Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Mike, Interesting to read, I will visit it again when I have more time. You list Inositol under vitamins but it is also a lipotropic factor (which you also have a heading for). I pick on this because it is something that has grabbed my attention of late, could you explain the relevance you assign to Lipotropic factors? I have an idea of their properties, but for you to make specific mention of them presumably you too have something in mind. Also, you mention Hg degrades myelin, do you have a proposed mechanism or evidence? Inositol is very much involved in myelin and membrane phospholipids. Jon. [ ] Oral Chelation I seek feedback re my website: http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged for porcelain in 1985. Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards osteoporosis. I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average 6-year- old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Jon: The following site shall provide many answers re HG toxicity and brain function/tremors/degradation of myelin sheath: http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profiles/mercury_f_V1.shtml http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html > Mike, > Interesting to read, I will visit it again when I have more time. You list Inositol under vitamins but it is also a lipotropic factor (which you also have a heading for). I pick on this because it is something that has grabbed my attention of late, could you explain the relevance you assign to Lipotropic factors? I have an idea of their properties, but for you to make specific mention of them presumably you too have something in mind. Also, you mention Hg degrades myelin, do you have a proposed mechanism or evidence? Inositol is very much involved in myelin and membrane phospholipids. > Jon. > [ ] Oral Chelation > > > I seek feedback re my website: > > http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html > > PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am > 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged > for porcelain in 1985. > Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is > displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards > osteoporosis. > I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. > Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. > Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average 6- year- > old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. > I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem > to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin > sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, > Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. > This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + > raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. > I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in > managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2001 Report Share Posted June 8, 2001 Thanks Mike, This should keep me busy for a while. Jon. [ ] Oral Chelation > > > I seek feedback re my website: > > http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html > > PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am > 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged > for porcelain in 1985. > Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is > displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards > osteoporosis. > I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. > Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. > Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average 6- year- > old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. > I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem > to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin > sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, > Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. > This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + > raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. > I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in > managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Mike, The website looks fine - good graphics and very clear, not too busy, as many are. I have some concerns about the " Oral Chelator " that you link to, however. Some of the ingredients of " Oral Chelator " are questionable at best: Chlorella is unable to remove mercury or other heavy metals from the body because it has a lower affinity for mercury (and other heavy metals) than body tissue. It may also be contaminated with mercury, since it binds to mercury in the water it grows in. Chlorella may also be contaminiated with toxic dinoflagellates, which produce some of the most potent toxins in the world. EDTA also has minimal affinity for mercury, but it can remove calcium and magnesium to the point of causing serious problems. Fortunately, it is not significantly absorbed when given orally, so its systemic effects will be nil. Clays can bind mercury and other heavy metals, but their affinity for mercury is less than that of the body tissues. Any ingested mercury or other heavy metals bound to the clay would be taken up by the tissues. I'm afraid that a number of companies and other enterprising individuals are taking advantage of the current interest in heavy metal detoxification to make a a few (thousand) bucks. Their products range from marginally useful to worthless to harmful. Jim Laidler > I seek feedback re my website: > > http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html > > PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am > 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged > for porcelain in 1985. > Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is > displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards > osteoporosis. > I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. > Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. > Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average 6-year- > old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. > I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem > to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin > sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, > Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. > This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + > raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. > I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in > managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2001 Report Share Posted June 9, 2001 Jim: I have forwarded your response to the company President and I await her reply. Since I am an herbal products formulator, I am interested in what OTC and/or natural ingredients that you and anyone else want to see in an oral chelation product line. Respectfully, Mike Menkes, LMT Jim Laidler <laidlerj@...