Re: don't seem to be healing

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Bee,

>

> I'm on your program 7 1/2 months.

>

> I daily have severe nausea, fatigue, anxiety, constant hunger. Plus

> the acne and 30-pound weight gain. (All of these except the anxiety

> have started only since being on the diet, though the anxiety has

> worsened.)

>

> I feel like I'm constantly in fight or flight mode. I daily do deep

> breathing exercises, meditation, and yoga (and have for several

> years). Nothing helps!

>

> Shouldn't these have improved by now?

>

> I'm reading Taubes' Why We Get Fat. According to him, I guess I have

> high insulin levels. Shouldn't my body have switched over to running

> on protein and fat instead of glucose by now? You and moderators

> often write that it can take up to 4 months for the body to switch

> over. I'm nearly at twice that amount of time.

>

> I'm getting really desparate and worried. Do you ever have people

> that just don't get better on your diet?

+++Hi ,

Your acne has not changed at all since you started on this program, i.e. got

worse, then a little better, and then worse again, etc.? Did you ever have any

kind of skin issues before this program?

Do you have " constant " nausea, fatigue, and anxiety, or do they come and go, go

up and down throughout the day, or change from day to day? Fatigue, nausea, and

anxiety are healing and detoxifying symptoms, and since you are having them it

means your body is healing itself.

How long did you have anxiety before starting on this program, and what do you

think caused it in the past? Also what symptoms did you experience when you had

anxiety then?

You need to do deep breathing exercises every time you get the symptoms of your

body running on its fight/flight system, so doing them daily isn't going to

help. Review the list of symptoms in this deep breathing article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php

Have you experienced stresses such as shock (sickness or death of loved ones),

injury, emotional upsets, losses, relationship or financial worries, heavy work

or responsibilities, etc.

As I wrote to you before regarding your weight issues: " In your questionnaire on

January 19, 2011 you said you took birth control pills up until 7 years ago and

took them for about 6 years. Not only do hormones interfere more with healing,

but also your body won't start " retracing them " until you've been on my program

for at least 7 months and maybe longer. NOTE>>>>It may be longer because it

takes the body more time to balance hormones particularly since you've taken

birth control pills. "

I also advised you to lower your carbs to .5 times your protein gram ratios

instead of .8 times protein grams. Have you done that consistently?

This is what I wrote to you before about hunger pangs: " Also since you still

have hunger pangs I believe it may take longer on my program for your body to

adjust itself enough " - see Hunger and Satiety which says it can take 1 year to

18 months for hunger pangs to subside:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/hunger1.php

Yes, the moderators and I have written that it can take 4 months to switch your

body's energy source from glucose to fats (ketones), that may be different for

each person due to other factors, i.e. age, how well they follow the program,

level of debilitation, stress and how they handle stress, whether they had been

abused in the past, toxic people in their lives that put them down (now or in

the past), etc.

Your body could not be producing high insulin now, IF your carbs are low and you

are having plenty of protein, high good fats and all supplements, unless you are

cheating.

Were you ever hypoglycemic in the past, which is when your blood sugar drops

awhile after eating or when a meal was skipped?

Since you had anxiety before your body will be retracing each and every episode

as it heals.

I suggest you stop doing meditation since it stirs up emotions and memories in

your mind from the past which isn't healthy. Hopefully you are only doing mild

forms of yoga too since exercise other than mild forms mobilizes toxins more.

Are saying you have had absolutely no healing or improvements in your health of

any kind so far?

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Bee,

Thanks so much for your thorough response.

My answers are after *********.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>

> Your acne has not changed at all since you started on this program, i.e.

> got worse, then a little better, and then worse again, etc.? Did you ever

> have any kind of skin issues before this program?

>

> ************** I had mild acne for 2 years before the program. The last 7

1/2 months on program, it has gotten worse, then better, then worse. But

throughout this time it's been worse than it ever was pre-diet.

> Do you have " constant " nausea, fatigue, and anxiety, or do they come and

> go, go up and down throughout the day, or change from day to day? Fatigue,

> nausea, and anxiety are healing and detoxifying symptoms, and since you are

> having them it means your body is healing itself.

>

> ************** The anxiety is pretty constant. The nausea, hunger, racing

heart begin 2 hours after eating. Fatigue comes and goes.

> How long did you have anxiety before starting on this program, and what

> do you think caused it in the past? Also what symptoms did you experience

> when you had anxiety then?

>

> ************** I've had anxiety for at least 10 years. This meant racing

heart, shortness of breath, panicked emotions, fear, etc.

> You need to do deep breathing exercises every time you get the symptoms

> of your body running on its fight/flight system, so doing them daily isn't

> going to help. Review the list of symptoms in this deep breathing article:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/breath4.php

>

> ***************I will do them more often, but it's just that the anxiety

returns within minutes of doing them.

> Have you experienced stresses such as shock (sickness or death of loved

> ones), injury, emotional upsets, losses, relationship or financial worries,

> heavy work or responsibilities, etc.

>

> *********************No.

> As I wrote to you before regarding your weight issues: " In your

> questionnaire on January 19, 2011 you said you took birth control pills up

> until 7 years ago and took them for about 6 years. Not only do hormones

> interfere more with healing, but also your body won't start " retracing them "

> until you've been on my program for at least 7 months and maybe longer.

> NOTE>>>>It may be longer because it takes the body more time to balance

> hormones particularly since you've taken birth control pills. "

>

> I also advised you to lower your carbs to .5 times your protein gram ratios

> instead of .8 times protein grams. Have you done that consistently?

>

> *********** Yes.

