Re: Assistance for Tina: kairaepery@...

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thank you so much ed, i will reply in all CAPS.

> I have experienced ongoing 24/7 all body/generalized itching and it is

maddening, no doubts. However, you need to realize you cannot cheat

whatsoever.

HOW LONG DID THIS INSANE ITCH LAST? YIKES MADDENING IS NOT EVEN WORDS ENOUGH,

SORT OF ALL OVER PICKY ITCHES WITH NOW HIVES THAT BROKE OOUT RECENTLY TOO.

I know I couldn't or my recovery/healing progress slowed or even halted when I

was treating my similar situation, before I discovered Bee's program. However,

I coincidentally used a lot of what Bee recommends ,but more refined. And it

succeeded. In example , I consumed a lot fish, some eggs, vegetables, olive oil

and some butter, but omitted everything else. Most of my food was organic as

well.

SIMILAR FOR ME TOO - JUST HAD TO STOP THE BIT OF FRUIT ID BEEN HAVING

>

> I did this for 6 months straight , no cheats. I started to feel better after

about 2 months and continued to progress The added supplements Bee recommends

might have help me recover ground a little faster , if I had known about them.

Again, I was not as sick as some people,perhaps. People must learn to

realize everyone is sick at different levels, some more extreme than others.

Thus, more are sensitive to healing than others and requiring more nutrients

than others to heal for awhile since they are sicker. But this sometimes comes

with a modification/s I mention later on in this email due to extreme

sensitivities of healing/detox from the abundance of nutrients provided from

certain healthy foods.

>

> Therefore, Tina you need to do the following :

>

> 1) - Take the supplements with your meals and do not dilute them.

DO YOU MEAN THE CAL/MD CITRATES ANF VITC? I PUT THEM IN WATER I THOUGHT WE WERE

SUPPOSED TO?

>

> 2) - Your coconut oil amounts was raised too fast and you need to

> lower it back down to perhaps 1/8 a tsp 3 times/day or perhaps

> even 1 time /day pending reactions. Try these ideas & let us

> know, if it is intolerable.

REALLY AGAIN I WENT TOO FAST? WHEN I GO UP TO SAY 1/8 TSP TO 1/4 AND HOLD FOR

4-5 DAYS, IS THAT JUST ONE OG THE 3 SERVINGS? I JUST SWITCHED ALL 3 OF MY DAILY

DOSES TO 1/4 TSP ONCE I GOT UP TO 1/8 TSP FOR ABOUT 4 -5 DAYS, THEN THE ITCHES

STARTED TO INTENSIFY DAILY.

>

> 3) - Cheats must be non existent for period of time for you to

> progress i.e 3-6 months. Due to, you are probably more on the

> extreme end of the sickness spectrum.

YES I SEE. I DO ONLY HAVE ORG SEA SALT CHIPS ONCE IN AWHILE, I CANNOT TOLERATE

ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY.

>

> 4) - Tina, you need to realize its necessary to steadily take the

> Celtic Sea Salt due to the vital minerals needed for overall

> health. Physical and mental health.

YES THIS I TAKE RELIGIOUSLY DAILY.

>

> 5) - Tina also importantly understand, nobody can avoid all healing

> and detox reactions. One must tolerate some discomfort to heal.

> Sorry, no exceptions here. Like everything, Health has a Price! YES I

KNOW BUT MINE INTENSIFIES AND GROWS AND NEVER EVENS OUT!

>

> 6) - Tina, you should try to focus on consuming organic meats ,

> vegetables ..etc until advanced more in your healing and

> health; where possible. Since conventional meats and foods

> will just add to your present toxic load; due to your high

> particular level of ill health. Thus, making your body work

> harder to heal.

YES, I HAVE ONLY A BIT OF ORGANIC B/C OF THE COST, I CAN BARELY AFFORD THE FOOD

I NEED, BUT WILL TRY TO GET MORE ORGANIC. I MEAN $9 FOR A CAULIFLOWER, SAME FOR

CABBAGE, AND MEATS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE - ITS NOT FAIR!

>

>

> Moreover, Tina, I advise you take lukewarm showers/baths rather than hot

ones. Since, in my experience hot water irritates itching. Which is one of

your major complaints.

>

> Also you probably should remove the usage of conventional cosmetics, hygiene

products, household cleaning products and consider natural sources in these

areas. Since these can definitely contribute to itching symptoms and overall

increased ill health.