> wrote: Mike, The website looks fine - good graphics and very clear, not too busy, as many are. I have some concerns about the " Oral Chelator " that you link to, however. Some of the ingredients of " Oral Chelator " are questionable at best: Chlorella is unable to remove mercury or other heavy metals from the body because it has a lower affinity for mercury (and other heavy metals) than body tissue. It may also be contaminated with mercury, since it binds to mercury in the water it grows in. Chlorella may also be contaminiated with toxic dinoflagellates, which produce some of the most potent toxins in the world. EDTA also has minimal affinity for mercury, but it can remove calcium and magnesium to the point of causing serious problems. Fortunately, it is not significantly absorbed when given orally, so its systemic effects will be nil. Clays can bind mercury and other heavy metals, but their affinity for mercury is less than that of the body tissues. Any ingested mercury or other heavy metals bound to the clay would be taken up by the tissues. I'm afraid that a number of companies and other enterprising individuals are taking advantage of the current interest in heavy metal detoxification to make a a few (thousand) bucks. Their products range from marginally useful to worthless to harmful. Jim Laidler > I seek feedback re my website: > > http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html > > PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am > 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged > for porcelain in 1985. > Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is > displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards > osteoporosis. > I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. > Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. > Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average 6-year- > old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. > I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem > to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin > sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, > Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. > This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + > raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. > I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in > managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2001 Report Share Posted June 13, 2001 Mike, I'm interested to read about this. I got into somewhat of a tiff with a company selling a product like yours, as I currently believe it is dangerous to take any product which *does* effectively chelate mercury with amalgams in mouth. I therefore am concerned that it is bad practice to advertise chelation products (intended to chelate MERCURY specifically) to the public without serious warnings on the package. I don't assume that your product does or does not chelate mercury: however: if you claim that it does, do you also include a warning not to take it with amalgams in place? regards, Moria At 09:31 AM 6/9/2001 -0700, you wrote: > > Jim: >I have forwarded your response to the company President and I await her reply. >Since I am an herbal products formulator, I am interested in what OTC and/or natural ingredients that you and anyone else want to see in an oral chelation product line. >Respectfully, >Mike Menkes, LMT > Jim Laidler <laidlerj@...> wrote: Mike, > >The website looks fine - good graphics and very clear, not too busy, >as many are. I have some concerns about the " Oral Chelator " that you >link to, however. > >Some of the ingredients of " Oral Chelator " are questionable at best: >Chlorella is unable to remove mercury or other heavy metals from the >body because it has a lower affinity for mercury (and other heavy >metals) than body tissue. It may also be contaminated with mercury, >since it binds to mercury in the water it grows in. Chlorella may also >be contaminiated with toxic dinoflagellates, which produce some of the >most potent toxins in the world. > >EDTA also has minimal affinity for mercury, but it can remove calcium >and magnesium to the point of causing serious problems. Fortunately, >it is not significantly absorbed when given orally, so its systemic >effects will be nil. > >Clays can bind mercury and other heavy metals, but their affinity for >mercury is less than that of the body tissues. Any ingested mercury or >other heavy metals bound to the clay would be taken up by the tissues. > >I'm afraid that a number of companies and other enterprising >individuals are taking advantage of the current interest in heavy >metal detoxification to make a a few (thousand) bucks. Their products >range from marginally useful to worthless to harmful. > >Jim Laidler > > >> I seek feedback re my website: >> >> http://www.geocities.com/mikemenkes/oralchelation.html >> >> PS: My own Mercury levels tested at 2.40 ppm. In other words, I am >> 400% over the acceptable HIGH, and, I have had my amalgams exchanged >> for porcelain in 1985. >> Also, my cal/mag are elevated, indicating that the excess Hg is >> displacing minerals from my bones, and heading me towards >> osteoporosis. >> I am 53 years young, swim, run, work out, well. >> Perhaps the Hg is retained for years in the bones. >> Also, Thimersol is still included in vaccinations. The average >6-year- >> old has had 36 shots of Hg from their smiling pediatrician. >> I have been told by elder educators that each new batch of kids seem >> to be more disoriented. Not surprisingly, Hg degrades the myelin >> sheath around nerve cells, yielding MS-like symptoms, ADD/ADHD, >> Autism, learning disabilities, nd violent behavior. >> This may explain why kids shoot up their school: Neuro-toxicity + >> raging hormones = " kill or be killed " psychoses. >> I wonder if law enforcement is seeing increased difficulties in >> managing increased violence over normally petty circumstances? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Arsenic can come from playground equipment - pressure treated wood has arsenic so decks, playground equipment, etc. would be one place and pine needles have arsenic as well. Mercury - fish, flourescent lights, water. Lead - fish, water, old ceramic glazes may have lead (any antiques laying around). Hope this helps, Kathy in VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 I'm not sure. But I think my daughter's condition was worsened by me being toxic in metals. Alot of people can be toxic and not know it and later pass that on to their children. I actually did know something was wrong with me. We have figured out I was toxic and later Nicollette must have gotten from me and then later from her shots. I assume my daughter didn't have a chance with all that going on with her.. Juli ASD (NVLD is too confusing) mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 whatever u do don't use the dan protocol, its dangerous. there is info in the files section on that. chelation is not the only way to deal with heavy metals toxicity... houstonni enzymes, zinc, non selenite selenium, magnesium and a more broad based supplement regieme (maybe amino acids) is imo a less risky way