>

> This is what I wrote to you before about hunger pangs: " Also since you

> still have hunger pangs I believe it may take longer on my program for your

> body to adjust itself enough " - see Hunger and Satiety which says it can

> take 1 year to 18 months for hunger pangs to subside:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/hunger1.php

>

> Yes, the moderators and I have written that it can take 4 months to switch

> your body's energy source from glucose to fats (ketones), that may be

> different for each person due to other factors, i.e. age, how well they

> follow the program, level of debilitation, stress and how they handle

> stress, whether they had been abused in the past, toxic people in their

> lives that put them down (now or in the past), etc.

>

> Your body could not be producing high insulin now, IF your carbs are low

> and you are having plenty of protein, high good fats and all supplements,

> unless you are cheating.

>

> ***************I follow everything to a " T " . I've only cheated 3 times in

7 1/2 months.

> Were you ever hypoglycemic in the past, which is when your blood sugar

> drops awhile after eating or when a meal was skipped?

>

> ***************No.

> Since you had anxiety before your body will be retracing each and every

> episode as it heals.

>

> I suggest you stop doing meditation since it stirs up emotions and memories

> in your mind from the past which isn't healthy. Hopefully you are only doing

> mild forms of yoga too since exercise other than mild forms mobilizes toxins

> more.

>

> **************Yes, I only have energy to do mild yoga, and not every day.

> Are saying you have had absolutely no healing or improvements in your

> health of any kind so far?

>

> ****************I am menstruating every month, which is a big improvement

for me. And my digestion has improved (gas and constipation). I am very

grateful for these improvements. However, it's hard to keep the faith when

all other areas of my health seem to be plummeting.

***********I've read so many posts on this forum from people going from

bed-ridden to active and healthy on this diet. Well, it's the opposite for

me. Several months ago, I was very active, felt good about how I look, and

socialized with friends. Now I can barely make it to work, rarely have the

energy for anything else, and feel depressed when I look in a mirror. Plus,

I can't start midwifery school this fall as I'd hoped because there's no way

I could handle it. I really have no one to talk to about this, because

everyone says I should get off this " insane " diet. And sometimes it does

feel insane to continue when my health seems to only get worse.

**********But I've read enough to know this is the way humans are supposed

to eat. So that makes me feel all the more hopeless. I'm sorry to

whine, I just feel panicked.

****************Thank you, Bee, for your time, and your dedication to

helping us,

[Guest guest]

Hi , I wonder if you have your Hcl dose right? I only ask because

getting it right was a big one for my family and a difficult one to figure out

especially on behalf of the children. I also wondered if you had considered

eating just two meals a day - a hard prospect if you are still hungry alot, but

a brilliant tactic for leaving your digestive system lots of time to process

your food properly and leave as little as possible for the yeast to need to

clear up afterwards. It also gives plenty of time for your body to build up lots

of enzymes and Hcl ready for the next meal.

Of course this is not a tactic I would recommend to people at the beginning of

their healing but a good few of us old timers (I am at the start of my third

year)have done very well doing this in the sometimes frustrating midterm of

their healing.

I also find it an invaluble gauge for how well we are doing in terms of

digesting our foods and getting our Hcl dose right. If we go into major detox

reactions when we are a good few hours away from food,- things are not going

well! The longer we can manage away from food the weller we are in general.

You didn't mention much about what symptoms you had before the program? As I am

sure you know it can be quite difficult to calculate how ill you were and for

how long. Many of us inherited compromised nutrition at conception, our abused

guts may have been poorly since early youth, the extent of the inflammation of

our major organs and brains is hidden from view.

It sounds like you are still in the throes of healing. Another tac to maybe

consider, is slowing the healing down and having less coconut oil on the days

you are feeling overwhelmed or are facing challenges. This is how I survived

running a buisness and healing myself and my very poorly kids and how

one of our wonderful moderators got through her Masters.

You may even consider taking carbs completely out of the equation for a little

while and going on the all meat and fat program. This certainly reduced the

daily toll of healing for my family and massively increased our progress.

Hope some of this helps,

Lots of love,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you so much for your ideas.

I was on 1-2 capsules of Hcl for about a month, but I stopped when I didn't

need them anymore. Occassionally I'll have one capsule to see if I need

them, but I always get burning afterward, so I guess I don't need them.

As for 2 meals--I will try it. Maybe I could go without breakfast. But as

it is, I get intense hunger that turns into really horrible nausea, leaving

me unable to function. Often this happens only two hours after eating!

I did try going on the all meat and fat diet for about 2 months--no change!

I've tried making all kinds of adjustments--replacing butter with ghee, and

reducing coconut oil for a month, for example. But I just continue in this

stuck place.

My main symptoms prior to the diet were lack of menstruation, constipation,

and anxiety. The first two have improved (I have a period every month now),

which is my justification for continuing this diet. But eating this way is

so drastically impairing my life in every other way possible. The anxiety

is so bad now that I feel like I'm in a constant state of mild panic attack,

sometimes even during and after deep breathing exercises. Just seems that

after almost 8 months of being super strict it should be getting better.

Anyway, I will try going down to 2 meals a day. I really appreciate your

time and concern. I have almost no support in " real " life so hearing from

people like you is great.

Lots of love to you too,

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, annasingh54 <annasingh54@...>wrote:

>

>

> Hi , I wonder if you have your Hcl dose right? I only ask because

> getting it right was a big one for my family and a difficult one to figure

> out especially on behalf of the children. I also wondered if you had

> considered eating just two meals a day - a hard prospect if you are still

> hungry alot, but a brilliant tactic for leaving your digestive system lots

> of time to process your food properly and leave as little as possible for

> the yeast to need to clear up afterwards. It also gives plenty of time for

> your body to build up lots of enzymes and Hcl ready for the next meal.

> Of course this is not a tactic I would recommend to people at the beginning

> of their healing but a good few of us old timers (I am at the start of my

> third year)have done very well doing this in the sometimes frustrating

> midterm of their healing.

> I also find it an invaluble gauge for how well we are doing in terms of

> digesting our foods and getting our Hcl dose right. If we go into major

> detox reactions when we are a good few hours away from food,- things are not

> going well! The longer we can manage away from food the weller we are in

> general.