I HAVE DONE THIS 2.5 YRS AGO WHEN I FIRST BECAME ILL.

>

> However, because some people are so sick , good foods i.e coconut oil can

provide such a high nutrients for them , that they are unable to tolerate the

healing or detox reactions. Even on the smallest amounts. And thus sometimes

must be temporarily omitted , even on the smallest amounts , until their health

has advanced

> further along. This might be what you,Tina, may have to do with " Coconut

Oil " , if you still react badly to the modified 1/8 tsp of coconut oil. Do

let us know how that modification works for you !

>

> I've seen this same sensitivity in other individuals with butter , in example.

This temporary sensitivity can be perceived as allergy reactions by mainstream

medicine, although incorrect.

>

> Furthermore, its similar to Bee, when she was unwell and could only tolerate 9

foods ! This is why I believe extremely sick people sometimes on group need to

be observed according to their complaints with the program and have mildly

modified individual diets i.e omitting coconut oil , butter ..etc temporarily ,

until their health advances, to avoid frustration and diverting from the program

due to these extreme sensitivities from healing/detox reactions.

>

> Anyhow, Bee and everyone this is my perspective to you,Tina, and members now

or in the future that are similar in situation/problem.

>

> In Solidarity,

> Ed

> group moderator

>

THANK YOU FOR YOUR RELIES ED AND BEE, HUGS.

TINA

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>

> thank you so much ed, i will reply in all CAPS.

>

> > I have experienced ongoing 24/7 all body/generalized itching and it is

maddening, no doubts. However, you need to realize you cannot cheat

whatsoever.

> HOW LONG DID THIS INSANE ITCH LAST? YIKES MADDENING IS NOT EVEN WORDS ENOUGH,

SORT OF ALL OVER PICKY ITCHES WITH NOW HIVES THAT BROKE OOUT RECENTLY TOO.

>

@@ SNIP

> >

> > I've seen this same sensitivity in other individuals with butter , in

example. This temporary sensitivity can be perceived as allergy reactions by

mainstream medicine, although incorrect.

> >

> > Furthermore, its similar to Bee, when she was unwell and could only tolerate

9 foods ! This is why I believe extremely sick people sometimes on group need

to be observed according to their complaints with the program and have mildly

modified individual diets i.e omitting coconut oil , butter ..etc temporarily ,

until their health advances, to avoid frustration and diverting from the program

due to these extreme sensitivities from healing/detox reactions.

> >

> > Anyhow, Bee and everyone this is my perspective to you,Tina, and members now

or in the future that are similar in situation/problem.

> >

> > In Solidarity,

> > Ed

> > group moderator

> >

@@ Snip

@@ Hi Tina,

First, just in case you are unaware, using CAPS is considered yelling & rude on

the internet. Otherwise, no worries.

> HOW LONG DID THIS INSANE ITCH LAST? YIKES MADDENING IS NOT EVEN WORDS ENOUGH,

SORT OF ALL OVER PICKY ITCHES WITH NOW HIVES THAT BROKE OOUT RECENTLY TOO.

@@ Agreed, albeit, Maddening/insane equals same results ;] Nonetheless, until I

was able to compose & initiate a proper clean diet and commit, I endured this

itch symptom for over 2 months ,24/7. Which meant sleeping every 3 days for

1-2 hours when my body would crash. Had rashes too. Plus other symptoms

> SIMILAR FOR ME TOO - JUST HAD TO STOP THE BIT OF FRUIT ID BEEN HAVING

@@ True. Good call. I had no fruit neither. Fructose is handled by the liver

rather than the pancreas. And one wants to never add unneeded burden to the

liver when extremely unwell.

> > 1) - Take the supplements with your meals and do not dilute them.

> DO YOU MEAN THE CAL/MD CITRATES ANF VITC? I PUT THEM IN WATER I THOUGHT WE

WERE SUPPOSED TO?

@@ I advise never put Calcium/Magnesium citrate, Vitamin C or any supplements in

water/fluids. Swallow them separate followed by a sip of water ; before,during

or after meals.

> REALLY AGAIN I WENT TOO FAST? WHEN I GO UP TO SAY 1/8 TSP TO 1/4 AND HOLD FOR

4-5 DAYS, IS THAT JUST ONE OG THE 3 SERVINGS? I JUST SWITCHED ALL 3 OF MY DAILY

DOSES TO 1/4 TSP ONCE I GOT UP TO 1/8 TSP FOR ABOUT 4 -5 DAYS, THEN THE ITCHES

STARTED TO INTENSIFY DAILY.

