoples attention if i

>wear

> > shorts how about u

> >

> >

>

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Hi Susie and Mama, Thanks for your posts. I feel for your situation(Susie) and

was not trying to imply anything negative about you or your experience. The

reason I joined this list was to chat and connect with others who have done

many of these cleanses and get some insights from them(as well as possibly

share some of my own). I was a bit frustrated with the posts I had read mainly

because this cleanse is SO CHALLENGING that 99% of those I've met who

eat very strict diets and do lots of other health therapies don't have the

courage/discipline for this. I meant my post more as just a motivator for those

people who have done some flushing to really use that same power to fully

reclaim their health in all areas. I believe that if you can commit and

deidicate

yourself to flushing you can do just about anything. That was my real

intention, regardless of how it came across.

The softening protocol I follow is fairly traditional--I take Oxymag(a very

strong

laxative) along with 20-30 drops of Orthophosphoric acid and 2-3 capsules of

malic acid(instead of apple juice)--each three times a day. I also do blended

raw food only and this way my bowels stay very open and are super easy to

clear out by the time I get to my flush day(usually the fifth day). On the flush

day I do epsom salts to dilate the gallbladder ducts and lately coffee

enemas(immediately after drinking the oil) an so there it is literally nothing

in

my intestinal tract when I drink the oil. Since my intestinal tract is so clear,

the

stones start coming out very quickly and I experience little or no

nausea(although I often did in the very beginning because of how toxic I was).

Another thing that really helps me is to take as much lipase enzymes as

possible 3-4 four hours after the flush to really help break down the oil. This

is

another great tool to help prevent that nauseating/sick feeling. I realize that

this is a fairly extensive protocol for most people but for me it has been my

chief goal for this year above all other things-- therefore I have had no

problem temporarily making it 75% of my entire life. But I understand others

who cannot or would not want to devote this much energy to it.

Lastly, I agree with you that everyone's different and some don't seem to need

to do as many as others. For some reason I seemed create stones more

easily than others and would guess that I had at least 4000(maybe 5000)

when I started flushing initially. It has been hard work and I have really

dedicated and put most of my energy this year into this process and I am so

grateful and happy that I have. Thanks for the kind words and support and I

hope others with experience will also see these discussions and post their

experience/insight. Thanks again!

Tony

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Tony,

I appreciate the details that you go into concerning your flushes. But how do

you feel since you started doing the flushes. What are the health

improvments? So interested to know as I want to get started with the flushes.

Thanks.

Kind regards,

Jeanne

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Tony;

Excellent letter.

It is true that doing the cleanse is not much more different from doing the

other things that make for better health. There is only one thing I would note

regarding the use of epsom salts and that is it's not a dialator of the ducts

but a softening agent that helps them to be more elastic for the passing of the

stones to be done with greater ease. Epson Salt's softening ability is well

recongnized by many who do baths for the purpose of softening the skin, which is

the largest organ of the body.

Dale

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

Hi Susie and Mama, Thanks for your posts. I feel for your situation(Susie) and

was not trying to imply anything negative about you or your experience. The

reason I joined this list was to chat and connect with others who have done

many of these cleanses and get some insights from them(as well as possibly

share some of my own). I was a bit frustrated with the posts I had read mainly

because this cleanse is SO CHALLENGING that 99% of those I've met who

eat very strict diets and do lots of other health therapies don't have the

courage/discipline for this. I meant my post more as just a motivator for those

people who have done some flushing to really use that same power to fully

reclaim their health in all areas. I believe that if you can commit and

deidicate

yourself to flushing you can do just about anything. That was my real

intention, regardless of how it came across.

The softening protocol I follow is fairly traditional--I take Oxymag(a very

strong

laxative) along with 20-30 drops of Orthophosphoric acid and 2-3 capsules of

malic acid(instead of apple juice)--each three times a day. I also do blended

raw food only and this way my bowels stay very open and are super easy to

clear out by the time I get to my flush day(usually the fifth day). On the flush

day I do epsom salts to dilate the gallbladder ducts and lately coffee

enemas(immediately after drinking the oil) an so there it is literally nothing

in

my intestinal tract when I drink the oil. Since my intestinal tract is so clear,

the

stones start coming out very quickly and I experience little or no

nausea(although I often did in the very beginning because of how toxic I was).

