Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 Chlorine is added to water supplies as a gas. If you leave the water in a glass container for 24hrs or so, the formation of bubbles along the side of the glass will be evident. These bubbles are the Cl- gas coming out of solution. Now try passing the water through the *Brita* P.M. Re: Re:Hydrogen peroxide The filter is a Brita pitcher filter so I doubt that it gets > most of the chlorine out. Maybe it reduces it more than I think it > does, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 Does it make any difference whether you drink the HP drops in water or something else like juice? Someone told me they were drinking it in juice, and I thought that water would be better, though they said it was much more tolerable in juice. Any input will be appreciated KAT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 WHen you take peroxide (or homozon) with food you waste the action disinfecting bacteria in the food. That's not why you're taking it, so take it with water on an empty stomach. jim Angelkat wrote: > Does it make any difference whether you drink the HP drops in water or > something else like juice? Someone told me they were drinking it in juice, > and I thought that water would be better, though they said it was much more > tolerable in juice. Any input will be appreciated > KAT -- " Coming events cast their shadows before. " -- jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 KAT- At high concentrations, H2O2 is more tolerable with juice. As Jim said, some of the action may be wasted cleaning up the baddies in the juice, but sometimes it can be the difference between getting it down or not. The other thing that can be done, is divide the dose oer the whole day and continue to do it on an empty stomach an hour before all meals. It seems to be better not to do it at night as it may keep you awake. I Bless You and Bless You with All Good, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 > I don't know about the bath, but I have been drinking filtered water 8- > 16 oz glass with 25 to 30 drops 35% H2O2 in it and all I can report is > good. How long after you started drinking the h202 in water did you start to see results? Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Has anyone ever tried liquid food grade magnesium peroxide? Dr. Donsbach talked about it being easier on the stomach than H2O2. I know homzon and other mg powders are forms of this. Anyone know of a source for the liquid? > > Patty, > > Yes, 12% is 1/3 strength of 35%, so if you want to drink H2O2, instead > of 12-25 of 35%, you can drink 36-75 drops of 12% in a glass of water > on an empty stomach. > > jim > > Patty wrote: > > > > I went to the health food store today to buy H202, looking for the > > 35% food grade, and was told that they don't sell it. They also > > said that Wild Oats had a lawsuit against them for something related > > to the H202--anyone know anything about that? I did find some 12% > > food grade H202 at a health food store, so I will be using that, but > > is there a different protocol for the 12% then, for taking > > internally and for using in the bath? Patty > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, > > and other alternative self-help subjects. > > > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, > > you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > > provider. > > > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY > > BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! > > : > > > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > > mode. > > -- > " Coming events cast their shadows before. " -- > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you > do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By > joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON > & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2000 Report Share Posted September 12, 2000 Patty- Within the first week, I think. I noticed more energy and more will to start things and see things through. Was going through some low grade depression at the time and didn't realize it. I Bless You and Bless You with All Good, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 > Go to www.oxytherapy.com and check out their info pages. They have FAQs > on all oxidative therapies. There are cautions all over the place on that website about taking H202 internally. Stuff about hurting the mucous membranes in the gut and stomach. What do you all think about that? Do the benefits far outweigh the risks? Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Patty, ly, this is the first I have heard of anyone believable saying something negative about H2O2 ingestion. When I was on the oxylist I remember a lot of discussion about drinking H2O2, and a lot of posts by Dr. Bormann, whom I respect. But, this position of hers is possibly a new one, since her post on the subject was made in June of this year. I would now recommend anyone taking H2O2 orally to check this out in the oxytherapy FAQs. I found it just by going to the FAQs for drinking peroxide. Definitely food for thought! jim Patty wrote: > > Go to www.oxytherapy.com and check out their info pages. They have FAQs on all oxidative therapies. > > There are cautions all over the place on that website about taking H202 > internally. Stuff about hurting the mucous membranes in the gut and > stomach. What do you all think about that? > Do the benefits far outweigh the risks? > Patty -- " Coming events cast their shadows before. " -- jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 It's tough to know what to believe. I've remember previous threads on the oxy list where various seemingly knowledgeable list members stated that intravenous h2o2 also was bad for people with hypertension. Anyone on the list have any thoughts on that? > > There are cautions all over the place on that website about taking > H202 internally. Stuff about hurting the mucous membranes in