one more thing

[Guest guest]

Penni,

She is probably talking of the new cohesive gel implants. They have a real textured shell, filled with silicone. They cut these implants in half and they don't leak?????? NOT!!! They also claim that you must go for a yearly sonogram. We all know what those show, yes nothing?? I had a MRI done on my breast 5 days before removal. It said, we see specks??? What is a speck, come on they wanted to nothing for it. These Gummy Bear implants is just another name for silicone implants, to sucker women into getting them. If the name was Dow, women would run. These silicone cohesive gel or gummy bears do leak they just have a more gummy and slow leak. It usually leaks and stays close to the implant they claim. Do you believe them after Dow and Saline is "safe" I know the answer already and that is a positive NO. Does this still stop the risk of MOLD, INFECTION AND BACTERIA. NO I think no implant is safe, at least your neighbor if she does get sick might be warned earlier than most, since she knows you. I felt one of these implants I could have gotten them since I had Saline. They remind me of a textured implant and we all know how the body breaks them down. These are the ones that had a oily substance come off of them so they had to redo them to be approved by FDA. We all know the scam of the century and that is all breast implants. I feel for your neighbor and worry for her health.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Interesting. I have NEVER been asked, even when sending urine or saliva

tests through the mail.

Kenda

> They ALWAYS ask. They are required to ask since 911 and since Anthrax and

> they do.

> Sherry

>

> Re: Re: one more thing

>>>

>>> 14 years ago these companies tried to block shipment to Dr. Blais,

>>> there is absolutely no reason now why they cannot be shipped, the

>>> problem is that Dr. Blais is overloaded and just cannot get them done

>>> these days. Women are reporting that they cannot get their reports

>>> for a very long time.

>>>

>>> You don't have to ever tell FedEx or anyone else what is in a packet,

>>> so there is absolutely no excuse for them to not be able to be shipped.

>>>

>>> Lynda

>>>

>>> At 10:47 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote:

>>>

>>>> ,

>>>>

>>>> Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

>>>> account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship her

>>>> implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship them

>>>> wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

>>>>

>>>> You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's office.

>>>>

>>>> Rogene

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>>> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>

>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>>> a

>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>

>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>> <http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly

>>> .com/action/

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Why are they jumping through hoops for other stuff, like auto immune, aids, etc. The implant thing has been dismissed? I don't understand that for sure?

Donna

[Guest guest]

BTW, since there was no conspiracy, what were the plastic surgeons

doing in Las Vegas meeting in the early 90's trying to figure out

just what to tell all the women who complained about their implants????

I have had several plastic surgeons tell me just what this meeting

was about, a conspiracy to shut up the complaints and the press about implants.

Lynda

At 07:34 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>What proof do you have that there was no " conspiracy theory whereby

>physicians tried to block the investigation " ?

>

>Kenda

>

> > They ARE, by definition, hazardous waste products as are a greaty

> many items

> > from the operating room! There was NO conspiracy whereby physicians " tried

> > to block the investigation " in the way that you describe.

> > Sherry

> >

> > Re: Re: one more thing

> >>

> >>> ,

> >>>

> >>> Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

> >>> account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship her

> >>> implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship them

> >>> wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> >>>

> >>> You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's office.

> >>>

> >>> Rogene

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >>> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >>> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>>

> >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> >>> you.

> >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> >>> live

> >>> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >>> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>

> >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >>>

> >>

>

<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/>http://.shutterfly.

> >> com/action/

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Then there was the DOW hotline . . . telling women

that implants were safe too!

Their animal experiments said otherwise!

Rogene

--- Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

> BTW, since there was no conspiracy, what were the

> plastic surgeons

> doing in Las Vegas meeting in the early 90's trying

> to figure out

> just what to tell all the women who complained about

> their implants????

>

> I have had several plastic surgeons tell me just

> what this meeting

> was about, a conspiracy to shut up the complaints

> and the press about implants.

>

> Lynda

>

>

> At 07:34 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>

> >What proof do you have that there was no

> " conspiracy theory whereby

> >physicians tried to block the investigation " ?

> >

> >Kenda

> >

> > > They ARE, by definition, hazardous waste

> products as are a greaty

> > many items

> > > from the operating room! There was NO conspiracy

> whereby physicians " tried

> > > to block the investigation " in the way that you

> describe.

