Guest guest Posted January 1, 1970 Report Share Posted January 1, 1970 >not conclusive at all. the theory is that stones originate in the >liver, travel through the common bile duct into the gall bladder, >and then finally (if you are unlucky) into the kidney. There is no anatomical pathway from gall bladder to kidney. Kidney stones are an entirely different entity from gallstones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 i've done 5 so far. the last one yielded a good amount of large stones. i don't know why andy doesn't believe these are stones, and thinks they are acidified olive oil. i cut one open and it was green crystals. i also let the oil and grapefruit and epsom salts sit over night to see if it would turn into these stones. not even close. i am wondering if you did the cleanses while you were chelating. i am also dealing with parasites. so i'm not sure if it is a good idea to do more cleansing at this point, or should i power through it and hopefully improve my liver function which will make the cleansing and chelating easier in the future the last one i did, i extended it to three days and took the oil/grapfruit 2 days in a row. it felt like some got stuck on the second day, so i didn't know what to do. and i was drinking the epsom salts for two days. i am also wondering if there is mercury encased in these stones. what do you mean by repeating the magnesium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2001 Report Share Posted December 26, 2001 I've done over 20 of them in the past couple of years. I did one a month at first. The particular recipe I have calls for drinking apple juice for several days prior to soften the stones. On the last day, I use lemon or grapefruit juice and olive oil. I take magnesium only if the stones have become stuck. This did happen a couple of times. The worse time, I had to repeat the magnesium before the pain would go away. I did collect those stones. One of them was 1 1/4 inch by 3/4 inch. The other was 3/4 inch diameter. There were about 50 of them on that flush of various sizes. You can e-mail privately if you have any particular questions. I feel that they did me a lot of good. The last couple of them had no stones. Carmen Arthur Luckower wrote: > what is the general feeling here about doing liver flushes with olive oil/grapefruit and epsom salts to open the bile ducts. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2001 Report Share Posted December 27, 2001 I have done the liver flushes while chelating. I quit doing them when I wasn't getting stones. It was also hard for me mentally to do two things at once. The flushes are a little hard on the body, especially at first. I had some chemicals released into my bloodstream with the stone ejection from the liver. I know that sounds weird, but in the middle of the night, shortly after feeling the liver release everything, I'd smell tobacco smoke or ether or something else. This would follow me for a day or two after. I have never smoked, although I have been around enough of it. I have a degree in biochemistry so the chemicals were in my past (never used the degree). I don't use the epsom salts. I use other forms of magnesium. By repeating the magnesium, I meant that I took two capsules. The pain continued, so I took two more of them - probably 30 minutes later. (I don't look at the clock at night often.) > > i am wondering if you did the cleanses while you were chelating. i am also dealing with parasites. so i'm not sure if it is a good idea to do more cleansing at this point, or should i power through it and hopefully improve my liver function which will make the cleansing and chelating easier in the future > I can't help with the parasite question. I have heard that the flushes will remove parasites from the liver. > > the last one i did, i extended it to three days and took the oil/grapfruit 2 days in a row. it felt like some got stuck on the second day, so i didn't know what to do. and i was drinking the epsom salts for two days. i am also wondering if there is mercury encased in these stones. what do you mean by repeating the magnesium > Also, a lot of my stones were ugly brown or black or beige. So, there are more colors than green. Carmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2002 Report Share Posted February 10, 2002 Hi beth, Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. Re: [ ] liver cleansing > I've done over 20 of them in the past couple of years. I did one a month at first. The particular recipe I have calls for > drinking apple juice for several days prior to soften the stones. On the last day, I use lemon or grapefruit juice and olive > oil. I take magnesium only if the stones have become stuck. This did happen a couple of times. The worse time, I had to > repeat the magnesium before the pain would go away. I did collect those stones. One of them was 1 1/4 inch by 3/4 inch. The > other was 3/4 inch diameter. There were about 50 of them on that flush of various sizes. You can e-mail privately if you have > any particular questions. I feel that they did me a lot of good. The last couple of them had no stones. > > Carmen > > Arthur Luckower wrote: > > > what is the general feeling here about doing liver flushes with olive oil/grapefruit and epsom salts to open the bile ducts. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 It is supposed to. I think a better alternative than surgery. Carmen Griffiths wrote: > Hi beth, > > Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 At 01:11 PM 2/10/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi beth, > >Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. > > Does someone have gallstones? I missed it. If so, write me privately about treatments. They are quite treatable, from what I have heard. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 A liver cleanse is likely to precipitate a severe gall bladder attack. What might help is to take several grams each of taurine, glycine and phosphatidylcholine (concentrated lecithin) each day, in divided doses, along with C and milk thistle. This will increase the bile's ability to dissolve the gallstones and may reduce the amount of gunk in the bile that precipitates in the gall bladder. MD doctors won't believe in this. An ND doctor up here was able to show me sonograms of a couple of patients who had their gall bladders clear out, and whose MD doctor first scheduled surgery, then after the second sonogram (right before surgery) cancelled it because of the " spontaneous remission. " Andy > It is supposed to. I think a better alternative than surgery. > > Carmen > > Griffiths wrote: > > > Hi beth, > > > > Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 andy: i asked you what you thought about the liver cleanse many months ago, and you said that it was not real, that the 'stones' were created by the olive oil and the epsom salts. have you reversed your opinion on this? personally i think they are totally for real. i have had numerous discussions with saul pressman a chiropractor who has prescribed thousands of them for his patients. he has also claimed that that people who had their gall bladder removed still passed lots of large stones. if you have reversed your opinion, then i'm glad to hear it, since everything else you say makes a whole lot of sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 Andy, I bought a bottle of