> You didn't mention much about what symptoms you had before the program? As

> I am sure you know it can be quite difficult to calculate how ill you were

> and for how long. Many of us inherited compromised nutrition at conception,

> our abused guts may have been poorly since early youth, the extent of the

> inflammation of our major organs and brains is hidden from view.

> It sounds like you are still in the throes of healing. Another tac to maybe

> consider, is slowing the healing down and having less coconut oil on the

> days you are feeling overwhelmed or are facing challenges. This is how I

> survived running a buisness and healing myself and my very poorly kids and

> how one of our wonderful moderators got through her Masters.

> You may even consider taking carbs completely out of the equation for a

> little while and going on the all meat and fat program. This certainly

> reduced the daily toll of healing for my family and massively increased our

> progress.

> Hope some of this helps,

> Lots of love,

>

>

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Bee,

>

> I'm on your program 7 1/2 months.

>

> I daily have severe nausea, fatigue, anxiety, constant hunger. Plus

> the acne and 30-pound weight gain. (All of these except the anxiety

> have started only since being on the diet, though the anxiety has

> worsened.)

*********Hi , I think you & I started around the same time. I too have

gained about 30 lbs., and like you, I am concerned as to why it continues to

increase despite my efforts to slightly decrease my fats as per Bee's

suggestion. Funny thing though, while searching to find something to reach out

to you and provide encouragement, I needed it too, I found among Bee's articles,

" Coconut Oil-Miracle Medicine and Diet Pill " , Further down the page, under the

topic of " How your appetite can change " , states that fat burning mode happens as

a result of exercise or WHEN WE WAIT TO EAT! So our hunger, that constant kind

of nagging hunger, is our body NOT using fat stores, instead is demanding new

fuel while storing our fat fuel. I do beleive this has something to do with our

hormonal balance which is mentioned in the article as well. PLEASE, PLEASE read

this article and see if you can identify with it as much as I did!

Let me know, OK dear! I found it enlightening.

>

Snip

>I'm reading Taubes' Why We Get Fat. According to him, I guess I have

> high insulin levels. Shouldn't my body have switched over to running

> on protein and fat instead of glucose by now? You and moderators

> often write that it can take up to 4 months for the body to switch

> over. I'm nearly at twice that amount of time.

***********Me too ! I have been on Bee's program since Aug. 2010. I

don't believe I have switched over yet either. I do find that my appetitie is

stablizing but it seems to shift very slowly and not consistently. Some days I'm

hungrier than others, but I am thinking that during my hungriest of days, are

often linked to days with the most symptoms. What do you think?

>

> I'm getting really desparate and worried. Do you ever have people

> that just don't get better on your diet?

>

**************Please don't give up. I struggle too, but the healing that has

taken place, encourages me to keep moving forward despite the very discouraging

symptoms that remain.

Keep perservering!

Nina

> Thank you very much,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina. This is interesting. I too have been on the diet for around a year

and have gained around 30lbs which is somewhat depressing.

For me, as a diabetic on insulin, the hormonal thing is always going to get in

the way a bit, but I am currently in the process of reducing my fat intake and

may well go over to just all meat and fat to see if that makes any difference.

I kind of figure that if I am eating enough fat for my energy needs, my body

isn't going to be 'forced' into using my stored fat as an energy source.

I also appear to have redeveloped more insulin resistance which suggests I have

more fat floating around in my blood stream than is good for me.

I have not found my energy levels to have increased very significantly. They go

up and down every day - in the morning I drag myself up the stairs, but

sometimes in the evening I can run up them! My energy levels tend to run out

quite quickly too which again suggests my body just isn't releasing it's fat

stores for some reason.

So I will try the lowered fat consumption first and see how that works, and

failing that will go over to the all meat and fat regime and see if that

triggers any weight loss.

Ali.

> >

> > Dear Bee,

> >

> > I'm on your program 7 1/2 months.

> >

> > I daily have severe nausea, fatigue, anxiety, constant hunger. Plus

> > the acne and 30-pound weight gain. (All of these except the anxiety

> > have started only since being on the diet, though the anxiety has

> > worsened.)

>

> *********Hi , I think you & I started around the same time. I too have

gained about 30 lbs., and like you, I am concerned as to why it continues to

increase despite my efforts to slightly decrease my fats as per Bee's

suggestion. Funny thing though, while searching to find something to reach out

to you and provide encouragement, I needed it too, I found among Bee's articles,

" Coconut Oil-Miracle Medicine and Diet Pill " , Further down the page, under the

topic of " How your appetite can change " , states that fat burning mode happens as

a result of exercise or WHEN WE WAIT TO EAT! So our hunger, that constant kind

of nagging hunger, is our body NOT using fat stores, instead is demanding new

fuel while storing our fat fuel. I do beleive this has something to do with our

hormonal balance which is mentioned in the article as well. PLEASE, PLEASE read

this article and see if you can identify with it as much as I did!

>

> Let me know, OK dear! I found it enlightening.

> >

> Snip

>

> >I'm reading Taubes' Why We Get Fat. According to him, I guess I have

> > high insulin levels. Shouldn't my body have switched over to running

> > on protein and fat instead of glucose by now? You and moderators

> > often write that it can take up to 4 months for the body to switch

> > over. I'm nearly at twice that amount of time.

>

> ***********Me too ! I have been on Bee's program since Aug. 2010. I

don't believe I have switched over yet either. I do find that my appetitie is

stablizing but it seems to shift very slowly and not consistently. Some days I'm

hungrier than others, but I am thinking that during my hungriest of days, are

often linked to days with the most symptoms. What do you think?

> >

> > I'm getting really desparate and worried. Do you ever have people

> > that just don't get better on your diet?