@@ Hold the coconut oil dose at 1/8 tsp for a month and then try to increase to

1/4 and see how you feel then. Since 1/8 tsp seems tolerable for you at

present.

> YES I SEE. I DO ONLY HAVE ORG SEA SALT CHIPS ONCE IN AWHILE, I CANNOT

TOLERATE ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY.

@@ That's a good start. However, even that cheat in your sensitive state at

present, can set you back some, compared to other people, perhaps, not as unwell

as yourself. Work towards 3 months without any cheats.

> YES, I HAVE ONLY A BIT OF ORGANIC B/C OF THE COST, I CAN BARELY AFFORD THE

FOOD I NEED, BUT WILL TRY TO GET MORE ORGANIC. I MEAN $9 FOR A CAULIFLOWER,

SAME FOR CABBAGE, AND MEATS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE - ITS NOT FAIR

@@ Tina, yeah, the economy is a mess. Okay ,no worries, its doable.

Just buy your eggs organic. If you can afford unsalted butter organic that's

good too, if not, just ensure its unsalted. The vegetables can be from the

regular market just ensure you cook them to ensure absorption of nutrients and

less energy & burden on your digestion. The rest of the food can be from the

regular market and you will be find. The nutrient value maybe a little lower.

However, you will heal & progress. Many are in your financial shoes and still

do well. As shall you.

> THANK YOU FOR YOUR RELIES ED AND BEE, HUGS.

> TINA

You are very welcome, Tina.

Journey onwards,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

Yes, all caps really annoy me but I have a broken arm and have new physiotherapy

braces that make it impossible to use my left arm while in the brace,

I figured caps was easiest to differentiate, and I don't see a bold button, so

just wanted to separate our comments w/o having to use my left hand!

For me the itchy stining under my skin mostly is when taking the evco, and once

I get up a bit too high.

Okay I will definitely try that 1/8 tsp for a month.

now do you mean 3x per day or just once per day?

The cal and mg citrate powders says that it must be diluted in water on the

bottle, or maybe this is for the vit c ascorbic acid, at any rate, they all say

to add to liquid - the powder would burn my throat/esophagus. Are you

suggesting to just put on food?

I know the vit c ascorbate shouldn't go on hot food as it looses potency in

heat..? Not sure how else to take it?

I bought the powdered versions recommended by Bee, and this was good for me

since I cannot swallow pills.

I haven't really 'cheated' for couple of years, b/c due to reactions and feeling

unwell, I had already cut out all grains, sugar for years and severeal other

foods, even sweeter squashes b/c they made my head spin. So naturally I had

stopped all these foods long before I found Bee, but I had introduced a few

fruits about 1.5 yrs ago, and b/c i seemed to be tolerating them, I kept eating

them, but have stopped all fruit for about a month now.

It's just everytime I get to taking more evco, the all over picky insane itch

starts up - and doesn't leave unless I stop the evco!

I will restart yet again though after this 2 day break off of it, but I will

start at 1/8 tsp, as you recommend, either per day or 3x per day with meals.

I like that you say you 'had' rashes and other sx, so this must mean that they

have gone now??

could you elaborate on your other symptoms if it's not too much trouble?

Tina

>

I endured this itch symptom for over 2 months ,24/7. Which meant sleeping

every 3 days for 1-2 hours when my body would crash. Had rashes too. Plus other

symptoms

>

> > SIMILAR FOR ME TOO - JUST HAD TO STOP THE BIT OF FRUIT ID BEEN HAVING

>

> @@ True. Good call. I had no fruit neither. Fructose is handled by the liver

rather than the pancreas. And one wants to never add unneeded burden to the

liver when extremely unwell.

>

> > > 1) - Take the supplements with your meals and do not dilute them.

> > DO YOU MEAN THE CAL/MD CITRATES ANF VITC? I PUT THEM IN WATER I THOUGHT WE

WERE SUPPOSED TO?

>

> @@ I advise never put Calcium/Magnesium citrate, Vitamin C or any supplements

in water/fluids. Swallow them separate followed by a sip of water ;

before,during or after meals.

