Re: HCL test

[Guest guest]

I was up to 16 capsules of HCL and still no burning! The one problem

I did experience was diarehhea, but I was also taking nystatin at the

same time. I ended up stopping both so maybe I'll retest the hcl

levels now. Also, my naturopath gave me a test in which I swallowed a

capsule with a long string wrapped inside while holding the end of

the string. I swalled the capsule with string partially protruding

from my mouth, waited 5 minutes or so and pulled out and used some

sort of testing ph stick and rubbed the part that was (hopefully) in

my stomach (it turns colors to reveal acid levels). Then I ate a

small meal and repeated the procedure. These were the two tests I did

for HCL, and actually the ones that caused me to question this diet

for me personally. I will try 's and 's suggestion of

eliminating carbs and maybe my acid levels will boost up again

(although if low acid levels mean I can drink coffee again.....)

Peace,

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> CHECK YOUR STOMACH FOR SUFFICIENT HYDROCHLORIC ACID

> To test for sufficient hydrochloric acid -

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> You need betaine hydrochloride tablets plus enzymes - they are

available

> from health food shops.

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[Guest guest]

Technically, a pH test of saliva and urine only provide information

on the pH of saliva and urine. However, in the body, a shift in pH

in one area may affect a change in pH in other areas. In CFS/FMS we

see that as the tissue becomes acidic, the blood becomes alkaline.

Alkaline blood may negatively effect production of HCl in the stomach

in two ways. The parietal cells in the stomach that produce the HCl

have very large demands for ATP (lots of mitochondria in these cells)

alkaline blood tends to hold onto oxygen and the mitochondria need

oxygen to produce ATP. Without ATP the parietal cell does not have

the energy to make HCl. The second way that HCl production may be

affected is that the processes that make HCl begin by taking CO2 from

the blood. (One reason that the blood has become alkaline is because

there is less CO2 in the blood.) (note: anything else that would

block the mitochondria from producing ATP would also have a limiting

effect on the production of HCl in the stomach. To restore HCl

production, all blocks must be removed.)

So, while the test that you describe does not directly measure HCl in

the stomach, if the pH of saliva and urine are out of balance it will

give you a pretty good clue that pH balances our out in other parts

of the body.

If you are one of those folks that likes to do tests, invest in the

pH papers. I can save you some time and money, if you've been

diagnosed with CFS/FMS, your pH is out of balance and stomach HCl

production is probably low. If you have symptoms of acid reflux, HCl

production is low.

The real question is that once you find out that your pH is out of

balance, what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do

to put it back into balance?

Here you run into more confusing issues. There are two ways that the

body becomes acidified, respiratory acidosis and metabolic acidosis

and though the end result seems to be similar they are both very

different. What helps one may not necessarily help the other. Most

alkaline improvement courses/books are directed toward metabolic

acidosis. In CFS/FMS the body is dealing with respiratory acidosis.

All the best,

Jim

> Hi all,

> I ran across this in a book called " Renew Your Life: Improved

digestion and detoxification " p.22, by . Her reference

is Judy Kitchen, " Hypochloridia: A review - part 1 " , Townsend Letter

for Doctors and Patients, October 2001, p.56:

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> Test Your pH

> One way to determine if you have a HCl deficiency is to use special

pH testing paper (which measures acidity/alkalinity) first thing in

the morning to obtain a reading of the pH of your saliva. Record the

number corresponding to the colour change on the paper, then test the

saliva again about 1/2 hour after eating breakfast. You should see an

increase in pH, ideally by two whole numbers (from pH of 7 to a pH of

9 for example). If the second reading decreases instead of

increasing, and/or if the first reading was initially low (less than

6.5), it is an indication of a need for more stomach acid.

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> Does this look like it would work? Has anyone tried it?

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi Bee,

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> Question for you. I've read on your site as well as others about the HCL

increase test for low HCL. Just to let you know that I took ONE tablet 30-45

minutes after a meal and I already felt the burning. What would you recommend

after this? I had previously gotten tested and it showed that I had low HCL.

Although, wouldn't my symptoms represent something along the lines of HIGH HCL?

Thanks for your help.

>

+++Hi Mike,

Yes, you can also have normal HCl production so that's why taking HCl

supplements caused burning since there was enough already. Of course this

program helps your body produce HCl like it should.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

When I first started the program, I had a lot of stomach pain, but even one

tablet of HCl caused me to have the burning that indicated that I didn't need

HCl.

Instead, I used to eat 1/2 cup of homemade sauerkraut with meals and if that

didn't work, I would chew on a piece of fresh ginger. Perhaps one of those

ideas might work for you.

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> Hi Bee,

>

> Question for you. I've read on your site as well as others about the HCL

increase test for low HCL. Just to let you know that I took ONE tablet 30-45

minutes after a meal and I already felt the burning. What would you recommend

after this? I had previously gotten tested and it showed that I had low HCL.

Although, wouldn't my symptoms represent something along the lines of HIGH HCL?

Thanks for your help.

