Re: Gallbladder cleanse--Question for All

[Guest guest]

I'm planning to start trying some liver/gallbladder flushes soon. I

have periodically read through parts of curezone. I have some

questions:

1) Why do/would we keep reforming stones? What is wrong in our

diet/lifestyle? Nature doesn't usually make mistakes.

2) Does anyone know the work of Kane, who wrote 'The Detoxx

Book' and her program is the Detoxx Box. She talks about cleansing

the liver/gallbladder/biliary tree through high potency phosphatydil

choline. SHe gives IV infusions or you can dose orally, and her

recommended liver flush also uses PhosChol, bile salts, butyrate. I

would like to understand how this compares to the typical liver flush

with olive oil, lemons, etc. Does phoschol, since its a part of

lecithin, " scrub " away or emulsify stones/clogged fat in the

liver/gallbladder? Can anybody do some reading and weigh in on this

for me?

3) DO people do colon cleanses after the liver flush, commonly, in

order to help flush out the toxins? My intention now is to learn how

to use a home colema which I recently bought, and when I get

comfortable weith it, to start liver flushes

4) In terms of softening stones, is anyone familiar with Dr. Larry

's recommendation (his site can be found on the web), but here

is what he recommends, including phosphoric acid drops and

magnesium. Any thoughts about this, softening stonees ahead of time

etc:

) For 6 days, eat well, take your nutritional supplements and take 90

drops (30 drops three times a day) of phosphoric acid drops daily. I

have these available if you cannot find them in a store. Some people

recommend drinking as much apple juice as possible. However, this is

not necessary and is too sugary.

Also take about 200 mg of magnesium (chelate,

citrate or other quality product) three times a day, one tablet with

each meal. The phosphoric acid and magnesium help soften stones and

dilate the bile ducts.

2) At noon on the sixth day, eat a normal lunch with supplements,

phosphoric acid drops and magnesium. Two hours after lunch, do a 1-

quart coffee enema using 2 tablespoons of coffee, along with 2

tablespoons or 1/4 cup of Epsom salts in the enema. Retain this

enema for 15 minutes.

3) At suppertime, have a normal dinner with supplements, and be sure

to have fat with the dinner, such as 2 tablespoons of butter on

vegetables or some real whipped cream as a salad dressing.

4) At bedtime, do one of the following:

a) Take 1/3 cup of olive oil followed by some lemon or other

juice if the taste is objectionable.

Take 1/3 cup of olive oil blended with 1/3 cup of orange,

grapefruit or diluted lemon juice.

c) Take 4 tablespoons of olive oil followed by 1 tablespoon of

fruit juice every 15 minutes until one has take 1/3 cup of olive

oil.

If nausea occurs during this procedure, it indicates stimulation of

the gall bladder. Finish the procedure. If vomiting occurs, just

continue and do not add more than the planned amount of olive oil.

5) Immediately upon finishing the oil, lie down on the right side

with the right knee drawn up toward the chin for half an hour. This

is to assist emptying of the oil out of the stomach.

6) If ill during the night, one may take another strong coffee enema

with Epsom salts.

7) In the morning, if nauseous try to remain in bed until it passes.

Upon arising, take another coffee enema with Epsom salts. If nausea

continues after the procedure, eat lightly and skip supplements for a

day or two.

THANX in advanc for all resopnses

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jill:

I am VERY new at this, but thought I would respond to your colon/home Colema

question. I just completed my first liver cleanse two days ago and I

followed s Moritz's advice to do a few colonics prior to my first

cleanse, one the day of the cleanse, and then I just did one yesterday which

was a day after the cleanse. He recommends the initial ones to get out old

debris which will help to keep stones from getting trapped in the colon. If

you've never done a colonic, you could have years of stuff (I've read 10

lbs. of extra fecal matter) trapped in your colon causing different kinds of

problems, according to him and others. Doing it the day of the cleanse is a

great prep and then within a few days after in order to release any stones

that may have become trapped in your colon (which I did see evidence of).