> >

> **************Please don't give up. I struggle too, but the healing that has

taken place, encourages me to keep moving forward despite the very discouraging

symptoms that remain.

>

> Keep perservering!

> Nina

>

>

> > Thank you very much,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

I have a question about what Nina just copied in for ....

I found among Bee's articles, " Coconut Oil-Miracle Medicine and Diet Pill " ,

Further down the page, under the topic of " How your appetite can change " , states

that fat burning mode happens as a result of exercise or WHEN WE WAIT TO EAT! So

our hunger, that constant kind of nagging hunger, is our body NOT using fat

stores, instead is demanding new fuel while storing our fat fuel.

At first I thought this meant that letting myself go hungry (maybe skipping

breakfast) would help me lose weight, but then it looks like it is saying that

doing that would cause our bodies NOT to use our fat stores. Do you know? You

know that if you tell us to go hungry, we will. : )

Thanks, Bee!

Debbie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi ,

<snip>

> As for 2 meals--I will try it. Maybe I could go without breakfast. But as it

is, I get intense hunger that turns into really horrible nausea, leaving me

unable to function. Often this happens only two hours after eating!

+++Hi . Please do not skip breakfast!

>

> I did try going on the all meat and fat diet for about 2 months--no change!

+++That is not enough time to expect results my friend~

> I've tried making all kinds of adjustments--replacing butter with ghee, and

reducing coconut oil for a month, for example. But I just continue in this

stuck place.

+++People who do well on this program do not make any adjustments, and that's

why they progress like they should.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nina.

<snip>

>

> For me, as a diabetic on insulin, the hormonal thing is always going to get in

the way a bit, but I am currently in the process of reducing my fat intake and

may well go over to just all meat and fat to see if that makes any difference.

>

> I kind of figure that if I am eating enough fat for my energy needs, my body

isn't going to be 'forced' into using my stored fat as an energy source.

>

> I also appear to have redeveloped more insulin resistance which suggests I

have more fat floating around in my blood stream than is good for me.

+++Hi Ali,

I wrote this article but have not had time to post it, and you might get a lot

from it:

Protein Stimulates the Release of Both Glucagon and Insulin

Source: http://www.insulin-pumpers.org/howto/pfandbs-3.html

Definitions:

Glucagon, a hormone secreted by the pancreas, raises blood glucose levels. Its

effect is opposite that of insulin, which lowers blood glucose levels. The

pancreas releases glucagon when blood sugar (glucose) levels fall too low.

Glucagon causes the liver to convert stored glycogen, which is not a hormone –

see definition below, into glucose, which is released into the bloodstream.

Glucagon also stimulates the release of insulin, so glucose can be taken up and

used by insulin-dependent tissues. Thus, glucagon and insulin are part of a

feedback system that keeps blood glucose levels at a stable level. Glucagon

belongs to a family of several other related hormones.

Glycogen (not glucagon above) is a white tasteless substance resembling starch,

and soluble in water. It is found abundantly in the liver of most animals, and

in small quantities in other organs and tissues, particularly in the embryo. It

is quickly changed into glucose as needed by the body to satisfy its energy

needs, mainly by the action of amylolytic ferments (see next definition). It is

also called animal starch.

Amylolytic Ferments: The amylolytic process is used in the brewing of alcohol

from grains. Since grains contain starches but little to no simple sugars, the

sugar needed to produce alcohol is derived from starch via the amylolytic

process (definition below). In beer brewing, this is done through malting. In

sake (Japanese alcoholic beverage) brewing, the mold Aspergillus oryzae provides

amylolysis.

Studies on enzyme production reveal that both, bacteria and fungi can produce

significant levels of amylase even in the absence of starch. Source:

http://www.pakbs.org/pjbot/PDFs/37%281%29/PJB37%281%29155.pdf

Amylolysis, or the amylolytic process, is the conversion of starch into sugar.

In the human body it is mainly done by amylase enzymes, produced by the mouth,

the pancreas, and by bacteria and fungi (candida) produced by the large

intestines.

Article:

In a person without diabetes, a rise in blood amino acid concentration (the

result of protein metabolism) stimulates the secretion of both glucagon and

insulin, so their blood sugar remains stable. But in people with diabetes, the

release of glucagon without insulin or with impaired insulin response can cause

our blood sugar to rise several hours after a meal high in protein.

So why are these two hormones battling for opposing uses of the same amino

acids? Isn't that non-productive?

Actually, the phenomenon serves an important purpose. As you probably know,

insulin lowers the blood sugar, while glucagon raises it. In the non-diabetic

state, the release of these two opposing hormones ensures that the amino acids

are used for protein synthesis (because of the extra insulin) but the blood

sugar doesn't drop to dangerously low levels, even if the meal was low in

carbohydrate.

As a result, blood glucose concentration remains reasonably stable during

protein metabolism. The insulin and glucagon essentially cancel each other out

in terms of their effect on blood glucose, while the insulin is still able to

promote protein synthesis.

But in people with diabetes, the release of glucagon without insulin or with

impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours after a

meal high in protein.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

> I have a question about what Nina just copied in for ....

>

> I found among Bee's articles, " Coconut Oil-Miracle Medicine and Diet Pill " ,

Further down the page, under the topic of " How your appetite can change " , states

that fat burning mode happens as a result of exercise or WHEN WE WAIT TO EAT! So

our hunger, that constant kind of nagging hunger, is our body NOT using fat

stores, instead is demanding new fuel while storing our fat fuel.

>

> At first I thought this meant that letting myself go hungry (maybe skipping

breakfast) would help me lose weight, but then it looks like it is saying that

doing that would cause our bodies NOT to use our fat stores. Do you know? You

know that if you tell us to go hungry, we will. : )

+++Hi Debbie,

Yes, that is true, but also we can also have a mind connection to hunger which

is a separate issue than what is happening physically. However, as you become

more healthy those mind issues are less and less able to influence you and make

you feel hungry.

