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, surely he mis-spoke, because NO ONE can live on 400 calories a

day! Do you like this doctor? If yes, can you call him and ask what

*exactly* he wants you to do? Because I'm very confused after reading

your post--usually diabetic diets are lower in carbs...at least, my

grandpa's was. I'm certainly no expert, though.

I'm so happy that your blood test came back so well! That's fantastic

news, :)

Okay, here's my advice, for what it's worth. You know what you have

to do to lose weight...you've lost so much already. Don't worry about

how quickly or slowly it comes off--the goal is to establish healthy

habits that you can follow for the rest of your life. Truthfully, I'd

say just do what you've done up to this point to lose weight--you

didn't didn't anything outlandish, you just watched what/how much you

ate and added in exercise. That's the healthiest way to do it (as

well as the safest way to do it).

If it were me, I'd pretty much ignore the '400 calories a day' bit and

get back on your plan as best you can. Because really, even if he DID

say 400/day--there's just no way. I eat 300-400 just in my snack

before exercise and breakfast.

But if you're really worried about what he said, call him. No matter

what, though, YOU know what works for YOU. Trust yourself...you

already know what's best.

-Bonnie

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is *very* flaky the past few days and I know that I'm not

getting a fraction of the messages that post, and I know some messages

I've sent aren't getting posted, so I'm replying to this both on-line

via the web site and directly to you via my email account.

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> The doctor said he doesn't want me following what the diabetic

clinic taught me to do to eat.

Then why did he bother to send you to the *experts*?

> but he wanted to see me losing weight faster.

Warning signs should be flashing right about now. A *safe* and

*healthy* weight loss is 2-3 pounds a week, with the occasional week

of only 1 pound losses or even no loss, and every few weeks a pleaeau

or slight gain as your body gets used to its new size. If any doc

wants you to lose weight faster than that for a long stretch and

expects it to stay off permanently he's nuts.

> He said I should be only having 400 calories within 24 hours.

He's LOONEY in capital letters!

Did my message make it through yesterday about how *nobody* shold eat

less than 1400 calories a day because our bodies - of any size, not

just us big gals - need around that much minimally to fuel our brains

and body organs and for basic locomotion? A short period of 1000 or

less - like a week - can jumpstart weight loss in individuals who are

stuck on a plateau or just starting out as an incentive, but no way

can a human body survive on only 400 calories a day. Even when I

worked in the hospital and had comatose people who needed tube

feedings, their formulas were made to be anywhere from 1200 cal and

up, depending on their age and size.

> Does that make sense to you? Can some one really live on 400

calories a day?

Nope. Not for more than a few days. You read about people on fasts who

survive on that little, but even then it's a short period of time and

they're *very* weak afterwards.

> Surely he mis-spoke. Maybe he meant 1400 calories within 24 hours.

Before you do *anything* else I would 1) call the office and ask for

verification, then 2) make an appointment with the diabetic clinic to

discuss your food plan with them again.

> He told me if I eat like he says I will be dropping weight like crazy.

And you'll have a permanent appointment with him as your body starts

to break down and fall apart as your organs start failing from lack of

nutrition. Even Ann, who is post-op WLS, is eating more calories

than that!

> I don't know whether to do what I have been doing in the past

following the diabetic clinic's instructions

I say go with the diabetic clinic. They *are* the medical experts.

Remember, what you eat and how much you exercise affects your blood

sugar levels, and since you want to keep that sugar under control,

it's the diabetic clinic you should be reporting to and listening to.

Remember, YOU are hiring the doctor, you are not a slave to him. If it

were me, I would listen to the instructions the diabetes clinic gave

you, and on on my next visit to them, ask for referrals to another

doctor to handle your general care, as this guy is definitely nuts,

especially if he tells you to ignore what the experts are telling you

to do.

Can you tell I have a great admiration and put a lot of faith in the

people who work at diabetes clinics? It's for a reason. I know around

here, at least, the people who work there are specially trained, many

have advanced degrees, and everyone has to go frequently to continuing

education classes to keep up to date in the field. Most family doctors

don't appear to. Not all, just most that I've run into over the years.