> > > Sherry

> > >

> > > Re: Re: one more thing

> > >>

> > >>> ,

> > >>>

> > >>> Hopefully someone can jump in with a first

> hand

> > >>> account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship

> her

> > >>> implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship

> them

> > >>> wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> > >>>

> > >>> You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's

> office.

> > >>>

> > >>> Rogene

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>>

> > >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

> place of advice given by

> > >>> licensed health care professionals. Consult

> your physician or licensed

> > >>> health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> > >>>

> > >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or

> the politicians mislead

> > >>> you.

> > >>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to

> > >>> live

> > >>> a happy life and how to work for a better

> world. " - Linus ing,

> > >>> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

> 1963, Peace)

> > >>>

> > >>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for

> access at this link:

> > >>>

> > >>

> >

>

<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/>http://.shutterfly.

> > >> com/action/

> > >>>

> > >>>

[Guest guest]

With package drops, anyone can send anything! . . .

Prepaid!

Rogene

--- _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

> They ALWAYS ask. They are required to ask since 911

> and since Anthrax and

> they do.

> Sherry

>

> Re: Re: one more thing

> >>

> >>14 years ago these companies tried to block

> shipment to Dr. Blais,

> >>there is absolutely no reason now why they cannot

> be shipped, the

> >>problem is that Dr. Blais is overloaded and just

> cannot get them done

> >>these days. Women are reporting that they cannot

> get their reports

> >>for a very long time.

> >>

> >>You don't have to ever tell FedEx or anyone else

> what is in a packet,

> >>so there is absolutely no excuse for them to not

> be able to be shipped.

> >>

> >>Lynda

> >>

> >>At 10:47 PM 6/12/2006, you wrote:

> >>

> >> >,

> >> >

> >> >Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

> >> >account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship

> her

> >> >implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship

> them

> >> >wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> >> >

> >> >You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's

> office.

> >> >

> >> >Rogene

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given by

> >>licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or licensed

> >>health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> >>

> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians mislead you.

> >>Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live

> >>a

> >>happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus ing, two-time

> >>Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>

> >>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for

> access at this link:

>

>><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.c\

om/action/

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

I can understand, from a point of pride and

self-dignity, how you feel.

However, most of our women have suffered grievous

losses because of unethical, or incompetent, doctors.

I'm afraid you need to understand their lose of faith

in the medical establishment!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Good question Kenda,

I encourage all the women who have been mistreated by their doctors

to speak up and educate Sherry. She is obviously in the dark about

all we have suffered at the hands of this profession. As I said, we

have some wonderful doctors, so we are not doctor bashing, we are

speaking up about the mistreatment we have received.

Lynda

At 07:34 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>If you are a physician, why haven't you healed yourself with mainstream

>allopathic medicine? What does allopathic medicine have to offer sick,

>implanted women, besides an explant? Or, do you deny implants make women

>sick because the scientific data says otherwise?

>

>Kenda

>

> > I am not naive. I AM a physician, I have been ill from implants

> and I see it

> > very differently than you see it. I do, however, see The Placebo Effect at

> > play.

> > Sherry

> >

> > Re: Re: one more thing

> >>>

> >>> All this surprises me b/c I just paid to have mine shipped to Dr.

> >>> Blais from Dr. Kolb's office! Knowone said anything to me!

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On 6/12/06, Rogene S

> >>

>

<<mailto:saxony01@...><mailto:saxony01%40><mailto:saxony01%40yaho\

o.com>saxony01@...>

> >> wrote:

> >>>

> >>> ,

> >>>

> >>> It wasn't all Dr. Feng's office . . . Something has

> >>> been going on in regards to shipping implants.

> >>> Supposedly the shippers are refusing to ship them. . .

> >>> I think it's something political. They don't want Dr.

> >>> Blais checking them!

> >>>

> >>> Doesn't make sense because they're well packaged and

> >>> blood is shipped all the time!

> >>>

> >>> Rogene

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>

> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> >> a

> >> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> >> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>

> >> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >>

>

<<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/>http://.shutterfly.

> >> com/action/

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

I try my best to be compassionate and non-judgemental, but for

whatever reason you come across quite combative. Aren't you here

for help just like the rest of us?

