fish oil article

[Guest guest]

You might want to do a search on Dr. G Enig who is a world renown

expert on lipid biochemistry. She disputes Peat's evaluation on fish oils.

Peat claims we don't have EFA deficiencies and that our bodies can manufactor it

on its own- which is untrue.

Regarding coconut oil, Peat has this to say " an important function of coconut

oil is that it supports mitochondrial respiration, increasing energy production

that has been blocked by the unsaturated fatty acids. Since the polyunsaturated

fatty acids inhibit thyroid function at many levels, coconut oil can promote

thyroid function simply by reducing those toxic effects. It allows normal

mitochondrial oxidative metabolism, without producing the toxic lipid

peroxidation that is promoted by unsaturated fats. "

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.htm

According to my experience with OVCO I tend to agree with his statements.

Nat

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> I read the raypeat article and it blew me out of the water. I believe him and

i will no longer take fish oil. I do take chlorella so I can get my dha from

there. What about borage and primerose? I guess coconut oil is bad for you too?

I will stick with my chia seeds and hemp protein. joyce kaye I guess it is ok

for me to eat sardines and wild samon?

>

[Guest guest]

If AA is depleted by overdosing with marine or flax oil establishing the balance

of the EFAs is profoundly impaired. Often both prostaglandin one and two series

relating to omega six metabolism are compromised when flax and marine oils are

overdosed or lipid intake is insufficient. When AA, the lead eicosanoid of the

body, is suppressed due to excess intake of omega 3, toxicity or disease the

control circuitry of the body is impaired as is clearly viewed in the patient's

presentation.

http://www.mercola.com/2003/aug/9/detoxification_biotoxins.htm

Fish oil article

I read the raypeat article and it blew me out of the water. I believe him and

i will no longer take fish oil. I do take chlorella so I can get my dha from

there. What about borage and primerose? I guess coconut oil is bad for you too?

I will stick with my chia seeds and hemp protein. joyce kaye I guess it is ok

for me to eat sardines and wild samon?

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[Guest guest]

I would not even trust a dime to this quacko Ray Peat.

He's not even an MD so how come he dares to make such misleading affirmations.

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> I read the raypeat article and it blew me out of the water. I believe him and

i will no longer take fish oil. I do take chlorella so I can get my dha from

there. What about borage and primerose? I guess coconut oil is bad for you too?

I will stick with my chia seeds and hemp protein. joyce kaye I guess it is ok

for me to eat sardines and wild samon?

>

[Guest guest]

You clearly know f-all about Ray Peat. Before you slag him off, have the

good grace to read something of his biography. As a world-leading researcher

in steroid hormones, I doubt that his position is unfounded

See http://raypeat.com/about.shtml

Just because you disagree with him does not make him wrong or invalidate his

argument

Re: Fish oil article

>I would not even trust a dime to this quacko Ray Peat.

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> He's not even an MD so how come he dares to make such misleading

> affirmations.

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>> I read the raypeat article and it blew me out of the water. I believe him

>> and i will no longer take fish oil. I do take chlorella so I can get my

>> dha from there. What about borage and primerose? I guess coconut oil is

>> bad for you too? I will stick with my chia seeds and hemp protein. joyce

>> kaye I guess it is ok for me to eat sardines and wild samon?

>>

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> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

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If you think this is about credentials look at Dr. Maes or Dr. Bassant

Puri biographies, 2 of the world renowed experts on fats and you will see that

Ray Peat's accomplishments are nothing compared to them.

I also encourage you to read Dr. Bassant Puri's book and Dr. Maes

articles on PubMed if you know how to find them.

The web is full of quackery and seems that you don't know the distinction

between real science and quackery.

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> >> I read the raypeat article and it blew me out of the water. I believe him

> >> and i will no longer take fish oil. I do take chlorella so I can get my

> >> dha from there. What about borage and primerose? I guess coconut oil is

> >> bad for you too? I will stick with my chia seeds and hemp protein. joyce

> >> kaye I guess it is ok for me to eat sardines and wild samon?

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> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> > discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

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Peat has [had] nothing published since his alleged papers in 1971-1972 and

thesis in 1972. The only thing I can find by him in PubMed is a letter to the

editor from 1986.

Large epidemiologic studies generally find that you get the best results from at

least 1-2 servings of fish per week, with no additional benefit above that

threshold. A meta-analysis of six of them found that 566 mg/day (EPA + DHA)

reduces risk of CHD death by 37% and concluded that 500 mg/day of the two was a

good target for people without heart disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18937898

800-1000 mg/day is the target for those with heart disease, based on the

GISSI-HF trial which used 465 mg EPA + 375 mg DHA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19660687

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19589110

[Guest guest]

A friend of mine suggested I read an article by Dr. Peat in which he

talks about the dangers of fish oil. I am wondering what you, Bee, think about

his cautions and the research he cites to back up his concerns. The link is

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml

The title of the article is " The Great Fish Oil Experiment. "

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

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> A friend of mine suggested I read an article by Dr. Peat in which he

talks about the dangers of fish oil. I am wondering what you, Bee, think about

his cautions and the research he cites to back up his concerns. The link is

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/fishoil.shtml

> The title of the article is " The Great Fish Oil Experiment. "

+++Hi ,

Read the Weston A. Price's rebuttal to Ray Peat's claims by Enig, PhD:

http://www.westonaprice.org/know-your-fats/549-reply-to-ray-peat-on-efa-deficien\

cy.html

Enig has fantastic credentials, including being an expert of international

reknown in the field of lipid (fat) biochemistry. She has headed a number of

studies on the content and effects of trans fatty acids in America and Israel,

and has successfully challenged government assertions that dietary animal fat

causes cancer and heart disease. Recent scientific and media attention on the

possible adverse health effects of trans fatty acids has brought increased

attention to her work. She is a licensed nutritionist, certified by the

Certification Board for Nutrition Specialists, a qualified expert witness,

nutrition consultant to individuals, industry and state and federal governments,

contributing editor to a number of scientific publications, Fellow of the

American College of Nutrition and President of the land Nutritionists

Association. She is the author of over 60 technical papers and presentations, as

well as a popular lecturer.

All the best, Bee