Guest guest Posted February 11, 1999 Report Share Posted February 11, 1999 found two Ezekiel BreadI 8 c. wheat flour 4 c. barley flour 2 c. soy bean flour 1 c. lentils, cooked and mashed 1/2 c. millet flour 1/4 c. rye flour 1 1/2 c. warm water 1 tbsp. salt 5 tbsp. olive oil 2 pkg. yeast, dissolved in 1/2 c. warm water 1 tbsp. honey Dissolve the yeast in warm water and let it sit for 10 minutes. Mix the other dry ingredients in separate bowl. Blend lentils, oil and small amount of water; place in large mixing bowl with remaining water. Stir in 2 cups of mixed flour. Add yeast mixture. Stir in remaining salt and flour. Knead on floured surface, then place in oiled bowl. Let rise until double in bulk. Knead again; shape and place in greased loaf pans. Let rise. Bake at 375 degrees approximately 1 hour. Makes 4 loaves. A health food store is a source for several of these ingredients. Ezekiel BreadII 1/2 c. whole barley 1/2 c. millet 1 c. bran flour 1 c. soy flour 1 c. rye flour 1 c. oats 1 c. wheat flour 1/4 c. wheat germ 2 1/2 c. white flour 1 c. raisins 1 c. nuts 1 tsp. salt 2 tsp. baking powder 1 tsp. soda 1/2 c. honey 1/2 c. oil 2 pkg. yeast 1 tsp. sugar 1/4 c. warm water 2 c. scalded milk or water Mix yeast, 1/4 cup water, sugar and oil. Set in warm place until it begins to bubble (5 to 10 minutes). Mix white flour, 1 cup of scalded milk (or water) and this yeast mixture. Let it rise double in size (45 minutes to 1 hour). Mix remaining flour with salt, baking powder and soda, raisins and nuts. Add remaining scalded milk (or water) AND flour mixture to yeast mixture. Let rise about 1 hour. Bake in greased bread pans at 350 degrees for 35 to 40 minutes. > Ezekiel Bread > > > From: " J.Daugherty " <oils@...> > > Wow, what a great bunch of posts! I get the digests so I'm > behind a bit but have enjoyed and Nick's posts about > wheat grass and I really LOVED the 'talk sick' and 'toxic' > analogy! > > I buy Ezekiel bread at the store for $3.00 a loaf, hey what > can I say, I live in Alaska everything is expensive. > > I would love to make my own but cannot find a recipe for it. > My understanding is that it is made from sprouted grains > instead of flours so it is a whole food food. > > The only recipe I found on the net was for a bread made > of the flours of various grains and it had yeast...I believe > that the Ezekiel bread I buy is yeast free. > > Anyone have a good recipe for me? Also a good bread recipe > without wheat would also be appreciated. > > Best of Health, > Jackie > > > -- > Jackie Daugherty > mailto:oils@... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 1999 Report Share Posted February 11, 1999 Ezekiel Bread has wheat sprouts. These recipes are missing that ingredient. My guess is that Ezekiel is 40% ground up wheat sprouts. d Ezekiel Bread >> >> >> From: " J.Daugherty " <oils@...> >> >> Wow, what a great bunch of posts! I get the digests so I'm >> behind a bit but have enjoyed and Nick's posts about >> wheat grass and I really LOVED the 'talk sick' and 'toxic' >> analogy! >> >> I buy Ezekiel bread at the store for $3.00 a loaf, hey what >> can I say, I live in Alaska everything is expensive. >> >> I would love to make my own but cannot find a recipe for it. >> My understanding is that it is made from sprouted grains >> instead of flours so it is a whole food food. >> >> The only recipe I found on the net was for a bread made >> of the flours of various grains and it had yeast...I believe >> that the Ezekiel bread I buy is yeast free. >> >> Anyone have a good recipe for me? Also a good bread recipe >> without wheat would also be appreciated. >> >> Best of Health, >> Jackie >> >> >> -- >> Jackie Daugherty >> mailto:oils@... >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Ezekiel is sprouted wheat bread- the grain was never made into flour. I eat it every day. GREAT carb choice in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 --- Sherry!!! that sounds awesomeness!!!!!! where do you get this bread! ofcourse..everyone and their dog knows I am sooo for bread! if it gets you to not cheat and stay with your challenge..use it I say! I would luv to try this stuff...that is pretty great stats and no sugar. where can I get this? I live in washington. Kathi In , " dantegsd " <jiggityjig@s...> wrote: > Check out these ingredients... > Sprouted wheat, filtered water, malted barley, sprouted rye, > sprouted barley, sprouted oats, sprouted millet, sprouted corn, > sprouted brown rice, fresh yeaste, lecithen (from soy), and sea salt. > 15g carb and 4g protein per slice. > Then there's the cinnamon raisin bread... > organic sprouted wheat, organic raisins, organic sprouted barley, > organic sprouted millet, organic sprouted malted barley, organic > sprouted lentils, organic sprouted soybeans, organic sprouted spelt, > filtered water, fresh yeast, sea salt, organic cinnamon. > 18g carbs and 3g protein. > > Seems like a good carb choice if you're dying for bread. Do you guys > think so? > > Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 I love that stuff! Here in Boise I've been able to find it at Fred Meyer and at Albertsons - usually frozen in the health food department. Works for me since I like to freeze my bread anyway - it keeps better and gives me a great excuse to toast it every time I want any. in ID On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 10:59 AM, Kathi wrote: > --- Sherry!!! that sounds awesomeness!!!!!! where do you get this > bread! ofcourse..everyone and their dog knows I am sooo for bread! if > it gets you to not cheat and stay with your challenge..use it I say! > I would luv to try this stuff...that is pretty great stats and no > sugar. where can I get this? I live in washington. > Kathi > > In , " dantegsd " > <jiggityjig@s...