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Hi Joe,

are you sure the tea is pH 6? How have you measured this?

Measuring based on colour is a bit tricky if you aren't experienced.

pH 6 is very high for KT my water out of the filter is pH 6.5

Ken

>

> can someone tell me what it means if the k-tea maintains a ph

level of

> 6? Would there be anything benefital in a brew with a ph 0f 6?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Joe

>

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Hi Joe,

are you sure the tea is pH 6? How have you measured this?

Measuring based on colour is a bit tricky if you aren't experienced.

pH 6 is very high for KT my water out of the filter is pH 6.5

Ken

>

> can someone tell me what it means if the k-tea maintains a ph

level of

> 6? Would there be anything benefital in a brew with a ph 0f 6?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Joe

>

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When I measure our water its around 6.9. I then heat it, add tea add sugar

and when cooled to room temperature its usually 6.5 or so. That's day 1. By

Day 8 at 80F (26.5C) its around 2.7.

I have a hard (impossible) time reading the strips, so I use a meter. My

wife reads the strips OK.

Some people say they only get down to the 4;s on the pH using a meter. The

strips are useful in the beginning to get an idea of where things should be.

The pH is a good indicator of where your ferment is, but is not 100%. And if

you're going to drink it right away or really soon than it doesn't matter.

But if you're going to bottle or store for any period then it should have

sufficient acids (acetic acid ~1% overall acids 33 g/L) to be

anti-pathogenic. (anti microbial according to Cornel University Food

Science. kombucha ferment typically was 2.5 pH .7 acetic acid after 9 days

at 79F).

If you bottle kombucha too early then the acetic acid may not be strong

enough to prevent any pathogenic growth and cutting off the air supply

prevents further acetic production. But not pathogens that are anaerobic.

The yeast (beneficial or otherwise) may continue to produce alcohol but not

be in sufficient to kill off or prevent pathogenic growth either. The risk

is increased when adding fruits (fresh or dried) or other tasty additives

that may harbor unknowns. Kombucha tea when properly fermented is really

safe.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

.......................................................

Re: ph levels

Posted by: " ken " sourdough.tg@... keny_17m

Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:24 am (PST)

Hi Joe,

are you sure the tea is pH 6? How have you measured this?

Measuring based on colour is a bit tricky if you aren't experienced.

pH 6 is very high for KT my water out of the filter is pH 6.5

Ken

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When I measure our water its around 6.9. I then heat it, add tea add sugar

and when cooled to room temperature its usually 6.5 or so. That's day 1. By

Day 8 at 80F (26.5C) its around 2.7.

I have a hard (impossible) time reading the strips, so I use a meter. My

wife reads the strips OK.

Some people say they only get down to the 4;s on the pH using a meter. The

strips are useful in the beginning to get an idea of where things should be.

The pH is a good indicator of where your ferment is, but is not 100%. And if

you're going to drink it right away or really soon than it doesn't matter.

But if you're going to bottle or store for any period then it should have

sufficient acids (acetic acid ~1% overall acids 33 g/L) to be

anti-pathogenic. (anti microbial according to Cornel University Food

Science. kombucha ferment typically was 2.5 pH .7 acetic acid after 9 days

at 79F).

If you bottle kombucha too early then the acetic acid may not be strong

enough to prevent any pathogenic growth and cutting off the air supply

prevents further acetic production. But not pathogens that are anaerobic.

The yeast (beneficial or otherwise) may continue to produce alcohol but not

be in sufficient to kill off or prevent pathogenic growth either. The risk

is increased when adding fruits (fresh or dried) or other tasty additives

that may harbor unknowns. Kombucha tea when properly fermented is really

safe.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

.......................................................

Re: ph levels

Posted by: " ken " sourdough.tg@... keny_17m

Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:24 am (PST)

Hi Joe,

are you sure the tea is pH 6? How have you measured this?