Sis

> >>

> >> >,

> >> >

> >> >Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

> >> >account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship her

> >> >implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship them

> >> >wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> >> >

> >> >You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's office.

> >> >

> >> >Rogene

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> >>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> >>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >>

> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> >>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live

> >>a

> >>happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> >>Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>

> >>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

>><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.s

hutterfly.com/action/

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

There is no doctor leaving me for dead at all.

Re: Re: one more thing

Rogene,

I agree with that too. Sherry when you get your implants out and find. MOLD toxins and silicone in your lymph nodes, then we all realized how most doctors left us for dead. Then you lose respect it is only natural for us since we all remained sick as they said, oh no nothing wrong with the implants, there safe. It's total let down.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Great! What is you treatment protocol that is working so well?

Kenda

> There is no doctor leaving me for dead at all.

> Re: Re: one more thing

>

>

> Rogene,

>

> I agree with that too. Sherry when you get your implants out and find. MOLD

> toxins and silicone in your lymph nodes, then we all realized how most doctors

> left us for dead. Then you lose respect it is only natural for us since we

> all remained sick as they said, oh no nothing wrong with the implants, there

> safe. It's total let down.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

You have stated several times that you are a physician. As such, I would

expect that you have the highest level of allopathic care available to you.

Please educate all of us about the treatments you have been using and how

successful they have been to you. I would assume that the natural methods

most use here aren't treatment options that you would consider as they don't

have the medical proof you require. Since this is a support group, how

about offering the medical treatments that do work to help implanted or

explanted women? Details, please.

Kenda

>>> I am not naive. I AM a physician, I have been ill from implants

>> and I see it

>>> very differently than you see it. I do, however, see The Placebo Effect at

>>> play.

>>> Sherry

>>>

>>> Re: Re: one more thing

>>>>>

>>>>> All this surprises me b/c I just paid to have mine shipped to Dr.

>>>>> Blais from Dr. Kolb's office! Knowone said anything to me!

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> On 6/12/06, Rogene S

>>>>

>> <<mailto:saxony01@...><mailto:saxony01%40><mailto:saxony01%40y

>> ahoo.com>saxony01@...>

>>>> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>> ,

>>>>>

>>>>> It wasn't all Dr. Feng's office . . . Something has

>>>>> been going on in regards to shipping implants.

>>>>> Supposedly the shippers are refusing to ship them. . .

>>>>> I think it's something political. They don't want Dr.

>>>>> Blais checking them!

>>>>>

>>>>> Doesn't make sense because they're well packaged and

>>>>> blood is shipped all the time!

>>>>>

>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>>>> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>>>> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>>>>

>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>>>> a

>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>>>>

>>>> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>>>>

>> <<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly

>> .com/action/>http://.shutterfly.

>>>> com/action/

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

Someone will have to confirm this . . . but as I

understand it, you ship the implants to him . . . When

he gets to your implants, he'll contact you and tell

you how much it costs for different levels of reports

.. . . I don't remember figures well, but I'm thinking

the cost starts at about $250 (American) and goes up.

Personally, all I see that you stand to gain by

sending them to him is the satisfaction of knowing

there were organisms growing in your implants and

capsules - and probably that the implants were

defective. If there's a chance of a law suit, this is

important. Since you're not concerned about using the

report for insurance coverage that's not an issue.

However, by the time you get the report, you should be

getting whatever organisms that remain under control

so that information won't have much bearing anymore.

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Sunny <wellnessnow@...> wrote:

> ---Rogene, this is a concern to me as I'm having my

> surgery soon and

> want to send them away to Dr. Blais. Do you know

> how much it costs

> to have them analyzed?

>

> Love & Healing,

>

> Sunny

>

> In , Rogene S

> <saxony01@...> wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

> > account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship her

> > implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship

> them

> > wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> >

> > You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's

> office.