You will go hungry if I tell you to? My goodness my dear, that puts a lot of

burden on me. lol!

I'd say if you are hungry and it doesn't make sense you should be, you should

get busy with something like cleaning your house. lol! Just kidding about

cleaning, but getting busy or distracted is good to do, i.e. take a bath, call a

friend, go out window shopping, read a book, watch comedy, take a walk outside,

etc.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nina. This is interesting. I too have been on the diet for around a year

and have gained around 30lbs which is somewhat depressing.

>

> For me, as a diabetic on insulin, the hormonal thing is always going to get in

the way a bit, but I am currently in the process of reducing my fat intake and

may well go over to just all meat and fat to see if that makes any difference.

******** Hi Alison, I have been on the All Meat and Fat program since September

2010. I have just begun to add a small amoung of zucchini squash to my diet. The

All Meat and Fat Program saw me through the early healing stages of a very

difficult and painful condition of Ulcerative Colitis. My colitis was extemely

effected by ANY carbs/fiber in my diet, and it was a tremendous relief to find

Bee's All Meat and Fat Program, which in essence gave this ex-vegetarian the

" permission " to finally give up all my ties to the foods that were preventing

healing (carbs & fiber). The inflammation has definetly decreased, and I have

decided that for me very soft zucchini was the place to start. I do not believe

that this minimal carb intake will add an additional burden to my struggle with

weight gain.

>

> I have not found my energy levels to have increased very significantly. They

go up and down every day - in the morning I drag myself up the stairs, but

sometimes in the evening I can run up them! My energy levels tend to run out

quite quickly too which again suggests my body just isn't releasing it's fat

stores for some reason.

*********Alison, I can identify to the fluctuating energy levels. Again, as I

said earlier, I think that my body is still in the process of learning to use

(burn) fat. See, I have't had much in the way of carbs/fiber for YEARS due to

the colitis, and I was already eating moderate proteins, what did change was the

quantity and types of fat I now consume. My body has never in its lifetime eaten

this much fat. In fact, (cringe) I was on the low-fat vegetarian band wagon for

years while raising six kids AFTER a childhood filled with episodes of anorexia.

I know that I will have to be patient and allow the diet to do its job healing

all the abuse and stress that I have placed on it.

> So I will try the lowered fat consumption first and see how that works, and

failing that will go over to the all meat and fat regime and see if that

triggers any weight loss.

**********I know that you will find what works for you. Try what you think is

best and see how you feel. Sometimes it's those areas in our health though that

need more time and patience in order to heal properly that seem to hold us up.

So don't blame yourself if things don't work the way you want them to. Just keep

plugging...the gains in other areas do provide some reassurance that we are

indeed headed in the right direction.

Nina

>

> Ali.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina.

Thanks for your reply.

It's interesting that you had Ulcerative Colitis. My main issue apart from the

diabetes - and one I suspect may have had a big factor in the onset of it,

is/was Celiac Disease.

My gut was very damaged and even though I had been pretty low-carb before

starting Bee's diet it seemed that my gut still hadn't healed. I don't believe

that I was absorbing the nutrients very well until fairly recently and suspect

it is still limited now.

Even after being on this diet for a year, I am still getting issues in my upper

left quadrant - inside my ribs on my left side - which I feel is digestion

related - it is usually better in the morning than in the evening after I have

eaten during the day. I don't know what it is or why, but it's almost as if

something swells up.

I just feel as though I am still looking for the missing link. Perhaps trying

the all meat and fat regime for a while may help. As this issue only appeared

to start 3 years ago after dumping gluten, dairy and most carbs - in the healing

scheme of things it ought to have been healed by now or at least be somewhat

better.

Maybe it was a problem for some time, but I didn't know because up to that point

I had had IBS-D for 12 years or so and it only manifest when my stools were more

formed - who knows? In any case, after a year on the diet it ought to be less

of a problem but it doesn't appear to be improving at all.

I have the most foul breath too - coming from my throat, and presumably

originating from my stomach/digestive tract. Every morning my mouth feels - and

smells like a sewage pit. I imagine it's toxins, or even maybe migrated colonic

bacteria but there has been no letup at all in all the 12 months and sometimes

it feels as though it will never go away! I get afraid to speak to or breathe on

anyone! That too has been with me for years and it is very embarrassing.

I KNOW this diet is very healing, but the one thing that I really want to heal -

my digestion and digestive tract - seems to be stubbornly resisting that. Until

my digestion works properly, I can't expect much in the way of healing to occur

anywhere else in my body!

Ali.

> >

> > Hi Nina. This is interesting. I too have been on the diet for around a

year and have gained around 30lbs which is somewhat depressing.

> >

> > For me, as a diabetic on insulin, the hormonal thing is always going to get

in the way a bit, but I am currently in the process of reducing my fat intake

and may well go over to just all meat and fat to see if that makes any

difference.

>

> ******** Hi Alison, I have been on the All Meat and Fat program since

September 2010. I have just begun to add a small amoung of zucchini squash to my

diet. The All Meat and Fat Program saw me through the early healing stages of a

very difficult and painful condition of Ulcerative Colitis. My colitis was

extemely effected by ANY carbs/fiber in my diet, and it was a tremendous relief

to find Bee's All Meat and Fat Program, which in essence gave this ex-vegetarian

the " permission " to finally give up all my ties to the foods that were

preventing healing (carbs & fiber). The inflammation has definetly decreased,

and I have decided that for me very soft zucchini was the place to start. I do

not believe that this minimal carb intake will add an additional burden to my

struggle with weight gain.

> >

> > I have not found my energy levels to have increased very significantly.

They go up and down every day - in the morning I drag myself up the stairs, but

sometimes in the evening I can run up them! My energy levels tend to run out

quite quickly too which again suggests my body just isn't releasing it's fat

stores for some reason.

