Candida

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Has anyone done any before and after high-iodine

saliva diurnal cortisolx4 testing, to see if high

iodine may affect cortisol levels?

Carol

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yes, i did read her latest articles and did not come away with the

impression that you did.

In fact i think it quite prudent to investigate the mind/body link to

chronic disease as I don't see that there is any question that it can

be an important factor. and I think she seems to have been pretty

specific that the thoughts were being shared on how to take a mind-

body approach to thyroid disease without self-blame.

I've certainly heard enough stories over the last few years - of both

Hashi's and Graves developing (not to mention adrenal

fatigue/insufficiency) - after an intense or long period of stress to

clearly see this can be a factor. in fact i can see it pretty

plainly in my own life - and how taking control of the lifestyle

factors could postively impact my autoimmune disease.

So yes, i guess I would totally agree that everyone with

chronic/autoimmune/thyroid disease needs to look at this aspect in

thier own case. It certainly has been therapeutic and healing to me.

Cindi

>

> I guess you haven't read her latest article then. Oh, in one

> sentence she says she doesn't want to blame the victim. However,

> the rest of the entire article was all about how everyone with

> thyroid disease needs to investigate that theory to see whether

it's

> true. If you have no trouble speaking out, then investigate the

> other meditative psychiatric practices to find out what mind-body

> connection is causing your thyroid disease. This is the same tripe

> being peddled by Oprah's bunch.

>

> This is a thyroid expert/advocate??? Puhleeeze!

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One easy experiment you can do: for a week, drop gluten and

casein. That won't test for yeast, but one common cause for

bloating and pain is gluten intolerance and it doesn't require

drugs to fix it. It's pretty easy to live off rice and vegies and

meat and fruit: people in Asia do it all the time.

Then the next week, go on a " candida " diet (drop the

quickly-digesting carbs) and see what that does.

Anyway, the two conditions are easily confused, especially

since gluten intolerant people often have candida too. But

if that is the case, it's next to impossible to get rid of the

candida until you fix your digestion, which requires

dropping the immuno-responsive food(s). Gluten in particular

opens the gut/blood barrier (google gluten zonulin) which

allows other nasties into your bloodstream.

Iodine has some reaction with the IgA ... people with

gluten/casein sensitivity have more IgA in their blood,

which makes me wonder what happens then, if you

start ingesting iodine while the IgA levels are still high

(they go down on a GF or GFCF diet).

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On Nov 14, 2007 6:58 AM, redhedflare <redhedflare@...> wrote:

> I am so confused on this issue. I did the spit test and it says I DO

> have yeast. I get the mouth sores. I have so many things going on in

> my bod that I don't know what is what.

>

> I am sure that most of this is elementary to most of you but I need

> for someone to start from scratch with me..please. What are the

> symptoms???

>

> I just went through an endoscope and asked the Dr. to check for

> yeast. He said beforehand that if I had it he would be able to see it

> in my stomach. Is that even true? I know from past experience that

> one cannot trust all the docs have to say. Anyway, he says I don't

> have it. There is SOMETHING really wrong in my stomach and digestive

> tract. He says there is nothing there except some raw places and a

> haital hernia.

>

> The first thing this morning, as with every morning...there is my

> empty stomach hurting and bloated. As the day goes on it gets more

> bloated and is often accompanied with back pain.

>

> This is scary and I feel I am left alone to suffer. What can I do?

>

> Sandy

>

>

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You can tell when there is yeast in the stomach by the coating on the stomach

that builds up...plaque like.

Have you made arrangements to have the hernia repaired?

Did you have a lower GI check as well?

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Hi If you have Candida Albicans, you would have seen long thin thready strands floating down towards the bottom of the glass from the sputum at on the top of the water. Sometimes, the water goes cloudy. I have never seen any pictures of anybody's spit showing the effects of candida in a glass of water, but if anybody who has candida can take a picture and place it in our photo's section, that would be great. Did you do the Candida Questionnaire , and if so, how did you score?....and yes, sadly, we were forced into a situation of having to check all new member messages. We mention in our Welcome Message to new members that this group is moderated. This is done due to the political sensitivity of the campaigning issues we are involved in which means that messages exchanged are monitored for inappropriate content. It is only 'newbies' that are monitored for a short time. We have found this keeps our forum safe, secure and, above all, happy - as you will no doubt have found yourself. Unfortunately, we can't get away from the dirty word 'politics' when one is campaigning for change within the NHS.Luv - SheilaI am just trying to get to grips with the vast amount of information on here and members advice (thank you)I did what sheila advised re sputum in a cup of water 1st thing. Now I left it for about 15 mins and it looked odd!! I tried to google candida in images, but erm I got pictures of ppls nether regions with thrush!!!!!I took a picture of my "test", can anyone tell me what it would look like if I did have candida? I didnt want to add any picture as it loked a bit yukky.Thanks for any help you can givePS, does everyone have to have their messages approved before they are posted? No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1237 - Release Date: 22/01/2008 11:04

