Re: someone please help me understand this strange symptom

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

HI,

I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able to

understand this and I have never heard of this happening to anyone else.

Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know there is a

vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate any

answers.

" Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking about

belching.

I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very frequent

spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it was

indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas. I now

take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce this gas

generally.

But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

a. dry skin brushing

b. massage of the abdomen

c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the ionized

water I was drinking).

a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where this

belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of the body

? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and b. ? Or

from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get this gas.

Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in tissues:

http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%20page.htm

So, what I know is:

a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in fact, I'm

not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are ensuring

the food is broken down.

Based on that, I'm wondering if:

a. some of the gas created during all those years of fermentation could

have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my liver

into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can travel

this route).

c. how can I get the gas out ?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

;

This sounds like candida albican to an exstreme. It can be beaten to submission

but I can guarantee that it's going to be painfull to do so. Especially if

your'e dealing with any forms of joint dis-ease, like arthritis.

Perhaps one of the best diets you could dare to do is a very low carb diet. In

fact it is actually lower than the Atkins diet in carbs, a virtual protien diet,

if your kidneys are in good enough condition to handle it.

http://seasilver.threadnet.com/Preventorium/candida.htm

I had to do this diet a number of years ago just to see if in fact I did have an

over abundance of candida. I had two choices; Pay a doctor for the testing, or

simply doing the diet to see if I aquired the Herxhimer Reaction from the dieoff

of candida.

There are a number of books written regarding this problem. If you've been

dealing wtih it since the age of eight then its pretty well spread throughtout

your body. It may even behoove you to consider having some help in dealing with

the process of eliminating the excess of candida in your body.

I certainly hope you are enabled by this tid bid of inforamtion to do something

about your condidion. Some people have had this to where it was so bad that it

would cause fermentation of pasta to where they would be drunk like.

Dale

[Guest guest]

;

One note to add here is for you to consider these from a herbalist friend of

mine to whom I noted your situation.

" The Lady should try Caprillic Acid & probably Celandine, and an astringent like

Amur Cork & /or White Willow - Very effective with systemic Candita "

Dale

[Guest guest]

Hi Dale,

I don't get the gas with food anymore. I had candida but now I don't'

have candida symptoms anymore. I got rid of the gas/spacey feeling

when I changed my eating tiems and started enzymes/HCL/bile salts.

What I'm trying to understand now is why I get gas when I skin brush or

massage my abdomen. That's why I was aksing if gas can travel to the

bloodstream and store in tissues. A little internet searching has

shown that gas has been found in veins and tissues, so what I'm thinking

could be right, but I don't know.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dale [mailto:Da_@...]

> Sent: August 10, 2004 9:56 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: someone please help me understand this

strange

> symptom

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

> HI,

> I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able to

> understand this and I have never heard of this happening to anyone

else.

> Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know there is

a

> vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate any

> answers.

>

> " Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking about

> belching.

>

> I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very

frequent

> spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it was

> indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas. I now

> take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce this gas

> generally.

>

> But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

>

> a. dry skin brushing

> b. massage of the abdomen

> c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the ionized

> water I was drinking).

>

> a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where this

> belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of the

body

> ? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and b. ?

Or

> from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get this gas.

>

> Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

>

> Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in tissues:

>

http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%20page.htm

>

> So, what I know is:

> a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

> b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

> c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

> d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

> e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in fact,

I'm

> not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are ensuring

> the food is broken down.

>

> Based on that, I'm wondering if:

> a. some of the gas created during all those years of fermentation

could

> have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

> b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my liver

> into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can travel

> this route).

> c. how can I get the gas out ?

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> ;

>

> This sounds like candida albican to an exstreme. It can be beaten to

> submission but I can guarantee that it's going to be painfull to do

so.

> Especially if your'e dealing with any forms of joint dis-ease, like

> arthritis.

>

> Perhaps one of the best diets you could dare to do is a very low carb

> diet. In fact it is actually lower than the Atkins diet in carbs, a

> virtual protien diet, if your kidneys are in good enough condition to

> handle it.

> http://seasilver.threadnet.com/Preventorium/candida.htm

>

> I had to do this diet a number of years ago just to see if in fact I

did

> have an over abundance of candida. I had two choices; Pay a doctor for

the

> testing, or simply doing the diet to see if I aquired the Herxhimer

> Reaction from the dieoff of candida.

