Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 In a message dated 7/8/2004 1:02:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, rora.dora@... writes: > Has anyone done the flush that > also calls for eating a bowl of berries with heavy whipcream for dinner? > Not sure what additional benefits that's supposed to have, but at least that > part sounds good. :-) Hi Pat, Yes, I've done the berries and cream flush and, for me, it was really successful and easier on the stomach. I say that, because I find it challenging to fast completely. I think the benefits are that the cream acts as a stimulant for the GB, causing it to contract vigorously (in advance of the oil)...and the organic berries (which can be sweetened slightly with honey) are lightweight and also contain lots of goodness (vits/minerals) that may be lost through all the rapid bowel movements (though they may pass through too fast to be of any real help, other than staving off hunger, low blood sugar, etc). I just found I wasn't as drained after my flush, as I would have been had I completely fasted....but that may just be my physical constitution. Here's the flush protocol I used and there is some further explanation of it there: http://www.ghchealth.com/liver-and-gallbladder-flush.html Also, ideally use organic, heavy cream, without carageen (not sure if I spelled that right). Blessings, n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Thanks for your reply Will. <I will say though, that once you see these stones with your own eyeballs (especially if they came out of your own rearend) you will not doubt what they are and where they originated. After 58 years of living I can tell you, there is NEVER NOTHING ELSE ---from the same outlet---- that looks like this!> For now, I'll have to take your word for it, but I do wonder if it could possibly be the olive oil that somehow gets morphed when passing through the body. <One technical problem with your query though is that the ultrasound technology is a mucky, murky shadowy image and not very definitive either way for this condition> When I started my odyssey a few years ago, first ultra sound showed no stones - just the possibility of a small polyp. My PCP wasn't sure of the significance of this, checked with a surgeon friend, and called back and told me he could arrange for this friend to take out my GB. Yeah, right! Consulted with a GE, who didn't think it was anything to worry about. Following year, my health insurance changed for the better. New PCP (someone I like and respect a lot) and consulted with another GE. They did another ultrasound. I was watching while the tech did it, and all of a sudden I saw this huge marble. I thought it was the polyp, but of course it was a stone. But, clearly discernible to the untrained eye. :-) Again, told not to worry about it. Following year, as I mentioned in my original post, the same GE started pushing surgery. He also told me that any discomfort I was feeling was all in my head, as you have no pain with the gall bladder unless you're having an actual attack. Time to find another GE! Saw new one last August, had an endoscopic ultrasound, which confirmed the presence of the stone and mentions a thickening of the GB wall. He also thinks the GB should come out, but wasn't pushing immediate surgery. My case is also complicated by the fact that I have an auto immune disorder - ITP. Essentially, a very low platelet count. I'm afraid I'm not a very compliant patient. :-) Hematologist I consulted (about 10 years ago) wanted to do a splenectomy. Like you, I'm very hesitant to have surgery done which doesn't address the actual problem - in this case, my platelets bind to anti-platelet antibodies and then get destroyed when they pass through the spleen. Spleen isn't the problem - just the only way they know of to get rid of it. Well, it works for about 2/3 of the people who undergo it. And, splenectomies aren't exactly a walk in the park, either. So, I said thanks but no thanks - my spleen and I have become very attached. (I'm not sure who fired who first - stopped off and told my PCP I wanted another hematologist. He wanted to do another bone marrow test and I had the audacity to ask why it was necessary, so he told me I'd better find another doc.) Instead, I've been pretty much coasting with it. (I bruise if you look at me the wrong way, but I can live with that.) I mention all this only because it makes any surgery that much more complicated and one more reason to avoid if at all possible. Especially since I'm afraid they're going to push for a double and try to take both the GB and the spleen. Will probably go for the flush this weekend - in the meantime I'm drinking lots of apple juice and taking some Chinese herbs. But, it would still be nice to know that all the unpleasantness I've read about associated with the flushes, had scientifically paid off for somebody. :-) Sorry for the book! Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Hi Pat, What unpleasantness have you heard? I finished the cleanse the other night for the 3rd time and again felt no pain. The epsom salts are not a walk in the park but for the sake of getting the liver cleaned out It is not a problem. I, to, have problems with my spleen. Not as severe as you though. They have talked about removing it if I want. They say it is up to me at this point so I have opted not to bother. I have it checked avery couple of years or when I feel it getting larger. They test results come back within normal ranges but they can not tell me anything just that I would have to have it removed for them to tell me what is wrong. Most nights if I'm not feeling right It is so large and unbearable I can not sleep. G Murray Pat B wrote: >But, it would still be nice to know that all the unpleasantness I've read >about associated with the flushes, had scientifically paid off for somebody. >:-) > >Sorry for the book! > >Pat > > > > > >Learn more from our experience, over 7.000 liver flush stories: >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=4 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=80 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=100 >http://curezone.com/forums/fd50.asp?f=112 > >Liver Cleanse Recipe: http://CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ > >Liver Flush FAQ: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73 > >Images: >http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/ >http://CureZone.com/image_gallery/intrahepatic_stones/ > >To unsubscribe, send blank e-mail to: gallstones-unsubscribe and then reply to confirmation message! > >To Post message: gallstones >Subscribe: gallstones-subscribe > >Web Sites for more information: >http://CureZone.org >http://www.liverdoctor.com/ >http://www.sensiblehealth.com/ >http://www.cyberpog.com/health/index.htm >http://www.relfe.com/gall_stone_cleanse.html >http://www.cleansingorsurgery.com/ > >Group page: gallstones > >To change your subscription to digest send blank e-mail to: gallstones-digest >To change your subscription to NO-MAIL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-nomail >To change your subscription to NORMAL send blank e-mail to: gallstones-normal >You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! >Have a nice day ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 <What unpleasantness have you heard?> Was reading the FAQ's and there were a couple of reports of perhaps incomplete flushes - fevers, nausea. Then, there have been a couple of people on the list who have mentioned feeling dizzy and out of it for a few days after. And, though I've never tasted Epsom salts, I'm really more worried about getting the oil down. Taste doesn't usually bother me as much as texture. <I, to, have problems with my spleen.> It's rough when they don't know what's causing the problem. Fortunately, ITP doesn't enlarge the spleen. And, in my case, it's not actually the spleen that's the problem. It's simply the organ that gets rid of " old " blood cells - or what it perceives as old. :-) Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 The taste of the oil is very much masked if you freshly sqeeze the grapefruit and use a blender or mixer to have it thoroughly mixed. I drink it very fast all at once with a straw, putting the oil grapefruit concoction at the very back of the throat. Then go lay down. I have never been nauseous from this mixture. I have not had any pain so I concede that whom ever had pain might not have taken the epsom salts at the proper time before hand (or especially afterwards)or may have not fasted the required amount of time ahead of time. G Murray Pat B wrote: ><What unpleasantness have you heard?> > >Was reading the FAQ's and there were a couple of reports of perhaps >incomplete flushes - fevers, nausea. Then, there have been a couple of >people on the list who have mentioned feeling dizzy and out of it for a few >days after. And, though I've never tasted Epsom salts, I'm really more >worried about getting the oil down. Taste doesn't usually bother me as much >as texture. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 <The taste of the oil is very much masked if you freshly sqeeze the grapefruit and use a blender or mixer to have it thoroughly mixed.> Thanks for the info. I'll remember that. Has anyone done the flush that also calls for eating a bowl of berries with heavy whipcream for dinner? Not sure what additional benefits that's supposed to have, but at least that part sounds good. :-) Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 Please send me the info on the cleanse with the berries and whipping cream. I want to try that one! Thanks, Dee ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 In a message dated 7/8/2004 1:47:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, ladybug35@... writes: > Please send me the info on the cleanse with the berries and whipping > cream.I want to try that one! Hi Dee, The berries and cream flush protocol is right on this website. http://www.ghchealth.com/liver-and-gallbladder-flush.html They include the use of their products, but there is also an almost identical one on Curezone ( Kelley Flush) without Oxy-powder, if you decide not to use it. The Kelley flush does, however, encourage the use of PhosFood, which is a similar product to Super Phos-30. http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/kelley.asp You may find the step-by-step instructions on the Global Healing Center's site a little easier to follow. Blessings, n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 I have to give it to you Will you are so refreshingly funny.. I always read your postings. You make sense and cut to the quick with tips on how to cope with our common gallbladder/stone problems. You're a delight to read. Minneapolis sounds like a lovely place. One day I will return to that lovely country of yours for a visit. I am an English lady living in the Netherlands By the way I think this forum is fantastic. It keeps my hopes up...even though I haven't yet done a flush..still plucking up the courage. Isabel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2004 Report Share Posted July 8, 2004 In a message dated 7/8/2004 11:53:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, clw1416@... writes: > Did this cure you! How long have you been cured? Hi Dee, Well, from what I understand, the thing about gall and liver stone formation is that once a person starts forming them, it's common to continue to do. So, a permanent cure? Not sure about that, unless the precise cause of their forming