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Present yourself calmly and reasonably to any qualified physician and provide a factual description of your symptoms minus the grandiose conclusions and accusations and you will be well received, taken seriously and well cared for. Your physician will carefully consider the possibility that it is indeed your implants causing you to be ill IF you present yourself REASONABLY. I regret it but so much of the wording on this list has not been reasonable because it's been stated as fact based not upon any studies but based upon what could be perceived as coincidence. It's not helpful for a menopausal woman to attribute symptoms to her implants that are symptoms also commonly associated with menopause.... if, instead, she presents herself coherently and not dramatically (I have gained weight, am hypothyroid, etc etc etc and I know these symptoms are commonly seen in women my age but, on the other hand, the coincide with my mammogram and I wonder whether my implant may have ruptured and released some moldy or fungal material into my bloodstream, accounting for the severe fatigue that I did not have before that mammogram?") THIS sort of conversation will be taken seriously.

On the other hand, tell him/ her you were left for dead, are infected, have a zillion symptoms all of which you definitively 'know' are caused by your implants based upon the fact that your friends have these "exact same things" and you'll be dismissed and encouraged to try anti-depressants and anti-anxiety preparations.

I intend fully to STOP responding. There is a gang mentality that has concluded that I am uninformed, judgmental and combative as well as unsympathetic and unsupportive. I am unable to convince anyone that this is surely not the case because, to do so, the expectation is that I speak in the same vein as others here. I won't do that but I suspect there will come a time when you may realize that my advice is entirely in your benefit and in the benefit of the cause of getting the medical community to focus upon the inherent dangers that APPEAR (a word heard well in medicine and one that you should adapt) to be associated with breast implants.

Sherry

Re: Re: one more thing

Rogene,

I agree with that too. Sherry when you get your implants out and find. MOLD toxins and silicone in your lymph nodes, then we all realized how most doctors left us for dead. Then you lose respect it is only natural for us since we all remained sick as they said, oh no nothing wrong with the implants, there safe. It's total let down.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

Breast implants have been on the market for over

fourty years . . . Women and their children have

claimed that implants have made them sick from the

start! . . .

Why hasn't anyone been interested in studying the

women and children WHO ARE SICK in all these years? If

they wanted to prove that implants are safe, one would

think that this would be top priority! . . .

I'm afraid that by the time implanted women lose their

jobs, insurance and savings - as well as their ability

to think straight, they're not a very lucrative market

for anyone!

I'm afraid that I can't feel sorry for doctors whose

speciality goes out of vogue . . . This happens to

everyone these days! . . . The middle class is being

severely impacted with so many jobs being outsourced

overseas! We all have to adjust or sink!

You have to admit, it helps to have money and an

education to make the adjustment with though!

Rogene

--- _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

> Being sick from implants does not translate into

> believing that the

> physicians of this world are conspiring to cause us

> harm. There is a mob

> mentality that takes over and it serves no one. It

> doesn't serve those who

> get caught up in believing it and it surely doesn't

> help the cause of

> bringing attention to the need for further

> investigation into the safety of

> implanting women.

>

> The prison statement is simply a statement of facts

> in response to a

> careless and irresponsible statement whereby the

> suggestion was made to

> deceive FedEx regarding the contents of packaging,

> an act that is criminal.

>

> None of you realize that there is not one specialty

> in medicine whereby the

> main bread-and-butter has not vanished as a result

> of improvements or new

> solutions. Every physician experiences this and

> there is just no conspiracy

> whereby physicians are motivated by greed to deceive

> and harm the

> population. General surgeons paid their mortgages

> and kids' educations

> solely due to the surgical remedy for benign ulcer

> disease. This surgery was

> the surgeon's bread-and-butter and, without it, his/

> her income diminished

> radically. In the second half of the 1970s, the drug

> Prilosec entered the

> market and immediately became the only ethical

> treatment for ulcers. Now,

> the general surgeons would be committing malpractice

> if they performed the

> surgical procedure they'd lived on as a treatment

> for ulcers. They survived

> and they didn't do anything to conspire to rid the

> population of Prilosec.

> For urologists, they paid their bills as a result of

> the procedure of

> surgically removing the prostate. This procedure was

> replaced by something

> non-invasive and much better.... urologists didn't

> conspire to harm their

> patients. There are examples for EVERY specialty and

> there have been no

> conspiracies. Things change in health care all the

> time and there's no

> underground conspiring to keep the status quo.

> Physicians are influenced by

> their peers and by their literature and that's the

> way it is and until those

> areas support the contentions of those on this email

> list, surgeons will,

> for the most part, believe what they are taught.

> This is not, by nature, a

> group of people who are rebellious or pioneering.