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>

> Hi

>

> If you have Candida Albicans, you would have seen long thin thready

strands floating down towards the bottom of the glass from the sputum

at on the top of the water. Sometimes, the water goes cloudy. I have

never seen any pictures of anybody's spit showing the effects of

candida in a glass of water, but if anybody who has candida can take a

picture and place it in our photo's section, that would be great.

Hello, I have added the picture I took of my spit test.... sorry if it

looks yukky. Can anyone have a look and give me advice please.

I will do the test shortly and post my results. Thank you for your

kindness and help, makes me fee like I belong, i know that sounds daft.

xx

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Hi ,

You DID do the test first thing in the morning, before eating or

drinking or even brushing your teeth? I also was somewhat perplexed

by that photo as it just doesn't look anything like I'd have

expected it to.

Luv Bella

>

> I am just trying to get to grips with the vast amount of

information on

> here and members advice (thank you)

> I did what sheila advised re sputum in a cup of water 1st thing.

Now I

> left it for about 15 mins and it looked odd!! I tried to google

> candida in images, but erm I got pictures of ppls nether regions

with

> thrush!!!!!

>

> I took a picture of my " test " , can anyone tell me what it would

look

> like if I did have candida? I didnt want to add any picture as it

loked

> a bit yukky.

>

> Thanks for any help you can give

>

>

> PS, does everyone have to have their messages approved before they

are

> posted?

>

>

>

>

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>

> Hi ,

> You DID do the test first thing in the morning, before eating or

> drinking or even brushing your teeth?

Hello,

Yes, I did do it 1st thing in the morning without any

tea/cofee/brekafast or brusing my teeth. I thought it looked weird and

awful tbh. I will try again tomorrow and see if there is any

difference. So looking at it, it doesnt look like I have candida then?

Just peculiar spit? lol

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From looking at the photo you put in our photo's section laura, I would say that you definitely DO have candida. If you did not have candida, your spit disappears from the top of the glass and leaves it all clear. Here are the instructions:

1) Fill a glass tumbler with water and place it beside your bed.

2) The minute you wake, spit into the top of the water in the glass. Don't work up a gob; just spit what is actually in your mouth.

3) Wait for a few minutes. Hold the glass up towards the light, rock it very gently in your hand and look at the condition of the sputum.

Results:

a) If the spit still sits on the top of the water and slowly disappears, you do not have Candida Albicans.

If long thin strings looking like threads start descending towards the bottom of the glass, you have candidiasis. NOTE: Even very wispy tentacles indicate the presence of candida. Your sputum might end up looking like a jellyfish, which means, you have it.

c) Sometimes, the water turns cloudy, or all the sputum sinks to the bottom of the glass. If this happens, it means you have candida in high concentration.

Luv - Sheila

>> Hi ,> You DID do the test first thing in the morning, before eating or > drinking or even brushing your teeth? Hello,Yes, I did do it 1st thing in the morning without any tea/cofee/brekafast or brusing my teeth. I thought it looked weird and awful tbh. I will try again tomorrow and see if there is any difference. So looking at it, it doesnt look like I have candida then? Just peculiar spit? lol

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Hi all,

the spit test aside, is there a test out there that you could

recommend to see if candida is present?

thanks

paul

[Guest guest]

Go to our FILES and read everything there on Candida. Do the Candida Questionnaire and see how you score. The spit test is the test to see if candida is present.

Luv - Sheila

Hi all,the spit test aside, is there a test out there that you couldrecommend to see if candida is present?thankspaul

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Kim:

You should now go and join the Candida List where you found this List on .

It's a very informative List.

