Re: DIFFERENT PAIN...HELP!!!!!!!...MAMA

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No, I didn't take any epson salts or anything else...I wasn't

prepared at all. I did however, pop a vicodin....:0) Didn't take the

pain away...but I was a bit oblivious....lol! I'm one of those

people who is VERY sensitive to narcotics.

So, you really feel it may have been a stone passing through? It did

seem different, odd and the pain seemed to be moving. As far as

passing a stone....I had a question. I know this sounds gross, but

there is no easier way to put it! If I have a solid BM, the stone

could be encased inside rather than floating? I'm not really one for

poking around the toilet afterward to find out! LOL! Just curious!

Thanks so much for your help...I really appreciate it!

Edie

In gallstones , " The Witt family " <janne@r...> wrote:

> Edie, I would say you passed a large stone which got stuck in your

bile duct for a short period of time backing bile up into your

liver. Then your rocking, bouncing, pacing, pushed it out into your

bowel.

>

> Did you take a tablespoon of Epsom Salts in a glass of water,

followed by sipping water with a little lemon juice in it? I also

drink 2T oil and 3T lemon juice every half hour too, as well as

getting out a heat pack or two and putting on relaxing music in a

candlelit room.

>

> And lucky last, Stretch my arms heavenwards every now and then to

help open up my upper abdomen to straighten out my bile duct and let

the stone pop out.

>

> It sounds to me like your body is doing what it's supposed to be

doing and getting rid of those stones ))) and no it isn't going to

be comfortable but it sure beats going under the knife with all it's

associated risks and no guarantees that you won't still pass liver

stones.

>

> Blessings

> Mama.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: toydiva65

> gallstones

> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:22 AM

> Subject: DIFFERENT PAIN...HELP!!!!!!!

>

>

> Well, another attack lat night....but this one was different

from my

> normal attacks. The normal attacks begin in the middle of the

night

> as a dull, boring, crushing pain going from my upper stomach and

> chest, into my back. It's constant, nauseating and horrible.

>

> The attack last night started as pain between the shoulder

> blades....sharp, off and on and when it was constant, felt like

a

> severly pulled muscle. Next thing I know the pain is in front,

> upper, center belly and wow....PAINFUL! This pain is

sharper....kind

> of radiating or throbbing. My upper stomach swelled to an

> uncomfortable level (but tolerable) almost like I was REALLY

gassy

> and over-full. The more I paced, rocked and bounced, the more it

> soothed. This one lasted about 4 or 5 hours.

>

> The odd thing was....the pain seemed to move. It started where

it

> always had but ended in my right side under the ribcage. Never

had

> that before.

>

> So, I'm wondering....could I had dislodged a stone and it's

> traveling along my duodenum (left side)??? I started taking

> lecithin, b-6, and some other herb capsules for liver health

(milk

> thistle, dandelion, artechoke etc) The nutritionist told me the

> herbs were good for detoxifying my liver and would flush things

out.

>

> So what's the deal??? Anyone here have a clue??????? Thanks in

> advance!

>

> Edie

> PS) Still waiting on insurance to kick in....this puppy is

coming

> OUT! I can't take it anymore! Okay....I whined...forgive me

now! ;0)

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Edie,

I'm obviously not MAMA, but hope I'm not out of line diving in here

with an opinion. I think you are absolutly right that who knows how

many stones are passed normally or by our efforts if we have

reasonably solid bowel movements. I and others have reported

a " natural " miniflush after eating a high fat meal. I wouldn't have

known it, except several green stones were visible in a solid bowel

movement when I wasn't even doing a flush procedure... O had been

too busy to eat all day, and when I had garlic cooked roast beef

that night it caused a flush of gall stones. Makes me think that we

don't need to get too hung up on all the details of which flush we

do. Just pick one and go for it...

Vince

--- In gallstones , " toydiva65 " <toydiva65@y...>

wrote:

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>

> No, I didn't take any epson salts or anything else...I wasn't

> prepared at all. I did however, pop a vicodin....:0) Didn't take

the

> pain away...but I was a bit oblivious....lol! I'm one of those

> people who is VERY sensitive to narcotics.

>

> So, you really feel it may have been a stone passing through? It

did

> seem different, odd and the pain seemed to be moving. As far as

> passing a stone....I had a question. I know this sounds gross, but

> there is no easier way to put it! If I have a solid BM, the stone

> could be encased inside rather than floating? I'm not really one

for

> poking around the toilet afterward to find out! LOL! Just curious!

>

> Thanks so much for your help...I really appreciate it!

>

> Edie

[Guest guest]

>>>No, I didn't take any epson salts or anything else...I wasn't prepared at

all<<<

Ah well, next time - if there is one - you'll be better prepared )

>>>So, you really feel it may have been a stone passing through?<<<

Yes, What you described is identical to what many of us have experienced in the

past.

>>> As far as passing a stone....I had a question. I know this sounds gross, but

there is no easier way to put it! If I have a solid BM, the stone could be

encased inside rather than floating? I'm not really one for poking around the

toilet afterward to find out! LOL! Just curious!<<<

Yes, it *is* gross lol and yes, the stone/s could be unseen unless you go

looking for it. The instructions I have read go as follows: Use a sieve to catch

your motion, if the motion is watery only the stones will be caught in the

sieve. If the motion is formed wash it down the waste with the showerhead to see

what you end up with.

Blessings

Mama.