Isn't the body meant to heal???

[Guest guest]

I don't understand why doctors always want to surgically remove the

gall bladder. If someone breaks a leg, the bone eventually heals.

The body is meant to heal. Why can't the same hold true for the

gall bladder. I can see having surgery if it is so full of stones

that it may rupture, or if someone's pain is so bad and all other

attempts at a cure have failed. But I think for the most part,

doctors need to help us to heal ourselves. Unfortunately, I doubt

that will ever happen since laparascopic gb surgery has turned into

a multimillion dollar business. I guess they figure that they don't

need to look for another cure since they can just yank it out and

make lots of money.

[Guest guest]

But Will, most people who get their gallbladder out and continue

eating the same find that they still have the same pains and

symptoms as before the surgery. It was hearing this from some of my

friends that convinced me to check out alternative remedies since

the surgical route hadn't helped them. I'm really glad I came here

instead of into surgery!

Luci

--- In gallstones , " Will Winter " <holistic@v...>

wrote:

> This group here is different than the Average American. For the

other 99% of

> America, surgical removal is the PERFECT " treatment " because there

is no

> way in H-E-double hockeysticks that they will change their diet,

exercise

> patterns, or stress levels. Denying them surgery would probably

kill them.

> This is what they want and deserve. Doctors should at least get

credit for

> making a humane version of the surgery available for them. The old

way was

> pretty gruesome.

>

> Unlike a broken leg, an inflammed GB will not heal as long as the

aggravating

> pattern that tore it up remains unchanged. There is a

hot " blowtorch "

> constantly scorching it, as if someone was rebreaking your leg

every day.

>

[Guest guest]

Luci, I think we are saying the same thing, surgical removal is NOT a cure for

a body out-of-balance it merely keeps the person from experiencing GB colic

attacks (sort of) or stone lodging (sort of). Once removed, the bile trickles

into the small intestine 24/7 eventually and commonly giving the poor patient

colon cancer in that spot where it runs in. Nor can they squirt a blast of bile

onto a fatty meal so their absorption of fat-soluble vitamins causes a

degeneration of their entire body. Big bad news.

I feel sorry for people who have had the surgery. I was just saying that most

'Mericans just want the take the easiest route to reducing symptoms and the

path with the least possible lifestyle changes. Several people I know who

have had their GB jerked out were told by their " doctor " that they " can now

eat anything they want " !!!! That is SO SICK.

You were so lucky to be forewarned. It's a tragedy what is passing for

" modern medicine " in our country. These doctors know better too! Talk about

KARMA.

Wanna hear something worse..... When I was in the ICU with pancreatits they

refused to give me Vitamin C and E as I requested--I was far too weak to

throw a fit about it so I lay there for 11 days suffering. Hundreds of

scientific

studies have been done which reflect a SHOCKING 57% REDUCTION in ICU

death rate when these two inexpensive vitamins are given to patients via their

IV rigs. I HATE DOCTORS!!!!!!!!!!!

Will, healing in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

I agree, Will.

Now, about your hospital stay... what did you sign? Are you sure you

didn't give those doctors permission to get life insurance on you

naming THEM as beneficiaries? I hope you never need to go into a

hospital again! I don't think I'd do well if I couldn't have my

vitamin C... and I'm rather fond of vitamin E, too.

Luci

--- In gallstones , " Will Winter " <holistic@v...>

wrote:

>

> Luci, I think we are saying the same thing, surgical removal is

NOT a cure for

> a body out-of-balance it merely keeps the person from experiencing

GB colic

> attacks (sort of) or stone lodging (sort of). Once removed, the

bile trickles

> into the small intestine 24/7 eventually and commonly giving the

poor patient

> colon cancer in that spot where it runs in. Nor can they squirt a

blast of bile

> onto a fatty meal so their absorption of fat-soluble vitamins

causes a

> degeneration of their entire body. Big bad news.

>

> I feel sorry for people who have had the surgery. I was just

saying that most

> 'Mericans just want the take the easiest route to reducing

symptoms and the

> path with the least possible lifestyle changes. Several people I

know who

> have had their GB jerked out were told by their " doctor " that

they " can now

> eat anything they want " !!!! That is SO SICK.

>

> You were so lucky to be forewarned. It's a tragedy what is passing

for

> " modern medicine " in our country. These doctors know better too!

Talk about

> KARMA.

>

> Wanna hear something worse..... When I was in the ICU with

pancreatits they

> refused to give me Vitamin C and E as I requested--I was far too

weak to

> throw a fit about it so I lay there for 11 days suffering.