If I were to become diabetic and was sent to a diabetes clinic for

instruction, I would take their word over that of my doctor, any day.

Sue in NJ

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I don't say this word, very often, with out it being after prayer, but all I

have to say is, AMEN, Sue!!!!!!

This sound ssooo scary to me, I would be running the other way!

I have to tell you. Doctors are not, God, nor are they all knowing.

Most only specialize in one area. And nutrition is not that area!

If your diabetic clinic said one thing, they are the experts in diabetes, and

usually nutrition for diabetics.

400 calories....does he want you to go into a hypoglycemic induced

coma??????????

Diabetics need at least 30 carbs per a meal and 15 more carbs per a snack. That

is at least.....and really should have more!

Let me tell you my own tale of woe with a doctor. I had this doctor, who was

supposedly very education. In fact, he was the doctor at the medical school who

" trained " the interns!

One day, I asked him, how to lose weight. Now mind you, I had at the time at

least 80 pounds to lose. He said, to only eat tuna, nothing but plain tuna till

I got to the weight I desired. YEAH RIGHT! Some one with 80 pounds to lose,

would stick to that for life! Uh huh!

Then.....when I was 15. I was having asthma problems. I had went to him about

them. And he gave me a prescription. The next week, I noticed a weird and odd

rash, in my pubic area. Hmm, scary! So I finally went to my mom when it didn't

go away. She looked at it, and said for sure we needed to see the doctor. We go

back to the doctor. He looks at it. Leaves the room for a few seconds, comes

back in and looks sad, and sighs, and proceeds to say " Mom, this kind of rash

only comes from one of two things. Steroids, or birth control. And I don't think

" our " is on steriods. (I was a short fat girl, that did what I could to

get out of gym). So that only leaves the birth control. " I said, but I'm

not!!!!!! He said that's the only two things that cause this. I think steam was

literally coming out of my mom's ears. I was scared to death to go home with

her. And I was NOT, I repeat NOT on birth control pills!!!!!! I started bawling.

My mom was so mad, she couldn't speak, and just gave me that angry glare, like I

was getting beat when we got home.

We got to the car, where thank god my step father was waiting for us. And he is

mild tempered and rational! And I was bawling, and mom was fuming! He said, what

is wrong?????? Mom wouldn't utter a word. So bawling through it all, I told him

what was said. He said, ok girls, let's just calm down and go to the pharmacy,

she was on a rx, just a couple of weeks ago. Let's make sure it didn't have

steriods in it. We go to the pharmacy....and what do they prescribe for

asthma???? Steriods. The pharmasist......said my last rx, was nothing but pure

steriods!!!!!

That was when I knew, some doctors were just idiots, I don't care what they

think!

And sometimes, you just have to use your own common sense! And run, when

something doesn't sound right. Honey, you need a new doctor. Any doctor knows,

no more then 2 pounds per a week is healthy weight loss! If you want to lose all

your muscle mass, and have a metabolism that is slower then a hippo.....you

could try it. But, you will just be putting your health, and your metabolism

down the toilet.

Remember weight loss is weight loss, fast in this case is not better. Learning a

new life style you can stick with for life, is what will help you lose and keep

it off.

I don't know any one who could stick to 400 calories a day. And for a

diabetic.....I think it would put you right into a low so low, that you could go

into a coma!!!!!! And lows for diabetics, are much much much more dangerous then

highs. More diabetics die from lows then highs!

Even people who have had the weight loss surgery are encouraged to drink things

like protien shakes, etc to keep their metab going and some vitamins, and

calories needed! How in the world would you get all your vitamins and minerals

you need in only 400 calories. I'm sorry but that man is a idiot!

>From: sue_in_nj <susang3@...>

>Date: Sat May 06 07:10:25 CDT 2006

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>,

> is *very* flaky the past few days and I know that I'm not

>getting a fraction of the messages that post, and I know some messages

>I've sent aren't getting posted, so I'm replying to this both on-line

>via the web site and directly to you via my email account.

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>> The doctor said he doesn't want me following what the diabetic

>clinic taught me to do to eat.

>

>Then why did he bother to send you to the *experts*?

