Re: 8th flush and soapmaking experiment

[Guest guest]

Wow, Donna, that is a fascinating experiment! I've wondered about

that as well, so I'm really glad you did this experiment. I've also

made many batches of soap, so I'm familiar with true saponification.

I'm rather curious about how the human body would produce lye to

saponify the olive oil? Inside our bodies the olive oil would mix

with the lemon or grape-fruit juice and stomach acid. What is the

nearest OTC equivalent to stomach acid? Would that be vinegar? I hope

it wouldn't be lye! Do our stomachs produce caustic soda?

So far I've never been really good and patient with my cleanses and I

haven't had a completely empty digestive tract before taking my olive

oil. To my limited thinking, if the saponification theory were

correct, if olive oil saponified in a dirty digestive tract there

should be partially digested food-stuffs clumped in with these " fake

gall-stones. " But my little green " fake gall-stones " are green all

over, and green all the way through, and there are no clumps of

partially digested food inside my bright green gall-stones. So far I

haven't passed any brown or tan stones, so I can't comment on them.

So, with only my limited knowledge and experience (with soap-making,

and with gall-bladder flushes) I would have to say that I don't

believe the saponification theory. And I think your experiment backs

that up very well.

I've started a cleanse tonight, so we'll see how the theory goes.

Luci

>

> For anyone keeping track, flush #7 produced nothing. No green

> stones or tan stones or sludge. Nothing.

>

> Flush #8 produced several stones. Most of them were tan on

> the outside with green waxy stuff on the inside. The largest

> was 2.3 cm x 1.6 cm.

>

> I don't know if the saponified olive oil debate is still going

> on, but just for fun, I made a mix of olive oil, grapefruit

> juice, lime juice, epson salts, lye and water. I don't recommend

> anyone trying this because lye and water forms a toxic gas and

> gets very hot. However, I have a bit of experience soapmaking

> and did that part outside. I warmed the juice/oil/salt combo

> and cooled the water/lye combo to 100F before mixing them all

> together. I then divided the mix, placing half in a ziploc

> freezer bag and putting it on a heating pad to keep warm. I

> managed to keep the bag between 94F and 98F for almost 48 hours.

> No soap or clumps or anything formed.

>

> I left the other mixture in the pan and kept it between 90F and

> 100F for 12 hours before losing interest and letting it cool to

> room temperature (70-80F in Texas this weekend). After 36 hours,

> there were some yellow soap " flakes " on the top of the mixture.

> I scooped out a bit and washed my hands. Definitely soap. I put

> a bit more in cool water and they dissolved within minutes.

>

> My stones from flush #3 are stored in water at room temperature

> and have yet to dissolve after several weeks.

>

> I realize this proves nothing, but it is interesting.

>

> Just for my own information, does anyone know the consistency

> of bile? I think most of my stones have been thickened bile with

> an outer coating of something - cholesterol maybe? But I don't

> know how thick bile is supposed to be normally. I do know that I

> feel much better after flushing, but still not 100%.

>

> Donna

[Guest guest]

> Just for my own information, does anyone know the consistency

> of bile?

Bile is mainly composed of bile acids and blood pigment (bilirubin &

biliverdin).

Bile acids are building blocks of cholesterol.

> I think most of my stones have been thickened bile with

> an outer coating of something - cholesterol maybe?

Outer coating is cholesterol after being exposed to digestive

juices.

> But I don't

> know how thick bile is supposed to be normally.

Bile is usually as thick as vine.

Agnes

[Guest guest]

> > I think most of my stones have been thickened bile with

> > an outer coating of something - cholesterol maybe?

>

> Outer coating is cholesterol after being exposed to digestive

> juices.

That makes sense and certainly explains why there was more of

the tan coating when I skipped the epsom salts.

>

> > But I don't

> > know how thick bile is supposed to be normally.

>

> Bile is usually as thick as vine.

Thanks!