Bonnie

Candida

Can anyone tell me if they have had sucess with using coconut oil to

get rid of a candida problem??? I think I have problems with yeast and

was wondering if coconut oil would help.

THanks,

Kim

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Hi Renny

I am new to all of this myself, so I will apologise in advance in case

I miss something out or give you incorrect information.

As I understand it, having Candida can affect how your body converts

T4 (e.g. levothyroxine) into T3 (which is needed for every cell in

your body). Do you have any recent blood test results you could post?

You would be looking for a high free T4 value and a low free T3 value

to potentially indicate such a problem.

If you also have adrenal problems then this, too, can affect T4 -> T3

conversion.

I recently tested for Candida by spitting into a glass of water first

thing in the morning. It sounds a bit gross, but did yield results.

A proper explanation of the test can be found here

(http://www.detoxyourworld.com/acatalog/threelac.html - at the bottom

of the page). After investigating various Candida diets, I decided to

buy some Threelac to treat my Candida and am currently on day 2. So

not much results at the moment.

As for the Adrenals, there is also an Adrenal questionnaire in the

group's files which you could also complete. If it's indicative of a

potential problem you can get a testing kit from NPTech which costs

£70, or try taking a supplement such as Nutri Adrenal Extra to boost

adrenal function.

Hope that's useful information, and I'm sure an " old hand " will be

along soon with more useful advice.

Barbara

On 08/02/2008, Renny Proudlove <rproudlove@...> wrote:

> I was wondering, having looked through the various articles on Candida, if it

is this wich is behind all my fatigue problems.

>

> If I am suffering with recurrent Candida, would it affect my Thyroid or

Adrenal gland? I look forward to any feedback anyone can offer.

>

> Isn't it a shame that we have to go through all this 'self diagnosis' when a

doctor should be doing it? Isn't that what they are paid for?

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Hi Renny

There is no need to send me your Candida test results - I might never get the time to take a look at them to be honest, but your score is enough to know you have a problem. Many people, once they get properly treated do find their health improves quite dramatically. You might wish to show your GP the results and you could tell him you would like some 'aggressive' treatment to get rid of it once and for all. If you look at the treatment in Dr Peatfield's document on our Website www.tpa-uk.org.uk you could perhaps print it out and ask your GP to have a look through it and if he agrees, to prescribe the necessary medication.

Candid most definitely DOES affect your thyroid hormones. If you have candida, it stops the thyroid hormones from being absorbed by your cells - and this is the reason you must get it treated.

Some doctors leave a lot to be desired unfortunately.

luv - Sheila

Hi Everybody,

I was wondering, having looked through the various articles on Candida, if it is this wich is behind all my fatigue problems.

I had been diagnosed with Candida in 1998 by the specialists at my Crohn's clinic and was given Nystatin. The symptoms were mainly extreme heartburn plus, of course, the fatigue. These symptoms come back at least once a month and I usually by the OTC treatment Daktarin which I swallow, this usually clears the symptoms for a while. I had told my GP of this and, albeit reluctantly gave me a prescription for Nystatin but since then I have never asked for another one as he was reluctant in the first place. I have filled out the Candida questionnaire and my results were as follows;

Section A: 57

Section B: 136

Section C: 106

Total : 300

I can send the completed form for Sheila's attention if required but will have to email it with an attachment as it would be a little large to post here.

If I am suffering with recurrent Candida, would it affect my Thyroid or Adrenal gland? I look forward to any feedback anyone can offer.

Isn't it a shame that we have to go through all this 'self diagnosis' when a doctor should be doing it? Isn't that what they are paid for?

All the best

Renny

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Hi ,

I recall that another member on this list had a positive spit test but

the Candida Saliva test came back negative.... if my memory serves me

right, she tested later positive for Coeliac disease. Both Candida

Albicans and Coeliac symptoms are *very* similar, almost identical....

but somebody with Coeliac disease can not tolerate gluten, whereas a

Candida sufferer can. Both should avoid all refined sugars though and

grains and so on. - To save money, why not ask your GP for a Coeliac

blood test .... I know this test can be done on NHS, because my endo

has just ticked the box to test me for it, even though I've told him I

can tolerate gluten, and I have tested positive for Candida

Albicans .... but who am I to argue <G>

What are your symptoms that you attribute to possible Candida

Albicans? ... and another question.... how does your tongue look most

of the day?

