Re: don't seem to be healing (Bee, question on your article)

[Guest guest]

> But in people with diabetes, the release of glucagon without insulin or with

impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours after a

meal high in protein.

Bee - I know a gal to whom this happens and her solution was to lower her

protein intake, which is very low to begin with.

I know reducing protein is not the correct solution, but what is?

[Guest guest]

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> > But in people with diabetes, the release of glucagon without insulin or with

impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours after a

meal high in protein.

>

> Bee - I know a gal to whom this happens and her solution was to lower her

protein intake, which is very low to begin with.

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> I know reducing protein is not the correct solution, but what is?

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+++Hi ,

The correct solution is to increase protein and ensure she gets high good fats

and low carbs.

For the benefit of other members, here's the information I posted:

Insulin lowers the blood sugar, while glucagon (also a hormone) raises it [both

hormones are produced by the pancreas].

[bee Note: Carbs stimulate insulin to maintain blood sugar levels, while protein

stimulates both hormones at the same time, which balance each other out as it

says below.]

In the non-diabetic state, the release of these two opposing hormones ensures

that the amino acids [from protein] are used for protein synthesis (because of

the extra insulin) but the blood sugar doesn't drop to dangerously low levels,

even if the meal was low in

carbohydrate.

As a result, blood glucose concentration remains reasonably stable during

protein metabolism. The insulin and glucagon essentially cancel each other out

in terms of their effect on blood glucose, while the insulin is still able to

promote protein synthesis.

But in people with diabetes, the release of glucagon without insulin or with

impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours after a

meal high in protein.

All the best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee wrote this to Colleen a while ago that i found helpful, too:

>>There is a period of time you will experience more hunger when

your body is still " trying to " switch over from running on carbs/sugars to

running on good fats. Once the switch is made, you won't have such hunger

pangs, nor the extra weight.

Both the anticipation of carbohydrates and the actual eating of them cause our

bodies to secrete the hormone insulin which deposits both fatty acids and

glucose in fat tissue and it keeps those calories trapped in fat tissue once

they get there.

As long as we respond to carbohydrates by secreting more insulin, we continue to

move nutrients from our bloodstream in expectation of the arrival of more, so we

remain hungry or at least not fulfilled.

During this transition the body is expecting to deal with glucose but there is

none coming in the diet, and so there is still too much insulin in the

circulation. The liver will not give up its glycogen (storage form of glucose)

due to high insulin in circulation, which would help to stabilize blood sugar if

it were released, and our blood sugar drops. Even if we eat fat and protein, the

insulin will serve to store those nutrients rather than allow them to be used

for fuel.

In other words insulin induces hunger and prevents satiety, even though fats

easily satiate the appetite once your body switches over, but that takes time.

Once your body changes over, and doesn't secrete insulin as an automatic

response so you won't feel so hungry, and your weight will decrease.

My reference is about obesity, but the principles of changing over from

carbs/glucose to good fats is the same:

http://zerocarbforlife.com/Hunger.html

It is okay to eat more protein as long as you intake enough fats,<<

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> Dr Wolfgang Lutz had an interesting explanation on those gut-wrenching hunger

pangs. He maintained that eating too many carbs upsets the balance of the

stomach acid production, and it can produce acid even when it is empty. The

acid in the stomach likely triggers the 'hunger' pangs to demand food to buffer

the acid in the empty stomach.

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> Have you tried dumping the carbs altogether and trying the all-meat and fat

regime?

>

> Ali.

[Guest guest]

Insulin resistance doesn't sound right Jess. If you were more resistant then

your BS should rise even more than normal. The fact that it is dropping after

you have eaten seems to suggest that the insulin has already kicked in to bring

it back down.

I am not sure that this is the answer to your cold extremities after eating, but

my take on it is that perhaps - if your digestion is struggling, your body is

drawing the blood from your extremities to aid in the digestive process.

The fact that you are still feeling hungry suggests that something is not right

with your digestion.

Dr Wolfgang Lutz had an interesting explanation on those gut-wrenching hunger

pangs. He maintained that eating too many carbs upsets the balance of the

stomach acid production, and it can produce acid even when it is empty. The

acid in the stomach likely triggers the 'hunger' pangs to demand food to buffer

the acid in the empty stomach.

Have you tried dumping the carbs altogether and trying the all-meat and fat

regime?

Ali.

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> > with impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours

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> > Bee - I know a gal to whom this happens and her solution was to lower her

> > protein intake, which is very low to begin with.

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> > I know reducing protein is not the correct solution, but what is?

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> > > But in people with diabetes, the release of glucagon without insulin or

> > with impaired insulin response can cause blood sugar to rise several hours

> > after a meal high in protein.

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> > Bee - I know a gal to whom this happens and her solution was to lower her

> > protein intake, which is very low to begin with.

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> > I know reducing protein is not the correct solution, but what is?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jess.