>

>

>> but he wanted to see me losing weight faster.

>

>Warning signs should be flashing right about now. A *safe* and

>*healthy* weight loss is 2-3 pounds a week, with the occasional week

>of only 1 pound losses or even no loss, and every few weeks a pleaeau

>or slight gain as your body gets used to its new size. If any doc

>wants you to lose weight faster than that for a long stretch and

>expects it to stay off permanently he's nuts.

>

>

>> He said I should be only having 400 calories within 24 hours.

>

>He's LOONEY in capital letters!

>

>Did my message make it through yesterday about how *nobody* shold eat

>less than 1400 calories a day because our bodies - of any size, not

>just us big gals - need around that much minimally to fuel our brains

>and body organs and for basic locomotion?  A short period of 1000 or

>less - like a week - can jumpstart weight loss in individuals who are

>stuck on a plateau or just starting out as an incentive, but no way

>can a human body survive on only 400 calories a day. Even when I

>worked in the hospital and had comatose people who needed tube

>feedings, their formulas were made to be anywhere from 1200 cal and

>up, depending on their age and size.

>

>

>> Does that make sense to you?  Can some one really live on 400

>calories a day?

>

>

>Nope. Not for more than a few days. You read about people on fasts who

>survive on that little, but even then it's a short period of time and

>they're *very* weak afterwards.

>

>> Surely he mis-spoke.  Maybe he meant 1400 calories within 24 hours.

>

>Before you do *anything* else I would 1) call the office and ask for

>verification, then 2) make an appointment with the diabetic clinic to

>discuss your food plan with them again.

>

>

>>  He told me if I eat like he says I will be dropping weight like crazy.

>

>And you'll have a permanent appointment with him as your body starts

>to break down and fall apart as your organs start failing from lack of

>nutrition. Even Ann, who is post-op WLS, is eating more calories

>than that!

>

>

>> I don't know whether to do what I have been doing in the past

>following the diabetic clinic's instructions

>

>I say go with the diabetic clinic. They *are* the medical experts.

>Remember, what you eat and how much you exercise affects your blood

>sugar levels, and since you want to keep that sugar under control,

>it's the diabetic clinic you should be reporting to and listening to.

>

>Remember, YOU are hiring the doctor, you are not a slave to him. If it

>were me, I would listen to the instructions the diabetes clinic gave

>you, and on on my next visit to them, ask for referrals to another

>doctor to handle your general care, as this guy is definitely nuts,

>especially if he tells you to ignore what the experts are telling you

>to do.

>

>Can you tell I have a great admiration and put a lot of faith in the

>people who work at diabetes clinics? It's for a reason. I know around

>here, at least, the people who work there are specially trained, many

>have advanced degrees, and everyone has to go frequently to continuing

>education classes to keep up to date in the field. Most family doctors

>don't appear to. Not all, just most that I've run into over the years.

>If I were to become diabetic and was sent to a diabetes clinic for

>instruction, I would take their word over that of my doctor, any day.