>

> -Mike

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response Bee,

Can this possibly indicate that I have TOO MUCH HCl? Would you still recommend

taking the HCl supplements as part of the program?

-Mike

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> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > Question for you. I've read on your site as well as others about the HCL

increase test for low HCL. Just to let you know that I took ONE tablet 30-45

minutes after a meal and I already felt the burning. What would you recommend

after this? I had previously gotten tested and it showed that I had low HCL.

Although, wouldn't my symptoms represent something along the lines of HIGH HCL?

Thanks for your help.

> >

> +++Hi Mike,

>

> Yes, you can also have normal HCl production so that's why taking HCl

supplements caused burning since there was enough already. Of course this

program helps your body produce HCl like it should.

>

> Bee

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[Guest guest]

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> Thanks for the response Bee,

>

> Can this possibly indicate that I have TOO MUCH HCl? Would you still recommend

taking the HCl supplements as part of the program?

>

+++Hi Mike,

It does not mean you have too much HCl unless you get burning when you do not

take HCl supplements. Of course off diet foods, high-carbs, sugars, etc. can

cause burning which is not because you have too much HCl.

Do you get burning when you do not take HCl and don't consume off-diet foods?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I completely agree as the burning was INCREASED and mostly noticeable when I

used to drink coffee and eat refined sugar such as cake, cookies etc. I don't

usually get the burning at least to a noticeable degree when I DON'T eat garbage

foods. However, I do get burping and indigestion in general with ALL foods. Is

there a reason for that? Would the HCl benefit that? I'm literally JUST getting

started on your program. So, I'm just putting together the supplement list you

created and the HCl part is something I'm curious about. Thanks again for your

time.

-Mike

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> > Thanks for the response Bee,

> >

> > Can this possibly indicate that I have TOO MUCH HCl? Would you still

recommend taking the HCl supplements as part of the program?

> >

> +++Hi Mike,

>

> It does not mean you have too much HCl unless you get burning when you do not

take HCl supplements. Of course off diet foods, high-carbs, sugars, etc. can

cause burning which is not because you have too much HCl.

>

> Do you get burning when you do not take HCl and don't consume off-diet foods?

>

> Bee

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[Guest guest]

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> Hi Bee,

>

> I completely agree as the burning was INCREASED and mostly noticeable when I

used to drink coffee and eat refined sugar such as cake, cookies etc. I don't

usually get the burning at least to a noticeable degree when I DON'T eat garbage

foods. However, I do get burping and indigestion in general with ALL foods. Is

there a reason for that? Would the HCl benefit that? I'm literally JUST getting

started on your program. So, I'm just putting together the supplement list you

created and the HCl part is something I'm curious about. Thanks again for your

time.

+++Hi Mike,

Burping is because you have swallowed air while eating or drinking, which

happens when stressed so you may not realize it. Some people nervously swallow

air even when not eating or drinking. Do deep breathing exercises to alleviate

stress before eating, and even while eating, and drink fluids through a straw -

here's the exercises:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php

What specific symptoms do you get when you say " ingestion " ?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

The symptoms I get are burping up food often or just burping in general. I guess

that's what I described as indigestion or I'll get a dry cough which has been

constant and some burning feeling in the chest, but again that usually comes

after eating refined foods.

-Mike

> >

> > Hi Bee,

> >

> > I completely agree as the burning was INCREASED and mostly noticeable when I

used to drink coffee and eat refined sugar such as cake, cookies etc. I don't

usually get the burning at least to a noticeable degree when I DON'T eat garbage

foods. However, I do get burping and indigestion in general with ALL foods. Is

there a reason for that? Would the HCl benefit that? I'm literally JUST getting

started on your program. So, I'm just putting together the supplement list you

created and the HCl part is something I'm curious about. Thanks again for your

time.

>

> +++Hi Mike,

> Burping is because you have swallowed air while eating or drinking, which

happens when stressed so you may not realize it. Some people nervously swallow

air even when not eating or drinking. Do deep breathing exercises to alleviate

stress before eating, and even while eating, and drink fluids through a straw -

here's the exercises:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php

>

> What specific symptoms do you get when you say " ingestion " ?

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

When you say 'refined foods' do you mean foods that aren't permitted on Bee's

diet? If you do, the reactions you are having are likely because of the toxic

element to those foods.

Most people find that when they eat something 'off diet' they will get some sort

of negative reaction, like coughing, runny nose, etc. It's your body's way of

getting rid of the toxins.

Group Moderator

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> Hi Bee,

>

> The symptoms I get are burping up food often or just burping in general. I

guess that's what I described as indigestion or I'll get a dry cough which has

been constant and some burning feeling in the chest, but again that usually

comes after eating refined foods.

>

> -Mike

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Bee,

>

> The symptoms I get are burping up food often or just burping in general. I

guess that's what I described as indigestion or I'll get a dry cough which has

been constant and some burning feeling in the chest, but again that usually

comes after eating refined foods.

>

+++Hi Mike. If that is all that happens, then you do not need HCl supplements.

Of course a dry cough and burning in your chest is because those areas are

detoxifying like they should.

Bee