>

> There are a number of books written regarding this problem. If you've

been

> dealing wtih it since the age of eight then its pretty well spread

> throughtout your body. It may even behoove you to consider having some

> help in dealing with the process of eliminating the excess of candida

in

> your body.

>

> I certainly hope you are enabled by this tid bid of inforamtion to do

> something about your condidion. Some people have had this to where it

was

> so bad that it would cause fermentation of pasta to where they would

be

> drunk like.

>

> Dale

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dale,

Thanks very much for checking with your friend. I actually don't have

systemic candida - had my blood tested using blood microscopy. It

looked pretty good except for a little bit of anemia.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dale [mailto:Da_@...]

> Sent: August 10, 2004 11:06 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: someone please help me understand this

strange

> symptom

>

> ;

>

> One note to add here is for you to consider these from a herbalist

friend

> of mine to whom I noted your situation.

>

> " The Lady should try Caprillic Acid & probably Celandine, and an

> astringent like Amur Cork & /or White Willow - Very effective with

systemic

> Candita "

>

> Dale

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

Did not see your original message, but read some replies Hope this info might be

of use...as the saying goes, take what you can use and leave the rest.

Two ideas from my experience as midwife, mother and GB woman!

1. colic in babes responds well to pressure on abdomen. I have experienced

positive results when having GB colicky feeling to get on hands and knees with

pillows and/or sofa/chair arm/back putting pressure on abdomen---some heat in

form of warm pack can help, but I choose not to use pressure when using castor

oil so as to stay in tune with the gentle health benefits. Also helping me in

the past to have taken soy lecithin, valerian, etc....would recommend that you

use whatever aids you find helpful to reduce distress.

2. candida can be a real pain in everywhere. Essential oil of Tea Tree, pure

essential oil, mixed with distilled water and used topically can help with

symptomatic itching. Neat or undiluted application in mouth or in small amount

of water can help with internal distress. There are lots of great websites with

info on the marvelous tea tree oil. This EO is wonderful not only for producing

environment unfriendly to candida, but also improving environment for friendly

bacteria.

Unanticipated thought occurs.......water, water, water-clean and fresh. Can

hardly get too much, in us or on us.

Continuing to listen and learn with this knowledgable and generous group, even

if I rarely post. Always challenged to be more responsible for my own health.

Thank you all.

regards and improving health to all,

midge

from the florida keys where hurricane charley seems headed!

[Guest guest]

, most people have about 2.2 pounds of bacteria lining

thier intestinal tract. Almost all of it is good, healthy and

necessary. When you take antibiotics, particularly broad spectrum

antibiotics it wipes out virtually all this bacteria. When food is

passed from the large intestine to the small intestine and it's not

throughly digested (by the bacteria which you don't have) , it sits

there and ferments and causes gas to come out of you at both ends.

Doctors will tell you that it's not big deal because in a very

short amount of time you will replenish this bacteria and all will be

fine. This is simply not true. FIrst of all the bacteria that does

not get killed by the antiboiotics and fungus's take hold and now you

have a completely different environment in your gut. It may even be

that you may never restore your flora to normal. Remember it was the

same doctors who for 30 years told you that the belching and bloating

and yeast overgrowth was quackary and they made fun of it. You must

remember that doctors and drug companies work hand in hand.

So, what to do, that is the question. Well , you might first go

to your local health food store and buy some Acidophelles. A good one

will be in the refrigerated section and you will know within several

days if this does the trick. Try to buy a good brand with at least 10

billion critters per daily dose. A good one will also have 5 or 6

different species too.

Unfortunately you may have to take for a long time because to

be quite honest with you, I personally doubt that you will ever

restore your gut flora to what it was when you were born. That you

got from your mother and she got her's and she from her mother and

that is the way it's been for thousands of years. Antibiotics were

introduced only 60 years ago (amazing how much damage they have done

in so short a period of time isn't it?). Anyway, it's worth the small

investment to try it for a few weeks. If it does not work with one

brand, try another. Sometimes what is in the bottle is not on the

label. Doctors, who used to deny this all happened in the first place

now tell you after antibiotics to just eat yoghurt. Well, yoghurt

does not have 1 millionth of what is in that little bottle and also

with yoghurt you are getting more antibiotics and growth hormones

that came from the cow. In other words , we are the wizards with the

white coats and if you don't like what we do well, just do this dumb

thing if it makes you feel any better. They keep on showing thier

ignorance both of the problem and the real danger of antibiotics. Try

what I said and you may have some luck.