>

>

>Sue in NJ

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The doctor said he doesn't want me following what the diabetic clinic taught me to do to eat. He said they have you eat too many carbs. Then he said something that just doesn't make much sense to me. He said he was proud of me for losing weight, but he wanted to see me losing weight faster.I can't believe a doctor is telling you to lose weight faster.I have never heard of that coming from a medical person.They usually tell you no more then 2 pounds a week. I will say I have heard of a doctor prescribing a low calories such as 800 calories to be followed only for a week to give you a big weight loss to be like a confidence booster. But even if that is what he was doing...400 calories still seem way to low even for that! He said I should be only having 400 calories within 24 hours. Does that make sense to you? Can some one really live on 400 calories a day? Surely he mis-spoke.My thoughts exactly. I bet he misspoke but after his comment of wanting you to lose faster. I don't know. I would call his office and tell them that you have spoke to several people and they was all saying there had to be a misunderstanding and you just want to verify how many calories he wanted you on. Maybe he meant 1400 calories within 24 hours. I could see 1400 calories. I have even heard of 1200 or 1000. But never had I ever heard of a doctor prescribing under 1000. The 1200 and 1000 isnt prescribed often I don't think. I couldn't believe it when he said 400 calories. I was so dumbstruck that I didn't ask him if he meant 1400 calories.I'm still sitting here shaking my head...It had to be 1400. Like I said I would call him. You shouldnt have to go into his office just pick up the phone and call. They may have to return your call but I would sure try and clarify that. I personally wouldn't even attempt to try anything that low. Shoot the liquid diets and fasts are 500 calories! He told me if I eat like he says I will be dropping weight like crazy.Well yeah....You'll be dropping weight all right but you'll drop first. I think he is crazy if he thinks I am going to eat just 400 calories a day. I don't know what to do.I'd ask for verifaction first to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding, then if he sticks to that I personally would consider getting a second opinion. I don't know whether to do what I have been doing in the past following the diabetic clinic's instructions or to do Weight Watchers or to eat around 1400 calories. I just can't see me trying to eat 400 calories a day. I can't either. Too me that is just much too low.I tried to do Weight Watchers not too long ago, but it was hard to do with my eating the diabetic way thing. But the doctor said he doesn't want me following the diabetic clinic's way. So what do I do? I just can't see me eating only 400 calories a day.Call the doctor. You are paying for his services! If you arent happy with his answer, go elsewhere. I don't know if doing Weight Watchers would be too stressful for me to try to figure out how many points things have. Is it very hard? I have never in my life used weight watchers so I know nothing about them. I do want to try and use the foodmover. I have one but not quite sure how to count certain foods. Would it be easier to figure on just how many calories to have. Would that be easier to do? So far it has been easier on me to just count calories and do portion control(when I'm actually sticking to plan:( )If I do that how do I know how many calories to eat? Soooooooooooooooo confused!!! > > from MO>

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>From: sue_in_nj <susang3@...>

>Even Ann, who is post-op WLS, is eating more calories

>than that!

YES!! If I was only eating 400 calories my surgeon would shoot me! That is

serious starvation mode. I only did that for 6 days while on clear liquids

after surgery.

CALL THE DOCTOR! He probably meant " fourteen hundred " instead of " four

hundred. " If he really meant 400 then find another doctor!

I hear what a doctor says, nod politely, then filter it with research and

common sense.

I never got 's original post on this.

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I missed the original message but got snippets of it and I am wondering if 's dr meant 400 calories from CARBS since he said the diabetic diet was too high in carbs????? Maybe that would make more sense? Just my thoughts on his ridiculous suggestion!

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217 is your total. They should of giving you your good and bad numbers as well. I think the norm is they want you to stay under 200. So 217 is not bad. Exercise alone can make that number go down. Cook with cooking spray. Spray butter instead of butter. Lipator can have liver side effects. I have 2 family members that were on it and now are on other do to complications.

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In a message dated 9/22/2006 10:47:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, 6@... writes:

So who do you listen too? Your family doctor (whom the test weren't meant for in the first place) or your OB/GYN who were the ones who had the test taken? They said that 217 was high, but not extremely high.

Your family doctor probably got results because they were listed in some way on the lab slip... it might have said "send copy to..... and his/her name"....

I have heard that under 200 is desirable, so 217 doesn't sound that extreme maybe - I would almost agree with the 2nd doctor about getting diet/exercise "under control" for 6 months and re-testing....

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In a message dated 9/23/2006 3:13:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, brgk44@... writes:

One year ago (June 2005) my totalcholesterol was 230. I was retested back in March (I think) and itwas 157. You CAN do it through diet and exercise!

Great job, Bonnie! You have done great in a year!! I'm proud of you - I know you are too!! Keep it up!

Apples are fantastic for helping to lower it, as is oatmeal. Andoatmeal is cheap--a big container of the Old Fashioned Oats at WalMartis around $1.50. Plus it's easy to make and filling. Mostimportantly, its soluble fiber can help to lower your cholesterol.

That's neat - I am going shopping today - maybe apples and oatmeal will be the breakfast of champions this week -

Hugs,

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, I would lean toward not taking the medication because your

cholesterol is not that high. One year ago (June 2005) my total

cholesterol was 230. I was retested back in March (I think) and it

was 157. You CAN do it through diet and exercise!

