Re: topically applied antifungals, coconut oil, tea tree oil even nizoral shampoo

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina - I wish I could help, but I just don't understand everything like Bee

does. But she is probably off-line for the day.

I'm afraid part of your symptoms are like stated: the increased amount

of coconut oil quickly.

I did this to my poor son (21) who was away for 7 months. I was so excited to

feed him all our good food not realizing it was going to cause incredible

healing reactions for him. He's not forgiven me, yet.

began 03/09/10

>

> Still don't know the answer to this one.

> I had a big increase in symptoms similar to what I'm having now.

> The intense, crazy itchy burning in and out of skin.

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I'll just have to wait for Bee! What did your son 'feel' when he

got a bit too much of the coconut oil etc?

I'm just realizing that the sx I'm having now since on coconut oil are like when

I used the antifungals externally.

At first I thought maybe the tea tree oil absorbed and was toxic to my liver and

thus the picky itchy sensations all over even palms etc.

But now, I have the very same thing just from eating anything, esp since adding

coconut oil. So I just thought that maybe it is all healing reactions/die

off/toxins in my body. Seems to be triggered everytime I eat.

Tina

> >

> > Still don't know the answer to this one.

> > I had a big increase in symptoms similar to what I'm having now.

> > The intense, crazy itchy burning in and out of skin.

>

[Guest guest]

Tina wrote:

> [snip] What did your son 'feel' when he got a bit too much of the coconut oil

etc?

+++ Tina - He just had eggs, meat and butter...all things he was totally unused

to having. It gave him a whammy " cold " for which he was almost desperate to go

to the doctors but he patiently waited and has recovered...

began 03/09/10

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

My doctor told my son that Nizerol is very damaging to the kidneys and to stop

using the shampoo right way.

Cassie

>

> Still don't know the answer to this one.

> I had a big increase in symptoms similar to what I'm having now.

> The intense, crazy itchy burning in and out of skin.

>

> This did happen at times in my past trying to 'cure' myself in the past couple

of years.

> But noticed when I did a few days of selsun blue shampoo, then tried Nizoral

daily in shower for about 2 weeks and I think the most important one is that I

started during that time for about 6 days to apply tea tree oil all over my legs

and arms.

>

> I started this b/c of the external itch I used to sometimes get in shower, and

b/c I've had 'white spots' hundreds of untanned spots all over my arms and legs

for a year now.

>

> So 'in case' it was fungal (but could very well be sun damage) I tried this

regime.

> I want to know, that even though the skin is mostly a barrier, it does let

some things pass to deeper layers I believe.

> I started getting this 'healing' crisis of the internal crazy itch all over

driving me mad. Could it be that the tea tree oil and nizoral actually caused

some level of die/off in side of me? I was not taking any supplements at the

time, it was about 1.5 months ago. But I got so crazy antsy itchy and burning

all over my skin badly, similar to what I've been having since Bee's diet.

> IT's true that I've had this before, here and there in the past, but not

lasting like it does now. And it took some time after stopping the tea tree oil

/nizoral to feel okayish again.

>

> Any ideas? Is this a healing response from topically applied anti fungals,

felt in my whole body?

>

> Thank you Bee, I have been wondering about this since I did it and haven't

found the answer.

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Still don't know the answer to this one.

> I had a big increase in symptoms similar to what I'm having now.

> The intense, crazy itchy burning in and out of skin.

>

> This did happen at times in my past trying to 'cure' myself in the past couple

of years.

> But noticed when I did a few days of selsun blue shampoo, then tried Nizoral

daily in shower for about 2 weeks and I think the most important one is that I

started during that time for about 6 days to apply tea tree oil all over my legs

and arms.

>

> I started this b/c of the external itch I used to sometimes get in shower, and

b/c I've had 'white spots' hundreds of untanned spots all over my arms and legs

for a year now.

>

> So 'in case' it was fungal (but could very well be sun damage) I tried this

regime.

> I want to know, that even though the skin is mostly a barrier, it does let

some things pass to deeper layers I believe.

> I started getting this 'healing' crisis of the internal crazy itch all over

driving me mad. Could it be that the tea tree oil and nizoral actually caused

some level of die/off in side of me? I was not taking any supplements at the

time, it was about 1.5 months ago. But I got so crazy antsy itchy and burning

all over my skin badly, similar to what I've been having since Bee's diet.

> IT's true that I've had this before, here and there in the past, but not

lasting like it does now. And it took some time after stopping the tea tree oil

/nizoral to feel okayish again.

>

> Any ideas? Is this a healing response from topically applied anti fungals,

felt in my whole body?

+++Hi Tina,

Yes, you are getting healing and detoxifying responses to whatever you used as

treatments in the past, since they created healing and detoxifying reactions

too. On this program your body is getting all it needs to do it job, so it will

" retrace " all past symptoms, reactions, illnesses, diseases, organ malfunctions,

injuries, etc., including those produced by treatments, drugs, etc.