Love,

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Hi ,

I haven't had a saliva test, I had a blood test for Candida

antibodies. Does this make a difference?

Symptoms:

Regular athletes foot

Thrush twice in last 6 months (only twice in life before that)

Don't seem to be getting very much benefit from thyroxine (been on

100mcg now for 3 weeks, on thyroxine for total of 10 weeks. TSH gone

up at 8 week blood test!!) I know this isn't much time but I'm just

looking into all the possible things that might be involved.

White furry tongue (use toothbrush to clean, it comes off but always

comes back)

Craving sweet things

Cheers

[Guest guest]

Hi Shy

This happens to one or two of us - and I am not sure whether the tests are 100% or not. Perhaps somebody else can help here, but I have known some to do the spit test and get an alarming tumbler of baddies, but their paid for test has come back showing they do not have the problem. Are you a patient of Dr P's and if so, give him a call on Wednesday (tomorrow) and ask his advice. Can I ask, when you did the spit test, did you work up a real 'glob' of spit, or did you just spit out what was in your mouth. Some people work up so much spit worried they will not get enough, and this can include mucus, that can act like Candida.

Luv - Sheila

Hi guys,I haven't posted for a while as I am the quiet, shy type!! But havebeen reading every day.Please can you advise on Candida. I did the spit test and got a lovelyjelly fish so had the Candida antibodies done by NPTech but that cameback negative at 9 (ref <30).Is it possible to have negative antibodies and still have an infection?Many thanksRegards

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>>Are you a patient of Dr P's

Unfortunately not - I was diagnosed by Dr S - maybe I should think

about seeing Dr P but I don't think he does a clinic anywhere near

Essex does he?

>>Can I ask, when you did the spit test, did you work up a real 'glob'

of spit

I think it was just what was in my mouth but I couldn't swear to it!

I have heard others mention a saliva test. I had a blood test done for

antibodies to Candida? Is this different?

Luv

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****I haven't had a saliva test, I had a blood test for Candida antibodies. Does this make a difference?

I don't know, if the blood test is as reliable as the saliva test - I had the latter done at IWDL and mine was 'off the scale' positive. But perhaps others will know if the Candida blood test can be trusted.

The symptoms you list sound indeed very 'yeasty'. Something I would suggest - but please check with your GP, as fluconazole can be quite taxing on the liver - is to buy a 150 mg tablet of Diflucan over the counter from a pharmacy. If you can't get the brand name Diflucan, you could get "Canesten" instead. It's only ONE tablet and not cheap (about £12 or so) and see if that helps for a while. I have tried generic makes, like Lloyds own brand and others .... maybe it's me, but the generic ones did not have much effect with me. 'Diflucan' , if you can get it, is the most effective, 'Canesten' is similarly good... none of the others I found very effective.

In addition, I'm afraid, there is no way round it - you'll have to avoid ALL refined sugars (chocs, cakes, puddings), all alcohol, keep grains to an absolute minimum (bread, pasta), avoid white rice (starch! it's pure sugar), NO dried fruit (pure sugar!), no junk food or take-aways (is all sugar) - and drink water, water, water.....at least 8 glasses per day, and NO soft drinks or fruit juices and if you can, cut out coffee and tea (other than herbal tea).

If you can do all this for about 6 weeks + , and combined with taking a tablet of Diflucan - you should feel A LOT better. Hopefully - if you have just a bout of yeast overgrowth - you should be on top of it by then... but if you have a 'serious' Candida infection, then 6 weeks of 'being good' won't cut it.... it will have to become a way of life.

***Don't seem to be getting very much benefit from thyroxine (been on100mcg now for 3 weeks, on thyroxine for total of 10 weeks. TSH goneup at 8 week blood test!!) I know this isn't much time but I'm justlooking into all the possible things that might be involved.

Unless you have a conversion problem, it is just possible that a yeast overgrowth problem is to blame for you not feeling better - but since you are saying your TSH has gone 'up' even though you are on thyroxine, I wonder if you might have positive autoantibodies and are experiencing some auto-immune attack on your thyroid gland.... Sheila, or anyone - could this be a possible reason for the TSH to rise whilst on thyroxine ???

Love,

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Hi

Thanks for that

I do have antibodies 242 (ref <49), it never occurred to me that that

might be the cause for the rising TSH!! Guess that's the brain fog for

you!