Apples are fantastic for helping to lower it, as is oatmeal. And

oatmeal is cheap--a big container of the Old Fashioned Oats at WalMart

is around $1.50. Plus it's easy to make and filling. Most

importantly, its soluble fiber can help to lower your cholesterol.

Just some stuff to think about. I was offered meds when my tests came

back, but my doctor told me that it's not an ideal situation to put

someone so young on those meds because once you're on them, you rarely

come back off.

Good luck, :)

-Bonnie

> Well, what do you do when one doctor tells you one thing and another

tells you something different. The other day I took some blood test

for my OB/GYN and some of the results are back. I got a call from my

family doctor that my blood test came back that my cholesteral (sp?)

was 217 and he wanted to put my on Lipator. I don't know why he got

the results of my blood test in the first place. I called my OB/GYN's

office and they too had gotten those results, but they said for now

not to take any meds for cholesteral. They think it can be managed by

diet and exercise. Then take the test again in 6 months. They told

me to wait to start taking any meds like that until I talked with them

after they get the rest of my blood test back next week some time.

They said it wouldn't hurt to wait. So who do you listen too? Your

family doctor (whom the test weren't meant for in the first place) or

your OB/GYN who were the ones who had the test taken? They said that

217 was high, but not extremely high.

>

> from MO.

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In a message dated 9/24/2006 8:54:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, karmiene@... writes:

With a couple feet of snow already, it feels like winter here in Colorado so I started early this year. I've been cooking soup for a couple weeks and bought oatmeal ingredients last week.

Holey Moley @ snow already and 2 feet to boot! Waaaaah!! Just goes to tell me that my comments that winter is coming earlier and more ferocious this year might ring true.... I got some oatmeal things yesterday while getting the weekly groceries also... yay us!

I'm sure my cholestrol could use some lowering so glad to hear oatmeal helps.

Me too - mine is 199 from my tests this past week. They say anything below 200 is desirable LOL, but to be right on the edge.... yikes! Oatmeal, here I come ;-)

I'm also thinking about buying some snowshoes and trying that for exercise. Has anyone ever done that?

Never done it - but it's gotta be good exercise. I haven't tried cross-country skiing either, but have heard that is wonderful. Good luck - have fun!!

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I love winter time because I love oatmeal and soups when it's cold outside. I buy plain oatmeal and dress it up. I like to put nuts, fruits, cinnamon, vanilla and stuff like that in it. I feel better buying the plain and doing it because I'm avoiding the sugar and preservatives that come along in the handy packets. With a couple feet of snow already, it feels like winter here in Colorado so I started early this year. I've been cooking soup for a couple weeks and bought oatmeal ingredients last week. One thing I notice about oatmeal is that when I eat it in the morning, I'm more hungry before lunch so I have to take a piece of fruit for a mid-morning snack. I think it really does jump start my body so it burns more calories straight away. I'm sure my cholestrol could use some lowering so glad to hear oatmeal helps. I'm also thinking about buying some snowshoes and trying that for

exercise. Has anyone ever done that? H-m-m-m Oatmeal, Miene ABrite@... wrote: In a message dated 9/23/2006 3:13:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, brgk44 writes: One year ago (June 2005) my

totalcholesterol was 230. I was retested back in March (I think) and itwas 157. You CAN do it through diet and exercise! Great job, Bonnie! You have done great in a year!! I'm proud of you - I know you are too!! Keep it up! Apples are fantastic for helping to lower it, as is oatmeal. Andoatmeal is cheap--a big container of the Old Fashioned Oats at WalMartis around $1.50. Plus it's easy to make and filling. Mostimportantly, its soluble fiber can help to lower your cholesterol. That's neat - I am going shopping today - maybe apples and oatmeal will be the breakfast of champions this week - Hugs, YV, Miene

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--- Miene <karmiene@...> wrote:

One thing I notice

> about oatmeal is that when I eat it in the

> morning, I'm more hungry before lunch

I have noticed this myself as well. I thought I

was the only one who got hungry before lunch

after eating oameal for breakfast. Others talk

aout it sticking with you but not me. Glad to

know I am not alone.