The enzymes and HCL are good but they are two things which your

body will continue to produce even after years of antibiotics. Your

body cannot produce it's own intestinal bacteria. Those are life

forms that have to come from outside your body.

GOOD LUCK

> HI,

> I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able to

> understand this and I have never heard of this happening to anyone

else.

> Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know there

is a

> vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate any

> answers.

>

> " Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking

about

> belching.

>

> I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very

frequent

> spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it was

> indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas. I

now

> take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce this

gas

> generally.

>

> But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

>

> a. dry skin brushing

> b. massage of the abdomen

> c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the

ionized

> water I was drinking).

>

> a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where

this

> belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of the

body

> ? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and

b. ? Or

> from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get this

gas.

>

> Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

>

> Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in tissues:

> http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%

20page.htm

>

> So, what I know is:

> a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

> b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

> c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

> d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

> e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in fact,

I'm

> not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are

ensuring

> the food is broken down.

>

> Based on that, I'm wondering if:

> a. some of the gas created during all those years of fermentation

could

> have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

> b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my liver

> into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can travel

> this route).

> c. how can I get the gas out ?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To everyone:

Thanks for all the advice , I appreciate it.

I just realized I left out a very important point. I only skin brush

maybe every 6 weeks because I can tolerate so few days until I start a

massive burping attack and I do the abdominal massage a couple of days

before a liver flush. So there is a huge amount of time between

burping episodes. I don't get it everyday. I go weeks without it,

then skin brush, have it for a couple days, stop brushing and it goes

away. That's why I don't understand it. I used to get it everyday but

the digestive aids stopped it right away. So what I don't get is , if

it is an overgrowth in the stomach or intestines, why don't I get it

everyday as opposed to only once in a whiel when I skin brush.

I think everyone probably thought I had this burping everyday.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: wiech89 [mailto:wiech89@...]

> Sent: August 11, 2004 10:47 PM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: someone please help me understand this

strange

> symptom

>

> , most people have about 2.2 pounds of bacteria lining

> thier intestinal tract. Almost all of it is good, healthy and

> necessary. When you take antibiotics, particularly broad spectrum

> antibiotics it wipes out virtually all this bacteria. When food is

> passed from the large intestine to the small intestine and it's not

> throughly digested (by the bacteria which you don't have) , it sits

> there and ferments and causes gas to come out of you at both ends.

>

> Doctors will tell you that it's not big deal because in a very

> short amount of time you will replenish this bacteria and all will be

> fine. This is simply not true. FIrst of all the bacteria that does

> not get killed by the antiboiotics and fungus's take hold and now you

> have a completely different environment in your gut. It may even be

> that you may never restore your flora to normal. Remember it was the

> same doctors who for 30 years told you that the belching and bloating

> and yeast overgrowth was quackary and they made fun of it. You must

> remember that doctors and drug companies work hand in hand.

>

> So, what to do, that is the question. Well , you might first go

> to your local health food store and buy some Acidophelles. A good one

> will be in the refrigerated section and you will know within several

> days if this does the trick. Try to buy a good brand with at least 10

> billion critters per daily dose. A good one will also have 5 or 6

> different species too.

>

> Unfortunately you may have to take for a long time because to

> be quite honest with you, I personally doubt that you will ever

> restore your gut flora to what it was when you were born. That you

> got from your mother and she got her's and she from her mother and

> that is the way it's been for thousands of years. Antibiotics were

> introduced only 60 years ago (amazing how much damage they have done

> in so short a period of time isn't it?). Anyway, it's worth the small

> investment to try it for a few weeks. If it does not work with one

> brand, try another. Sometimes what is in the bottle is not on the

> label. Doctors, who used to deny this all happened in the first place

> now tell you after antibiotics to just eat yoghurt. Well, yoghurt

> does not have 1 millionth of what is in that little bottle and also

> with yoghurt you are getting more antibiotics and growth hormones

> that came from the cow. In other words , we are the wizards with the

> white coats and if you don't like what we do well, just do this dumb

> thing if it makes you feel any better. They keep on showing thier

> ignorance both of the problem and the real danger of antibiotics. Try

> what I said and you may have some luck.

>

> The enzymes and HCL are good but they are two things which your

> body will continue to produce even after years of antibiotics. Your

> body cannot produce it's own intestinal bacteria. Those are life

> forms that have to come from outside your body.

>

> GOOD LUCK

>

>

>

>

>

> > HI,

> > I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able to

> > understand this and I have never heard of this happening to anyone

> else.

> > Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know there

> is a

> > vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate any

> > answers.