the gut > and stomach. What do you all think about that? Do the benefits far > outweigh the risks? Patty > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you > do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By > joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON > & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 I take the hydrogen Peroxide IV along with mega doze of vit C IV. My doctor on the contrary says it helps kill viruses and helps with energy and many other ailments by oxygenating the blood. I do the hydrogen peroxide twice a week. I also do the photo=luminescense, sp?, ie, ultra violet blood irradation too. Joe 9/13/00 -0500, you wrote: > >It's tough to know what to believe. I've remember previous threads >on the oxy list where various seemingly knowledgeable list >members stated that intravenous h2o2 also was bad for people >with hypertension. > Anyone on the list have any thoughts on that? > >> >> There are cautions all over the place on that website about taking >> H202 internally. Stuff about hurting the mucous membranes in the gut >> and stomach. What do you all think about that? Do the benefits far >> outweigh the risks? Patty >> >> >> >> >> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and >> other alternative self-help subjects. >> >> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! >> >> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find >> here are for information and research purposes only. We are people >> sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you >> do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common >> sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By >> joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR >> yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a >> medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care >> provider. >> >> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the >> following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON >> & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : >> >> oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups >> >> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal >> mode. >> > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other >alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are >for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing >information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your >own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to >take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to >hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found >here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher >or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following >address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the >message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2000 Report Share Posted September 13, 2000 Patty- With any substance that is strong enough to cause change there are going to be cautionary statements. With 35% food grade (even with 3%) there are going to be things you just don't do.... you don't drink without diluting properly, you don't spill it anywhere that you don't want changed want changed. Some of those changes are not going to be positive. (In the eyes for instance.) You don't use it for an enema in any stronger solution than you would drink it. It's serious stuff, treat it with care, but don't be afraid of it. Despite all the things that have been said, there are people around who have been ingesting H2O2 for a lot of years and are in great health. So, do your study, do what you feel comfortable with, and Best of Health to You! I Bless You and Bless You with All Good, Zell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Some of these cautions were also posed a while back by dr. Donsbach, who then suggested the use of oral mag. peroxide as a comperable substitute for h2o2 that wouldn't have any negative side effects. > Patty, > > ly, this is the first I have heard of anyone believable saying > something negative about H2O2 ingestion. When I was on the oxylist I > remember a lot of discussion about drinking H2O2, and a lot of posts > by Dr. Bormann, whom I respect. But, this position of hers is possibly > a new one, since her post on the subject was made in June of this > year. > > I would now recommend anyone taking H2O2 orally to check this out in > the oxytherapy FAQs. I found it just by going to the FAQs for drinking > peroxide. Definitely food for thought! > > jim > > Patty wrote: > > > Go to www.oxytherapy.com and check out their info pages. They have > > > FAQs on all oxidative therapies. > > > > There are cautions all over the place on that website about taking > > H202 internally. Stuff about hurting the mucous membranes in the > > gut and stomach. What do you all think about that? Do the benefits > > far outweigh the risks? Patty > -- > " Coming events cast their shadows before. " -- > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and > other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find > here are for information and research purposes only. We are people > sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you > do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common > sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By > joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR > yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a > medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care > provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the > following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON > & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal > mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2000 Report Share Posted September 14, 2000 Hi All, I am confused and being no chemist I wonder about Dr. Bormann's concern regarding damage from hydrogen. Is there a different bond in H202 than in H20? Otherwise wouldn't the hydrogen in peroxide be about the same as the hydrogen in water????? Lash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2000 Report Share Posted September 19, 2000 You can get 35% H2O2 in bulk here: http://www.braztec.com/ jim soulwoman1@... wrote: > > I found several different places that sell 35% Food Grade HP. Where > is the best place to buy this stuff??? ----- For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong -- H.L. Mencken jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new cells. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 , To say it is toxic is an uninformed mindset. Naturally, it will oxidize anything, and new cells in an open wound are too fragile. You're beter off putting Willard Water on wounds like that. jim wrote: > > When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to > stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be > discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about > hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it > keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new > cells. J. > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 From my experience, Vit O, has the opposite effect. It will stop bleeding almost instantly and heals things really fast. Donna Subject: Re: Hydrogen Peroxide When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new cells. J. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 >>You're better off putting Willard Water on wounds like that. You mean after any germs are killed off or before? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 I have a bottle of Bio-line catalyst water that is at least 15 years old. Are you familiar with it? I think it is related to Willard water. Do you think it is safe to use? Thanks, Phyllis Re: Hydrogen Peroxide , To say it is toxic is an uninformed mindset. Naturally, it will oxidize anything, and new cells in an open wound are too fragile. You're beter off putting Willard Water on wounds like that. jim wrote: > > When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to > stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be > discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about > hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it > keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new > cells. J. > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 Depends what it needs cleaning from. Willard Water is said to have a tiny amount of peroxide, which would explain some of the things it does. But, disinfect first if you wish. On burns, spray only Willard Water, unless you use lavender oil first. jim wrote: > > >>You're better off putting Willard Water on wounds like that. > > You mean after any germs are killed off or before? J. ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 hfreeman wrote: > > I have a bottle of Bio-line catalyst water that is at least 15 years old. > Are you familiar with it? I think it is related to Willard water. Do you think it is safe to use? Hi Phyllis, The original Bio-Line formula was apparently Willard Water and users had great success with it. At some point in the mid to late 80s Bio Line sneakily changed (cheapened) the formula without telling distributors or users. It did not take long for the users to have all their problems return. Within a couple of years Bio-Line was out of business for good. If you have the original formula (there's really no way of telling) you might get some results, but if it were me-----I'd toss it! Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 Vit O is one of the forms of stabilized oxygen, indeed. Ronen. Re: Hydrogen Peroxide When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new cells. J. OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 From my humble experience: 1. H2O2 DOES oxidizes everything it contacts. 2. Best way to heal abrasions lacerations etc. is washing with negative magnetized water, and then applying 1/4 a glass of negative magnetized water with 20 to 30 drops of stabilized oxygen to the wound. Repeating that several times immediately stops blood, and heals wound. Continuous consumption of 5 times daily 1/2 a glass of negative magnetized water and 15 to 25 drops of stabilized oxygen causes the wound to heal completely, and very fast. No side effects in over 100 people I personally treated. Day-time, night-time and meridian energizing will further assist in complete healing. These last three are very good for a wide range of situations. Ronen. Re: Hydrogen Peroxide , To say it is toxic is an uninformed mindset. Naturally, it will oxidize anything, and new cells in an open wound are too fragile. You're beter off putting Willard Water on wounds like that. jim wrote: > > When my daughter used hydrogen peroxide on her hidradenitis it seemed to > stop it from getting larger, but it kept the wound open, so it had to be > discontinued to heal up. I was talking to a wound care specialist about > hydrogen peroxide and she said the same thing (unprovoked by me) that it > keeps wounds open. I asked why and she said that it is toxic to new > cells. J. > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 & List With all the talk and use of " 3% h202 " I had to refer to my notes taken a few years back because the web-page has been removed for a little more than two years now. The following ingredients are in 3% only. 1. Phenol 2. Acetanilide 3. Sodium Stanate 4. Tetrasodium Phosphate Amongthem I remember that they went on to say that 3% was designed to be an antiseptic for external use only. Food grade 35% doesn't have these ingredients that were referred to as stabilizers. Hope this info helps some one. Best of Health Larry http://Community.webtv.net/Library-Info-/MicroscopicKillers http://Community.webtv.net/Legal-Pages-/OURCONSTITUTIONAL =+ Ecclesiastes: 1. v. 9 Believing Will Get You There....God Bless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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