All I can say is from my VERY LITTLE experience with colonics that I have

felt fantastic afterward with great mental clarity and a great feeling of

well-being. I use a Colema board (but have never had a professional

colonic), and like the privacy aspect of it (plus if you plan on doing many

colonics, it should save you money). I was VERY nervous the first time I

used it and it was a bit uncomfortable, lots of cramping. But, I did get " a

lot " in return! (in the toilet I mean....sorry, don't mean to be

gross....:0).....) If you are uncomfortable and nervous, have someone else

at home just in case you need assistance.

I don't know. Everyone has their own experiences. I've done lots of

different types of " cleanses " (bowel, parasites, kidney, fasting, etc.), but

this was my first liver/gallbladder cleanse and my first experience with

colonics. My boyfriend has been doing the same cleanses along with me and

he doesn't seem to have benefited as much as I have. (I am probably more

clogged up than he is!) For me, these were two of the better things I've

done for myself over the years because I felt results almost immediately, so

I know " something " is working to benefit me. I've not read/heard of

terribly adverse reactions with either, but there could always be an

exception, I guess. With the colonics, it seemed like with each colonic I

did, the results lasted longer. The mental clarity and feeling of well

being has kind of taken the sharp edge of life off for me. I do hope it

lasts!

Bonnie

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> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:12:43 -0000

> From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

> Subject: Re: Gallbladder cleanse--Question for All

>

>

> 3) DO people do colon cleanses after the liver flush, commonly, in

> order to help flush out the toxins? My intention now is to learn how

> to use a home colema which I recently bought, and when I get

> comfortable weith it, to start liver flushes

[Guest guest]

Thanx Bonnie. I am hoping to do the colema this week. I also prefer

the privacy--and save the $ (the board cost $124 new, including

shipping and all the parts except a bucket which I got for 99

cents!). It means I can stop if I'm uncomfortable and try again

another day. I am planning just what you say, a few colemas and then

a liver cleanse. Can you tell me how you did your liver cleanse

(what you used, there are different ones). Thanx.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jill: I used Hulda's recipe with a few additions from s Moritz:

drinking one quart of apple juice a day for the 5 days leading up to the

cleanse and then also a quart on the day of the cleanse (prior to the 2:00

pm cut-off point for liquids). The apples help to soften the stones. And,

of course, the colonics prior to, the day of, and within a couple of days

after.

Here's a copy of Hulda's recipe in case you don't have it already.

http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

Bonnie

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> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:48:00 -0000

> From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

> Subject: Re: Gallbladder cleanse--Question for All

>

> Thanx Bonnie. I am hoping to do the colema this week. I also prefer

> the privacy--and save the $ (the board cost $124 new, including

> shipping and all the parts except a bucket which I got for 99

> cents!). It means I can stop if I'm uncomfortable and try again

> another day. I am planning just what you say, a few colemas and then

> a liver cleanse. Can you tell me how you did your liver cleanse

> (what you used, there are different ones). Thanx.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The recipe you post here sounds an awful lot like the one Bonnie gave

us a link to in message #15499... hers emphasizes whipped cream, but

both have you taking phosphoric acid while eating normally for

several days, then coffee enemas, and pretty much all the rest.

I don't know the answers to your other questions. It's possible that

everyone makes the soft gall-stones and that only some of us have a

problem with them, or keep them in our gall-bladders long enough for

them to calcify. Maybe pregnancy and/or being overweight pushes the

gallbladder into an unhealthy position in our abdominal cavity and

keeps us from being able to easily expell gall-stones. And other

people who don't meet those categories could just have smaller bile

ducts or something.

Luci

> I'm planning to start trying some liver/gallbladder flushes soon.

I

> have periodically read through parts of curezone. I have some

> questions:

> 2) Does anyone know the work of Kane, who wrote 'The

Detoxx

> Book' and her program is the Detoxx Box. She talks about cleansing

> the liver/gallbladder/biliary tree through high potency

phosphatydil

> choline. SHe gives IV infusions or you can dose orally, and her

> recommended liver flush also uses PhosChol, bile salts, butyrate.