> >

> > " Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking

> about

> > belching.

> >

> > I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very

> frequent

> > spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it was

> > indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas. I

> now

> > take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce this

> gas

> > generally.

> >

> > But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

> >

> > a. dry skin brushing

> > b. massage of the abdomen

> > c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the

> ionized

> > water I was drinking).

> >

> > a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where

> this

> > belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of the

> body

> > ? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and

> b. ? Or

> > from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get this

> gas.

> >

> > Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

> >

> > Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in tissues:

> > http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%

> 20page.htm

> >

> > So, what I know is:

> > a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

> > b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

> > c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

> > d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

> > e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in fact,

> I'm

> > not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are

> ensuring

> > the food is broken down.

> >

> > Based on that, I'm wondering if:

> > a. some of the gas created during all those years of fermentation

> could

> > have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

> > b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my liver

> > into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can travel

> > this route).

> > c. how can I get the gas out ?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Belching is also caused by swallowing air. Certain actions (such as

twisting the body) or drinking in certain ways may cause you to belch.

Check to see that you are not mouth breathing.

~S

[Guest guest]

, For what effect and why do you do skin brushing? What kind of brush

do you use?

Judith

----- Original Message -----

From: " " <sbulmer@...>

<gallstones >

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:29 PM

Subject: RE: Re: someone please help me understand this strange

symptom

> To everyone:

>

> Thanks for all the advice , I appreciate it.

>

> I just realized I left out a very important point. I only skin brush

> maybe every 6 weeks because I can tolerate so few days until I start a

> massive burping attack and I do the abdominal massage a couple of days

> before a liver flush. So there is a huge amount of time between

> burping episodes. I don't get it everyday. I go weeks without it,

> then skin brush, have it for a couple days, stop brushing and it goes

> away. That's why I don't understand it. I used to get it everyday but

> the digestive aids stopped it right away. So what I don't get is , if

> it is an overgrowth in the stomach or intestines, why don't I get it

> everyday as opposed to only once in a whiel when I skin brush.

>

> I think everyone probably thought I had this burping everyday.

>

>

>

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: wiech89 [mailto:wiech89@...]

> > Sent: August 11, 2004 10:47 PM

> > gallstones

> > Subject: Re: someone please help me understand this

> strange

> > symptom

> >

> > , most people have about 2.2 pounds of bacteria lining

> > thier intestinal tract. Almost all of it is good, healthy and

> > necessary. When you take antibiotics, particularly broad spectrum

> > antibiotics it wipes out virtually all this bacteria. When food is

> > passed from the large intestine to the small intestine and it's not

> > throughly digested (by the bacteria which you don't have) , it sits

> > there and ferments and causes gas to come out of you at both ends.

> >

> > Doctors will tell you that it's not big deal because in a very

> > short amount of time you will replenish this bacteria and all will be

> > fine. This is simply not true. FIrst of all the bacteria that does

> > not get killed by the antiboiotics and fungus's take hold and now you

> > have a completely different environment in your gut. It may even be

> > that you may never restore your flora to normal. Remember it was the

> > same doctors who for 30 years told you that the belching and bloating

> > and yeast overgrowth was quackary and they made fun of it. You must

> > remember that doctors and drug companies work hand in hand.

> >

> > So, what to do, that is the question. Well , you might first go

> > to your local health food store and buy some Acidophelles. A good one

> > will be in the refrigerated section and you will know within several

> > days if this does the trick. Try to buy a good brand with at least 10

> > billion critters per daily dose. A good one will also have 5 or 6

> > different species too.

> >

> > Unfortunately you may have to take for a long time because to

> > be quite honest with you, I personally doubt that you will ever

> > restore your gut flora to what it was when you were born. That you

> > got from your mother and she got her's and she from her mother and

> > that is the way it's been for thousands of years. Antibiotics were

> > introduced only 60 years ago (amazing how much damage they have done

> > in so short a period of time isn't it?). Anyway, it's worth the small

> > investment to try it for a few weeks. If it does not work with one

> > brand, try another. Sometimes what is in the bottle is not on the

> > label. Doctors, who used to deny this all happened in the first place

> > now tell you after antibiotics to just eat yoghurt. Well, yoghurt

> > does not have 1 millionth of what is in that little bottle and also

> > with yoghurt you are getting more antibiotics and growth hormones

> > that came from the cow. In other words , we are the wizards with the

> > white coats and if you don't like what we do well, just do this dumb

> > thing if it makes you feel any better. They keep on showing thier

> > ignorance both of the problem and the real danger of antibiotics. Try

> > what I said and you may have some luck.