For example: My brother is 63 years old and was on my program. He called me

and said " I think I am having a stroke. " His symptoms and reactions were

numbing on 1/2 of his face, droopy mouth, and his eye didn't want to move right.

I asked, did you ever had a lot of novacaine shots to work on your teeth? He

said, " Yes, Oh my ___; one dentist kept putting more and more in so I wanted to

stop him. Afterward the numbing was the worst it had ever been so that even my

eye wouldn't work right. And that was 30 years ago, and I've been on your

program 30 months! Isn't that amazing?

I have hundreds of stories like that from so many people. So think of the

reactions and symptoms you had previously so you'll understand you will get them

again and why.

Read more about how your body heals itself in these articles:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

Read first and ask questions after, okay?

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

thanks so much Bee.

What I meant more specifically was 'if' these topical applications of nizoral

shampoo for 10 days and the tea tree oil - on skin only - could have been the

cause of the stingy burning picking itch all over from die off? It sort of was

'inside' me too, as I have been having now. And once I stopped it took several

days but it did ease up finally. And then sx came back some and I started your

program about 2 weeks ago.

Is it okay to stop the coconut oil for a day or two to see if sx alleviate? It

might take longer actually for the picky reactions and crazy inside to clear

out, than just a day off coconut oil right?

I am having so much constant and MUCH worse after eating anything, triggers full

body crazy itches, picky burning on skin, and severe agitation inside as it

feels like this mad tickly itch is on my nerve ending inside, oh man, it takes

an hour or sometimes all night to alleviate.

Especially with my homemade sauerkraut - hellish intnese body agitation and burn

and angst inside for hours on nerve ending and burning skin.

Also, tried coffee enema last night, clear one first, then my body did not want

to expel the 2 c. of coffee!

Then later I got some cramping and a bm about 20 mins later, but I also

developed internal shakes badly, and still have them this morning!

Yikes it feels like every food poisons me now!

Thanks Bee,

Tina

> > I want to know, that even though the skin is mostly a barrier, it does let

some things pass to deeper layers I believe.

> > I started getting this 'healing' crisis of the internal crazy itch all over

driving me mad. Could it be that the tea tree oil and nizoral actually caused

some level of die/off in side of me? I was not taking any supplements at the

time, it was about 1.5 months ago. But I got so crazy antsy itchy and burning

all over my skin badly, similar to what I've been having since Bee's diet.

> > IT's true that I've had this before, here and there in the past, but not

lasting like it does now. And it took some time after stopping the tea tree oil

/nizoral to feel okayish again.

> >

> > Any ideas? Is this a healing response from topically applied anti fungals,

felt in my whole body?

>

> +++Hi Tina,

>

> Yes, you are getting healing and detoxifying responses to whatever you used as

treatments in the past, since they created healing and detoxifying reactions

too. On this program your body is getting all it needs to do it job, so it will

" retrace " all past symptoms, reactions, illnesses, diseases, organ malfunctions,

injuries, etc., including those produced by treatments, drugs, etc.

>

> For example: My brother is 63 years old and was on my program. He called me

and said " I think I am having a stroke. " His symptoms and reactions were

numbing on 1/2 of his face, droopy mouth, and his eye didn't want to move right.

I asked, did you ever had a lot of novacaine shots to work on your teeth? He

said, " Yes, Oh my ___; one dentist kept putting more and more in so I wanted to

stop him. Afterward the numbing was the worst it had ever been so that even my

eye wouldn't work right. And that was 30 years ago, and I've been on your

program 30 months! Isn't that amazing?

>

> I have hundreds of stories like that from so many people. So think of the

reactions and symptoms you had previously so you'll understand you will get them

again and why.

>

> Read more about how your body heals itself in these articles:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu1_2.php

>

> Read first and ask questions after, okay?

>

> All the best, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

Since you went a little overboard with the coconut oil this past week and you

are just starting on the program, I think it would be okay for you to stop

taking it for 1 or 2 days to help relieve you of your symptoms. It may or may

not work, since sometimes once the healing process starts, it will continue.

This happened once to my husband in the very beginning. He way overdid it with

coconut oil and other anti-fungals (back when they were still a part of the

program) and he wouldn't listen to me when I told him to back off. He had a

major healing reaction in his kidneys that landed him in bed for two weeks. He

was in a lot of pain despite stoping taking coconut oil and the anti-fungals.

Now, when I tell to take it easy, he listens (a little!). Anyway, my point is

that once his healing reaction started, he had no choice but to go through it

and it is possible that the same thing is happening to you, but there is no way

of knowing for sure how long this will last.

For now, since you are having so many problems with so many different foods, I

would suggest that you only eat the foods on Bee's diet that don't bother you.

Later on, when you are feeling better, you can start SLOWLY adding them in since

some of them are necessary for health and healing.