>

> > REALLY AGAIN I WENT TOO FAST? WHEN I GO UP TO SAY 1/8 TSP TO 1/4 AND HOLD

FOR 4-5 DAYS, IS THAT JUST ONE OG THE 3 SERVINGS? I JUST SWITCHED ALL 3 OF MY

DAILY DOSES TO 1/4 TSP ONCE I GOT UP TO 1/8 TSP FOR ABOUT 4 -5 DAYS, THEN THE

ITCHES STARTED TO INTENSIFY DAILY.

>

> @@ Hold the coconut oil dose at 1/8 tsp for a month and then try to increase

to 1/4 and see how you feel then. Since 1/8 tsp seems tolerable for you at

present.

>

> > YES I SEE. I DO ONLY HAVE ORG SEA SALT CHIPS ONCE IN AWHILE, I CANNOT

TOLERATE ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY.

>

> @@ That's a good start. However, even that cheat in your sensitive state at

present, can set you back some, compared to other people, perhaps, not as unwell

as yourself. Work towards 3 months without any cheats.

>

> > YES, I HAVE ONLY A BIT OF ORGANIC B/C OF THE COST, I CAN BARELY AFFORD THE

FOOD I NEED, BUT WILL TRY TO GET MORE ORGANIC. I MEAN $9 FOR A CAULIFLOWER,

SAME FOR CABBAGE, AND MEATS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE - ITS NOT FAIR

>

> @@ Tina, yeah, the economy is a mess. Okay ,no worries, its doable.

> Just buy your eggs organic. If you can afford unsalted butter organic that's

good too, if not, just ensure its unsalted. The vegetables can be from the

regular market just ensure you cook them to ensure absorption of nutrients and

less energy & burden on your digestion. The rest of the food can be from the

regular market and you will be find. The nutrient value maybe a little lower.

However, you will heal & progress. Many are in your financial shoes and still

do well. As shall you.

>

> > THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLIES ED AND BEE, HUGS.

> > TINA

>

> You are very welcome, Tina.

>

> Journey onwards,

> Ed

> group moderator

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, all caps really annoy me but I have a broken arm and have new

physiotherapy braces that make it impossible to use my left arm while in the

brace,

> I figured caps was easiest to differentiate, and I don't see a bold button, so

just wanted to separate our comments w/o having to use my left hand!

+++Hi Tina,

When did you break your arm, and did you take any drugs like pain killers,

antibiotics, etc. when you had it set?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Yes Bee, broke it 4 months ago now.. I cried and feared the surgery to put in

metal and screws b/c I told them I could not tolerate drugs. As a result, I did

not take much of the hydromorphone, made me ill anyway, like very dizzy and

wired and as if poisoned, but b/c of pain took it for about 1.5 days at lower

dose.

They did put me to sleep, though I asked to be just frozen.

They did not give me sedatives and I took a bit of plain tylenol after but only

up to 3 days.

I just took as much pain as I could.

But I was not well after and felt very poisoned for weeks, then found you.

Sure, I'd already been ill, having 'reactions' when I ate that grew worse and

worse since 2.5 yrs when I suddenly got very ill and my health changed.

I hope it doesn't take long for those drugs to leave my system.

Do the toxins overload the liver? I just get such diffuse itchy burning picking

and maddening feelings inside.

I want to have the metal plate and screws removed but still have to wait a

couple of months before they will, and I've told them only to freeze/block my

arm, so I'll be awake and unsedated. not looking forward to it, but just didn't

want anymore foreign objects in my body!

Tina

> +++Hi Tina,

> When did you break your arm, and did you take any drugs like pain killers,

antibiotics, etc. when you had it set?

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes Bee, broke it 4 months ago now.. I cried and feared the surgery to put in

metal and screws b/c I told them I could not tolerate drugs. As a result, I did

not take much of the hydromorphone, made me ill anyway, like very dizzy and

wired and as if poisoned, but b/c of pain took it for about 1.5 days at lower

dose.

> They did put me to sleep, though I asked to be just frozen.

> They did not give me sedatives and I took a bit of plain tylenol after but

only up to 3 days.

> I just took as much pain as I could.

> But I was not well after and felt very poisoned for weeks, then found you.

Sure, I'd already been ill, having 'reactions' when I ate that grew worse and

worse since 2.5 yrs when I suddenly got very ill and my health changed.

>

> I hope it doesn't take long for those drugs to leave my system.

> Do the toxins overload the liver? I just get such diffuse itchy burning

picking and maddening feelings inside.

