Re: GBladder Attack Symptoms in a Nutshell....Part 2

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In a message dated 5/18/2004 6:51:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

holistic@... writes:

> GB attack pain is different for everyone but there are some

> similarities that most people feel. You ALWAYS know that

> something is not right. Here's what I get:

>

To Will's excellent list I would add nausea and probably constipation (that

IMHO exacerbates the GB problem).

Jay offered a simple solution to figure out what is happening I really liked:

(chime in Jay if I misquoted you)

Take 1 tsp of Epsom Salts and some citrus juice -- wait 30 minutes -- feel

better, then its Gall Bladder.

Take a Tagamet, wait 30 minutes. Feel Better? Then its reflux.

Still fell bad, it probably is getting serious -- correct me guys if I am

wrong here.

My Naturopath has told me : If I am projectile vomiting and have a stabbing

pain in my navel area, then go to the ER since its a stuck stone and serious

pancreatitis beginning.

Otherwise, stay home and treat it with Epsom Salts, nux vomica, rescue

remedy, apple juice + apple cider vinegar and deep breathing and prayer ( where

I

usually start -- " God, show me what to do here that will help this situation. " )

Hope this helps.

(atlanta)

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Thank you all for the info. When the pain started yet again this

afternoon I took 2 tablespoons of apple cider vinegar as I had read (I

think) apple juice is part of the flushing and relaxes the duct. Any way it

worked. I was nauseated from the pain but I happen to really like the taste

of vinegar so it went down just fine. I agree about the constipation

exacerbated the attacks.

Judith

----- Original Message -----

From: <mackarmstr@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:34 PM

Subject: Re: GBladder Attack Symptoms in a Nutshell....Part 2

> In a message dated 5/18/2004 6:51:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> holistic@... writes:

>

>

> > GB attack pain is different for everyone but there are some

> > similarities that most people feel. You ALWAYS know that

> > something is not right. Here's what I get:

> >

>

> To Will's excellent list I would add nausea and probably constipation

(that

> IMHO exacerbates the GB problem).

>

> Jay offered a simple solution to figure out what is happening I really

liked:

> (chime in Jay if I misquoted you)

>

> Take 1 tsp of Epsom Salts and some citrus juice -- wait 30 minutes --

feel

> better, then its Gall Bladder.

>

> Take a Tagamet, wait 30 minutes. Feel Better? Then its reflux.

>

> Still fell bad, it probably is getting serious -- correct me guys if I

am

> wrong here.

>

> My Naturopath has told me : If I am projectile vomiting and have a

stabbing

> pain in my navel area, then go to the ER since its a stuck stone and

serious

> pancreatitis beginning.

>

> Otherwise, stay home and treat it with Epsom Salts, nux vomica, rescue

> remedy, apple juice + apple cider vinegar and deep breathing and prayer

( where I

> usually start -- " God, show me what to do here that will help this

situation. " )

>

> Hope this helps.

> (atlanta)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>I was nauseated from the pain but I happen to really like the taste

of vinegar so it went down just fine. I agree about the constipation

exacerbated the attacks.<<<

Hey Judith,

When I get intermittent mild attacks, between flushes, I use the epsom salts

to relieve the constipation of IBS, which seems to exacerbate the attacks -

the fullness and aching pain under the right ribcage. The epsom salts also help

purge stuck stones and sludge by helping to relax and dilate the bile ducts.

As I think pointed out, it's worth trying a tbsp of epsom salts in a

cup of freshly squeezed (no sugar) grapefruit juice, next time. You will know if

it is gall bladder-related, if you get relief within about 20 mins to half an

hour. Best to make sure you have a few uninterrupted hours when you know you

will be at home, too, as you will be making a few runs to the loo! LOL

As I was wisely told, here on this site, the Epsom Salt and grapefruit juice

(and the apple cider/vinegar remedy you tried) can only be a " bandaid

quick-fix " , though, and it's wise to do a flush, as soon as you can, to help

prevent a

more major attack.

All the best!

Blessings, n

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In a message dated 5/19/2004 11:17:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

momazmat@... writes:

> As I think pointed out, it's worth trying a tbsp of epsom salts in a

> cup of freshly squeezed (no sugar) grapefruit juice, next time. You will

> know if

> it is gall bladder-related, if you get relief within about 20 mins to half

> an

> hour. Best to make sure you have a few uninterrupted hours when you know you

>

> will be at home, too, as you will be making a few runs to the loo!