> >

> > The enzymes and HCL are good but they are two things which your

> > body will continue to produce even after years of antibiotics. Your

> > body cannot produce it's own intestinal bacteria. Those are life

> > forms that have to come from outside your body.

> >

> > GOOD LUCK

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > HI,

> > > I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able to

> > > understand this and I have never heard of this happening to anyone

> > else.

> > > Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know there

> > is a

> > > vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate any

> > > answers.

> > >

> > > " Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking

> > about

> > > belching.

> > >

> > > I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very

> > frequent

> > > spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it was

> > > indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas. I

> > now

> > > take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce this

> > gas

> > > generally.

> > >

> > > But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

> > >

> > > a. dry skin brushing

> > > b. massage of the abdomen

> > > c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the

> > ionized

> > > water I was drinking).

> > >

> > > a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where

> > this

> > > belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of the

> > body

> > > ? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and

> > b. ? Or

> > > from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get this

> > gas.

> > >

> > > Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

> > >

> > > Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in tissues:

> > > http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%

> > 20page.htm

> > >

> > > So, what I know is:

> > > a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

> > > b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

> > > c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

> > > d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

> > > e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in fact,

> > I'm

> > > not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are

> > ensuring

> > > the food is broken down.

> > >

> > > Based on that, I'm wondering if:

> > > a. some of the gas created during all those years of fermentation

> > could

> > > have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

> > > b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my liver

> > > into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can travel

> > > this route).

> > > c. how can I get the gas out ?

> > >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Judith,

I use it to stimulate the lymph. I bought it at my health food store

but I can't remember what the bristles are made of. I don't actually

regularly brush, just try it now and then.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: judith [mailto:jes94@...]

> Sent: August 23, 2004 2:48 PM

> gallstones

> Subject: Re: Re: someone please help me understand this

> strange symptom

>

> , For what effect and why do you do skin brushing? What kind of

> brush

> do you use?

> Judith

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " " <sbulmer@...>

> <gallstones >

> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:29 PM

> Subject: RE: Re: someone please help me understand this

> strange

> symptom

>

>

> > To everyone:

> >

> > Thanks for all the advice , I appreciate it.

> >

> > I just realized I left out a very important point. I only skin

brush

> > maybe every 6 weeks because I can tolerate so few days until I start

a

> > massive burping attack and I do the abdominal massage a couple of

days

> > before a liver flush. So there is a huge amount of time between

> > burping episodes. I don't get it everyday. I go weeks without it,

> > then skin brush, have it for a couple days, stop brushing and it

goes

> > away. That's why I don't understand it. I used to get it everyday

but

> > the digestive aids stopped it right away. So what I don't get is ,

if

> > it is an overgrowth in the stomach or intestines, why don't I get it

> > everyday as opposed to only once in a whiel when I skin brush.

> >

> > I think everyone probably thought I had this burping everyday.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: wiech89 [mailto:wiech89@...]

> > > Sent: August 11, 2004 10:47 PM

> > > gallstones

> > > Subject: Re: someone please help me understand this

> > strange

> > > symptom

> > >

> > > , most people have about 2.2 pounds of bacteria lining

> > > thier intestinal tract. Almost all of it is good, healthy and

> > > necessary. When you take antibiotics, particularly broad spectrum

> > > antibiotics it wipes out virtually all this bacteria. When food is

> > > passed from the large intestine to the small intestine and it's

not

> > > throughly digested (by the bacteria which you don't have) , it

sits

> > > there and ferments and causes gas to come out of you at both ends.

> > >

> > > Doctors will tell you that it's not big deal because in a

very

> > > short amount of time you will replenish this bacteria and all will

be

> > > fine. This is simply not true. FIrst of all the bacteria that does

> > > not get killed by the antiboiotics and fungus's take hold and now

you

> > > have a completely different environment in your gut. It may even

be

> > > that you may never restore your flora to normal. Remember it was

the

> > > same doctors who for 30 years told you that the belching and

bloating

> > > and yeast overgrowth was quackary and they made fun of it. You

must

> > > remember that doctors and drug companies work hand in hand.