> wrote: > > Check out these ingredients... > > Sprouted wheat, filtered water, malted barley, sprouted rye, > > sprouted barley, sprouted oats, sprouted millet, sprouted corn, > > sprouted brown rice, fresh yeaste, lecithen (from soy), and sea > salt. > > 15g carb and 4g protein per slice. > > Then there's the cinnamon raisin bread... > > organic sprouted wheat, organic raisins, organic sprouted barley, > > organic sprouted millet, organic sprouted malted barley, organic > > sprouted lentils, organic sprouted soybeans, organic sprouted > spelt, > > filtered water, fresh yeast, sea salt, organic cinnamon. > > 18g carbs and 3g protein. > > > > Seems like a good carb choice if you're dying for bread. Do you > guys > > think so? > > > > Sherry > > <image.tiff> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 Ezekiel bread is a very good carb choice. Su the Hobbit Ezekiel Bread > Check out these ingredients... > Sprouted wheat, filtered water, malted barley, sprouted rye, > sprouted barley, sprouted oats, sprouted millet, sprouted corn, > sprouted brown rice, fresh yeaste, lecithen (from soy), and sea salt. > 15g carb and 4g protein per slice. > Then there's the cinnamon raisin bread... > organic sprouted wheat, organic raisins, organic sprouted barley, > organic sprouted millet, organic sprouted malted barley, organic > sprouted lentils, organic sprouted soybeans, organic sprouted spelt, > filtered water, fresh yeast, sea salt, organic cinnamon. > 18g carbs and 3g protein. > > Seems like a good carb choice if you're dying for bread. Do you guys > think so? > > Sherry > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2003 Report Share Posted September 24, 2003 I found my Ezekiel Bread in the frozen section of my health/natrual foods store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2003 Report Share Posted September 25, 2003 In Washington? check out this link: http://www.rainiernaturalbakery.com/Nutr-Ezek_CinRsn_Bread.htm The brand I buy is called Alvarado Street Bakery - they make LOTS of great wholesome nutritous breads, not just the Ezekiel one - and I find them in the healthfood aisle of my local Raleys and Safeway stores here in California. http://www.alvaradostreetbakery.com/index.html <<joni>> *mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm toast* ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 In a message dated 2/6/2004 7:35:48 PM Central Standard Time, hevnbound1@... writes: Oh maaannnnnn, I had forgotten about this stuff! I found it once in Milwaukee when I was buying my protein powder. I've been back to that store a couple times and they have never had it since and I've never seen it anywhere else. It was so flippin' good!!!!! If anyone can figure out a way to send it across country without it spoiling, let me know!! lol I would love to be able to get some. Laurie ############################# Laurie, ask your store about getting it. One of our local grocery stores has just started carrying it in the freezer section(Marta is it normally frozen?) Anyway, I would never have paid any attention to it except for Marta's ads...LOL. They should pay her......I haven't bought any because it's so freakin expensive.... in Bama VBG 1982 (lost from 433lbs to 270's) VBG to RNY1996 revision(Lost from 343 to 299) RNY to DS revision Dec 2002 -down 118 lbs so far (377.7 to 259.4 and still going Homepage address- http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html Many thanks to Dr. K willing to take on a 3rd timer....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 In a message dated 2/6/2004 10:45:07 PM Central Standard Time, hevnbound1@... writes: Bah humbug! Ya tried the McRib! lol This is MUCH better than the McRib and well worth the extra price. Awwww, now I'm gonna have to look up that California Bakery and see if I can find a store that carries it. I only had one loaf ever and I kept the loaf frozen and took it out one piece at a time. I lasted a long, long time. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ better than a mc rib.....???!!! That has gotta be some really good bread! I've never seen any bread that can compare to a mc rib. I may have to go buy a loaf in the morning. in Bama VBG 1982 (lost from 433lbs to 270's) VBG to RNY1996 revision(Lost from 343 to 299) RNY to DS revision Dec 2002 -down 118 lbs so far (377.7 to 259.4 and still going Homepage address- http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html Many thanks to Dr. K willing to take on a 3rd timer....