Another thing that really helps me is to take as much lipase enzymes as

possible 3-4 four hours after the flush to really help break down the oil. This

is

another great tool to help prevent that nauseating/sick feeling. I realize that

this is a fairly extensive protocol for most people but for me it has been my

chief goal for this year above all other things-- therefore I have had no

problem temporarily making it 75% of my entire life. But I understand others

who cannot or would not want to devote this much energy to it.

Lastly, I agree with you that everyone's different and some don't seem to need

to do as many as others. For some reason I seemed create stones more

easily than others and would guess that I had at least 4000(maybe 5000)

when I started flushing initially. It has been hard work and I have really

dedicated and put most of my energy this year into this process and I am so

grateful and happy that I have. Thanks for the kind words and support and I

hope others with experience will also see these discussions and post their

experience/insight. Thanks again!

Tony

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Hello, Tony,

Your regimine for flushing is very interesting. It is

very true that there are many ways to approach flushing the GB,

and people's attitudes about their diets vary just as much.

Speaking only for myself, I have found that I get the same

results doing a simple program as a more complex...sometimes

more stones, sometimes less. I have simplified so much after

doing this since the mid-1980's. In fact last time, I didn't even

drink the most simple of preparations, apple juice, as much

as I should have and had amazing results with my flush, the

largest stone I've ever passed included, and

this time slept right through it. I agree that earlier flushes made

me feel worse, and do agree that it is to do with how toxic the

contents of the gallbladder and liver were,

the reason why it's good to get the stones, liver and

gallbladder contents out of the small intestines as

quickly as possible after the flush so that it isn't re-digested

into the system. There's pictures and some

details at my web page in the signature lines below. I am not

as strict about my diet, and do eat carbohydrates. I like

basmati and wild rice, deboles artichoke pasta, bread that

is rich in grains. I will eat desserts, etc., when I'm out at

dinner or party, but not much of a dessert eater at home.

Herbal supplements, etc., that I like to use for my Gallbladder

are included at my web page re my flushes. This last time

in November, my system was quite upset for a few weeks

after the flush...by that I mean lots of intestinal gas, etc.,

which lead to my adding more probiotics and taking an

over the counter chewable anti-gas, antacid product that

has helped me get past that. Since I know antacid products

inhibit acids that aid digestion, I also took an enzyme digestive

aid called Proactizyme...I do that anyway, at my age most

need it. Now I'm doing quite well, and just as subtly as

foods left my diet that aggravated my gallbladder, I find

them coming back into my diet, so that is a good thing!

I'm improving!

So that's a little bit about me. I will continue to flush at least

every 6 months, as I believe a stonemaker will continue to

make stones, but that's just my humble opinion.

A blessed holiday season to all,

L. Meydrech, CN

http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes

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Hi Tony,

You bring up some good points. I hope you have or will spent some

time in the archives. Many of us here now have written fairly in

depth about our experiences - not to mention those that have moved

on from this list. Most people are not going to continually rehash

all their past experiences for new comers, but the archives is a

valuable resource :) Of course, if you have a specific question or

experience to share, you will probably get responses...

Thanks for the account of your cleanses.

Vince

> Hi Susie and Mama, Thanks for your posts. I feel for your situation

(Susie) and

> was not trying to imply anything negative about you or your

experience. The

> reason I joined this list was to chat and connect with others who

have done

> many of these cleanses and get some insights from them(as well as

possibly

> share some of my own). I was a bit frustrated with the posts I had

read

<snip>

Thanks for the kind words and support and I

> hope others with experience will also see these discussions and

post their

> experience/insight. Thanks again!

>

> Tony

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Dale, I think by softening, you mean that the magnesium in

the epsoms salts have a relaxing affect on smooth muscle tissue.

This inhibits contractions in the ducts, and makes for

easier passage of stones...I think we are both saying the

same thing in a different way :-) Happy holidays

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

;

I agree whole heartedly with your presentation of what it does.

Dale

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