Two things. ns addressed the epsom salts issue -- I actually use less,

like a teaspoon to begin because my system is fairly responsive and that is all

it takes for me -- what I am saying it this:

1) I try to use enough but no more epsom salts to stop the pain and open the

bowels well. For me, its better emotionally for me to start with less (so I

feel like I have more options if needed, like a second dose of Epsom salts.).

So experiment.

Will has taken more than one dose to get relief. I have always gotten relief

with the first does ( and sometime diarrhea too<G>). He can guide you more on

that aspect.

n taught me this trick so maybe she will chime in on how much she uses.

Look at her recent posts. She has generously shared some terrific info on

fulvic acid and GB issues.

2) On nausea. I take nux vomica - 6C, a Boiron homeopathic in a blue tube

(about $5 if you are not familiar with them). That usually alleviates my nausea.

Check in the archives under Will's login -- holistic @ visi for a recent post

( last 3 months) on what he keeps in his emergency kit. That will help you if

you have those items close at hand.

Hope this helps. Stay calm. There are MANY options other than surgery. You

just need to investigate until you find the ones that feel right for you.

(Atlanta)

[Guest guest]

Hi and Judith,

wrote:

>>>n taught me this trick so maybe she will chime in on how much she

uses. <<<

As very wisely said, it's really best to go with your intuition on

doses of Epsom Salts, or even which protocol you feel comfortable with, to start

flushing, because there are a number of choices and we're probably all a little

fearful first time. Less is sometimes more and moderation in all things, as

the sayings go, and it's a good idea to test a smaller dosage, first, to see

how your own body type reacts. I was in quite a bit of discomfort the first

time I tried it, so I just went with the Curezone recommendations of 1 tbsp

and was amazed at the fast, blessed results.

Having said that, Epsom Salts, while producing a powerful flushing effect on

the ol' innerds, they are also fairly innocuous in the doses used for

flushing, generally speaking, provided you drink plenty of fresh water and keep

yourself hydrated. In the flush protocol I used for my first flush, it advocated

2

separate doses of Epsom Salts of 2 tbsps in water (I used grapefruit juice),

spread two hours apart. Then, at bedtime, I took the olive oil and lemon juice.

So, a total of 4 tbsps. This really does clean you out to the extent that the

next morning all you will pass are stones and chaff. So, what I have found is

that there is really no mistaking what are the stones. I also like to take

more to ensure my gall bladder is nice and relaxed and dilated, but this is just

my personal preference.

http://www.ghchealth.com/liver-and-gallbladder-flush.html

I was a little shocked, to say the least, when I read the information at the

Global Healing Center site, which stated that by the time we're in our 40s,

it's not uncommon to be carrying around 5 to 20 pounds of stagnant, compacted

fecal matter in the intestines, which is one reason I also started using their

product, Oxy-powder, for my IBS. It's made a world of difference, thank

goodness, apart from feeling a little lighter all around! LOL

Blessings, n

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n, thank you so much for the info. Do you think IBS contributes to

the gallbladder problems? or is it the other way around, perhaps? I am

going to try to do the flush this weekend. I woke up at 3 AM with the upper

right (under the ribs) pain. Got up groggy and downed a couple of spoons of

vinegar with a little relief. Today I did the 1 teaspoon of Epsom Salts

with some relief from pain but no other 'action'. So it may take the

tablespoon to get things going for me.

A person has 5 to 20 pounds of 'crud'??? Oxy-powder helps you with your

IBS, how if you don't mind answering?

Judith

----- Original Message -----

From: <momazmat@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:26 PM

Subject: Re: GBladder Attack Symptoms in a Nutshell....Part 2

> Hi and Judith,

>

> wrote:

>

> >>>n taught me this trick so maybe she will chime in on how much

she

> uses. <<<

>

> As very wisely said, it's really best to go with your intuition on

> doses of Epsom Salts, or even which protocol you feel comfortable with,

to start

> flushing, because there are a number of choices and we're probably all a

little

> fearful first time. Less is sometimes more and moderation in all things,

as

> the sayings go, and it's a good idea to test a smaller dosage, first, to

see

> how your own body type reacts. I was in quite a bit of discomfort

the first

> time I tried it, so I just went with the Curezone recommendations of 1

tbsp

> and was amazed at the fast, blessed results.