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 In a message dated 2/6/2004 10:45:07 PM Central Standard Time, hevnbound1@... writes: Bah humbug! Ya tried the McRib! lol This is MUCH better than the McRib and well worth the extra price. Awwww, now I'm gonna have to look up that California Bakery and see if I can find a store that carries it. I only had one loaf ever and I kept the loaf frozen and took it out one piece at a time. I lasted a long, long time. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ better than a mc rib.....???!!! That has gotta be some really good bread! I've never seen any bread that can compare to a mc rib. I may have to go buy a loaf in the morning. in Bama VBG 1982 (lost from 433lbs to 270's) VBG to RNY1996 revision(Lost from 343 to 299) RNY to DS revision Dec 2002 -down 118 lbs so far (377.7 to 259.4 and still going Homepage address- http://hometown.aol.com/mdl1031/myhomepage/profile.html Many thanks to Dr. K willing to take on a 3rd timer....LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I haven't bought any because it's so freakin > expensive.... Bah humbug! Ya tried the McRib! lol This is MUCH better than the McRib and well worth the extra price. Awwww, now I'm gonna have to look up that California Bakery and see if I can find a store that carries it. I only had one loaf ever and I kept the loaf frozen and took it out one piece at a time. I lasted a long, long time. Remember, I just recently started being able to eat a whole sandwich. Back then, I could only eat 1/2 slice bread at a time. Yeah, yeah, i know...VIVA la DS. lol Don't rub it in!! :-P Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I have found the Exekiel Bread at Trader Joe's, health food stores (frozen) and here in Bakersfield at Vons grocery store. I think you will be able to find this type of stuff more and more with the low carb, high protein craze. So each time you go into a store look for it. As for those who ask if it is good. It is a flourless bread. It is made from sprouted grains rather than ground wheat. That is why is it a good source of fiber and usually does not give us gas. It is not a Soft, fluffy bread. It has a very course texture... I like the flavor. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 I have found the Exekiel Bread at Trader Joe's, health food stores (frozen) and here in Bakersfield at Vons grocery store. I think you will be able to find this type of stuff more and more with the low carb, high protein craze. So each time you go into a store look for it. As for those who ask if it is good. It is a flourless bread. It is made from sprouted grains rather than ground wheat. That is why is it a good source of fiber and usually does not give us gas. It is not a Soft, fluffy bread. It has a very course texture... I like the flavor. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 Hey Jo! Personally, I prefer my bread soft and fluffy! I've recently discovered Home Pride Carb Controlled bread and it is wonderful! They have it in white or wheat. No gas from it and it makes GREAT sandwiches! I'd missed sandwiches soooo much! I've been having them for lunch everyday for several days now. Mmmmmm..... Tracey > > As for those who ask if it is good. It is a flourless bread. It is > made from sprouted grains rather than ground wheat. That is why is > it a good source of fiber and usually does not give us gas. It is > not a Soft, fluffy bread. It has a very course texture... I like > the flavor. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hi All, A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. Thanks to all and for your response.... Axel Hultman <a.hultman@...> wrote: Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, I'm Mercola-ing you!) Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't the gospel of health, IOW. Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays uncooked miso creeps me out! I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. D's frequency recommendations is not very high. I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, especially on a low amino acid pool. I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were any avoids in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Re: Ezekiel bread > Hi All, > > A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. > > Thanks to all and for your response.... > > > > > Axel Hultman <a.hultman@...> wrote: > Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! > > " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. > > There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm > > Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, I'm Mercola-ing you!) > > Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't the gospel of health, IOW. > > Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays uncooked miso creeps me out! > > I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. D's frequency recommendations is not very high. > > I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). > > But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, especially on a low amino acid pool. > > I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were any avoids in them. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Margaret, The Ezekiel bread I use is made for all sprouted grains. Sprouting gets rid of the part of the grain we aren't supposed to have. Secretors are only supposed to have 1 to 6 servings of grains a week. Non-secretors are like 0-3 times a week. Re: Ezekiel bread > Hi All, > > A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. > > Thanks to all and for your response.... > > > > > Axel Hultman <a.hultman@...> wrote: > Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! > > " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. > > There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm > > Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, I'm Mercola-ing you!) > > Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't the gospel of health, IOW. > > Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays uncooked miso creeps me out! > > I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. D's frequency recommendations is not very high. > > I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). > > But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, especially on a low amino acid pool. > > I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were any avoids in them. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Hello Margaret - I wouldn't say that it is good for Os. Ezekiel bread is made from sprouted wheat, which tells you that some of the damage causing compounds are destroyed in the sprouting process. However, it still contains gluten so if you are trying to eat real well, avoid it. Otherwise it will be an ok substitute for regular bread. Remember that each slice contains 15 gr of carbs and only 4 gr of poorly digested protein. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Ezekiel bread Hi All, A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. Thanks to all and for your response.... Axel Hultman <a.hultman@...> wrote: Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, I'm Mercola-ing you!) Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't the gospel of health, IOW. Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays uncooked miso creeps me out! I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. D's frequency recommendations is not very high. I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, especially on a low amino acid pool. I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were any avoids in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Make sure that the Ezekiel bread you are buying is made with sprouted wheat, and any other avoid grains. If the whole wheat in your Ezekiel bread is not sprouted whole wheat then the bread is not acceptable. I bought some Ezekiel pitas once without closely reading the ingredients list at the store. When I got home I discovered they were not made with sprouted grains. I gave them away to a friend that didn't care about the BTD. The benefit of the manna and Ezekiel bread is that they are live foods with many of the enzyemes intact. That does not mean that eating a lot of it is good for your. In fact, you may find you are better off not eating any of it. Don > A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 I always wonder that whoever thought of calling it Ezekiel bread has not read the actual biblical recipe. Zeke wound up bargaining with God to not have man manure in it but to settle with cow's dung-LOL. God has a cool sense of humor, I think. No dung in commercial Ezekiel bread though-LOL. On our Spring Break, we bought a couple of loaves of Ezekiel bread for PBJs, chicken sandwiches, tuna and the picnic type of foods. I managed to eat a quarter crust from one piece. Kids don't like crust so it is always there for the taking. I think that although I am still drug towards avoids, I am being less drawn to them as I detox. The altitude here has been a little of a let down in terms of my BTD high so I am looking forward to getting much closer to sea level by Sunday. Did one really tough hike with a decent altitude gain- it was like being on a stairmaster for 2 hours. Stairs are definite avoids for me right now until the lactic moves on-LOL. My oldest boy, type O, really took to the climb and thrived on it. Next hike, he was like " we get to 'walk', cool? " Have a great weekend. We will be covering 1000 miles in the giant gold van aka Goldmember. Be well, Joy > Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy > products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to > think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the > answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent > Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's > problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! > > " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking > cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is > because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino > acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. > > There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: > http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm > > Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, > I'm Mercola-ing you!) > > Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of > approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these > pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't > the gospel of health, IOW. > > Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment > I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right > next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't > know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's > going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the > chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I > actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and > then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in > the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't > feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've > also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of > homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays > uncooked miso creeps me out! > > I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also > marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector > antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk > in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something > about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the > wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. > D's frequency recommendations is not very high. > > I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in > '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown > Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the > Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's > diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I > had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, > and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate > (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I > would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder > and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to > finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps > it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or > maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). > > But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw > themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, > especially on a low amino acid pool. > > I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes > and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid > these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the > creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I > made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from > eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were > any avoids in them. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 > I always wonder that whoever thought of calling it Ezekiel bread has > not read the actual biblical recipe. Zeke wound up bargaining with > God to not have man manure in it but to settle with cow's dung-LOL. > God has a cool sense of humor, I think. No dung in commercial Ezekiel > bread though-LOL. > In my version of the Bible, the dung is the fuel with which the bread is cooked, not an ingredient!!!!!! I bought some Ezekiel Tortillas. Made me think of the wisecrack about Axel throwing away his swamp eel and eating the board. Yeesh. If those tortillas wouldn't cure you from wanting to eat bread, I don't know what would. They rank right up there with ricecakes in the " why bother " category. Just put whatever you were going to eat on a bed of leafy greens instead. A squeeze of lemon juice over the greens gives the whole thing a zing that makes your tongue as well as your body go " ahhhhhhhh " ! Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 > I bought some Ezekiel Tortillas. Made me think of the wisecrack > about Axel throwing away his swamp eel and eating the board. Yeesh. > If those tortillas wouldn't cure you from wanting to eat bread, I > don't know what would. They rank right up there with ricecakes in > the " why bother " category. Just put whatever you were going to eat > on a bed of leafy greens instead. A squeeze of lemon juice over the > greens gives the whole thing a zing that makes your tongue as well as > your body go " ahhhhhhhh " ! > > Robin I liked the Ezekiel tortillas I used to buy. I liked the heartier flavor compared to wheat or spelt tortillas. They are a little tougher, but I didn't mind that. Unfortunately I can't eat them or any of the other gluten containing grain/grain products anymore as it makes my sinuses really congested. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 Thanks to and all of you for your response.. Margaret Dekany <info@...> wrote: Hello Margaret - I wouldn't say that it is good for Os. Ezekiel bread is made from sprouted wheat, which tells you that some of the damage causing compounds are destroyed in the sprouting process. However, it still contains gluten so if you are trying to eat real well, avoid it. Otherwise it will be an ok substitute for regular bread. Remember that each slice contains 15 gr of carbs and only 4 gr of poorly digested protein. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Ezekiel bread Hi All, A few weeks ago some of you have been talking about ezekiel bread and how good it is for us 'O' type. However, the disclosure information on the packaging indicates that whole wheat is one of the ingredients in the bread, is that still okay? I would like to get feedback especially from Dekany. Thanks to all and for your response.... Axel Hultman <a.hultman@...