I think that some of us are particularly affected by carbs in any form. I know I

am. I am diabetic so my my carb tolerance is impaired anyway, but I suspect that

an overgrowth of the wrong bacteria in the gut - possibly even colonic bacteria

that has migrated from the colon into the small intestine, may well be the

culprit.

When we consume more carbs than the digestion can cope with, it encourages

yeasts and carb-loving bacteria to proliferate. Things like antibiotics can also

contribute to the imbalance.

I have seen several members say that it wasn't until they started the all meat

and fat program that they really felt they were moving forward.

I started it yesterday, but even in just two days things seem easier. Four

months is still early days and if you have gut damage it may take a while for

your digestive tract to start absorbing the nutrition properly. I know it is

hard but sometimes the only thing to do is to stick at it.

I had a lot of gas for the first 9 months, but it is starting to ease now. I

was feeling a bit despondent a couple of days ago but was recommended going over

to all meat and fat and so far it's looking good. I have also been told that my

long sight has marginally improved since my last visit a year ago, and I have

just realised that the verrucas (plantar warts) I have had on the soles of my

feet for several years are shriveling up. Maybe only trivial things - but

positive nonetheless.

I suspect that although it may be slow to start with due to the extreme

deficiencies and the degree of toxins, the further one gets into the healing

process, the faster healing will take place.

It can take up to 4 months for the body to change over to fat-burning properly -

and maybe in some people even a bit longer. You have to remember too that

sugars are likely to have been stored all around your body and as it starts to

heal they may well gradually get pulled out and be floating around the body for

a while until the body can dispose of them. My fasting BS levels have been

higher too for some time even though I was only eating a relatively small amount

of carbs.

I am hoping that getting off them completely and removing all sources of

carbohydrate will now sort the beggars out!

As for the hunger feelings, it probably isn't hunger, but reactions due to the

imbalances and the gas. I used to get that for a while after starting the diet,

but when I would burpit would go away. That gut-gnawing feeling is not true

hunger. As it is likely to be the rogue gut bacteria and/or the acid imbalance

in your stomach - or even from something in the stomach like Helicobacter -

which could be producing gas in rebellion against your change of diet, then

perhaps removing all carbs for a while may help.

Why do you think it would make you lose your mind???

At the end of the day we have to do what we have to do to get our bodies working

properly. Time and time again people have shown that sticking with Bee's

protocol eventually yields results - but sometimes you have to go backwards

before you can go forwards....

No one said that the path to good health would be easy.....:0D

Regards, Ali.

PS. Try not to panic. Prior to Bee's diet I thought that the movements I could

feel in my back were parasites. So I was throwing all sorts of parasitic herbs

and stuff down my throat, and made myself quite ill. I now know that what I can

feel is just the workings of my liver and/or pancreas. I wouldn't normally be

able to feel these 'movements' but because of gas and swelling in my gut

everything is pushed up higher than it should be and my liver is pushed against

my back. Now I know what it is I am not freaked by it any more. As my gut heals

everything will hopefully start to go back down. It is slightly easier than it

has been for a while so I am hopeful.

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> Hi Ali,

>

> Yes, I believe there is something definitely wrong with my digestion. I have

> been burping for a year now and it has nothing to do with eating uncooked

> carbs/veggies. I make sure to make everything soft and mushy. I also don't

> have a problem with my weight.

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> No, I have not tried the all meat/fat program. It's only been 4 months that

> I have been on diet. I don't know if I could handle it. I am afraid that I

> may lose my mind and completely go off track. If I wanted to, I could just

> keep eating all day and not get full. It's pretty insane but I don't, I wait

> 5 hours for my next meal and fitday for ratios.

>

> I just don't understand why my fasting BS is higher now that I don't eat any

> complex carbs and only protein, veggies and fats. I cheated (at night and

> not sugar) last week after not cheating in 3 months and the next morning my

> BS was in the 100's. In the past I could of eaten a ton of real sugar/carbs

> and the next morning my BS would not be that high. This is why I am confused

> and my body apparently is confused. If I take my BS at home first thing in

> the morning it is in the upper 90's the past few days If I go to the Dr's

> office to get it done by the time I get there it is 65. So, the doc tells me

> my BS is low. I am at a lost. I really think there is something in my body

> causing this confusion. A naturopath had told me I had some type of lyme co

> infection, parasites/microbes and heavy metal/aluminum toxicity. I am really

> started to believe this is the culprit. I'm really confused by all of

> this. I'm still going to keep trying though.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Jess

[Guest guest]

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> Hi Jess.

>

> I think that some of us are particularly affected by carbs in any form. I know

I am. I am diabetic so my my carb tolerance is impaired anyway, but I suspect

that an overgrowth of the wrong bacteria in the gut - possibly even colonic

bacteria that has migrated from the colon into the small intestine, may well be

the culprit.

+++Hi Ali. Sorry, but it is not true that bacteria or any other kinds of bugs

migrate to any where other than where your body creates them.

>

> When we consume more carbs than the digestion can cope with, it encourages

yeasts and carb-loving bacteria to proliferate. Things like antibiotics can also

contribute to the imbalance.

Cheers, Bee