> That doesn't, however,

> mean their are black helicopters whirling overhead.

> When people on this list

> speak that way, it very much harms credibility as

> well as categorizes

> impanted women as unstable neurotics. That's just

> the way it is in the world

> and NOT a matter of my opinion.

> Sherry

>

>

>

> Re: one more thing

>

>

> > Sherry,

> > I really do appreciate the knowledge you bring to

> this forum.

> > However, I continue to be stumped in how you word

> some of your

> > posts. I thought we had already addressed the fact

> that this forum

> > is for those of us who are sick from implants and

> our comments about

> > physicians reflect the personal feelings and

> personal experiences of

> > those that post. They....We... are entitled to

> those feelings and

> > entitled to be able to voice them without the

> " hand slap " and

> > ridicule from you. You may not be aware that this

> is how " it comes

> > across " but for one that has no real issue with

> the doctors at this

> > time...it is how it comes across to me.

> >

> > I know of no other way to say this. I suppose...I

> simply do not

> > understand your position on things considering how

> sick you are

> > yourself.

> >

> > You too are entitled to express your feelings and

> opinions but

> > don't you think we have been round and round

> " about the doctor "

> > issue enough???? I mean it is almost as if you lay

> " in wait " so that

> > you can put a " zinger " out there...like with this

> prison comment.

> > Do you really think that was helpful? And please

> don't tell me you

> > were trying to let everyone know what " the law

> is " . I think most of

> > us are aware of shipping requirements for

> biological material or bio

> > hazards.

> >

> > I am sorry you are sick. What are your plans to

> get better?

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >> >,

> >> >

> >> >Hopefully someone can jump in with a first hand

> >> >account. . . One of our ladies wanted to ship

> her

> >> >implants to Dr. Blais, but the people who ship

> them

> >> >wouldn't allow it. FedEx? USPS? I don't know.

> >> >

> >> >You might find out more by calling Dr. Feng's

> office.

> >> >

> >> >Rogene

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

> place of advice given

> > by

> >> licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or

> > licensed

> >> health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> >>

> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > mislead you.

>

=== message truncated ===

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

Have you even listened to these women. You can be totally

reasonable, describe everything factually, and they will say it is

all in your head when you mention implants. Been there, done

that. You are simply not listening to us.

I had some doctors (neurologists, oncologist, family practice,

rheumatologists) who actually told me that they believed me. Then

there were the others, plastic surgeons, general surgeons, etc. who

told me that it had to be something else and went searching their

denial list for some reason other than the implants.

You are NOT listening. Open your ears and heart and your closed mind.

Lynda

At 09:13 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>Present yourself calmly and reasonably to any qualified physician

>and provide a factual description of your symptoms minus the

>grandiose conclusions and accusations and you will be well received,

>taken seriously and well cared for. Your physician will carefully

>consider the possibility that it is indeed your implants causing you

>to be ill IF you present yourself REASONABLY. I regret it but so

>much of the wording on this list has not been reasonable because

>it's been stated as fact based not upon any studies but based upon

>what could be perceived as coincidence. It's not helpful for a

>menopausal woman to attribute symptoms to her implants that are

>symptoms also commonly associated with menopause.... if, instead,

>she presents herself coherently and not dramatically (I have gained

>weight, am hypothyroid, etc etc etc and I know these symptoms are

>commonly seen in women my age but, on the other hand, the coincide

>with my mammogram and I wonder whether my implant may have ruptured

>and released some moldy or fungal material into my bloodstream,

>accounting for the severe fatigue that I did not have before that

>mammogram? " ) THIS sort of conversation will be taken seriously.

>

>On the other hand, tell him/ her you were left for dead, are

>infected, have a zillion symptoms all of which you definitively

>'know' are caused by your implants based upon the fact that your

>friends have these " exact same things " and you'll be dismissed and

>encouraged to try anti-depressants and anti-anxiety preparations.

>

>I intend fully to STOP responding. There is a gang mentality that

>has concluded that I am uninformed, judgmental and combative as well

>as unsympathetic and unsupportive. I am unable to convince anyone

>that this is surely not the case because, to do so, the expectation

>is that I speak in the same vein as others here. I won't do that but

>I suspect there will come a time when you may realize that my advice

>is entirely in your benefit and in the benefit of the cause of

>getting the medical community to focus upon the inherent dangers

>that APPEAR (a word heard well in medicine and one that you should

>adapt) to be associated with breast implants.