Diane

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In a message dated 9/25/2006 9:31:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, suzybear@... writes:

And this guy is the same weight he was in high school. :(

Doesn't that make you crazy my husband has gained maybe 4 pounds in the almost 10 years we have been married. Yuck I have gained 70

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> I have noticed this myself as well. I thought I

> was the only one who got hungry before lunch

> after eating oameal for breakfast. Others talk

> aout it sticking with you but not me.

*If* I eat 1 1/2 cups (3/4 cup dry) of old fashioned oats along with about a

cup of fruit, *then* it holds me for about 4 to 6 hours. If I eat less

oatmeal or less fruit, I'm ravenous in 2 to 3 hours.

But I also know of people who eat 2 full cups (1 cup dry) of thick Irish

oats (steel cut) and they're hungry in 2-3 hours, so it's just individual

differences.

What I *really* don't see is how people can eat one packet of sugary instant

oatmeal, about 1/2 cup refined oats, and no fruit and be satisfied for 4 or

more hours. I know there are people like that on earth because my husband is

one of them. He can also eat just that one packet of maple-brown sugar

instant oatmeal and nothing else until dinner time, some days 10 to 12 hours

later. Of course, he'll then eat well over 1000 calories in that one meal,

and about an hour or 2 later have half a bag of Doritos and half a package

of fig newton cookies, and more.

And this guy is the same weight he was in high school. :(

Sue in NJ

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> Doesn't that make you crazy my husband has gained maybe 4 pounds in the

> almost 10 years we have been married.

Over the 29 yrs we're married, he only once went up a few extra pounds. All

he did was cut back on the number of sodas and beers he drank (He's since

stopped all beer but added cookies, so the calories consumed is about the

same) and within 2 or 3 weeks was back to where he was.

This is why I hate reading weight loss success stories by men. It's a known

fact that because of their muscle mass and hormones they lose weight easier

and faster than women. If I see one of them in Weight Watchers magazine I

just turn the page.

Sue in NJ

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Thanks for the heads up on Lipator. I don't need anything that will give me even more problems. from MO. Re: What to do...217 is your total. They should of giving you your good and bad numbers as well. I think the norm is they want you to stay under 200. So 217 is not bad. Exercise alone can make that number go down. Cook with cooking spray. Spray butter instead of butter. Lipator can have liver side effects. I have 2 family members that were on it and now are on other do to complications. NHMom to AbnEm...

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im no medical professional, but 400cal a day doesnt seem like enough

at all. if it were me, i'd call and clarify. If he is serious bout

the four hundred, i'd make a follow-up soon to talk to him about

that and see how he plans for u to do that and is it even safe...

but thas jus me. :D

>

> What to do... What to do.... What to do.....

>

> I just don't know what to do. I went to the doctor yesterday

because it was time for him to check on my diabetes. He said

everything on my blood test looked great. In fact he said that your

blood test should come back below 6.5 and mine came back as 5.6. So

I am very good there. The doctor said he doesn't want me following

what the diabetic clinic taught me to do to eat. He said they have

you eat too many carbs. Then he said something that just doesn't

make much sense to me. He said he was proud of me for losing

weight, but he wanted to see me losing weight faster. He said I

should be only having 400 calories within 24 hours. Does that make

sense to you? Can some one really live on 400 calories a day?

Surely he mis-spoke. Maybe he meant 1400 calories within 24 hours.

I couldn't believe it when he said 400 calories. I was so

dumbstruck that I didn't ask him if he meant 1400 calories. He told

me if I eat like he says I will be dropping weight like crazy. I

think he is crazy if he thinks I am going to eat just 400 calories a

day. I don't know what to do. I don't know whether to do what I

have been doing in the past following the diabetic clinic's

instructions or to do Weight Watchers or to eat around 1400

calories. I just can't see me trying to eat 400 calories a day. I

tried to do Weight Watchers not too long ago, but it was hard to do

with my eating the diabetic way thing. But the doctor said he

doesn't want me following the diabetic clinic's way. So what do I

do? I just can't see me eating only 400 calories a day. I don't

know if doing Weight Watchers would be too stressful for me to try

to figure out how many points things have. Is it very hard? Would

it be easier to figure on just how many calories to have. Would

that be easier to do? If I do that how do I know how many calories

to eat? Soooooooooooooooo confused!!!