Hundreds of scientific

> studies have been done which reflect a SHOCKING 57% REDUCTION in

ICU

> death rate when these two inexpensive vitamins are given to

patients via their

> IV rigs. I HATE DOCTORS!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> Will, healing in Minneapolis

[Guest guest]

Luci, your friends have told you they had the surgery and still have the

problems? Makes me even more sure I don't want to have the surgery. I have

been able to put off the doctors for now but I know they will push harder

for it as time goes by. Scares the bejebbers out of me to even think of it.

Like Will I had a horrendous time in the hospital. I had chills run down me

as they would sling my central IV line around dragging it on the floor. Just

one small example---doctors didn't know why I insisted upon having

antibiotic when leaving the place. They only gave me a very low dosage one.

Within a few day my lymph glands in neck were so swollen that I couldn't

turn my head.

Will, could we possibly have had the same " doctors " ???

Judith

----- Original Message -----

From: " Lucinda " <jlsuther@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 6:12 AM

Subject: Re: Isn't the body meant to heal???

> But Will, most people who get their gallbladder out and continue

> eating the same find that they still have the same pains and

> symptoms as before the surgery. It was hearing this from some of my

> friends that convinced me to check out alternative remedies since

> the surgical route hadn't helped them. I'm really glad I came here

> instead of into surgery!

>

> Luci

>

>

> > This group here is different than the Average American. For the

> other 99% of

> > America, surgical removal is the PERFECT " treatment " because there

> is no

> > way in H-E-double hockeysticks that they will change their diet,

> exercise

> > patterns, or stress levels. Denying them surgery would probably

> kill them.

> > This is what they want and deserve. Doctors should at least get

> credit for

> > making a humane version of the surgery available for them. The old

> way was

> > pretty gruesome.

> >

> > Unlike a broken leg, an inflammed GB will not heal as long as the

> aggravating

> > pattern that tore it up remains unchanged. There is a

> hot " blowtorch "

> > constantly scorching it, as if someone was rebreaking your leg

> every day.

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Judith, you are out of the hospital now and those doctors are unable to wield

they scapels on you ever again unless you give the go-ahead. It's a fear you

don't need to carry.

I know plenty of people, frankly almost everyone who's had surgery, who

have plenty of dietary limitations following cholecystectomy. They cover it up

because it's so hard to admit but the colic, indigestion and occasional upset

remain. They eat according to what will " medicate " their limitations.

Of course, a whole host of these people had OTHER PROBLEMS ongoing as

well such as GERD, pyloric spasm, low hydrochloric acid, colitis, spastic

colon, and much else. The surgery didn't help that, perhaps made it worse.

Those are the people going onto all the drugs now. More surgery will follow. I

feel so sorry for them. If only the they could have gotten the word.

Will

[Guest guest]

hi Will & Judith,

i had my gb out because i didn't know any better - they told me i had a

blockage in one of the ducts, so i needed emerg surg. about 2 wks after the

surgery, all the same pain was back (on the right side moving around to the

back). within a few months, i had left sided pain which also spread to the

back. i lost 50lbs in a little over 2 wks - i was not able to keep any food

down, not even water.

i had surgery again, this time an ercp with sphincterotomy - they cut the

sphincter (sphincter of oddi - it is the opening from the pancreatic/bile

ducts into the duodenum) with the reasoning that mine is spasming shut, and

by cutting it, it wouldn't be able to totally close. i have since had the

surgery 3 more times, had a stent put in, only to have it taken out a week

later and have pancreatitis.

my stomach problem is gastorparesis - it's where the nerves to the stomach

are dead and cannot tell the stomach's grinding muscles to grind the food

and then push it to the duodenum (these nerves can get damaged from routine

abdominal surgery - like gb) - so after a while of the food sitting there,

it goes bad/sour/etc, and i throw up (naturally those muscles/nerves are

fine!). i also have sphincter of oddi dysfunction - the sphincter spasms

shut - i get green stools (from too much bile being absorbed by the body

cause it can't get out thru the sphincter {since it's spasmed shut}),

vomiting bile, elevated liver/pancreatic enzymes, high/low blood sugar

(depending on whether the insulin can't get out, or suddenly the sphincter

opens flooding my system with insulin, etc...

needless to say - no more elective surgeries for any of these problems.

if i had known these were the risks to gb surgery, i would have opted for an

emerg laser blast to the stone causing the blockage - i will never get an

organ removed again (unless it's ABSOLUTELY necessary, like gangrene of the

organ!).

there's a reason we were born with all these organs, and messing around with

the body by removing them can set off a chain of events that cannot be

undone.

i live with the same gb pain & problems as before - only 10 times worse, and

now i'm also an involuntary bulemic. i can't change what happened, but i do

try to live as comfortable as possible without meds, and treat myself with

alternative/naturopathic/homeopathic methods. they work so much better and

don't have the side effects.

good luck judith.

cathie

From: " Will Winter " <holistic@...>

Judith, you are out of the hospital now and those doctors are unable to

wield

they scapels on you ever again unless you give the go-ahead. It's a fear you

don't need to carry.