>

> *********Alison, I can identify to the fluctuating energy levels. Again, as I

said earlier, I think that my body is still in the process of learning to use

(burn) fat. See, I have't had much in the way of carbs/fiber for YEARS due to

the colitis, and I was already eating moderate proteins, what did change was the

quantity and types of fat I now consume. My body has never in its lifetime eaten

this much fat. In fact, (cringe) I was on the low-fat vegetarian band wagon for

years while raising six kids AFTER a childhood filled with episodes of anorexia.

I know that I will have to be patient and allow the diet to do its job healing

all the abuse and stress that I have placed on it.

>

> > So I will try the lowered fat consumption first and see how that works, and

failing that will go over to the all meat and fat regime and see if that

triggers any weight loss.

>

> **********I know that you will find what works for you. Try what you think is

best and see how you feel. Sometimes it's those areas in our health though that

need more time and patience in order to heal properly that seem to hold us up.

So don't blame yourself if things don't work the way you want them to. Just keep

plugging...the gains in other areas do provide some reassurance that we are

indeed headed in the right direction.

>

> Nina

> >

> > Ali.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nina.

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> It's interesting that you had Ulcerative Colitis. My main issue apart from

the diabetes - and one I suspect may have had a big factor in the onset of it,

is/was Celiac Disease.

>

> My gut was very damaged and even though I had been pretty low-carb before

starting Bee's diet it seemed that my gut still hadn't healed. I don't believe

that I was absorbing the nutrients very well until fairly recently and suspect

it is still limited now.

>

> Even after being on this diet for a year, I am still getting issues in my

upper left quadrant - inside my ribs on my left side - which I feel is digestion

related - it is usually better in the morning than in the evening after I have

eaten during the day. I don't know what it is or why, but it's almost as if

something swells up.

***********Alison, I too have a type of swelling, you could even call it

bloating that seems to appear mid-day, stays with me until evening. Some days it

is worse than others, but generally I always manifest some poor digestion

symptom during the day. What has been a tremendous help to me is the small bit

of bone broth I have with each meal. I don't have much, maybe 1/2 a cup or so,

but I digest much better with it than without it. Have you tried anything like

broth to help ease digestion?

>

> I just feel as though I am still looking for the missing link. Perhaps trying

the all meat and fat regime for a while may help. As this issue only appeared

to start 3 years ago after dumping gluten, dairy and most carbs - in the healing

scheme of things it ought to have been healed by now or at least be somewhat

better.

>

> Maybe it was a problem for some time, but I didn't know because up to that

point I had had IBS-D for 12 years or so and it only manifest when my stools

were more formed - who knows? In any case, after a year on the diet it ought to

be less of a problem but it doesn't appear to be improving at all.

**********You know, before I was ever aware that I was headed towards devasting

health problems, I remember having " tenderness " in areas that I now recognize as

those areas with significant inflammation and pain. I was young and never gave

it much thought. I have struggled with excema my whole life as well, now that I

am on this diet, the usually anoying symptoms are MUCH WORSE, often to the point

that I feel my skin become raw from all the scratching.

>

> I have the most foul breath too - coming from my throat, and presumably

originating from my stomach/digestive tract. Every morning my mouth feels - and

smells like a sewage pit. I imagine it's toxins, or even maybe migrated colonic

bacteria but there has been no letup at all in all the 12 months and sometimes

it feels as though it will never go away! I get afraid to speak to or breathe on

anyone! That too has been with me for years and it is very embarrassing.

*******My heart goes out to you Alison, I know that these embarrassing symptoms

can truly suck the life out of you sometimes so I thought I would share with you

that sometimes my body will decide to give off a bad odor right in the middle of

my day. Out of nowhere it seems, I will be at work and notice a smell everywhere

I go, it doesn't take me long to recognize that it's coming from me. We have a

retail business and constantly recieve customers all day long. The body odor,

and gas issues, can sometimes make me feel like hiding too. So hang in there,

OK?

>

> I KNOW this diet is very healing, but the one thing that I really want to heal

- my digestion and digestive tract - seems to be stubbornly resisting that.

Until my digestion works properly, I can't expect much in the way of healing to

occur anywhere else in my body!

***********Actually Alison, I think you may be improving more than you think.

Sometimes we want a specific area to heal. I know that is true for me. I am

often consumed with the need to see a particular area show signs of healing,

like for instance, my toenails. Some of them look awful, and continue to look

awful despite all these months on the diet. Yet, I look at my fingernails, they

are longer and healthier than they have EVER been. So, despite my poor

digestion, or my desire to see other areas healed, this IS a wonderful sign, not

huge in the context of all my symptoms, but proof that I am absorbing nutrients

and they ARE being used by the body to build health!

" Healing hugs, "

Nina

> Ali.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali and Nina

I have been following your conversation with interest.

I've had Crohn's disease for 15 years. I started Bee's Diet in April 2010 and

although I noticed some improvements, it wasn't until I switched to the all meat

and fat program in Sept that I began to experience significant improvements to

my digestive problems. If I don't strictly keep to the meat/fat program the

Crohn's symptoms return.

I would highly recommend you switch to the meat/fat diet, Ali. The difference

for me was quite remarkable.

Best wishes....Joan

>

> I just feel as though I am still looking for the missing link. Perhaps trying

the all meat and fat regime for a while may help. As this issue only appeared

to start 3 years ago after dumping gluten, dairy and most carbs - in the healing

scheme of things it ought to have been healed by now or at least be somewhat

better.

>

> I KNOW this diet is very healing, but the one thing that I really want to heal

- my digestion and digestive tract - seems to be stubbornly resisting that.

Until my digestion works properly, I can't expect much in the way of healing to

occur anywhere else in my body!

>

> Ali.

>> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the encouragement Nina - I really appreciate it...