is discovered, which is probably unique to each individual, anyway. A holistic approach in combination with flushing is, however, a great way to go. This would include following a consistent regimen of things, including conscious eating and exercise habits, releasing a lifetime of emotional toxicity (that's stuck at cellular memory level), healthful supplements, etc. Will gave a fantastic holistic approach outline of this, several times, in the last few months. What doing this flush has done for me, in combo with exercise (walking and pilates), diet and supplements, was to halt the biliary colic (waves of intense pain radiating from under my right ribcage into my mid back), constant nagging ache under my right ribs, bloating, gas and indigestion, which I was getting almost every day, a few hours after I ate anything. The results of this flush were that I passed numerous stones - gelatinous, pea-sized, green ones and larger, tan stones the size and consistency of lima beans (I think these were calcium stones?). I also passed a ton of gravel and a whitish lard-like substance that looked like curds, or cottage cheese. Sorry to be so graphic, but results are what we're here for, I suppose! LOL Side-benefits I hadn't expected have been that it has become easier to lose weight (not fast like when I was young, but better than nothing!), hormonal water retention, bloating and debilitating pms is pretty much gone, hormonal migraines have greatly decreased, light depression has lifted, more energy, more mental clarity and just an overall feeling of well-being. I haven't repeated the flush since March, as I had intended, because of timings with family stuff and work, but if I had been in pain still, I probably would have been more diligent about that. So, I plan on doing another flush when my kids are away on holiday with their friends this summer. I am finding that daily use of the Oxy-powder for my IBS has also reduced the back-up that I think contributed to GB sluggishness. I also make sure to include lots of olive and ground flax seeds and oil in my daily diet. So, my first flush worked to relieve my symptoms and then some! I was scared and naturally questioning whether it would do any good, beforehand, but the proof of the pudding was in the eating, so to speak. It got to the point where I either faced the butcher's knife, or found courage to flush. I decided if I had the courage to undergo the knife, then flushing would be a breeze in comparison. I also experienced no pain or nausea on flushing and slept right through the night. Just felt somewhat drained and dehydrated the next day, but drinking lots of pure water and eating light cured that. All the best, Dee. Hope my story helps with whatever you're pondering! n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 --- Pat B <rora.dora@...> wrote: > <The taste of the oil is very much masked if you > freshly sqeeze the > grapefruit and use a blender or mixer to have it > thoroughly mixed.> > > Thanks for the info. I'll remember that. Has > anyone done the flush that > also calls for eating a bowl of berries with heavy > whipcream for dinner? > Not sure what additional benefits that's supposed to > have, but at least that > part sounds good. :-) > Pat I have done it, but prefer not to, as all that comes out in the morning when I'd prefer to just be passing stones without all the other goodies...like berries :-) ===== L. Meydrech, CN http://nutritionist.tripod.com HerBulletin FREE Health Analysis: http://www.mynsp.com/web/meydrech/healthAnalyzer.jsp mailto:journey2health@... " A cheerful heart is good medicine " Prov. 17:22a ****************** Accept Credit Card Payments ~ Safe, Reliable https://www.paypal.com/us/mrb/pal=WCJNLUACA9ACJ ****************** __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 In a message dated 7/10/2004 1:07:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, journey2health@... writes: > I have done it, but prefer not to, as all that comes > out in the morning when I'd prefer to just be passing > stones without all the other goodies...like berries :-) > Hi , I think it was Pat who asked what the benefits of eating the berries might be...I wondered if, for people who feel a little wiped from the flush, if the potassium, vit C and other goodies in them might be a little mid-flush " pick-me-up " ? Although, the berries went through my system so quickly on the night of the flush - within an hour - that perhaps this wouldn't necessarily be the case without enough absorption time? What do you think? Blessings, n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 In a message dated 7/10/2004 11:47:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, journey2health@... writes: > I am sure you are right, it gives some form of > nutrition. But also, we are getting vitamins > from the lemon or grapefruit, and from the > olive oil, etc., however, we are also flushing > out as fast as it goes in as you say. The > flush is meant to be something done as a remedy, > does take a lot, including some minerals, > etc., but it is a fairly quick cleanse and these > can be restored by eating the following day. > Thanks, . I wondered about that - the fast passage and not enough time to really absorb the nutrition fully. Funny, I didn't feel nauseous with downing the olive oil and lemon before bed or during the night, at all...but the dinner hour was tough to get through (felt slightly shaky and nauseous) until I had the berries and cream. Perhaps low blood/sugar levels? I guess it's back to just following what feels right to the individual, in the moment, and no doubt each flush will be a different experience. Thanks, again! n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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