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Dear CPJ1on1,

Normal blood pH is 7.4.

Normal urine pH is 6.4.

Saliva can be a bit difficult to get an accurate reading, due to traces of

food products, amount of salivation, etc.

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> could someone tell me the proper ph levels for the healthy human body? i

> have good ph paper that i can use on saliva & urine.

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When you say " Normal " is this the level that is best, or should they be more

alkaline? What would those figures be?

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> From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...>

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> Dear CPJ1on1,

>

> Normal blood pH is 7.4.

>

> Normal urine pH is 6.4.

>

> Saliva can be a bit difficult to get an accurate reading, due to traces of

> food products, amount of salivation, etc.

>

> Best of Health!

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The Ph's are " supposed to be " as posted by Saul. Blood Ph should

be between 7.3 & 7.45, so it " should be " 7.4.

jim :)

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>

> When you say " Normal " is this the level that is best, or should

> they be more

> alkaline? What would those figures be?

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

> > From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...>

> >

> > Dear CPJ1on1,

> >

> > Normal blood pH is 7.4.

> >

> > Normal urine pH is 6.4.

> >

> > Saliva can be a bit difficult to get an accurate reading, due

> to traces of

> > food products, amount of salivation, etc.

> >

> > Best of Health!

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Dear ,

These are normal pH levels for healthy people.

The blood reading is already alkaline. If it were to get too high, (8.0 I

think), you die.

If it gets too low (5.8 I think), you die.

It is a very narrow range.

Cancer patients are often below 6.0.

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Charlie,

I hate to tell you this after reading your post on your protein &

fat diet, but raw vegetables are what are supposed to keep us

alkaline. Eating a high protein diet is guaranteed to make you

acid, since the by-product of protein metabolism is uric acid.

While your diet may have helped you with an illness, it can not

be construed to be a healthy diet. I went on a high protein, no

carb diet many years ago to balance my blood sugar, but then once

I was better, I readjusted my diet to something more balanced. I

strongly recommend you do the same.

Carbs are no all bad. Virtually any vegetable you eat raw is

good. You might want to watch those with a high glycemic index.

jim :)

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> does any one know foods that would be good to raise the alkie

> levels, or

> any good or fair www. sites about this

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Is this pretty much like " Atkins " ?? or like H. Diamond's latest book?

Gaye

> Donna, how do you check your ph level? This makes

> perfect sense to me and I want to find out what I am.

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you are correct...

Cheryl Wilburn wrote:

> Hi Group,

>

> I am really confused about the PH issue. My husband

> had his blood, urine & saliva PH tested a few months

> ago. The doc gave us the impression that my husband

> was extremely acidic, but in re-reading the results it

> appears that he was in an alkaline state. Blood was

> 7.65, saliva 7.17, urine 6.2. The report that came

> with it said:

> " an increase in the blood ph is known as

> alkalemia..the most common cause is the

> over-consumption and production of endogenous and

> exogenous acids. These acids are compensated for in

> the blood, resulting in an elevated concentration of

> the very alkaline bicarbonate ion "

>

> It seems to me they are saying that too much acid =

> alkaline blood.

>

> Per the recent discussion about cesium, it would seem

> that an alkaline ph would be a positive thing. Can

> anyone shed light on this contradiction? Thanks-

>

> Cheryl W.

>

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Thanks, but I'm not sure what you are saying is

correct-that the alkaline ph is a good thing?

--- pgoldman@... wrote:

> you are correct...

>

> Cheryl Wilburn wrote:

>

> > Hi Group,

> >

> > I am really confused about the PH issue. My

> husband

> > had his blood, urine & saliva PH tested a few

> months

> > ago. The doc gave us the impression that my

> husband

> > was extremely acidic, but in re-reading the

> results it

> > appears that he was in an alkaline state. Blood

> was

> > 7.65, saliva 7.17, urine 6.2. The report that

> came

> > with it said:

> > " an increase in the blood ph is known as

> > alkalemia..the most common cause is the

> > over-consumption and production of endogenous and

> > exogenous acids. These acids are compensated for

> in

> > the blood, resulting in an elevated concentration

> of

> > the very alkaline bicarbonate ion "

> >

> > It seems to me they are saying that too much acid

> =

> > alkaline blood.

