Re: DIFFERENT PAIN...HELP!!!!!!!

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Edie, I would say you passed a large stone which got stuck in your bile duct for

a short period of time backing bile up into your liver. Then your rocking,

bouncing, pacing, pushed it out into your bowel.

Did you take a tablespoon of Epsom Salts in a glass of water, followed by

sipping water with a little lemon juice in it? I also drink 2T oil and 3T lemon

juice every half hour too, as well as getting out a heat pack or two and putting

on relaxing music in a candlelit room.

And lucky last, Stretch my arms heavenwards every now and then to help open up

my upper abdomen to straighten out my bile duct and let the stone pop out.

It sounds to me like your body is doing what it's supposed to be doing and

getting rid of those stones ))) and no it isn't going to be comfortable but it

sure beats going under the knife with all it's associated risks and no

guarantees that you won't still pass liver stones.

Blessings

Mama.

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From: toydiva65

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Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 11:22 AM

Subject: DIFFERENT PAIN...HELP!!!!!!!

Well, another attack lat night....but this one was different from my

normal attacks. The normal attacks begin in the middle of the night

as a dull, boring, crushing pain going from my upper stomach and

chest, into my back. It's constant, nauseating and horrible.

The attack last night started as pain between the shoulder

blades....sharp, off and on and when it was constant, felt like a

severly pulled muscle. Next thing I know the pain is in front,

upper, center belly and wow....PAINFUL! This pain is sharper....kind

of radiating or throbbing. My upper stomach swelled to an

uncomfortable level (but tolerable) almost like I was REALLY gassy

and over-full. The more I paced, rocked and bounced, the more it

soothed. This one lasted about 4 or 5 hours.

The odd thing was....the pain seemed to move. It started where it

always had but ended in my right side under the ribcage. Never had

that before.

So, I'm wondering....could I had dislodged a stone and it's

traveling along my duodenum (left side)??? I started taking

lecithin, b-6, and some other herb capsules for liver health (milk

thistle, dandelion, artechoke etc) The nutritionist told me the

herbs were good for detoxifying my liver and would flush things out.

So what's the deal??? Anyone here have a clue??????? Thanks in

advance!

Edie

PS) Still waiting on insurance to kick in....this puppy is coming

OUT! I can't take it anymore! Okay....I whined...forgive me now! ;0)

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<<So what's the deal??? Anyone here have a clue??????? Thanks in

advance!

Edie>>

You are describing a classic hiatal hernia/acid reflux attack - which I've had

and ended up in the emergency room for, twice. You also described the time of

day that mine occurred - evening/night after a meal - once after going to bed.

Jay

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>>>You are describing a classic hiatal hernia/acid reflux attack - which I've

had and ended up in the emergency room for, twice. You also described the time

of day that mine occurred - evening/night after a meal - once after going to

bed.<<<

This is a possibility, and may have been correct in your case Jay, but I was

incorrectly fobbed off with ineffective treatment for a hiatus hernia, among

other things, for approx 13y before I realised my problem was actually

liver/gallbladder dysfunction and had it confirmed by tests.

Since then several incidents of so-called 'Hiatus hernia' has been confirmed as

temporarily blocked bile duct by bloodwork showing elevated liver enzymes.

What Edie described is identical to my experience of passing a stone.

Blessings

Mama.