> > >

> > > So, what to do, that is the question. Well , you might first

go

> > > to your local health food store and buy some Acidophelles. A good

one

> > > will be in the refrigerated section and you will know within

several

> > > days if this does the trick. Try to buy a good brand with at least

10

> > > billion critters per daily dose. A good one will also have 5 or 6

> > > different species too.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately you may have to take for a long time because

to

> > > be quite honest with you, I personally doubt that you will ever

> > > restore your gut flora to what it was when you were born. That you

> > > got from your mother and she got her's and she from her mother

and

> > > that is the way it's been for thousands of years. Antibiotics were

> > > introduced only 60 years ago (amazing how much damage they have

done

> > > in so short a period of time isn't it?). Anyway, it's worth the

small

> > > investment to try it for a few weeks. If it does not work with one

> > > brand, try another. Sometimes what is in the bottle is not on the

> > > label. Doctors, who used to deny this all happened in the first

place

> > > now tell you after antibiotics to just eat yoghurt. Well, yoghurt

> > > does not have 1 millionth of what is in that little bottle and

also

> > > with yoghurt you are getting more antibiotics and growth hormones

> > > that came from the cow. In other words , we are the wizards with

the

> > > white coats and if you don't like what we do well, just do this

dumb

> > > thing if it makes you feel any better. They keep on showing thier

> > > ignorance both of the problem and the real danger of antibiotics.

Try

> > > what I said and you may have some luck.

> > >

> > > The enzymes and HCL are good but they are two things which

your

> > > body will continue to produce even after years of antibiotics.

Your

> > > body cannot produce it's own intestinal bacteria. Those are life

> > > forms that have to come from outside your body.

> > >

> > > GOOD LUCK

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > HI,

> > > > I posted this to the liver flush forum. Noone has been able

to

> > > > understand this and I have never heard of this happening to

anyone

> > > else.

> > > > Everyone says the same thing - that it's so stange. I know

there

> > > is a

> > > > vet (Will ?) on this list so maybe he can help... I appreciate

any

> > > > answers.

> > > >

> > > > " Ok, I can't figure this out. When I refer to gas, I am talking

> > > about

> > > > belching.

> > > >

> > > > I had indigestion for almost 30 years , since age 8. I had very

> > > frequent

> > > > spells of intense burping. I finally figured out last year it

was

> > > > indigestion. So I had almost 30 years of producing a lot of gas.

I

> > > now

> > > > take digestive enzymes, HCL and bile acids and don't produce

this

> > > gas

> > > > generally.

> > > >

> > > > But, if I do one of the following I will get gas:

> > > >

> > > > a. dry skin brushing

> > > > b. massage of the abdomen

> > > > c. drinking carrot juice (later I realized it was probably the

> > > ionized

> > > > water I was drinking).

> > > >

> > > > a. and b. are not related to food at all. Does anyone know where

> > > this

> > > > belching would come from ? Can gas travel to different parts of

the

> > > body

> > > > ? Is it possible I'm releasing gas from my liver when I do a and

> > > b. ? Or

> > > > from folds in the stomach ? I also have a relapse when I get

this

> > > gas.

> > > >

> > > > Any thoughts are appreciated - this is driving me crazy. "

> > > >

> > > > Since writing this, I learned that gas bubbles can form in

tissues:

> > > > http://www.esb.utexas.edu/palmer/bio303/group1/gas%20gangrene%

> > > 20page.htm

> > > >

> > > > So, what I know is:

> > > > a. I had long standing indigestion since age 8

> > > > b. this started after a long course of IV antibiotics

> > > > c. I got rid of the belching with enzymes, HCL and bile acids

> > > > d. I felt better when doing this but still quite ill

> > > > e. activities other than foods will bring on the belching, in

fact,

> > > I'm

> > > > not bother by food at all now, so I think my supplements are

> > > ensuring

> > > > the food is broken down.

> > > >

> > > > Based on that, I'm wondering if:

> > > > a. some of the gas created during all those years of

fermentation

> > > could

> > > > have been absorbed into my body and tissues ?

> > > > b. could dry skin brushing be moving some of it out through my

liver

> > > > into my intestines and up through my stomach (I know bile can

travel

> > > > this route).

> > > > c. how can I get the gas out ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I am doing that now. How did you make out with it ? How long were

you on it ? Did you see mucoid plaque ?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: denise milfort [mailto:mllebondgirl007@...]

> Sent: August 26, 2004 9:35 AM

> gallstones

> Subject: RE: Re: someone please help me understand this

> strange symptom

>

>

> -Yes it was.

>

>

> -- <sbulmer@...> wrote:

>

> > ,

> > I'm wondering which oral colon cleanse you did - was

> > it Holistic

> > Horizons by any chance ?

> >