> >

> > Per the recent discussion about cesium, it would

> seem

> > that an alkaline ph would be a positive thing.

> Can

> > anyone shed light on this contradiction? Thanks-

> >

> > Cheryl W.

> >

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jcwilburn@... writes:

> Per the recent discussion about cesium, it would seem

> that an alkaline ph would be a positive thing. Can

> anyone shed light on this contradiction? Thanks-

>

> Cheryl W.

>

It seems to me that you're correct, and that doc. doesn't know what they

think they know. The slight acidity of the urine is good, it just shows that

the body is dumping it's acid. And the ph reading you state are pretty good

for where you would want to keep your body as normal. They say to keep it

about 7.4 for a healthy body. 7.5 stops cancer in it's tracts, 8.5 will kill

it.

I meant to contact Barefoot about the effect of having an alkaline

body, and keeping it at an elevated stated for a long period of time, but

just haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll see if I can get an email off to

in the next day or so.

Klaus

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Hello a,

Concerning pH balancing in the body, all areas in the body are

interconnected. A change in pH in one area of the body affects a

change in pH in other areas of the body.

There are two types of acidosis that can occur in the body, 1)

respiratory, and 2) metabolic. Most material that you will find

coming out about pH balancing is related to the later type of

acidosis, metabolic acidosis and suggest a diet of foods that are

more alkaline forming. The type acidosis that people with CFS/FMS

are dealing with (IMO) is of the first type, respiratory acidosis.

When a person hears the term respiration the thought of breathing

comes to mind. Respiration refers to cellular respiration, the

burning of oxygen and food in the energy production processes in the

cell. When respiration is blocked an acidic condition develops int

the tissue, this is due to pyruvate accumulation in the .

When the tissue becomes more acidic, the pH shift affects the pH of

the blood, making the blood more alkaline. The blood being more

alkaline, due to a lower amount of CO2 in the blood, affects the

production of HCl in the stomach, a lower HCl production in the

stomach causes the stomach to become more alkaline.

This shift of the digestive system to a more alkaline condition

then interferes with the ability of the body to absorb the nutrients

from the food we eat. A person could be eating a very nutritious

diet and not be gaining the full benefit from the nutrients in the

food.

The shift to a more alkaline digestive system interferes with the

ability of the good bacteria to thrive. The good bacteria in the

colon want a slightly acid environment. Some of the byproducts of

the good bacteria add to keeping the colon in a slightly acid state.

With the shift of the digestive system to more alkaline and the

decline of the good bacteria, there is less nutrients absorbed by the

body. The subsequent nutritional deficiencies then interfere with

the energy production processes at the cell level.

Now we have a condition in that tissue acidity keeps the gut

alkaline, and gut alkalinity keeps the tissue acidic. To be

effective (IMO) the approach to normalizing the pH in the body must

address both areas at the same time. If a person tries only to

correct the pH in one area then the imbalance in the other area will

counteract the efforts.

Probiotics supplementation and candida diets may provide benefit

while taking them or following the diet. However, when halted, since

the gut is still in an alkaline state (because the tissue is still

acidic) the imbalance in the gut returns.

Hope this helps provide a better understanding of what may be going

on.

All the best,

Jim

> Jim, could you give a link to info on balancing the ph level of the

gut? I

> didn't know where to look.

> Thanks,

> a

>

> The website that contains more info on what I think is underlying

> CFS/FMS is at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

>

> All the best,

> Jim

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Hello Jim,

How does one address balancing the ph levels at the same time

in both gut and tissues? What's the steps one should take

even if they are on a nutritious diet, taking probiotics

and addressing candida? Like you said just taking the probiotics

and addressing candida does not correct the problem...what

else can you suggest?

Thank You

> > Jim, could you give a link to info on balancing the ph level of

the

> gut? I

> > didn't know where to look.

> > Thanks,

> > a

> >

> > The website that contains more info on what I think is underlying

> > CFS/FMS is at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> >

> > All the best,

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Hello,

To address tissue pH, the blocks to metabolism must be removed.