Measuring based on colour is a bit tricky if you aren't experienced.

pH 6 is very high for KT my water out of the filter is pH 6.5

Ken

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Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

-

On 10/29/07, Happy Herbalist <eddy@...> wrote:

>

> When I measure our water its around 6.9. I then heat it, add tea add

> sugar

> and when cooled to room temperature its usually 6.5 or so. That's day 1.

> By

> Day 8 at 80F (26.5C) its around 2.7.

>

> I have a hard (impossible) time reading the strips, so I use a meter. My

> wife reads the strips OK.

>

> Some people say they only get down to the 4;s on the pH using a meter. The

> strips are useful in the beginning to get an idea of where things should

> be.

> The pH is a good indicator of where your ferment is, but is not 100%. And

> if

> you're going to drink it right away or really soon than it doesn't matter.

> But if you're going to bottle or store for any period then it should have

> sufficient acids (acetic acid ~1% overall acids 33 g/L) to be

> anti-pathogenic. (anti microbial according to Cornel University Food

> Science. kombucha ferment typically was 2.5 pH .7 acetic acid after 9 days

> at 79F).

>

> If you bottle kombucha too early then the acetic acid may not be strong

> enough to prevent any pathogenic growth and cutting off the air supply

> prevents further acetic production. But not pathogens that are anaerobic.

> The yeast (beneficial or otherwise) may continue to produce alcohol but

> not

> be in sufficient to kill off or prevent pathogenic growth either. The risk

> is increased when adding fruits (fresh or dried) or other tasty additives

> that may harbor unknowns. Kombucha tea when properly fermented is really

> safe.

>

> Peace

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. & family

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

>

> ....................

> .

>

>

>

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Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

-

On 10/29/07, Happy Herbalist <eddy@...> wrote:

>

> When I measure our water its around 6.9. I then heat it, add tea add

> sugar

> and when cooled to room temperature its usually 6.5 or so. That's day 1.

> By

> Day 8 at 80F (26.5C) its around 2.7.

>

> I have a hard (impossible) time reading the strips, so I use a meter. My

> wife reads the strips OK.

>

> Some people say they only get down to the 4;s on the pH using a meter. The

> strips are useful in the beginning to get an idea of where things should

> be.

> The pH is a good indicator of where your ferment is, but is not 100%. And

> if

> you're going to drink it right away or really soon than it doesn't matter.

> But if you're going to bottle or store for any period then it should have

> sufficient acids (acetic acid ~1% overall acids 33 g/L) to be

> anti-pathogenic. (anti microbial according to Cornel University Food

> Science. kombucha ferment typically was 2.5 pH .7 acetic acid after 9 days

> at 79F).

>

> If you bottle kombucha too early then the acetic acid may not be strong

> enough to prevent any pathogenic growth and cutting off the air supply

> prevents further acetic production. But not pathogens that are anaerobic.

> The yeast (beneficial or otherwise) may continue to produce alcohol but

> not

> be in sufficient to kill off or prevent pathogenic growth either. The risk

> is increased when adding fruits (fresh or dried) or other tasty additives

> that may harbor unknowns. Kombucha tea when properly fermented is really

> safe.

>

> Peace

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. & family

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

>

> ....................

> .

>

>

>

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Simple Answer: NO!!

The brew in the bottle will last months, maybe up to a year...

Frantz

Ciccariello <ciccariello@...> wrote:

Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

-

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Simple Answer: NO!!

The brew in the bottle will last months, maybe up to a year...

Frantz

Ciccariello <ciccariello@...> wrote:

Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

-

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Hi ,

only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

how long it will last safely.

Jim

Ed,

>

> Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

been

> following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

product.

> After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

screw caps and

> allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

concern about

> pathogens with a work process like this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Hi ,

only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

how long it will last safely.

Jim

Ed,

>

> Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

been

> following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

product.

> After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

screw caps and

> allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

concern about

> pathogens with a work process like this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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, Jim

Jim is right: I assumed wrongly that ALL brews would be sufficiently acidic...

Jim <jim.ferments@...> wrote: Hi ,

only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

how long it will last safely.