>

> Having said that, Epsom Salts, while producing a powerful flushing

effect on

> the ol' innerds, they are also fairly innocuous in the doses used for

> flushing, generally speaking, provided you drink plenty of fresh water

and keep

> yourself hydrated. In the flush protocol I used for my first flush, it

advocated 2

> separate doses of Epsom Salts of 2 tbsps in water (I used grapefruit

juice),

> spread two hours apart. Then, at bedtime, I took the olive oil and lemon

juice.

> So, a total of 4 tbsps. This really does clean you out to the extent

that the

> next morning all you will pass are stones and chaff. So, what I have

found is

> that there is really no mistaking what are the stones. I also like to

take

> more to ensure my gall bladder is nice and relaxed and dilated, but this

is just

> my personal preference.

>

> http://www.ghchealth.com/liver-and-gallbladder-flush.html

>

> I was a little shocked, to say the least, when I read the information at

the

> Global Healing Center site, which stated that by the time we're in our

40s,

> it's not uncommon to be carrying around 5 to 20 pounds of stagnant,

compacted

> fecal matter in the intestines, which is one reason I also started using

their

> product, Oxy-powder, for my IBS. It's made a world of difference, thank

> goodness, apart from feeling a little lighter all around! LOL

>

> Blessings, n

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judith,

>>>Do you think IBS contributes to the gallbladder problems? or is it the

other way around, perhaps?<<<

Well, I'm not a medical person, so I can't truly comment in depth on what

causes what, though someone else here may be able to enlighten you further on

this. For myself, I suspect that it's a question of, " Which came first, the

chicken or egg? " I reckon IBS (more specifically constipation) certainly backs

up

your system and slows things down, creating a back-up effect of sluggishness in

the gall bladder. Though, if your liver and gall bladder aren't functioning

at top performance, then this would also cause a reduction of the bile flow to

lubricate things lower down.

I'm in my mid 40s, now, and I believe that perimenopausal estrogen dominance

is the source of my own difficulties with both my IBS and the formation of

gall bladder stones in combination with a genetic predisposition (both Mum and

sister have stones). The Five Fs for gall bladder problems (Female, in my

Forties and Fertile - hormonal imbalances at midlife - as well as " Fat " ...in

that

I've been overweight from pregnancies and have yo-yoed with weight gains and

losses since then and I'm also Fair of skin and hair). IBS is a known

perimenopasal complication of progesterone depletion at this stage of life.

Although, I

can't pinpoint what came first...the IBS or GB probs, what I do know, from my

own experience of flushing, is that I no longer have debilitating pms, bloating

and fewer migraines. So, I put that down to either a fatty or sluggish liver

that just wasn't breaking down the excess estrogens, which in turn caused a

sluggish GB, creating stones.

As far as flushing goes, in general, the medical community is pretty

resistant to this natural remedy, but " the proof of the pudding is really in the

eating " . Results will be different for each individual, because we are all so

unique. For some, it may be totally life-changing, as it has been for me...for

others, there may be less dramatic results, or none at all. Though, I have to

say,

that I'd much rather use epsom salts than painkillers (which in the long term

cause harm to the body) any day for a GB attack. ))

>>>A person has 5 to 20 pounds of 'crud'??? Oxy-powder helps you with your

IBS, how if you don't mind answering?<<<

Well, probably the ideal place to read up on its action is the Global Healing

website, itself. Here's the URL of all the FAQs.

http://www.oxypowder.com/oxypowder/

It's made of ozonated magnesium, citrate and Germanium -132. The site above

explains everything in quite a bit of detail (just follow the info links), but

it is the magnesium that actually seems to be the ingredient that enables the

colon cleansing. I have used another product, called " Natural Calm " , which is

essentially magnesium citrate. You use this in tea form, mixing it with hot

water. It has a very similar effect to the Oxy-powder, causing liquidy, loosened

stools. I just prefer the Oxy-powder now, because it's prepared in capsule

ozonated form and also contains the Germanium-132 (which has a multitude of

healthy side-benefits).

Another great website to check out is the Chang website, which others

have used here. I intend on also having a go with her Chinese Bitters and Gold

Coin Grass. Her protocol is all outlined here:

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/gallbladder.html

Hope this helps a bit, Judith, and all this isn't too overwhelming. I know I

felt a bit like that to begin with. If you can just decide on a flush protocol

that resonates with you, then stick with that, it won't get too

mind-boggling. All the best for your first flush. Please let us know how it all

goes and

I'll keep you in my thoughts for that.

Blessings, n