> Sherry

> Re: Re: one more thing

>

>Rogene,

>

>I agree with that too. Sherry when you get your implants out and

>find. MOLD toxins and silicone in your lymph nodes, then we all

>realized how most doctors left us for dead. Then you lose respect

>it is only natural for us since we all remained sick as they said,

>oh no nothing wrong with the implants, there safe. It's total let down.

>

>Donna

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please don't leave before answering questions that were posed to you.

Kenda

> Present yourself calmly and reasonably to any qualified physician and provide

> a factual description of your symptoms minus the grandiose conclusions and

> accusations and you will be well received, taken seriously and well cared for.

> Your physician will carefully consider the possibility that it is indeed your

> implants causing you to be ill IF you present yourself REASONABLY. I regret it

> but so much of the wording on this list has not been reasonable because it's

> been stated as fact based not upon any studies but based upon what could be

> perceived as coincidence. It's not helpful for a menopausal woman to attribute

> symptoms to her implants that are symptoms also commonly associated with

> menopause.... if, instead, she presents herself coherently and not

> dramatically (I have gained weight, am hypothyroid, etc etc etc and I know

> these symptoms are commonly seen in women my age but, on the other hand, the

> coincide with my mammogram and I wonder whether my implant may have ruptured

> and released some moldy or fungal material into my bloodstream, accounting for

> the severe fatigue that I did not have before that mammogram? " ) THIS sort of

> conversation will be taken seriously.

>

> On the other hand, tell him/ her you were left for dead, are infected, have a

> zillion symptoms all of which you definitively 'know' are caused by your

> implants based upon the fact that your friends have these " exact same things "

> and you'll be dismissed and encouraged to try anti-depressants and

> anti-anxiety preparations.

>

> I intend fully to STOP responding. There is a gang mentality that has

> concluded that I am uninformed, judgmental and combative as well as

> unsympathetic and unsupportive. I am unable to convince anyone that this is

> surely not the case because, to do so, the expectation is that I speak in the

> same vein as others here. I won't do that but I suspect there will come a time

> when you may realize that my advice is entirely in your benefit and in the

> benefit of the cause of getting the medical community to focus upon the

> inherent dangers that APPEAR (a word heard well in medicine and one that you

> should adapt) to be associated with breast implants.

> Sherry

> Re: Re: one more thing

>

>

> Rogene,

>

> I agree with that too. Sherry when you get your implants out and find. MOLD

> toxins and silicone in your lymph nodes, then we all realized how most doctors

> left us for dead. Then you lose respect it is only natural for us since we

> all remained sick as they said, oh no nothing wrong with the implants, there

> safe. It's total let down.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

I presented my symptoms calmly to my doctors for

almost sixteen YEARS before I made any association

with breast implants. I never kept my breast implants

a secret from my doctors. When they did a biopsy and

found scleroderma they wouldn't tell me what I had . .

.. His brother, an ear specialist, tested me when I

lost the hearing in one ear - gave me the wrong dx -

and when I disagreed, sent me to another specialist to

agree with HIM. It wasn't until I broke the chain of

medical records that I got a straight response.

I had multiple rounds of steroids, antibiotics pain

killers, years of antihistamines and

anti-inflammatories - but never was offered a reason

why I was so sick. While I was working, I really

couldn't function . . . Never was it suggested that I

take a leave. My brain was so scrambled I had no idea

how sick I was! AFTER my implants were removed, I was

told that I NO LONGER had hepatitis! . . . They never

told me I had it in the first place. . . and I was

still donating blood!

NEVER did they offer anything other than more

medications - Which, in turn, caused their own

problems. When I did get explanted and got better, I

was met with a very rude, angry, response from my

primary care doctor when I mentioned my implants

possibly causing my problems. . . Come to find out his

wife had implants - had two children after being

implanted. I warned him that, should his wife ever

suspect a rupture, she must have them removed

immediately. . . The look on his face showed that he

got the message!

I changed doctors . . . My husband continued with him.

A few years later, I got the distinct impression he

wanted to talk to me. He sent a grocery-sized bag of a

sample prescription he had me on home with my hubby.