Jim

Ed,

>

> Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

been

> following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

product.

> After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

screw caps and

> allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

concern about

> pathogens with a work process like this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -

>

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, Jim

Jim is right: I assumed wrongly that ALL brews would be sufficiently acidic...

Jim <jim.ferments@...> wrote: Hi ,

only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

how long it will last safely.

Jim

Ed,

>

> Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

been

> following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

product.

> After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

screw caps and

> allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

concern about

> pathogens with a work process like this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -

>

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OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of KT then? Is

testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH strips are

unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest way to

accomplish this?

Thanks for the information.

-

On 10/31/07, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm@...> wrote:

>

> , Jim

>

> Jim is right: I assumed wrongly that ALL brews would be sufficiently

> acidic...

>

> Jim <jim.ferments@... <jim.ferments%40virgin.net>> wrote: Hi ,

>

>

> only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

> how long it will last safely.

>

> Jim

>

> Ed,

> >

> > Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

> been

> > following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

> product.

> > After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

> screw caps and

> > allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> > refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

> concern about

> > pathogens with a work process like this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > -

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of KT then? Is

testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH strips are

unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest way to

accomplish this?

Thanks for the information.

-

On 10/31/07, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm@...> wrote:

>

> , Jim

>

> Jim is right: I assumed wrongly that ALL brews would be sufficiently

> acidic...

>

> Jim <jim.ferments@... <jim.ferments%40virgin.net>> wrote: Hi ,

>

>

> only if the pH is low enough though. If the pH is above 4 who knows

> how long it will last safely.

>

> Jim

>

> Ed,

> >

> > Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have

> been

> > following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

> product.

> > After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with

> screw caps and

> > allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> > refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any

> concern about

> > pathogens with a work process like this?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > -

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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> OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of KT then?

> Is

> testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH strips are

> unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest way to

> accomplish this?

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> -

>

Hi ....I stopped using PH strips because of unreliability.

I go by the best possible method of all....taste and smell.

This should work for anyone unless their olfactory or taste senses are

somehow diminished.

Happy brewing!

Gayle

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> OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of KT then?

> Is

> testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH strips are

> unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest way to

> accomplish this?

>

> Thanks for the information.

>

> -

>

Hi ....I stopped using PH strips because of unreliability.

I go by the best possible method of all....taste and smell.

This should work for anyone unless their olfactory or taste senses are

somehow diminished.

Happy brewing!

Gayle

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Hi ,

I have to agree with Gayle, I only tested mine because of some

discussion that was going on. I don't bother, you know if it's okay

by the taste. It should taste like a fermented product rather than

sweet tea. Your starter brew should take the pH down enough for it

to be okay providing you haven't made lots of high pH (low acid)

batches. pH 4 is tastes tart on your tongue. Not too much, not like

lemon juice. There was a list of pH equivalents posted the other day

to give you some comparison, look up pH in Wikipedia or something it

will show you where you taste pH or here,

http://www.miamisci.org/ph/tonguesour.html

Jim

>

>

> Re: Re: ph levels

>

>

> > OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of

KT then?

> > Is

> > testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH

strips are

> > unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest

way to

> > accomplish this?

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

> >

> > -

> >

> Hi ....I stopped using PH strips because of unreliability.

>

> I go by the best possible method of all....taste and smell.

>

> This should work for anyone unless their olfactory or taste senses

are

> somehow diminished.

>

> Happy brewing!

>

> Gayle

>

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Hi ,

I have to agree with Gayle, I only tested mine because of some

discussion that was going on. I don't bother, you know if it's okay

by the taste. It should taste like a fermented product rather than

sweet tea. Your starter brew should take the pH down enough for it

to be okay providing you haven't made lots of high pH (low acid)

batches. pH 4 is tastes tart on your tongue. Not too much, not like

lemon juice. There was a list of pH equivalents posted the other day

to give you some comparison, look up pH in Wikipedia or something it

will show you where you taste pH or here,

http://www.miamisci.org/ph/tonguesour.html

Jim

>

>

> Re: Re: ph levels

>

>

> > OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of

KT then?