I did enquire about getting flucanozole. The pharmacist agreed it

sounded like a yeast infection and that there was a link between it and

hypoT but then wouldn't sell me any as I was on thyroxine and he said it

would reduce its efficacy. I guess that you just don't tell them about

the thyroxine!

Luv

[Guest guest]

Go to another chemist - and keep quiet ;o)

Luv - Sheila

Hi Thanks for thatI do have antibodies 242 (ref <49), it never occurred to me that thatmight be the cause for the rising TSH!! Guess that's the brain fog foryou!I did enquire about getting flucanozole. The pharmacist agreed itsounded like a yeast infection and that there was a link between it andhypoT but then wouldn't sell me any as I was on thyroxine and he said itwould reduce its efficacy. I guess that you just don't tell them aboutthe thyroxine!Luv

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- go to our website www.tpa-uk.or.guk - click on Hypothyroidism in the Menu and in the drop down Menu, click on "Associated Conditiolns" and then click on Candida - you will learn a lot there.

Luv - Sheila

***Don't seem to be getting very much benefit from thyroxine (been on100mcg now for 3 weeks, on thyroxine for total of 10 weeks. TSH goneup at 8 week blood test!!) I know this isn't much time but I'm justlooking into all the possible things that might be involved.

Unless you have a conversion problem, it is just possible that a yeast overgrowth problem is to blame for you not feeling better - but since you are saying your TSH has gone 'up' even though you are on thyroxine, I wonder if you might have positive autoantibodies and are experiencing some auto-immune attack on your thyroid gland.... Sheila, or anyone - could this be a possible reason for the TSH to rise whilst on thyroxine ???

Love,

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***I do have antibodies 242 (ref <49), it never occurred to me that that might be the cause for the rising TSH!! Guess that's the brain fog for you!

Hi again,

I don't know this for fact, .... When I came across this reference to autoantibodies on the below web page, it made me wonder if this *could* possibly be an explanation for your rising TSH whilst on medication. It's just my own interpretation of what I read, but perhaps Sheila or others have a clearer idea on this?

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/hashimotos/

WHY IS IT IMPORTANT TO KNOW IF I HAVE HASHI'S?? As the attack increases, you will tend to swing between hypo and hyper, making dosing by labs, and especially the TSH, impossible. Your labs will be high one time, and low the next…back and forth. The hyper is caused by the release of thyroid hormones into your blood due to the destruction. The hypo is caused by the lessening function of your thyroid due to the attack. If you do have Hashi's, you may have to insist to your lab-obsessed doctor to let you raise by the elimination of symptoms, not labs, due to this reality.

Love,

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HI

I am not sure whether getting tested for Candida Antibodies and being found negative is the same as being tested to see if you do have Candida albicans. A bit like getting tested to see if you have antibodies to your thyroid, yet already suffering from hypothyroidism. Having antibodies can be one cause, as with the thyroid antibodies being a cause of Hashimoto's, but not having them doesn't mean you don't have thyroid disease. Does that make sense? I am not even sure I am right here, but I am throwing the door open for discussion on this one please.

Luv - Sheila

Hi ,I haven't had a saliva test, I had a blood test for Candidaantibodies. Does this make a difference?Symptoms:Regular athletes footThrush twice in last 6 months (only twice in life before that)Don't seem to be getting very much benefit from thyroxine (been on100mcg now for 3 weeks, on thyroxine for total of 10 weeks. TSH goneup at 8 week blood test!!) I know this isn't much time but I'm justlooking into all the possible things that might be involved.White furry tongue (use toothbrush to clean, it comes off but alwayscomes back)Craving sweet thingsCheers

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Hi ,

I'm definitely gluten intolerant but the bloods for Coeliac Disease

came back negative. Makes no difference really. I still can't

tolerate any gluten.

I just thought I'd mention that some Coeliacs have absolutely no

symptoms at all, yet the mucosa (lining) of the small bowel

(intestine) is damaged due to gluten ingestion. I know someone who

fits into this category. Have a look at this site for more

information. http://www.coeliac.org.au/dis-what.html

P

> but somebody with Coeliac disease can not tolerate gluten

I know this test can be done on NHS, because my endo

> has just ticked the box to test me for it, even though I've told

him I can tolerate gluten,