Coffee enemas help to mobilize toxins, so that is why you are feeling so shaky

today.

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>

> thanks so much Bee.

> What I meant more specifically was 'if' these topical applications of nizoral

shampoo for 10 days and the tea tree oil - on skin only - could have been the

cause of the stingy burning picking itch all over from die off? It sort of was

'inside' me too, as I have been having now. And once I stopped it took several

days but it did ease up finally. And then sx came back some and I started your

program about 2 weeks ago.

> Is it okay to stop the coconut oil for a day or two to see if sx alleviate?

It might take longer actually for the picky reactions and crazy inside to clear

out, than just a day off coconut oil right?

> I am having so much constant and MUCH worse after eating anything, triggers

full body crazy itches, picky burning on skin, and severe agitation inside as it

feels like this mad tickly itch is on my nerve ending inside, oh man, it takes

an hour or sometimes all night to alleviate.

> Especially with my homemade sauerkraut - hellish intnese body agitation and

burn and angst inside for hours on nerve ending and burning skin.

>

> Also, tried coffee enema last night, clear one first, then my body did not

want to expel the 2 c. of coffee!

> Then later I got some cramping and a bm about 20 mins later, but I also

developed internal shakes badly, and still have them this morning!

>

> Yikes it feels like every food poisons me now!

> Thanks Bee,

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks , I'll just have to wait for Bee! What did your son 'feel' when he

got a bit too much of the coconut oil etc?

>

> I'm just realizing that the sx I'm having now since on coconut oil are like

when I used the antifungals externally.

> At first I thought maybe the tea tree oil absorbed and was toxic to my liver

and thus the picky itchy sensations all over even palms etc.

> But now, I have the very same thing just from eating anything, esp since

adding coconut oil. So I just thought that maybe it is all healing

reactions/die off/toxins in my body. Seems to be triggered everytime I eat.

+++Hi Tina,

Even if the antifungals you took before were natural, like garlic, they were too

strong for your body to handle.

Tea tree oil can be healing, however it is way too strong for sick people to

handle too, which can overwhelm your detoxification pathways, including the

liver. It doesn't mean they are bad. Such treatments should only be used to

assist your body, but strong substances overwhelm your body when you are sick,

which can interfere with detoxification and healing.

That's why I emphasize the importance of nutrients instead of such treatments.

Of course the nutrients can trigger healing and detoxifying reactions because

that is what your body needs in order to do its job - see this article on

healing foods:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/heal14.php

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Tina,

>

> My doctor told my son that Nizerol is very damaging to the kidneys and to stop

using the shampoo right way.

+++Hi Cassie,

That was great advice by your doctor since anything applied to the skin and

scalp are readily absorbed. Thanks for letting us know.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> thanks so much Bee.

> What I meant more specifically was 'if' these topical applications of nizoral

shampoo for 10 days and the tea tree oil - on skin only - could have been the

cause of the stingy burning picking itch all over from die off? It sort of was

'inside' me too, as I have been having now. And once I stopped it took several

days but it did ease up finally. And then sx came back some and I started your

program about 2 weeks ago.

+++Yes Tina, that is true as I wrote in my previous reply: " Yes, you are getting

healing and detoxifying responses to whatever you used as treatments in the

past, since they created healing and detoxifying reactions too. On this program

your body is getting all it needs to do it job, so it will " retrace " all past

symptoms, reactions, illnesses, diseases, organ malfunctions, injuries, etc.,

including those produced by treatments, drugs, etc. " <<<NOTE

> Is it okay to stop the coconut oil for a day or two to see if sx alleviate?

It might take longer actually for the picky reactions and crazy inside to clear

out, than just a day off coconut oil right?

> I am having so much constant and MUCH worse after eating anything, triggers

full body crazy itches, picky burning on skin, and severe agitation inside as it

feels like this mad tickly itch is on my nerve ending inside, oh man, it takes

an hour or sometimes all night to alleviate.

+++No, do not stop coconut oil, instead lower the dose to 1/4 teaspoon 3 times a

day with meals, and very slowly increase the amounts, since all of the oils,

fats, meats, supplements, etc. all work together. It takes some people 6 months

to get their coconut oil intake up to the maximum, so take your time.

+++Your full body crazy itches are normal so please read the article on Itching

Causes & Treatments. May I ask you to read the articles I have given you links

it in my replies to you before posting again? Thanks a bunch.

> Especially with my homemade sauerkraut - hellish intnese body agitation and

burn and angst inside for hours on nerve ending and burning skin.

>

> Also, tried coffee enema last night, clear one first, then my body did not

want to expel the 2 c. of coffee!

> Then later I got some cramping and a bm about 20 mins later, but I also

developed internal shakes badly, and still have them this morning!

>

> Yikes it feels like every food poisons me now!

+++Tina, again, please read first before posting again on the same subject.

Thanks so much, Bee