Increasing the metabolism using the FIR sauna helps by providing more

ATP to the cell. Also, sweating helps to eliminate some of the

metabolic waste from the body. Most people find that it takes a few

sessions to get their bodies to sweat. As the person proceeds, and

their bodies become more hydrated, they usually find that sweating

becomes more easy.

The increase in metabolism also helps increase lymph and lymph

flow. As was pointed out in another post, the water that is

generated in the cell as a result of cellular respiration contributes

to the lymph.

With the increased CO2 in the blood from the increased metabolism

and the nutrients provided by some of the suggested foods, then HCl

production should return to normal. Then the body should be able to

gain more nutrients from the foods eaten. Some of the foods

suggested, like the whey, also help to feed the good bacteria in the

gut.

All the best,

Jim

> > > Jim, could you give a link to info on balancing the ph level of

> the

> > gut? I

> > > didn't know where to look.

> > > Thanks,

> > > a

> > >

> > > The website that contains more info on what I think is

underlying

> > > CFS/FMS is at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html

> > >

> > > All the best,

> > > Jim

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Jim,

For those of us who are able to exercise, would the increase in

metabolism and sweating have the same effect providing ATP to the

cells as the FIR saunas?

I personally don't have problems sweating.

thanks,

Nat

>

> Hello,

>

> To address tissue pH, the blocks to metabolism must be removed.

> Increasing the metabolism using the FIR sauna helps by providing

more

> ATP to the cell. Also, sweating helps to eliminate some of the

> metabolic waste from the body. Most people find that it takes a

few

> sessions to get their bodies to sweat. As the person proceeds, and

> their bodies become more hydrated, they usually find that sweating

> becomes more easy.

>

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I think that if a person with CFS/FMS is able to exercise and elevate

the body temperature that it may provide a comparable benefit. Some

of the things I've read related to the FIR sauna is that the contents

of sweat produced by FIR sauna supposedly contains more toxins and

heavy metals than sweat produced in a conventional high heat sauna.

I suspect that this may be due to the deeper heating of the FIR

heat. The high heat saunas typically raise the skin temperature and

the sweat may then be an attempt to lower skin temperature (not

totally sure on this.)

Many people with CFS/FMS when they exercise it exacerbates the

condition by building up metabolic waste from too much production of

either pyruvate or lactic acid. One goal of using the FIR sauna is

to get the person to the point where they can exercise again. So, if

you are able to exercise then the FIR heat may not be necessary.

If my thinking is correct, and you are able to exercise then I would

think that you may not be having problems with acid reflux. Is this

correct? Probably just a matter of providing the right foods to

restore health to the intestinal flora.

All the best,

Jim

> Jim,

>

> For those of us who are able to exercise, would the increase in

> metabolism and sweating have the same effect providing ATP to the

> cells as the FIR saunas?

>

> I personally don't have problems sweating.

>

> thanks,

> Nat

>

>

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > To address tissue pH, the blocks to metabolism must be

removed.

> > Increasing the metabolism using the FIR sauna helps by providing

> more

> > ATP to the cell. Also, sweating helps to eliminate some of the

> > metabolic waste from the body. Most people find that it takes a

> few

> > sessions to get their bodies to sweat. As the person proceeds,

and

> > their bodies become more hydrated, they usually find that

sweating

> > becomes more easy.

> >

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Hi All,

I feel that everything can be so different for different

people with CFS.

It used to be that hot baths would energize me and I couldn't wait to

get up

in the morning and have my bath. Now hot baths and even showers

de-energize

me and make me weaker and sicker. This happened when I got some new

virus

or immune reaction to some allergy testing. My system seems greatly

changed.

I have heard that there is a theory that people with CFS that have it

for a long

time go through worsening stages as time goes bye.

I still feel colder than most people and like an average temp of

about 80 degrees.

I hope that I will be able to take the summers heat.