phosphatidylcholine several months ago...1200 mg capsules..is this an OK dosage..What about for my 8 year old daughte 20 kilos. Have no idea about this substance so it is unfortunately an uneducated question!! Best regards, [ ] Re: liver cleansing > A liver cleanse is likely to precipitate a severe gall bladder attack. > > What might help is to take several grams each of taurine, glycine and > phosphatidylcholine (concentrated lecithin) each day, in divided > doses, along with C and milk thistle. > > This will increase the bile's ability to dissolve the gallstones and > may reduce the amount of gunk in the bile that precipitates in the > gall bladder. > > MD doctors won't believe in this. > > An ND doctor up here was able to show me sonograms of a couple of > patients who had their gall bladders clear out, and whose MD doctor > first scheduled surgery, then after the second sonogram (right before > surgery) cancelled it because of the " spontaneous remission. " > > Andy > > > > > It is supposed to. I think a better alternative than surgery. > > > > Carmen > > > > Griffiths wrote: > > > > > Hi beth, > > > > > > Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 > andy: > > i asked you what you thought about the liver cleanse many months ago, and you said that it was not real, that the 'stones' were created by the olive oil and the epsom salts. have you reversed your opinion on this? no I have not. This is correct. There are some potential beneficial effects from some of the liver cleanses, but they do not get rid of gallstones. Other things may however. > > personally i think they are totally for real. i have had numerous discussions with saul pressman a chiropractor who has prescribed thousands of them for his patients. he has also claimed that that people who had their gall bladder removed still passed lots of large stones. Correct, which is conclusive proof what they are passing is not gallstones. Without their gallbladder there simply is no place large stones can BE. > > if you have reversed your opinion, then i'm glad to hear it, since everything else you say makes a whole lot of sense 'Fraid we'll have to agree to continue disagreeing on this one. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 > > > > > > > Hi beth, > > > > > > > > Dont know if this would help gallstones but its woth a try. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 <<Correct, which is conclusive proof what they are passing is not gallstones. Without their gallbladder there simply is no place large stones can BE.>> not conclusive at all. the theory is that stones originate in the liver, travel through the common bile duct into the gall bladder, and then finally (if you are unlucky) into the kidney. it is possible that large stones can collect inside the liver, or that small ones can group together while they are being flushed. i have spoken with a few people who had their stones analyzed as consisting of bile salts. they alos had xrays of their livers before nad after -- and the liver had shrunk considerably from a swollen state after the cleanse. furthermore, if the stones are not stones as you say, then we should be able to make them by mixing olive oil, grapefruit juice and epsom salt. i tried this. no such luck. further proof that they are indeed liver or gall stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 > > >not conclusive at all. the theory is that stones originate in the > >liver, travel through the common bile duct into the gall bladder, The bile duct is small before the gall bladder, and not very large after it. Large stones can't form in it or it becomes obstructed. If you are seeing anything bigger than 1-2 mm in someone without a gall bladder they aren't coming out of the bile duct. Andy > >and then finally (if you are unlucky) into the kidney. > > There is no anatomical pathway from gall bladder to kidney. Kidney > stones are an entirely different entity from gallstones. > > Ju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 the anus looks small as well, and yet some people pass very large stools. looking at a vagina, one would not think that a baby could pass through it. mere visual inspection of a duct does not prove anything. the purpose of the epsom salts is to dilate that duct so it can stretch and allow for large stones to pass. when people fail to take the epsom salts in the cleanse, no large stones come out. this further proves the cleanse's validity imo. from experience, i have felt a slight pinching sensation as stones are being passed. it is almost painful, but not quite. could this be a large stone being squeezed through a smalle tube? very likely. a rubber band can stretch to many times its normal size. a better argument on your part would be to prove the elasticity of the duct, rather than it's size. to use your logic, why not try a clinical trial and see what happens? that's what i did, and i was pleasantly surprised. but if you do it, be sure to follow the instructions carefully, or ask me and i will post the proper instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 , The gallbladder cleanse should also help cleanse the liver. Although I've never read a medical description of a fatty liver, I'm assuming it's one that is congested with fat and cholesterol that is not moving through as it should? So the liver flush would be just the thing. The description of what I do is at my web site in my signature line, and re digestive problems, see the email I wrote before this one to Leah :-) L. Meydrech, CN http://nutritionist.tripod.com/gallbladder.html ~ My Flushes mailto:claudiameydrech@... " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 <<...I want to start doing liver cleansings. Can somebody send me the specific diet, and daily procedures. When to drink the olive oil and the lemon? When to do the coffee enemas?>> This cure zone site has lots of flush options along with a lot of corresponding information. http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/default.asp<http://www.curezone.com/cleans\ e/liver/default.asp> I have done several flushes and around #16 or so passed a significant amount of white lard looking stuff. During that flush I lost 8#. No one could tell me what I passed and I eventually found information about " fatty liver " on the Internet. It still don't know whether or not that came out of my liver, but it certainly didn't come out of my digestive tract. I also passed some of the same thing, but not as much, in the next flush. I started flushes on the standard Epsom salts and 1/2 cup of olive oil and grapefruit juice (after fasting after 2:00). That type of flush stopped producing stones after about 12 or so. With #14 I switched to a much heftier flush going with 1/4 cup of olive oil and 1/4 of lemon juice every 15 minutes until 2 cups of oil were consumed. It was that type of flush that produced the lard type stuff. From what you are saying, I would start slow with a flush that you think you can handle. (See the above site for all the different varieties that are available.) For diet, I would suggest " The Liver Cleansing Diet " by Cabot. Though I don't currently have the book, I did read it a few years ago and it has a liver healthy diet in it. Lastly for healing the liver, nothing beats milk thistle supplements. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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