> wrote: Well, Os, even though I'm a secretor of an O I am still wary of soy products. There is plenty of info, negative info, about soy out there to think about after we've all been brainwashed into thinking soy is the answer to all of our problems. Actually, ironically, perhaps Soylent Green is a more direct, practical solution to many of the world's problems? Man, this group is giving me a Charlton fixation! " The Freakin' A " Dickheady is right, Os shouldn't be thinking cereal & soy in the morning. The reason breakfast is called breakfast is because you are _breaking_ your _fast_. Duh. And when would our amino acid pool be lowest? Well, there ya go. There is also the issue of cortisol. This is a nice link: http://jeff.benton.net/antiaging_adrenal_gland.htm Insulin: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm (that's right, I'm Mercola-ing you!) Soy: http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Remember, these sites are NOT given Big Daddy's official stamp of approval, most likely there are deleterious lectins imbedded in these pages, so WATCH OUT! Not everything is blood-type diet savvy. It isn't the gospel of health, IOW. Not everything bad about soy applies to us. For instance, at this moment I have organic, traditionally fermented extra firm tofu sitting right next to what's left of my buffalo heart chili chunks (yum!). I don't know exactly _when_ I'm going to consume it, but chances are high it's going into my body sometime this month. What I don't like is the chemically processed, artificial fermented tofu sold these days. I actually ate some bulk-bin soybeans, after soaking for a few days and then baking in the oven with a " cajun style " herb/spice mixture, back in the days when I was an emaciated vegetarian new-age zombie. I couldn't feel any difference, I was so far removed from my own physiology. I've also eaten uncooked tofu blocks ripened with miso into a kind of homemade tofu cheese, and couldn't feel the difference. Nowadays uncooked miso creeps me out! I am just plain wary of soy and its many by-products (which are also marketed as food). Whenever I hear the word " soy " my B.S. detector antennae telescope out of my frontal lobes and the little captain Kirk in my head's bridge shouts " orange alert! " Then Charlton rasps something about being made out of people... anyway, my point is soy is not the wonderfood it is often marketed as, and the amount of soy allowed in Dr. D's frequency recommendations is not very high. I remember when I was a more ignorant person, pre-BTD. This was back in '97 when I worked at " Shinder's Readmore Bookstore " , in downtown Minneapolis (ahhhhh, the good old days, before I was soiled by the Orthodox Jews, back when I was pure, selling pornography to Minnesota's diverse population of pornography connoiseurs...). I was heavier than I had ever been, a full 165 pounds. Pumped up on creatine, wheat 'n corn, and various protein powders, including soy protein powder isolate (hiss!). That shit literally turned me into a zombie, just by itself. I would pack a portable jug with my chocolate flavored soy protein powder and drink some of it, it fucked me up so much I couldn't remember to finish it, such a daze it put me into. Now that I can reflect, perhaps it was my body's unconscious wisdom that I could rarely finish it... or maybe it shutdown my working memory! (thyroid/mind connection). But back to basics, all in all, any O in the know knows not to screw themselves up with a dedicated high-carb meal of processed cereal, especially on a low amino acid pool. I've also got " issues " with all those puffed millets, rice cakes, flakes and other extruded grain products. There is some attention being paid these days to the processing methods to change their physical form, the creation of poisenous compounds previously unkown and such... when I made the effort to discern for myself, I didn't _like_ the feeling from eating puffed cereals or flakes or rice cakes, whether or not there were any avoids in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Ezekiel is a neutral for Os according to Typebase 3, which I checked today. I see and others keep saying to avoid grains is best. Does Dr. D'Adamo ever say that same thing? I have not found him saying Os should totally eliminate the neutral grains. If D'Adamo were recommending total avoidance wouldn't he have put Ezekiel and sprouted wheat, for example, under the " avoid " category. Is the reason people on this list say to avoid all grains due to the glycemic index factor? Just trying to wrap my brain around all of this. I have been eating only 2 slices of an Ezekiel, spelt or sprouted wheat bread per day. Not too bad compared to what I used to eat for regular wheat products and not bad compared to how most of America eats so many bread products per day. So I am not beating myself up about my own consumption but am just curious.... Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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