Take Care

Mike

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Hi All,

I have heard so many theories about the proper Ph level that

I, at this

point, have to take them with a grain of salt. A thought that comes to

me

now is that one could take the average levels of Ph of the various

fluids

in " normal people " and try to readjust ours to be like theirs. That info

could be gotten from a medical physiology and / or biochemistry book. I

believe that

our conditions are so complicated because our multitude of systems have

feedback loops that try to correct themselves inorder for us to try to

rebalance

and move toward healthier bodys. The process of trying to correct one

thing

could unbalance some other system. Everything, is interrelated.

Mike

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In message <dgt3n1+sabheGroups> you wrote:

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> I have been very busy reading all of your wonderful e-mails..it is

> an education...this is the first time I have written ...I see by the

> last few messages that someone tested the PH levels of their

> Kombucha...and it was at a level 3...does anyone else check their PH?

> I am thinking of bottling this for our locals here in California and

> the PH is an issue. Thank you,

Hi, Janice, and a very warm welcome!

Truth be told, I couldn't care less about PH testing, as I have got taste

buds that do it for me ;-)

Everyone to their own. If it makes you happy, test away.

As fare as I can remember, PH 3 seems to be an ok sort of level for

Kombucha. Please correct me if I'm wrong :-)

What does it taste like? Like nicely acidic cider?

Happy brewing and drinking,

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Hi Janice,

I tested the Ph of one of my batch because I got a comatose scoby (stayed

in a fridge for 18 months) and wanted to be sure the KT was good before I

bottled it. I don't test my other batch made with another scoby, I just

taste it.

(in Belgium)

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2005/9/22, Janice Thurston sriramjairam@...:

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> ...I see by the

> last few messages that someone tested the PH levels of their

> Kombucha...and it was at a level 3...does anyone else check their PH?

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Likewise, I only test pH when I'm concerned that the culture isn't doing its

job. It's a great education though to test for a while until you get the

feel for when the brew is ready. pH should be in the 2.6 to 3.2 range, and

the lower the better.

I say its a great education because sometimes those brews that take forever

to sour and make you begin to doubt yourself, turn out to be the most

acidic. I've tested some sweet batches that were in the 2.7 - 2.8 range.

That's when you start to realize the difference in acid content, acetic

versus gluconic has a huge impact on taste (sour vs sweet).

- Len

Re: PH levels

I tested the Ph of one of my batch because I got a comatose scoby (stayed

in a fridge for 18 months) and wanted to be sure the KT was good before I

bottled it. I don't test my other batch made with another scoby, I just

taste it.

> 2005/9/22, Janice Thurston sriramjairam@...:

>

> ...I see by the

> last few messages that someone tested the PH levels of their

> Kombucha...and it was at a level 3...does anyone else check their PH?

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And what about the teeth? I thought that this acidic wasn't good for plaque and

such...

love, vera

in Belgium

>

> I say its a great education because sometimes those brews that take forever

> to sour and make you begin to doubt yourself, turn out to be the most

> acidic. I've tested some sweet batches that were in the 2.7 - 2.8 range.

> That's when you start to realize the difference in acid content, acetic

> versus gluconic has a huge impact on taste (sour vs sweet).

>

> - Len

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That's what I always heard as well. But I think this is more of an issue

for teenagers whose teeth haven't fully hardened.

KT helps keep teeth healthy by fighting the bacterias associated with plaque

and gum disease. This is a far greater concern for adults than soft teeth

because most tooth problems in adults, stem from gum decay which leads to

eventual tooth decay.

Of course if you still are concerned, a simple mouth rinse with bicarbonate

will neutralize KT.

I can also offer this. As a kid I had terrible teeth. Now after drinking

KT for ten years, if anything my teeth are less of a concern than anytime

previously in my life. (Yes I still have them all ... well most of them :-)

- Len

RE: PH levels

And what about the teeth? I thought that this acidic wasn't good for plaque

and such...

love, vera

in Belgium

>

> I say its a great education because sometimes those brews that take

forever

> to sour and make you begin to doubt yourself, turn out to be the most

> acidic. I've tested some sweet batches that were in the 2.7 - 2.8 range.

> That's when you start to realize the difference in acid content, acetic

> versus gluconic has a huge impact on taste (sour vs sweet).

>

> - Len

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