>

> I want to have the metal plate and screws removed but still have to wait a

couple of months before they will, and I've told them only to freeze/block my

arm, so I'll be awake and unsedated. not looking forward to it, but just didn't

want anymore foreign objects in my body!

+++Hi Tina,

Sorry, but I don't recall that you wrote to us about breaking your arm. That is

one of the major reasons you got such severe reactions, i.e. itching burning,

prickly sensation, etc. when you started on my program.

Yes, toxins can overload your liver, so that's why you should do coffee enemas

as recommended, which also helps the rest of your body get rid of toxins.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Oh Thank you Bee, I think I mentioned it in my first 1 or 2 emails, you had

suggested that your program will help it heal up.

But yes, I felt bad before the arm breaking and worse after after the shock,

stress and meds which I tried to avoid as much as possible.

So at least there's an explaination my my severe suffering! The hives have

stopped since I stopped evco again, as it was suggested again that I went up too

fast, from 1/8 tsp to 1/4 tsp.

Bee, when we increase, to the next level of evco, should we be changing only one

of the doses (out of 3x per day) holding, then increasing the next after 4-5

days and so forth?

Since getting the hives and intolerable itch inside again, like in my body, I

stopped evco for about 6 days now. It is easing a bit, but I've been slammed by

severe seasonal allergies, pounding head, dizzy, sinus type headache, wheezing

(which scares me) and general itching still, but slightly different.

I have had bad allergies in the past, but last year really did not suffer, and

that was great. This is worrying me, and I wonder if it's b/c I already had

lots of histamine from my cleansing/detoxing body, even though I have stopped

the evco for about 6 days now?

Geez we finally have nice weather here in ottawa, as it's been only rain all

spring and cold, and wham the worse allergies I've had in a long time!

Hopefully it's be short lived. Just much harder when one cannot take any

allergy meds to calm it all.

I still take the celtic salt daily, do the diet and try to take the vit c pwdr

and cal/mg citrate. But even those or even plain water lately are causing me to

have severe gut pain and gnawing, since my reactions were getting more and more

about the time I stopped evco, it's been all week with gut pain for hours after

drinking water, or water with vits I just don't get it. I use only small

amounts of the vitc pwdr, cal and mg citrates (about 1/16th tsp) b/c of my

sensitive gut/body I'm building up to bigger doses.

Thanks so much,

Tina

> +++Hi Tina,

>

> Sorry, but I don't recall that you wrote to us about breaking your arm. That

is one of the major reasons you got such severe reactions, i.e. itching burning,

prickly sensation, etc. when you started on my program.

>

> Yes, toxins can overload your liver, so that's why you should do coffee enemas

as recommended, which also helps the rest of your body get rid of toxins.

>

> Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

Yes, just increase one of your doses up to 1/4 tsp and take 1/8 tsp the other

two times. Take that until you feel you can tolerate then increase another one

of your other doses to 1/4 tsp. You can remain at a dose longer than 5 days,

too. 5 days is just a general rule, but it's fine to stay at a dose a little

longer until you feel okay that level before progressing to the dose.

You can still get healing reactions, just by eating the right foods from Bee's

diet, so don't assume that you will only get healing reactions from taking

coconut oil.

Make sure you take your supplements with full meals to make it easier on your

stomach.

Group Moderator

>

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> Bee, when we increase, to the next level of evco, should we be changing only

one of the doses (out of 3x per day) holding, then increasing the next after 4-5

days and so forth?

>

> Since getting the hives and intolerable itch inside again, like in my body, I

stopped evco for about 6 days now. It is easing a bit, but I've been slammed by

severe seasonal allergies, pounding head, dizzy, sinus type headache, wheezing

(which scares me) and general itching still, but slightly different.

> I have had bad allergies in the past, but last year really did not suffer, and

that was great. This is worrying me, and I wonder if it's b/c I already had

lots of histamine from my cleansing/detoxing body, even though I have stopped

the evco for about 6 days now?

<snip>

> I still take the celtic salt daily, do the diet and try to take the vit c pwdr

and cal/mg citrate. But even those or even plain water lately are causing me to

have severe gut pain and gnawing, since my reactions were getting more and more

about the time I stopped evco, it's been all week with gut pain for hours after

drinking water, or water with vits I just don't get it. I use only small

amounts of the vitc pwdr, cal and mg citrates (about 1/16th tsp) b/c of my

sensitive gut/body I'm building up to bigger doses.

> Thanks so much,

> Tina