I know plenty of people, frankly almost everyone who's had surgery, who

have plenty of dietary limitations following cholecystectomy. They cover it

up

because it's so hard to admit but the colic, indigestion and occasional

upset

remain. They eat according to what will " medicate " their limitations.

Of course, a whole host of these people had OTHER PROBLEMS ongoing as

well such as GERD, pyloric spasm, low hydrochloric acid, colitis, spastic

colon, and much else. The surgery didn't help that, perhaps made it worse.

Those are the people going onto all the drugs now. More surgery will follow.

I

feel so sorry for them. If only the they could have gotten the word.

Will

[Guest guest]

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, Judith. Yes, my friends were

back in the same kind of pain within five years of their surgeries.

They both had their gallbladders out when they were very young --

early 20's -- which really surprised me, made me wonder if there

were something " wrong with the water " in this area. Maybe there was

just a doctor with kids in college, who knows?

Anyway... don't let the doctors harrass me. I simply don't go near

doctors often enough to scare me like that. I see my chiropractor

if I can hardly walk (LOL) but other than that I try not to see

doctors any more often than about every four years. They can't

pressure you much once every four years... and heck, if I haven't

died from whatever they diagnosed four years ago, I'll bet I can

live with it a while longer!

I'm studying up on Hydrogen Peroxide these days -- tons of

interesting stuff about it online. That, and trying to see what I

should be doing for the cyst the last doctor told me I have on my

ovary (what do you know, I need to get back to using the natural

progesterone cream the last doctor I actually trusted suggested)

simply because I was cramping a bit. I take plenty of other

supplements, but I don't expect any of them to work unless I'm

taking lots of vitamin C to help dissolve and utilize the minerals

and nutrients in my supplements. I've also begun using lots of tea

tree oil to kill off germs and ease pain. I haven't tried rubbing

it in the general area of the gallbladder, but I bet it could help

on a night when I was feeling tender there.

Luci

> Luci, your friends have told you they had the surgery and still

have the

> problems? Makes me even more sure I don't want to have the

surgery. I have

> been able to put off the doctors for now but I know they will push

harder

> for it as time goes by. Scares the bejebbers out of me to even

think of it.

> Like Will I had a horrendous time in the hospital. I had chills

run down me

> as they would sling my central IV line around dragging it on the

floor. Just

> one small example---doctors didn't know why I insisted upon having

> antibiotic when leaving the place. They only gave me a very low

dosage one.

> Within a few day my lymph glands in neck were so swollen that I

couldn't

> turn my head.

>

> Will, could we possibly have had the same " doctors " ???

>

> Judith

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

[snipped]

I'm studying up on Hydrogen Peroxide these days -- tons of

interesting stuff about it online. That, and trying to see what I

should be doing for the cyst the last doctor told me I have on my

ovary (what do you know, I need to get back to using the natural

progesterone cream the last doctor I actually trusted suggested)

simply because I was cramping a bit. I take plenty of other

supplements, but I don't expect any of them to work unless I'm

taking lots of vitamin C to help dissolve and utilize the minerals

and nutrients in my supplements. I've also begun using lots of tea

tree oil to kill off germs and ease pain. I haven't tried rubbing

it in the general area of the gallbladder, but I bet it could help

on a night when I was feeling tender there.

[snipped]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Lucinda;

Have you considered colloidal silver for dealing with the cyst on the overy?

Dale

[Guest guest]

--- In gallstones , " Dale " >

> Lucinda;

>

> Have you considered colloidal silver for dealing with the cyst on

the overy?

>

> Dale

>

No, Dale, I haven't. I don't really know all that much about

colloidal silver, other than that a friend of mine used it for a

while and then developed a severe sensitivity to it and couldn't use

it any more. She said it worked for whatever she was taking it for

at the time, though I've become very vague on the specifics by now

(it was over 5 years ago).

Lucinda

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

developed a severe sensitivity to it and couldn't use

it any more.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm really surprised to hear this. I would love to know just what brand of

colloidal silver she took and whether it was ionic or not or had protein used as

a binder, or whether she made it herself and what process was used to make it.

Then I'd be curious to find out how much she was taking at any given time.

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html

I have had very good success with the use of colloidal silver for various

members of my family, and myself, from fibroid tumors to breast cancer, being

the more extreme of the problems. The protocol also had ozone bagging in the

case of the breast cancer. The fibroid tumor got replaced by a pregnancy that

wasn't supposed to be possible because of the tumor.

Dale