> > Is

> > testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH

strips are

> > unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest

way to

> > accomplish this?

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

> >

> > -

> >

> Hi ....I stopped using PH strips because of unreliability.

>

> I go by the best possible method of all....taste and smell.

>

> This should work for anyone unless their olfactory or taste senses

are

> somehow diminished.

>

> Happy brewing!

>

> Gayle

>

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Hi and EveryOne,

I've been making KT steadily since 1994 and do not use a pH strip to

test it. I usually ferment it to the sweet-sour stage, about 7 days,

and then bottle. I keep my glass bottles in the refrigerator as I have

had a few explode over the years when left at warmer temperatures. Not

something you want to experience!

IMHO Kombucha should be refrigerated for long term storage to prevent

breakage. When refrigerated, a bottle of Kombucha will keep for years

and becomes a lot like Champagne, without the alcohol. It becomes

smooth with a fine carbonation and an exquisite taste.

I've never had a bottle of KT go bad, but if the bottle has some

contamination in it before the Kombucha is added that could cause the

Kombucha tea to spoil. Never drink Kombucha tea that does not smell

and taste good to you.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

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>

>

> Re: Re: ph levels

>

>

> > OK, now I am confused. How do you all deal with large batches of

KT then?

> > Is

> > testing the PH the only way to make sure it is safe? If PH strips are

> > unreliable and prone to misreading, what is the proper safest way to

> > accomplish this?

> >

> > Thanks for the information.

> >

> > -

> >

> Hi ....I stopped using PH strips because of unreliability.

>

> I go by the best possible method of all....taste and smell.

>

> This should work for anyone unless their olfactory or taste senses are

> somehow diminished.

>

> Happy brewing!

>

> Gayle

>

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I can't even imagine what could have made that jar go bad. You have to

assume something was in that

jar, and I suppose that is possible. but my jars are always washed in the

dishwasher and put up in my kt cupboard.

So I have no clue. I called my husband, and he never did get sick, I am

thankful. But he isn't sure he wants to drink any

more kt for a while. I am a bit leary too. The other bottles smell fine.

I am thinking of other problems with kt, yeast, sulfer smell,

too vinegary. Which is what happens when it gets left too long, not go bad.

really strange.

K

>

> I've never had a bottle of KT go bad, but if the bottle has some

> contamination in it before the Kombucha is added that could cause the

> Kombucha tea to spoil. Never drink Kombucha tea that does not smell

> and taste good to you.

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

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I can't even imagine what could have made that jar go bad. You have to

assume something was in that

jar, and I suppose that is possible. but my jars are always washed in the

dishwasher and put up in my kt cupboard.

So I have no clue. I called my husband, and he never did get sick, I am

thankful. But he isn't sure he wants to drink any

more kt for a while. I am a bit leary too. The other bottles smell fine.

I am thinking of other problems with kt, yeast, sulfer smell,

too vinegary. Which is what happens when it gets left too long, not go bad.

really strange.

K

>

> I've never had a bottle of KT go bad, but if the bottle has some

> contamination in it before the Kombucha is added that could cause the

> Kombucha tea to spoil. Never drink Kombucha tea that does not smell

> and taste good to you.

>

> Peace, Love and Harmony,

> Bev

>

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, any kombucha tea (regardless of the pH) that would be drunk within in

a week or two should not present any problems for a healthy adult. As a rule

of thumb as long as the pH remains below pH 3.9 it should not be a problem

and OK for bottling. Like examining a fine wine always look before you

drink.

pH is not a absolute here just a convenient tool. It may change up or down

depending upon activity. Acetic acid is viewed as the primary anti-pathogen

protection as well as health benefit. And a low pH is not always a

indication of a per cent of acetic acid. For example Braggs Apple Cider

vinegar with a pH of 3.0 has a listed acetic acid of 5.14% while Kombucha

Tea as quoted by Cornell University with a pH of 2.5 and acetic acid of 0.7%

(http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kt_cornell.htm). Kombucha Tea

even with a extremely long ferment will rarely go below 2.4 or have a high a

acetic acid content as high as Apple Cider Vinegar. Kombucha's acetic acid

seems to peak and settles around 2.%. As Cornell notes its the acetic acid

in the range of 1% that is anti pathogenic and kombucha is safe and healthy.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

................................................