I didn't respond. . . I figure he could figure it out

for himself - just like I had to.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

--- Donna, I LOVE your spunk!! Keep on keeping on...you're full of

passion for the truth!

Love ya,

Sunny

In , BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> Sherry,

>

> Come on there has been plenty of good PS like Dr. Kolb, Dr. Feng,

Dr. Melmed,

> Dr. Blias, who has told them these devices are making us sick. DO

YOU GET

> WARNED!!!!!!!!

>

>

> NOT

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

I have treated the disorders and not the underlying etiology because I'd not

consider my implants as being causative until last month. So, three years

after implants, I developed trigeminal neuralgia (not surprising. My father

had a tenosynovitis in each finger; I had it in one finger - not unusual for

surgeons - he and I both are - and neurological issues seem to run in my

family: my mother had carpal tunnel and migraines, father had the

tenosynovitis and herniated disk and I had surgery for a herniated disk in

1985 the symptoms having started years prior to my implants as I studied

ballet most of my life). I have been taking anti-inflammatories ever since

and, twice developed gastric complications from the high dosages so had an

endoscopy for definitive diagnosis and prophylactic meds since (Nexium). In

1980, I was asymptomatic when accidentally found to be hypothyroid and,

subsequently, have been taking Armour thyroid and Cytomel ever since and

been tested to insure proper dosage accordingly ever since. In 1994, I

developed a severe case of infectious mononucleosis that coincided with four

years of having worked 21/7 without exception. After two weeks of exhaustion

and sleep, the moment I opened my eyes, I resumed the same schedule, not a

wise method for re-entry after adult-onset mono. One year later, shortly

after having been defrauded of every cent I owned and left resultantly with

a $16 million IRS debt, I was suddenly homeless. Soon, I developed a system

itchy skin rash for which I sought treatment from internists,

endocrinologists, infectious disease specialists, hematologists and

dermatologists. Most tried exhaustively to find the cause of what was my

most uncomfortable symptom but nothing resulted in diagnostic findings or

relief. Along with the stress of the crime and one year subsequent to the

mono, I appeared to have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (sot unexpected following

almost 30 years of a constant heavy workload), tested positively for Epstein

Barr (most people do), arthritic thumbs (present in one out of every four

women after 40). The ant-inflammatories that I take for my trigeminal

neuralgia is the same appropriate analgesia for my thumbs.

In truth, it's quite shocking that my health is so good. The mono did not

damage my liver and that's surprising. In 2004, my foot was trapped in a

sinkhole and my foot was amputated and leg severely fractured. I have no

visible disability havinbg had successful surgery that reattached my foot

and put my leg together with internal fixation. My healing was prompt and

one year in a wheelchair and one year of devoted intense physical therapy

worked well where I healed perfectly, have full motion and developed no

complications from the surgery, immobility or inability to walk for an

entire year and this is surprising given I am 56 years old and theoretically

have ruptured moldy fungal implants. My energy level is superb as compared

with most people (I sleep 3-4 hours/ night) but, for me, my energy level is

awful. I have survived stresses that would have led most people to suicide

according to my attorneys yet I am cheerful, upbeat, fun and always ready to

give anyone the shirt off my back. I take a multivitamin daily, calcium

supplements and mega 3, eat very healthy food, am a size 6 and trying for

five years to lose an excess 20 pounds, go to yoga and Pilates classes

regularly and manage to keep a roof overhead despite all odds.

In late 2007 when the IRS lifts my IRS debt that prohibits me from having

ANY income, I will be explanted.

I hope this answer satisfies your rather sarcastic and almost rude demands.

Sherry

Re: Re: one more thing

>>>>>>

>>>>>> All this surprises me b/c I just paid to have mine shipped to Dr.

>>>>>> Blais from Dr. Kolb's office! Knowone said anything to me!

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> On 6/12/06, Rogene S

>>>>>

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>>>>>> ,

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It wasn't all Dr. Feng's office . . . Something has

>>>>>> been going on in regards to shipping implants.

>>>>>> Supposedly the shippers are refusing to ship them. . .

>>>>>> I think it's something political. They don't want Dr.