>

> from MO

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Maybe he meant 400 cal of carbs per day? I'd call his office and say "Hey I got to thinking about what the Dr. said. AND I think 400 calories is excessively low. Did he mean 1400?" Maybe the nurse will ask him for you so you won't have to make another visit. If he really means 400 calories a day I think I'd drop him like a dirty shirt. Last year when I told my dr. I was eating 1400 calories a day he thought I was crazy he had me increase my cal to 1800 with 30% fat 30% carbs and 40% protein. Blessed be,

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I may have missed a message or 2 trying to keep up, but isn't this message

you replied to one that goes back over 6 months? We had this discussion

about and her doc's recommendation a long time ago.

> im no medical professional, but 400cal a day doesnt seem like enough

> at all. if it were me, i'd call and clarify.

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you're right... i was jus goin through the posts from one to the next

so i didnt bother to look at the dates... i have NO IDEA how i got to

may's messages... but i'm sorry for responding to such an old post

>

> I may have missed a message or 2 trying to keep up, but isn't this

message

> you replied to one that goes back over 6 months? We had this

discussion

> about and her doc's recommendation a long time ago.

>

>

>

> > im no medical professional, but 400cal a day doesnt seem like

enough

> > at all. if it were me, i'd call and clarify.

>

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My youngest was 3 months when we got a Whooping Cough-like thing: we

tested negative and there is a viral version called Parapertussis. You

can boost their little immune systems and if they get a cough make sure

they stay hydrated because the phlegm can be gagging. If I had it to do

over again, I would have gotten fruit juice pops for the baby right

away: he got dehydrated and weak from that more than the cough. The

doctor was useless and so was the vax's my two oldest got: they got it,

too. So if it was Pertussis the vax was useless, as the doctors

admitted when they told me they had each had it SEVERAL TIMES over the

years in spite of being up-to-date. Wash your hands hyper-often and

disenfect your doorknobs and other frequent-touch surfaces, too. Can't

hurt.

Maeghan

ameade1276 wrote:

>

> I have a 2 month old whom I would like to only partially vaccinate... or

> maybe not at all....looking at the 80's schedule or even Sears or

> Cave's or 's schedule, not sure which one. Problem is, my 8 year

> old has been exposed to whooping cough, and I am being pressured to

> vaccinate the baby because of that. Any advice on what to do? The

> whooping cough and mmr vaccine scare me...so do the nures and Drs with

> their advice of what will happen if I don't vaccinate him, not getting

> into schools, child neglect....also, any advice on what to give him and

> the 8 year old to keep them healthy? Thank you ! Amy, in Virginia

>

>

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Hi, Amy. It's very smart of you to be asking these questions. Vaccinating your

baby now will not be soon enough (assuming they work) if there's pertussis

around. Let's go by what the manufacturers say: you need the full series, which

takes about 1 1/2 years. Even then they will only promise some 70-80%

effectveness. I have heard it can be as low as 40-50% (that means 40 out of 100

kids, not 40% protection).

But I don't believe they work at all. And that vaccine is one of the most

dangerous ones. That, the MMR and the Hep B are the absolute worst. The others

aren't far behind. Any one of them can kill you--and there is no safe schedule

of anything that can kill you.

If the doctors told you your child can't get into school, they're lying. Either

that, or they're stupid. It's their business. They should know the laws. If

they're threatening you with child neglect, you need to stay away from them.

That's not health care. That's intimidation, and you don't need or deserve it.

I would give your 8-yr-old lots of Vit. C and fish oil, and stay away from junk

food and dairy. It's a little tougher to give the baby supplements. If you're

nursing, you can take them. Lots of rest and sunshine, too. At the first sign of

anything, keep him home from school, stick him in bed and turn on the vaporizer.

Familiarize yourself with homeopathy or find someone in your area who knows it.