to go. hair anaylsis once you understand the quirks is fairley definitive, you might be advised to get ddi hair test done as per the files section. > i'm new here and am looking for some info on orl chelation. my > autistic son is 8. our doctor follows DAN protocol...and we do want > to try chelation but know little about it. our son was NOT > immunized, so where did the mercury come from? my many fillings? > and the doctor says it's not necessary to test for heavy metals in > my son..that we can assume they're there, because the tests are not > so valid. what do you all think? he did have hair analysis 4 + > years ago and it did reveal cumulatively high lead, mercury, arsenic. > any advise? many thanks, sher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2003 Report Share Posted March 2, 2003 Hi-- My son is also autistic and had never been immunized. He still regressed. I think lead did him in...I think many of the metals can cause autism and it would probably do your son good to get them out. I just started chelating my son in January, so I do not have a lot of experience...yet. Things seem to be OK. Just educate yourself ASAP and get going... [ ] oral chelation i'm new here and am looking for some info on orl chelation. my autistic son is 8. our doctor follows DAN protocol...and we do want to try chelation but know little about it. our son was NOT immunized, so where did the mercury come from? my many fillings? and the doctor says it's not necessary to test for heavy metals in my son..that we can assume they're there, because the tests are not so valid. what do you all think? he did have hair analysis 4 + years ago and it did reveal cumulatively high lead, mercury, arsenic. any advise? many thanks, sher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2003 Report Share Posted March 3, 2003 > i'm new here and am looking for some info on orl chelation. my > autistic son is 8. our doctor follows DAN protocol...and we do want > to try chelation but know little about it. My general info page, with links to other sources for info http://www.danasview.net/chelate.htm our son was NOT > immunized, so where did the mercury come from? my many fillings? Fillings, RhoGam, a few other sources. Can also be lead, antimony, or other metals. You can read here for sources of the different metals http://www.danasview.net/metals.htm > and the doctor says it's not necessary to test for heavy metals in > my son..that we can assume they're there, because the tests are not > so valid. what do you all think? he did have hair analysis 4 + > years ago and it did reveal cumulatively high lead, mercury, arsenic. > any advise? I did not test my son, I just started using ALA. I figured if he was not metal toxic, the ALA probably would not have any effect. If he WAS metal toxic, he would have changes. I started slow, with low dose, and worked up. My son no longer qualifies as autistic because of chelation, it is the best intervention I did with him. Good luck. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 > i'm new here and am looking for some info on orl chelation. my > autistic son is 8. our doctor follows DAN protocol...and we do want > to try chelation but know little about it. our son was NOT > immunized, so where did the mercury come from? my many fillings? > and the doctor says it's not necessary to test for heavy metals in > my son..that we can assume they're there, because the tests are not > so valid. This doctor is TOTALLY incompetent and you will do much better on your own. The tests are valid if used properly. Not all the autisitc kids have heavy metals - if they did, you wouldn't need to test. Since they don't, you need to test so you know what to do to help. Also, some metals need to get treated differently than others. See the files section for how to do a hair test (a good place to start). > what do you all think? he did have hair analysis 4 + > years ago and it did reveal cumulatively high lead, mercury, arsenic. > any advise? many thanks, sher What lab did the hair test? It may still be useful. > Andy . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2003 Report Share Posted August 19, 2003 It would be a lot more helpful if you would learn something about chelation and reformulate your product so that it isn't dangerous and harmful to lots of people. Andy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > Toxic Heavy Metals/Oral Chelation: Extreme Health's web site > http://www.autismmercury.com offers valuable educational information > (all highly referenced) on how toxic heavy metals contribute to many > health issues. Don't be confused by the name of the site. Extreme > Health's Oral Chelation /Age-Less Formula targets and has verified > studies on the effectiveness of the formula for mercury, lead, > arsenic, plus 17 other toxic heavy metals. Extreme Health offers a > FREE TEST on this site besides excellent before and after success > stories by doctors and consumers. Before spending any money on > testing for toxic heavy metals or before ordering ANY formulas or > supplements as a solution to these toxic metals, Extreme Health > encourages a person to begin gathering information here. I hope this > has been helpful. > > B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 Hello Andy, Could you be more specific? Have you or someone you know been hurt by a chelation product? Bill > It would be a lot more helpful if you would learn something about > chelation and reformulate your product so that it isn't dangerous and > harmful to lots of people. > > Andy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > > Toxic Heavy Metals/Oral Chelation: Extreme Health's web site > > http://www.autismmercury.com offers valuable educational information > > (all highly referenced) on how toxic heavy metals contribute to many > > health issues. Don't be confused by the name of the site. Extreme > > Health's Oral Chelation /Age-Less Formula targets and has verified > > studies on the effectiveness of the formula for mercury, lead, > > arsenic, plus 17 other toxic heavy metals. Extreme Health offers a > > FREE TEST on this site besides excellent before and after success > > stories by doctors and consumers. Before spending any money on > > testing for toxic heavy metals or before ordering ANY formulas or > > supplements as a solution to these toxic metals, Extreme Health > > encourages a person to begin gathering information here. I hope > this > > has been helpful. > > > > B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Garlic clears the body of lead and other heavy metals. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 And it's cheap and readily available. I like protocols that I don't have to pay a lot for and are close to the way we were designed to eat. If I didn't have to work around people all day, I'd up the dose. Some garlic is better than nothing, though... Vince > Garlic clears the body of lead and other heavy metals. > > Jay > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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