Re: ph levels

Posted by: " Ciccariello " ciccariello@... dostoevsky777

Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:05 am (PST)

Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

-

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, any kombucha tea (regardless of the pH) that would be drunk within in

a week or two should not present any problems for a healthy adult. As a rule

of thumb as long as the pH remains below pH 3.9 it should not be a problem

and OK for bottling. Like examining a fine wine always look before you

drink.

pH is not a absolute here just a convenient tool. It may change up or down

depending upon activity. Acetic acid is viewed as the primary anti-pathogen

protection as well as health benefit. And a low pH is not always a

indication of a per cent of acetic acid. For example Braggs Apple Cider

vinegar with a pH of 3.0 has a listed acetic acid of 5.14% while Kombucha

Tea as quoted by Cornell University with a pH of 2.5 and acetic acid of 0.7%

(http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kt_cornell.htm). Kombucha Tea

even with a extremely long ferment will rarely go below 2.4 or have a high a

acetic acid content as high as Apple Cider Vinegar. Kombucha's acetic acid

seems to peak and settles around 2.%. As Cornell notes its the acetic acid

in the range of 1% that is anti pathogenic and kombucha is safe and healthy.

Peace

Ed Kasper LAc. & family

www.HappyHerbalist.com

................................................

Re: ph levels

Posted by: " Ciccariello " ciccariello@... dostoevsky777

Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:05 am (PST)

Ed,

Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty product.

After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw caps and

allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern about

pathogens with a work process like this?

Thanks,

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, Sounds like your knowledgable about the ph thing. My brew

has a ph of 6. I started it on 9/29. It is not very sweet at this

point and has some sharpness to it. not much carbonation. What do

you make of this situation. Why is the ph still at 6?

Love and light,

Joe

>

> , any kombucha tea (regardless of the pH) that would be drunk

within in

> a week or two should not present any problems for a healthy adult.

As a rule

> of thumb as long as the pH remains below pH 3.9 it should not be a

problem

> and OK for bottling. Like examining a fine wine always look

before you

> drink.

>

> pH is not a absolute here just a convenient tool. It may change up

or down

> depending upon activity. Acetic acid is viewed as the primary anti-

pathogen

> protection as well as health benefit. And a low pH is not always a

> indication of a per cent of acetic acid. For example Braggs Apple

Cider

> vinegar with a pH of 3.0 has a listed acetic acid of 5.14% while

Kombucha

> Tea as quoted by Cornell University with a pH of 2.5 and acetic

acid of 0.7%

> (http://www.happyherbalist.com/analysis_of_kt_cornell.htm).

Kombucha Tea

> even with a extremely long ferment will rarely go below 2.4 or

have a high a

> acetic acid content as high as Apple Cider Vinegar. Kombucha's

acetic acid

> seems to peak and settles around 2.%. As Cornell notes its the

acetic acid

> in the range of 1% that is anti pathogenic and kombucha is safe

and healthy.

>

>

> Peace

>

> Ed Kasper LAc. & family

> www.HappyHerbalist.com

> ...............................................

> Re: ph levels

> Posted by: " Ciccariello " ciccariello@... dostoevsky777

> Tue Oct 30, 2007 8:05 am (PST)

> Ed,

>

> Greetings, I am a new member, and new at Kombucha tea. We have been

> following instructions and have managed to produce a very tasty

product.

> After the fermentation process, we pour it into bottles with screw

caps and

> allow it to continue to ferment in the bottles putting some in the

> refrigerator to drink within a week or two. . Is there any concern

about

> pathogens with a work process like this?

>

> Thanks,

>

> -

>

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