Ali.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Joan. I have decided to go with it - I enjoyed my turkey patties this

morning...LOL

Ali.

>

> Hi Ali and Nina

>

> I have been following your conversation with interest.

>

> I've had Crohn's disease for 15 years. I started Bee's Diet in April 2010 and

although I noticed some improvements, it wasn't until I switched to the all meat

and fat program in Sept that I began to experience significant improvements to

my digestive problems. If I don't strictly keep to the meat/fat program the

Crohn's symptoms return.

>

> I would highly recommend you switch to the meat/fat diet, Ali. The difference

for me was quite remarkable.

>

> Best wishes....Joan

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Ali and Nina

>

> I have been following your conversation with interest.

>

> I've had Crohn's disease for 15 years. I started Bee's Diet in April 2010 and

although I noticed some improvements, it wasn't until I switched to the all meat

and fat program in Sept that I began to experience significant improvements to

my digestive problems. If I don't strictly keep to the meat/fat program the

Crohn's symptoms return.

>

> I would highly recommend you switch to the meat/fat diet, Ali. The difference

for me was quite remarkable.

>

> Best wishes....Joan

>

********I agree Joan, for healing, the meat and fat program is an exceptional

way to go. I don't believe I would have experienced the significant amount of

healing from pain & inflammation without it. Although I did gain 30 lbs. during

my 8 months on this program, I wouldn't trade the tremendous healing I have

experienced to lose any of it.

Nina

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina,

Thanks so much for the encouragement.

Unfortunately I don't really understand why you found this article so

helpful. To me it suggests that by eating large amounts of coconut oil and

having lowered glucose in the blood, as we do on this diet, we should lose

weight and feel great.

From the coconut oil article you mentioned:

" The lack of glucose, in turn, causes fat cells to release fatty acids

instead of storing them.[Guyton, 866] It's an interesting mechanism. When

sugar is present in the blood, fat cells tend to store fat.

" But when it's absent, fat cells tend to release fat. They're simply

optimizing things in attempt to keep your energy levels constant. The fats

are then burned, in a process known as hydrolysis.

" So one interesting and useful effect of replacing other fats in your diet

with coconut oil, over time, is to increase the amount of fat that is

released as result of the lowered glucose levels -- even though your energy

level is still high from the medium chain fatty acids you're burning for

energy.

" In essence, your body is reacting to the low-sugar state that triggers it

to burn fat, only you aren't experiencing the fatigue and hunger you

normally associate with low blood sugar. "

This is definitely not my experience!

Maybe I'm missing something?

Anyway, thanks for the support. It at least helps to know I'm not alone

here.

Much love,

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Nina <nina.gonzales46@...>wrote:

>

>

>

>

> *********Hi , I think you & I started around the same time. I too

> have gained about 30 lbs., and like you, I am concerned as to why it

> continues to increase despite my efforts to slightly decrease my fats as per

> Bee's suggestion. Funny thing though, while searching to find something to

> reach out to you and provide encouragement, I needed it too, I found among

> Bee's articles, " Coconut Oil-Miracle Medicine and Diet Pill " , Further down

> the page, under the topic of " How your appetite can change " , states that fat

> burning mode happens as a result of exercise or WHEN WE WAIT TO EAT! So our

> hunger, that constant kind of nagging hunger, is our body NOT using fat

> stores, instead is demanding new fuel while storing our fat fuel. I do

> beleive this has something to do with our hormonal balance which is

> mentioned in the article as well. PLEASE, PLEASE read this article and see

> if you can identify with it as much as I did!

>

> Let me know, OK dear! I found it enlightening.

> >

> Snip

>

>

>

> ***********Me too ! I have been on Bee's program since Aug. 2010. I

> don't believe I have switched over yet either. I do find that my appetitie

> is stablizing but it seems to shift very slowly and not consistently. Some

> days I'm hungrier than others, but I am thinking that during my hungriest of

> days, are often linked to days with the most symptoms. What do you think?

>

> >

> >

> **************Please don't give up. I struggle too, but the healing that

> has taken place, encourages me to keep moving forward despite the very

> discouraging symptoms that remain.

>

> Keep perservering!

> Nina

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ali, Nina, Joan, et. al.,

Maybe I should go back on the all meat and fat diet and see if that helps

with the anxiety, fatigue, insomnia, nausea, etc? I was on it for 2 months

and it didn't seem to help, but Bee said it could take longer than that to

see a difference. Sigh...

Thanks

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nina,

>

> Thanks so much for the encouragement.

>

> Unfortunately I don't really understand why you found this article so

> helpful. To me it suggests that by eating large amounts of coconut oil and

> having lowered glucose in the blood, as we do on this diet, we should lose

> weight and feel great.

>

****Hi ,

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. Maybe it's because I wrote without

thinking things through first. The only angle that I wanted to touch on was the

sentence that explained that Fat Burning mode was triggered as a result of

either, " exercise or waiting to eat " . I interpeted this to mean that a constant

need to eat could mean that fat is not being burned, but rather stored. Hence,

we gain weight because we are consuming frequent meals to try to replenish

energy levels that should be taken care of by the fats from our previous meals.

During my first few months on the all the Meat and Fat, I could not last more

than 3 hours between meals before I needed to fuel up again. Now, those days are

dwindling, and I am becoming satisfied with the three meals per day Bee

recommends. Same calories, same fats, same protein levels. Only now there is a

greater span between meals. Is this my body learning to engage in fat burning,

and thus at some point will stablize the weight gain? I don't know.

This article also included that hormones and hydration seem to have an effect on

this process as well. Since I know that my hormones are off kilter, all the

pieces seemed to briefly come together, and I thought I had something to help

explain some of the weight gain, and possibly help you feel more in control (and

me too).

Sorry, for the confusion.