Homeopathy is great with babies because it is so simple to give to them.

Good luck!

Winnie

what to do...

Vaccinations

> I have a 2 month old whom I would like to only partially

> vaccinate...or

> maybe not at all....looking at the 80's schedule or even Sears

> or

> Cave's or 's schedule, not sure which one. Problem is, my

> 8 year

> old has been exposed to whooping cough, and I am being pressured

> to

> vaccinate the baby because of that. Any advice on what to do?

> The

> whooping cough and mmr vaccine scare me...so do the nures and

> Drs with

> their advice of what will happen if I don't vaccinate him, not

> getting

> into schools, child neglect....also, any advice on what to give

> him and

> the 8 year old to keep them healthy? Thank you ! Amy, in Virginia

>

>

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There is no vaccine that can prevent any disease. Vaccines only cause disease,

disability and death.

If you have a Dr. who is telling you this, ask him or her to sign a personal

responsibility form.

Ask him/her for proof that a vaccine will prevent a disease. Ask him/her to

guaranty the safety of any vaccine. Ask if he/she will guaranty your baby wont

suffer from VIDS -vaccine induced diseases or die. These people use fear and

intimidation as their tools for compliance. You must use reason and knowledge to

make your decision. If you are talking about selective vaxing than you are

letting someone else make the decision for you. Think, either a vaccine works or

it does not. Either it protects or it does not. Either it cures or it does not.

By selective vaxing you are hoping to cut the odds on harming your baby.. If

that's the case what vaccine will harm and which one wont. There are no crystal

balls used for this . Either Dr.s can prove it works or it doesn't. You have a

doubt, that's good. In the 30 years I have been in this I have met many woman

who had no knowledge but had an instinct it was wrong. Many were undecided  and

let the Dr. make the

decision for them. Some have lived to regret that decision. You must learn

more. Talk to Mothers who have VIDS children. Listen to the ones on this list.

Hear their  stories. Your child's future depends on you and  not someone who

receives money by telling you what he/she has been brainwashed by the drug

company's. When I was a child back in the 1940s, I may have had the smallpox

shot. I have no scar. There were 40 million kids like me that never had those

poisons injected into us. And we survived. I had whooping cough when I was 8 or

nine. My Mother put me to bed. Gave me some liquids when I wanted them. Guess

what I coughed and coughed until I got well. My older brother had whooping cough

before I was born my mom gave him the same treatment. He is now in his 70s and

healthy as a horse. He wasn't vaxed either. All vaccines should scare you. They

are all a witch's brew of toxic chemicals. Your nurses and doctors are TRAINED

on what to say. Going to

them and expecting them to say not to take drugs and vaccines is like going

into a restaurant and the owner suggests you go on a fast. This is how they make

a living. Getting into schools unvaxed is no problem except in two states. All

others have an exemption or two. Did they tell you that? Ask them why they

didn't. Not getting vaxed is not a crime, at least not yet. Learn the law in

your state and your rights as a citizen and you won't let them

 lie or intimidate you. Remember it is your child, it does not belong to the

state. As to your 8 year old, he/she should be eating lots of fresh fruits and

vegatables. Very little fast food and sweets. Exercise, fresh air, sunshine and

taught the power of a positive attitude. I have read tons of books on Allopathic

medicine and health books by the experts. I strongly recommend books by

Bragg, an experts expert on health. However I had to learn the hard way. The

Allopathic profession caused my daughters disease, disability and death.

Knowledge is power.

 

Jim O'

Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D

Shots in babies are dangerous,

and drugs (meds ) too

what to do...

I have a 2 month old whom I would like to only partially vaccinate... or

maybe not at all....looking at the 80's schedule or even Sears or

Cave's or 's schedule, not sure which one. Problem is, my 8 year

old has been exposed to whooping cough, and I am being pressured to

vaccinate the baby because of that. Any advice on what to do? The

whooping cough and mmr vaccine scare me...so do the nures and Drs with

their advice of what will happen if I don't vaccinate him, not getting

into schools, child neglect....also, any advice on what to give him and

the 8 year old to keep them healthy? Thank you ! Amy, in Virginia

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