>>>>>> Blais checking them!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Doesn't make sense because they're well packaged and

>>>>>> blood is shipped all the time!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Rogene

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

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[Guest guest]

Donna, long before breast implants, plenty of plastic surgeons afforded Ferraris and mansions. There are many physicians who limit their surgery to noses and ears - my father was one. I have a nephew whose cosmetic surgery is exclusively limited to facial reconstructions for newborns with anomalies. Namely, he supports himself well performing nothing but cleft palate and cleft lip repairs and other similar surgeries six months each year while he volunteers at no charge to do the same surgeries in underprivileged countries. No cosmetic surgeon needs breast augmentation in order to maintain a lucrative practice.

Saying "implants kill you" is overly dramatic and will cause physicians to dismiss your thoughts as histrionic. Think what you will but exercise tact in speaking with professionals who take people literally and that's a statement that's exaggerated and excessive.

I really want to repeat that I prefer now to simply excuse myself and respond to no further email. I wish everyone only well and hope to learn as much as I am able during my stay here.

Sherry

Re: Re: one more thing

Lynda,

How many doctor's in those days, hating to see the stuff on the news about implants making women sick. OH most who was going to loose there big fine homes and big cars if the public were warned, maybe they would not get the damn implants if the news tells them. Sherry once again this is common sense. This is totally crazy, but I am getting good support here being able to vent about most doctors. Maybe Sherry you were never told about the cover up, is this why you got implants? It is not fun to be lied to or stuff hid from you. This is like your boyfriend hiding a girlfriend behind your back, then one day you find her in your bed. Oh no much worse that only makes you angry. Implants kill you, so much much worse than that example.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Penni,

I have learned not to beat my head bloody on brick walls or tilt at

windmills. If she has her mind made up, you can give her info., but

she has to be willing to receive it.

Lynda

At 10:41 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>Ladies,

>

>I just spoke to my neighbor across the street. She is getting

>silicone implants put in on the 29th of this month. She said they

>were some kind of safe new silicone implants and I thought (could be

>wrong here) she said that they wouldn't need to be replaced.

>

>We spoke for a while and I told her about my first silicone and than

>saline implants. But whatever PS she is going to seems to have her

>convinced that these new silicone implants are safe. Does anyone

>know what she is talking about? She said she has already put down

>all her money and it is non-refundable. I told her we have spent on

>average $35,000 out of pocket each year since 1996 on my medical expenses.

>

>I walked away feeling very sad:>( A beautiful woman, nice lady etc.

>going in for implants, lift and tummy tuck.

>

>Penni

>

> Re: Re: one more thing

>

>Dr. Melmed was on nation-wide TV talking about the

>dangers of breast implants . . . Newspapers too!

>

>His peers gave him a bad time about it! . . . One told

>him that he was putting implants in his teenage

>daughter!

>

>If they don't know, they don't want to know!

>

>Rogene

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. It's here:

http://www.locateadoc.com/articles.cfm/2131/1351

Sherry

Re: Re: one more thing

Dr. Melmed was on nation-wide TV talking about thedangers of breast implants . . . Newspapers too!His peers gave him a bad time about it! . . . One toldhim that he was putting implants in his teenagedaughter!If they don't know, they don't want to know!Rogene

[Guest guest]

Penni,

Could you copy off some of the information in the

archives for her? Or invite her to read this group?

I think what she's talking about is the cohesive gel

implants. They aren't approved for market, but may be

used in a study . . . i.e. the women are guinea pigs!

Regardless, the silicone is going to gradually

deteriorate and be distributed through the body. How

long will they last? What will happen to the women?. .

.. That's why they're doing the study.

IMHO, it's kinda like playing Russian roulette!

Hopefully she's through having kids!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Sherry has been placed on moderated status. It is just too

disruptive. We need to get back to positive support and helping one another.

Lynda

At 11:05 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote:

>Sherry,

>

>You want scientific Data, get them implants out of you and see for

>yourself how many symptoms you loose after a few weeks or as soon as

>you wake up. I could see the white's of my blood shot eyes. I am

>now starting not to taste those nasty implants, I don't have a right

>side thick tongue, (other doctors claimed I made that symptom happen

>by worrying to much about it) I don't have a rash any longer. I

>don't have thrush, my white tongue turned red again. I am 3 weeks

>post explant, there is your scientific data from me.

>

>Donna

>