Nina

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Ali, Nina, Joan, et. al.,

>

> Maybe I should go back on the all meat and fat diet and see if that helps

> with the anxiety, fatigue, insomnia, nausea, etc? I was on it for 2 months

> and it didn't seem to help, but Bee said it could take longer than that to

> see a difference. Sigh...

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

*******I think you should give it a go . Be patient with yourself. I

know your symptoms are difficult. See if you can rest in the knowledge that you

are providing the best for your body, and your body is working very hard to

provide its best for you.

Nina

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nina,

>

> Thanks so much for the encouragement.

>

> Unfortunately I don't really understand why you found this article so

> helpful. To me it suggests that by eating large amounts of coconut oil and

> having lowered glucose in the blood, as we do on this diet, we should lose

> weight and feel great.

>

> From the coconut oil article you mentioned:

>

> " The lack of glucose, in turn, causes fat cells to release fatty acids

> instead of storing them.[Guyton, 866] It's an interesting mechanism. When

> sugar is present in the blood, fat cells tend to store fat.

>

> " But when it's absent, fat cells tend to release fat. They're simply

> optimizing things in attempt to keep your energy levels constant. The fats

> are then burned, in a process known as hydrolysis.

>

> " So one interesting and useful effect of replacing other fats in your diet

> with coconut oil, over time, is to increase the amount of fat that is

> released as result of the lowered glucose levels -- even though your energy

> level is still high from the medium chain fatty acids you're burning for

> energy.

>

> " In essence, your body is reacting to the low-sugar state that triggers it

> to burn fat, only you aren't experiencing the fatigue and hunger you

> normally associate with low blood sugar. "

>

> This is definitely not my experience!

>

> Maybe I'm missing something?

+++Hi ,

As I wrote to you before, I strongly believe your body has not had enough time

to balance itself, which are mainly due to hormonal issues.

You took birth control pills up until 7 years ago and took them for about 6

years. Not only do hormones interfere more with healing, but also your body

will not start " retracing them " until you've been on my program for at least 7

months and maybe longer. It may be longer because it takes the body more time

to balance hormones particularly since you've taken birth control pills.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Ali, Nina, Joan, et. al.,

>

> Maybe I should go back on the all meat and fat diet and see if that helps

> with the anxiety, fatigue, insomnia, nausea, etc? I was on it for 2 months

> and it didn't seem to help, but Bee said it could take longer than that to

> see a difference. Sigh...

+++Hi ,

IF you are 100% on my program all of your symptoms and reactions are because

your body is healing and detoxifying itself, going in reverse of the disease

processes.

I've explained on the group many times. All disease processes are exactly the

same as healing and detoxifying processes created by the body itself in an

effort to maintain its health, in spite of poor nutrition, toxins, etc.

As Taubes writes in his book Good Calories, Bad Calories, p. 142:

" . . .the fundamental feature of all living organisms is the interdependence of

the parts of the body to the whole . . . "

" . . .all physiological systems [body processes] have to work together to assure

survival. "

" . . all of the vital mechanisms [processes], however varied they may be, have

only one object, that of preserving constant the conditions of life in the

internal environment. "

However, the medical industry labels each and every " sign " of poor health as

separate dis-eases, illnesses, symptoms, syndromes, etc. which are actually

normal body reactions and processes. In other words, they are simply " signs " the

body is attempting to restore its own balance.

As Florence Nightengale, the famous nurse, says: " There are no specific

diseases; there are [only] specific disease conditions. "

People on this healthy program are giving their bodies what they need to become

healthy, so they are now able to progress towards health rather than become more

and more unhealthy, or dis-eased.

It takes time and patience, and in the meantime you " know " you are following

Nature's Laws on Health and Healing so you are going uphill towards health.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina,

Sorry, I got behind in emails!

Okay, I see what you're saying. This is close to what Taubes

writes in " Why We Get Fat. " That we don't get fat from eating too

much, but getting fat makes us eat too much. In other words, our fat

regulating mechanisms are out of whack, our bodies need to store fat,

and that makes our appetites increase to fuel our bodies (and our fat

cells).

Thanks for sharing with the group.

On april 21, nina wrote:

****Hi ,

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. Maybe it's because I wrote

without thinking things through first. The only angle that I wanted to

touch on was the sentence that explained that Fat Burning mode was

triggered as a result of either, " exercise or waiting to eat " . I

interpeted this to mean that a constant need to eat could mean that

fat is not being burned, but rather stored. Hence, we gain weight

because we are consuming frequent meals to try to replenish energy

levels that should be taken care of by the fats from our previous

meals.

During my first few months on the all the Meat and Fat, I could not

last more than 3 hours between meals before I needed to fuel up again.

Now, those days are dwindling, and I am becoming satisfied with the

three meals per day Bee recommends. Same calories, same fats, same

protein levels. Only now there is a greater span between meals. Is

this my body learning to engage in fat burning, and thus at some point

will stablize the weight gain? I don't know.

This article also included that hormones and hydration seem to have an

effect on this process as well. Since I know that my hormones are off

kilter, all the pieces seemed to briefly come together, and I thought

I had something to help explain some of the weight gain, and possibly

help you feel more in control (and me too).

Sorry, for the confusion.

Nina

[Guest guest]

>>> Article:

>

> In a person without diabetes, a rise in blood amino acid concentration (the

result of protein metabolism) stimulates the secretion of both glucagon and

insulin, so their blood sugar remains stable. But in people with diabetes, the

release of glucagon without impaired insulin response can cause our blood sugar

to rise several hours after a meal high in protein.<<

Bee, I guess I'm feeling rather thick, but I've read this article several times

and, while I see the above stated twice, I can't tell if there is anything a

diabetic is to DO about the rise in blood sugar. Are you stating the rise in

blood sugar after a meal high in protein is 'normal' and to be expected? Or is

it because their fat intake isn't high enough?

Thanks for your patient clarification!