Re: Can someone help me here?

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In a message dated 6/12/2004 6:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,

frinh@... writes:

> Firstly I'm not a chemist, I'm a mathematician so

> maybe I'm misunderstanding something here.

Hi Tina,

I'm not a chemist either, so some clarity on types of magnesium would be very

helpful - the " ides " and the " ates " of it all. I'm with you, Tina, and would

like to know more about the different kinds of magnesium and their affects on

the body.

On a quick search, I discovered that magnesium oxides taken orally are not

actually absorbed well by the body, but do cause loose stools. In other words,

the aim of oxy-powder is to primarily cleanse the intestinal tract - not a

dietary supplement, as such. Mind you, epsom salts also causes loose stools and

ends in " ate " (magnesium sulphate) - ie. not in oxidized form. I've also used a

product called, " Natural Calm " (taken as a tea), which is magnesium citrate

and also causes loose stools. So, it would 'seem' that all forms of magnesium,

taken in certain quantities, will cause some loosening of stools.

The article from Dr Mercola's site is interesting, because the child that

died did not take magnesium oxide orally - it was actually administered directly

into the bloodstream, intravenously. There's quite a difference in how it

would affect the body, I'm sure. Why it would cause heart failure is also

something that Mercola seems to strongly question, perhaps because intravenous

magnesium (not sure what kind) is actually used on a regular basis in hospitals

to

prevent further heart attacks in patients who have suffered infarction? However,

another website I found said, " Hypermagnesemia can cause hypotension and

heart block " , so too much magnesium (intravenously) can also have pretty ill

effects. So, maybe more odd that Mercola would question this?

The type of magnesium in Oxy-powder and any similar product, like Homozone,

or Colozone, is actually " ozonated " . Is that the same as an " oxide " ? My

understanding is that the magnesium in this product is more a transporter of the

ozone, which causes a chemical reaction to take place that improves oxygen

absorption in the intestinal tract while dislodging old fecal matter. This

provides

an environment that would be hostile to bad types of bacteria, which prefer

anaerobic conditions.

That's about as much as I know. If anyone else has any insight on this, it

would be greatly appreciated...any dietitians here who can help out?

Perhaps it's the same ol' same ol'... " all things in moderation " and " too

much " of any good thing can be bad?

Blessings, n

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I'm not a chemist either But for my degrees I had to take a good

bit of chemistry...lets see what I can pull up here.

>

> On a quick search, I discovered that magnesium oxides taken orally

are not

> actually absorbed well by the body, but do cause loose stools. In

other words,

> the aim of oxy-powder is to primarily cleanse the intestinal tract -

not a

> dietary supplement, as such. Mind you, epsom salts also causes

loose stools and

> ends in " ate " (magnesium sulphate) - ie. not in oxidized form.

ok the suffix " -ate " does indicate the presence of oxygen. The

chemical formula for epsom salt is MgSO4 and it is the Sulphur that

is oxidized here, not the magnesium. (Magnesium oxide is simply MgO)

According to the MSDS, when heated to dryness (epsom salts actually

contain 7 molecules of water for each molecule of MgSo4) it can give

off hazardous sulphur oxides which are big environmental pollutants.

It is my understanding that the laxative effect of epsom salts are

due to a huge increase of water in the bowels, which are then flushed

out. I don't know if the magnesium is responsible for that or not.

As an interesting side note, while searching for the chemical

structure of epsom salts i came across an Ibiza tourist site which

talks about flotation tanks and describes epsom salts as " searching

for their missing carbon " which therefore pulls carbon-based

pollutants out of your body. This just makes me want to see the

structure diagram more so i can shoot this down

> The type of magnesium in Oxy-powder and any similar product, like

Homozone,

> or Colozone, is actually " ozonated " . Is that the same as

an " oxide " ? My

> understanding is that the magnesium in this product is more a

transporter of the

> ozone, which causes a chemical reaction to take place that improves

oxygen

> absorption in the intestinal tract while dislodging old fecal

matter. This provides

> an environment that would be hostile to bad types of bacteria,

which prefer

> anaerobic conditions.

Ok ozone. Ozone has a formula of O3, which is very unstable since

the bonding electrons are quite happy as O2. O3 breaks down rapidly

into O2, making it one of the strongest oxidizers available. (thank

GEwater.com for that explanation) So yes, ozonated is the same is

strongly oxidized, but in no way will the magnesium be a transporter

of ozone. Once something is oxidized (a chemical reaction) the whole

molecule is changed and will likely have none of the properties of

its original components.

Ozone is created by energizing 3 O2 molecules to the point where they

become 2 O3 molecules. This is good in our ozone layer, bad in our

atmosphere. It is another strong environmental pollutant. You are

correct with the idea of oxygen pissing off the anaerobic bacteria,

though I really have no idea if this is the way to go about it.

I'm going to get ahold of a periodic table and figure out what's

going on with the MgSO4 molecule...

-elisa